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  • ashkrik23ashkrik23 Member Posts: 10,809 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    Thank you for not making it weapons offline only.
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  • ussultimatumussultimatum Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    im sure there are already a dozen i hate pvper posts about this already. if the notes never got posted, they wouldn't have noticed a difference.

    Tell them we got it buffed, increasing the damage by 25%.

    Now ride forth and conquer, valiant soldier of balance!
  • organicmanfredorganicmanfred Member Posts: 3,236 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    Hello! I've been on the STO team for a couple of years working in QA. I've got some new responsibilities now with the build making process including posting updates on the forums.

    Welcome to the Forum new guy, and welcome to the World of direct Players Feedback.




    I hope you survive the experience... :D
  • hurleybirdhurleybird Member Posts: 909
    edited August 2013
    Great, now can we please balance TIF and siphon drones? If more of the outlier "I-Win" stuff gets fixed it might actually make me want to play this game again.
  • callen151callen151 Member Posts: 28 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    Well. Im glad i was given this console for free, as you guys have successfully nerfed into uselessness.
  • hurleybirdhurleybird Member Posts: 909
    edited August 2013
    It sounds very useful for controlling alpha strikes. Stop whining.
  • thumpyechothumpyecho Member Posts: 298 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    Hello! I've been on the STO team for a couple of years working in QA. I've got some new responsibilities now with the build making process including posting updates on the forums.

    ....QA?.....

    .....YOU....

    .....You're the guy!!!.....I need talk to you!!!......

    ......Being facetious......:D
  • mosul33mosul33 Member Posts: 836 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    Yeah. Nerfed to uselessness. I was aspecting this since there wasnt any posts like "We are looking into this..." from the devs.
    PvPers ruined it again, as with other stuff, and again a hanfull of ppl decided for the majority :(
    Its starts to be really hard with every nerf to give a sh**t about anything.
    And no feedback was listened here as ppl might think, since not even an idea or a related one was taken into consideration (shorten the whole disable or make it less time for PvP).
  • xlocutusofborgxxlocutusofborgx Member Posts: 1,376 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    Still no romulan clothing clipping fix yet... not surprised.
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  • ussultimatumussultimatum Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    mosul33 wrote: »
    PvPers ruined it again, as with other stuff, and again a hanfull of ppl decided for the majority

    Are you sure you understand these changes?

    Let's review:

    Movement bonus reduced in a way that won't affect PvE.

    Damage INCREASED BY 25% (that means more).

    Disable changed to Weapons offline.

    The difference between disable and weapons offline vs. NPCs is nearly nothing since NPCs have very few powers to use in the first place.


    So, by and large, this was a buff for PvE.

    This is not a joke.
  • chlamidiotchlamidiot Member Posts: 120 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    mosul33 wrote: »
    Yeah. Nerfed to uselessness. I was aspecting this since there wasnt any posts like "We are looking into this..." from the devs.
    PvPers ruined it again, as with other stuff, and again a hanfull of ppl decided for the majority :(
    Its starts to be really hard with every nerf to give a sh**t about anything.
    And no feedback was listened here as ppl might think, since not even an idea or a related one was taken into consideration (shorten the whole disable or make it less time for PvP).

    The disable did next to nothing to PvE enemies. It's actually way more useful now.

    If you disagree please explain how this is a nerf.
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  • naz4naz4 Member Posts: 1,373 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    [*]The flight speed reduction now takes all of a target's resistances into account when calculating the magnitude.

    Could you elaborate on this please....

    What was happening and what is meant to happen?
  • maicake716maicake716 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    mosul33 wrote: »
    Yeah. Nerfed to uselessness. I was aspecting this since there wasnt any posts like "We are looking into this..." from the devs.
    PvPers ruined it again, as with other stuff, and again a hanfull of ppl decided for the majority :(
    Its starts to be really hard with every nerf to give a sh**t about anything.
    And no feedback was listened here as ppl might think, since not even an idea or a related one was taken into consideration (shorten the whole disable or make it less time for PvP).

    actually there was a post in a thread in the pvp forums where he said the dev team was aware and looking into the issue.

    do you pvp?

    no?

    then maybe you should before this change is brought in so you can understand what youre yelling about.


    we didnt ruin anything.

    the console is still just as good if not better in pve, and still useful in pvp wihtout being an instant win.
    mancom wrote: »
    Frankly, I think the only sound advice that one can give new players at this time is to stay away from PVP in STO.
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  • skyranger1414skyranger1414 Member Posts: 1,785 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    How true? and agree with the above. There's always a work around and easy fix. I love PvPs but this just does not make sense. They are complaining about a console when the whole PvP maps are all dead since inception. No single upgrades done from 3 years for PvPs and its the same BORING designs...if they want to complain about something...they should take a look at what is more important rather than making a mountain out a mole...just an observation to keep things in perspective.

    I think you are showing a severe lack of experience when dealing with Cryptic. Its known by most that generally speaking, only recent things get fixed, older bugs and lack of content/maps never are. So it was of paramount importance to get this console re-balanced asap before it became old news and was never touched again by the dev team.

    You need to remember that for Cryptic the live server is where the QA process happens, and before you think i'm making a mountain out of a mole hill, keep in mind that this is the same dev team that routinely releases ships with mayor bugs. Often game breaking bugs. Need an example? Recall the Kumari launch fiasco? Want a more recent example? The Monbosh somehow managed to keep its cloak from its KDF battlecruiser design base.
  • bones1970bones1970 Member Posts: 953 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    They have a system on the ground that weapons do less damage to players (less hold,ect)
    Why don't they use a system like this in pvp ??
  • poeddudepoeddude Member Posts: 127 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    Fools should have just made the target immune to damage for the duration of the disable if the intent was to only temporarily take someone out of the fight.
  • maicake716maicake716 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    poeddude wrote: »
    Fools should have just made the target immune to damage for the duration of the disable if the intent was to only temporarily take someone out of the fight.

    Then its be useless in pve ;)
    mancom wrote: »
    Frankly, I think the only sound advice that one can give new players at this time is to stay away from PVP in STO.
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    Do you even Science Bro?
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  • skyranger1414skyranger1414 Member Posts: 1,785 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    mosul33 wrote: »
    PvPers ruined it again, as with other stuff, and again a hanfull of ppl decided for the majority :(

    You're welcome. We do our best to keep the game fun and interesting and prevent broken untested things from lingering on the live server. You can send me a few Mill in EC and I'll be sure to pass it out to other, more serious PvPers.... someday...:cool:
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  • toivatoiva Member Posts: 3,276 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    Glad to see these changes.

    Not that they directly affect me, but it's just good to know sense and logic sometimes do prevail... ;)
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    Don't make ARC mandatory! Keep it optional only!
  • themariethemarie Member Posts: 1,055 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    Hello! I've been on the STO team for a couple of years working in QA. I've got some new responsibilities now with the build making process including posting updates on the forums.

    LIES! WE ALL KNOW THIS GAME HAS NO QUALITY ASSURANCE!!! !1!!! ! :D

    Joking aside -- welcome and thank you for the patch notes.



    Now, as for the console -- A mild nerf. Not nearly as bad as what the PVP-whiners were demanding.
  • ikuruyoikuruyo Member Posts: 132 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    Any chance someone could change it from being able to buy 100 medium power cells to 100 large power cells like the patch notes mentioned a couple weeks back?

    Or is this too old and will never be looked at again?
  • marc8219marc8219 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    mosul33 wrote: »
    Yeah. Nerfed to uselessness. I was aspecting this since there wasnt any posts like "We are looking into this..." from the devs.
    PvPers ruined it again, as with other stuff, and again a hanfull of ppl decided for the majority :(
    Its starts to be really hard with every nerf to give a sh**t about anything.
    And no feedback was listened here as ppl might think, since not even an idea or a related one was taken into consideration (shorten the whole disable or make it less time for PvP).

    I doubt PVPers have as much influence as you might think since like you say they are a minority. However if we do, its because most PVPers spend a whole lot more money on this game then your average PVE only player. Who do you think owns most of the bugships and lockbox ships, and paying the bills for this game to be F2P for all of the PVEers. PVP wouldn't even be included in this game if attracting PVPers wouldn't be profitable.

    This console is so cheap now you aren't really even losing out much, and it might be more useful in pve given that it was buffed in other areas even though the disable was nerfed.
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  • kapla1755kapla1755 Member Posts: 1,249
    edited August 2013
    marc8219 wrote: »
    I doubt PVPers have as much influence as you might think since like you say they are a minority. However if we do, its because most PVPers spend a whole lot more money on this game then your average PVE only player. Who do you think owns most of the bugships and lockbox ships, and paying the bills for this game to be F2P for all of the PVEers. PVP wouldn't even be included in this game if attracting PVPers wouldn't be profitable.

    This console is so cheap now you aren't really even losing out much, and it might be more useful in pve given that it was buffed in other areas even though the disable was nerfed.

    So you are saying that the maybe 10-15% of the player base that makes up the PvP community is buying the majority of the Zen, Master keys, and Lockbox shinies that makes the game profitable?
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  • marc8219marc8219 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    kapla1755 wrote: »
    So you are saying that the maybe 10-15% of the player base that makes up the PvP community is buying the majority of the Zen, Master keys, and Lockbox shinies that makes the game profitable?

    I don't have exact numbers but its safe to say PVPers spend money well out of proportion to their percentage of the total population.
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  • kapla1755kapla1755 Member Posts: 1,249
    edited August 2013
    marc8219 wrote: »
    I don't have exact numbers but its safe to say PVPers spend money well out of proportion to their percentage of the total population.

    While I can't disagree that PvPers spend a lot of money to min/max and find their personal best optimum builds for their preferred character/playstyle, the fact that nothing has really been added exclusively to promote or encourage more PvP play would seem to support the fact that regardless of how much the PvP community spends to acquire their gear the majority of the player base who have a more casual PvE playstyle are who the Devs cater to since that is where the money is at. Or the even smaller minority of Alt makers who enjoy making new toons and buying the Lockbox ships, new Lobi consoles, new weapons and have 30+ characters at max level with almost max rep on all. We spend waaay outta proportion to our numbers i'd imagine also. :cool:

    *when was the last time a new PvP map grd or space was introduced?
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  • tripwire690tripwire690 Member Posts: 178 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    Sadly, it's not a completely accurate statement. The console's power description previously said 83.33% when it was actually reducing speeds by closer to 95%, except certain types of equipment and abilities...

    It was standardized to not have those weird edge-cases, and simultaneously reduced to more reasonable figure.

    So... the patch note may make it seem arbitrary, but it was written as such just to avoid additional confusion. And the necessity for explanations exactly like this one...

    I have to say Cryptic continues to come across as unreliable and inaccurate. Everytime you release something its not described properly, it doesn't work properly, its overpowered or worthless. I would've like to have seen more from you since you joined the team. In the orgnanizedpvp channel and frequently these forums. But i don't know the internal politics of your company. What I can tell you Borticus is there are other teams in other games that are doing a much better job of pvp balance and the implementation of new skills than Cryptic. And these constant mistakes you guys continue to make reinforce my lack of faith in Cryptic's ability to appeal to your pvp playerbase. I don't see how you guys still have a job when patch after patch its mistake after mistake. And its quite convenient that once again the true reasoning behind your "fix" isn't related to pvp at all. But PvE.

    This could've been avoided if you guys let us test this stuff before it goes out. Next year is the year of next gen consoles. Next gen games. Plenty of other games who show alot more care with their pvp players. It wouldn't surprise me at all if by that time cryptic grows a consciousness towards their pvp players FINALLY after four years of treating us like wicked step children. It also wouldn't be a surprise at all if that consciousness were to grow from the threat of losing your jobs or alas.... PvE.....once again.
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  • havamhavam Member Posts: 1,735 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    I have to say Cryptic continues to come across as unreliable and inaccurate. Everytime you release something its not described properly, it doesn't work properly, its overpowered or worthless. I would've like to have seen more from you since you joined the team. In the orgnanizedpvp channel and frequently these forums. But i don't know the internal politics of your company. What I can tell you Borticus is there are other teams in other games that are doing a much better job of pvp balance and the implementation of new skills than Cryptic. And these constant mistakes you guys continue to make reinforce my lack of faith in Cryptic's ability to appeal to your pvp playerbase. I don't see how you guys still have a job when patch after patch its mistake after mistake. And its quite convenient that once again the true reasoning behind your "fix" isn't related to pvp at all. But PvE.

    This could've been avoided if you guys let us test this stuff before it goes out. Next year is the year of next gen consoles. Next gen games. Plenty of other games who show alot more care with their pvp players. It wouldn't surprise me at all if by that time cryptic grows a consciousness towards their pvp players FINALLY after four years of treating us like wicked step children. It also wouldn't be a surprise at all if that consciousness were to grow from the threat of losing your jobs or alas.... PvE.....once again.
    what he said ^^

    How come with every release items don't behave as their description indicates, and how come this isn't caught by QnA??? I mean a single use of the ability shows that it doesn't do what it is supposed to be doing, how do they keep missing this?
  • sunfranckssunfrancks Member Posts: 3,925 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    havam wrote: »
    what he said ^^

    How come with every release items don't behave as their description indicates, and how come this isn't caught by QnA??? I mean a single use of the ability shows that it doesn't do what it is supposed to be doing, how do they keep missing this?

    Either the people in QA aren't doing their job properly, Cryptic are not listening to QA, or they know full well it is broken, so release it to make as much money in the short space of time before a planned nerf.

    Either way someone at Cryptic is incompetent... :(
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