Devs already stated that a console port for this game came to within inches of release, but it was shelved due to issues with licencing. So a port already exists, you just can't have it.
Frankly, I don't think technical ability is any barrier for a console release. The game is designed for a mid-range computer and even Battlefield 3 with it's over the top system requirements is running on what is now old hardware on the XBox 360. Hell, STO's requirements are so low that you could probably run it on the Wii-U (which would be quite neat with an LCARS style screen on the touchpad for shield and weapon control! But sadly it'd never happen).
Anyone dreaming about STO getting bumped up to top end graphics on a next-gen console with no graphical glitches is chasing rabbits down a hole though. I'd rather see the game run on PC with most of the glitches removed first. PC users tend to put up with errors a lot more then console users, I can't see Sony or MS being very happy at getting complaints for some of the bugs that slip past QA into this game.
As I recall, it was for the XBOX 360...which is probably as similar to a computer with windows running on it as you're going to get...and even then they needed to port it.
So it's not about the performance of hardware, it's about compatibility with the hardware and the software. This is not a rhetorical question: how similar is the hard-and software on a PS4 to that of a PC?
I don't see why they shouldn't do it, as long as it supports usb keyboard and mouse, then those people who want to use the controller can and those who want to use keyboard and mouse can.
Im just going to add this to this discussion and that will be all.
For those that mention Blacklight Retribution as an MMO of Perfect Worlds being put on the PS4. Yes its going to the PS4 but MMOs carry further designations past just MMO Massive Multiplayer Online game because anything that we play online with other people can be considered this. The further designations would be MMORPG which is a MMO Role Play game. There are MMOFPSs like World of tanks and Blacklight as well as Planetside 2 but thats the thing they are MMO First Person Shooters so that goes along with FPSs being one of the most if not the most popular genre of the Consoles. They dont really put MMORPGs on consoles because its hard to get them to work because of all the controls that are required for them. With that said RTSs which were tried with the Xbox 360 also failed pretty hared because of the requirement for lots of controls.
Its the Subgenre that would keep this game off the consoles. Just because a game on the PC is an MMO doesnt mean that all are the same in which all can be ported to a console and work the same as they would on the PC.
Another aspect is game development. The MMOFPSs that are being ported to the PS4 are still early enough in the development stage for that to be worth while where STO has been out for 3 years already. The other games werent fully released yet.
Devs already stated that a console port for this game came to within inches of release, but it was shelved due to issues with licencing. So a port already exists, you just can't have it.
Imho you can also tell by the simple logic the menus are using, how things are activated, buttons are placed and used, how menus and windows are scaling etc... You could pretty much play the game without using your keyboard. and mouse.
PC, XBOne and PS4 run on x86 processors.
Wii-U, Wii, X360 and PS3 run on PowerPC.
If anything, PC, XBOne and PS4 are more similar to PC then ever (if that article is accurate).
But I thought x86 was 32-bit and x64 was 64-bit making PC run on yet another architecture?
similar CPU's..... but the CPU isn't the whole of the equation... API is a large portion of the porting equation. For example, you can have code written for a "PC" running windows that does not work under a Linux machine (assuming you're not using API virtualization like WINE).
First off lets leave the personal attacks out of the thread please.
Secondly, Champs was slated to have a Xbox 360 release (STO I BELIEVE was in the process of it) but due to last minute things it was shoved to the back burner. You can tell CO was getting there as it has pretty good support for the xbox controller right off the bat. STO not so much hehe.
I know a few friends that play STO fine and dandy with the xbox controller and the keyboard (which can be used with any current and i'm sure next gen console) so it's for sure feasible. The only downside as the world of tanks CEO posted, doing patches on the consoles is a real pain in the tooshy. If they could overcome that then sure i'd welcome people from the consoles to play!
It'd bring in more people which can normally never be a bad thing heh.
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So Everyone always thought MMO's had no future on consoles. Now in addition to Warframe, and Planetside 2 coming to PS4 we also have Blacklight Retribution, which just happens to be a Perfect World Game. So the Question is, will Perfect World be smart enough to bring STO to the next gen console?
P.S. I know I had a thread like this before, but that was when PS4 was first unveiled. Given the MMO's that are coming i think its possible
PC, XBOne and PS4 run on x86 processors.
Wii-U, Wii, X360 and PS3 run on PowerPC.
If anything, PC, XBOne and PS4 are more similar to PC then ever (if that article is accurate).
But I thought x86 was 32-bit and x64 was 64-bit making PC run on yet another architecture?
For now, until PC capabilities leave even the XBOne and PS4 behind in the dust. They're *just now* trying to catch up to old PC specs, and you know how PCs quickly move on in capability.
And that means development and PC versions of titles from cross platform releases being held back. Held back in terms of what a proper PC version can do, because to remain in compliance with cross platform releases, they won't be able to do as much, or options normally available to PC games are not available at all.
The beauty of Consoles is well known and fixed specs. Easier for development, I guess. The horror of Consoles is well known and FIXED specs. No growth and no improvement in capability.
All this, while the PC gaming marches on despite many people proclaiming its death over a decade ago.
For now, until PC capabilities leave even the XBOne and PS4 behind in the dust. They're *just now* trying to catch up to old PC specs, and you know how PCs quickly move on in capability.
And that means development and PC versions of titles from cross platform releases being held back. Held back in terms of what a proper PC version can do, because to remain in compliance with cross platform releases, they won't be able to do as much, or options normally available to PC games are not available at all.
The beauty of Consoles is well known and fixed specs. Easier for development, I guess. The horror of Consoles is well known and FIXED specs. No growth and no improvement in capability.
All this, while the PC gaming marches on despite many people proclaiming its death over a decade ago.
Its easy to claim PC gaming is dead, most titles nowadays are either cross platform or Console exclusive. PC games are fewer in numbers, though more people are making their own games off of existing game engines, even the RTS games that PC's are perfect for are declining. PC Gaming in general is slowly declining, but its far from dead. and while PC gaming continues to to push forward in graphics and stability thats all that the progress it really makes. There hasn't been much innovation and originality in a new PC in ages. Sure there's Windows 8 with touch screen support but everything has touchscreen so its not innovative. To Me PC is Like Colt, pushing the same old tired M16 design with some new update and or discount to keep the Consumer, army or civilian buying. They don't bring any new idea's, any new design or features.
yaaawn. I believe it when small or medium scale indie developers say it, yes.
and its still marketing speak. Which makes it foolish to believe it
read the article and look at the screen shots sure as heck looks like PS3's chained together.
The lab said they did it because it is cheaper than off the shelf components and power efficiency as well.
Its parts of them. Not entire consoles using their own hardware. Nobody in their right mind would try building a super computer only out of gaming consoles. They aren't designed to support that kind of thing
Yeah thats why you don't have the ability to use a contoler... Oh wait you do.
Except thats irrelevant. Any developer would have to do any port with the use of a controller in mind as the main source of input, because that is what most people are using on it and what its designed for
Which is exactly the opposite of what the end result would be
Wrong.
Nope
Sorry but consoles have a hell of alot more teeth now then they used to.
No they don't, and they're all integrated hardware, which has its own common set of problems.
Sure you are, and I'm Obama.
In other words you can't argue against anything I said so you just make up bs. and I am a programmer
Yet you expect us to believe you're a programmer. *Facepalm*
I am
Only a Desktop Can be updated.
Considering how many people upgrade their laptops, I find that line amusing. You may be limited in what you can update with a laptop but you are by no means limited to doing so only with desktops
If it was designed to be a console game it would have started on the console. Just because a game is a first person shooter does not make it a console game.
What are you talking about
How people want to play something has just as much to do with wether or not developers will try to make something work.
No it doesn't. First and foremost is whether something is technically feasible or not. If it isn't than anything else is irrelevant
Fight Fire with fire. If He wanted to make no sense spouting about being black and having cancer then I'll make no sense as well.
Actually you're the one that started it
No One said it would be easy. However it can be done, the PS4 has the specs.
No it doesn't.
Blacklight was released far before the mere mention of PS4. AS I stated before Planetside 2 while being a First Person shooter is alot more demanding then STO.
Actually FPS games are the exact opposite. They are tailor made to be ported to consoles and are well supported for it due to their design and simple interfaces that allow controller use.
You're not a Programmer. Programmers are jumping to work with PS4's software
Not that i've seen. Programmers don't jump ship from PC development to consoles just because something new came out
Also PS4 has an excellent fan.
You'd be surprised how often i've seen people blow their computers up after saying something like that
They become more on par with each generation.
What?
Problems that have been resolved.
Not really, many are still having issues and even if they had bee, just wait till some updates are made graphics wise and require updated drivers. Ever tried messing with drivers and video card hardware on a console? Good luck with that
And Im sure there are plenty that have worked.
Except there aren't. Games are famous for awful controller and other issues caused by being ported. Thats the main reason most people hate ports
Im only allowed to have a laptop. and I dont care to spend $700 on a new one.
Thats not what I asked, nor does it invalidate anything I said there. It also doesn't explain wanting it on a console. You already have it on a laptop
I am NOT allowed to have a Desktop cause my dad believes ignorantly they all use too much power
Alot of them do use alot of power
The article clearly says they used 1760 PS3 consoles in their cluster not parts from the consoles.
In other words it uses parts. You're not going to get some magic super computer from doing nothing more than connecting a bunch of consoles, designed to do nothing but play games, and doing nothing else. They have been using the parts they needed and adding their own. Just because they're in the box doesn't mean the hardware inside is the same
You clearly are an elitist and a troll. I know how technology works. Something you fail to realize. It can be done, the only real issue is the control scheme and the picky Trekkies who have to have everything their way. You're only a troll by pretending to be black and a cancer patient. If you were a cancer patient you wouldn't bring it up in a form, same with being black. All you did was try and pull both the sympathy and race card.
wtf are you talking about. and no there are far more issues than that. this has already been explained to you
Yes but Like Consoles Laptops aren't upgradeable.
Thats a lie and you know it. This was already explained to you
At no point did I say I was unlike any other trekkie, I want it my way.
Then go to burger king. They let you have it your way
Wat?
In other words you spend at least as much on a console as you would on a computer
Its a $400 console, its still cheaper then a $700 laptop to replace my current $300 laptop.
Then there is tax, additional hardware, controllers, oh and lets not forget actually getting a game or two with it. Those are what? $60 each?
Yeah I'm out of here before I bust general devon down to private. This thread went from Hey I want this game on the console to hey let's all make fun of each other and call each other names.
and its still marketing speak. Which makes it foolish to believe it
Its parts of them. Not entire consoles using their own hardware. Nobody in their right mind would try building a super computer only out of gaming consoles. They aren't designed to support that kind of thing
Except thats irrelevant. Any developer would have to do any port with the use of a controller in mind as the main source of input, because that is what most people are using on it and what its designed for
Nope
No they don't, and they're all integrated hardware, which has its own common set of problems.
In other words you can't argue against anything I said so you just make up bs. and I am a programmer You're not a programmer.
I am Nope.
Considering how many people upgrade their laptops, I find that line amusing. You may be limited in what you can update with a laptop but you are by no means limited to doing so only with desktops
Given that most laptops are difficult if not impossible to upgrade, there are a few with limited upgrades in mind but they stretch far few.
What are you talking about What Are you?
No it doesn't. First and foremost is whether something is technically feasible or not. If it isn't than anything else is irrelevant
Actually you're the one that started it Wrong.
No it doesn't. Yup.
Actually FPS games are the exact opposite. They are tailor made to be ported to consoles and are well supported for it due to their design and simple interfaces that allow controller use. uh huh.
Not that i've seen. Programmers don't jump ship from PC development to consoles just because something new came out So The Warframe, PlanetSide and Blacklight Devs aren't excited to work with the Ps4?
You'd be surprised how often i've seen people blow their computers up after saying something like that Wonder how many times it was you.
Not really, many are still having issues and even if they had been, just wait till some updates are made graphics wise and require updated drivers. Ever tried messing with drivers and video card hardware on a console? Good luck with that
Except there aren't. Games are famous for awful controller and other issues caused by being ported. Thats the main reason most people hate ports Funny, DCUO and Defiance work fine on a console, and DCUO isn't a FPS
Thats not what I asked, nor does it invalidate anything I said there. It also doesn't explain wanting it on a console. You already have it on a laptop I'd enjoy it more on a console/
Alot of them do use alot of power Indeed.
In other words it uses parts. You're not going to get some magic super computer from doing nothing more than connecting a bunch of consoles, designed to do nothing but play games, and doing nothing else. They have been using the parts they needed and adding their own. Just because they're in the box doesn't mean the hardware inside is the same An Entire console is not "parts".
wtf are you talking about. and no there are far more issues than that. this has already been explained to you
Thats a lie and you know it. This was already explained to you Already explained to you above.
Then go to burger king. They let you have it your way Pointless smart TRIBBLE comment.
In other words you spend at least as much on a console as you would on a computer Nope.
Then there is tax, additional hardware, controllers, oh and lets not forget actually getting a game or two with it. Those are what? $60 each? Comes with One Controller which is all I need, Plus Since I have playstation Plus I'll get free games for it.
MMOs like Cryptic games don't translate well to consoles. Why? The patching process. Cryptic games like to patch on a weekly basis which is too quick of a turnaround for the patch to go through Sony QA and then to Sony's servers. For this reason alone I am fairly certain we will never ever see STO or Champions or Neverwinter on a console.
i got to say alot you think its soooo easy to just port a game over why are non of you making your own games or mmos ?
to do this you would have to devote man hours and resources money and cryptic can barely fix bug on the pc can barely keep up content for high level sorry as i said before cryptic time money better spent on the platform its on
i got to say alot you think its soooo easy to just port a game over why are non of you making your own games or mmos ?
to do this you would have to devote man hours and resources money and cryptic can barely fix bug on the pc can barely keep up content for high level sorry as i said before cryptic time money better spent on the platform its on
I love how you only pay attention to the first attention to the first sentence, like a true Vulcan.
Obvious Fail troll is obviously failing ^^^^ Calling someone a Vulcan isn't trolling.
Heres a reality check for you little boy My Troll sense's are tingling. P.S. I'm far from a little boy and no doubt older then you.
Not many people like your idea True.
and
not many people like you Not true, there are plenty who like me. You don't know who I am so you know nothing about me.
so go cry to your mummy and daddy and have them give you money to spend so you can feel like you accomplished something in your pathetic little life. More petty insults? How much time do you spend on Youtube? Because you have the mentality of someone who trolls on youtube vidoes. And don't talk about my mom, she deserves better then to be brought up in some flame war.
I think a forum mod should close this thread its becoming a flame war even im being sucked into it O.O
I seriously doubt you have to be sucked into something like this, also read the post a moderator left quoted below:
First off lets leave the personal attacks out of the thread please.
Secondly, Champs was slated to have a Xbox 360 release (STO I BELIEVE was in the process of it) but due to last minute things it was shoved to the back burner. You can tell CO was getting there as it has pretty good support for the xbox controller right off the bat. STO not so much hehe.
I know a few friends that play STO fine and dandy with the xbox controller and the keyboard (which can be used with any current and i'm sure next gen console) so it's for sure feasible. The only downside as the world of tanks CEO posted, doing patches on the consoles is a real pain in the tooshy. If they could overcome that then sure i'd welcome people from the consoles to play!
It'd bring in more people which can normally never be a bad thing heh.
what a very informative and well thought out response. Such a excellent contribution. Even if all you said was yes, it wouldn't have any impact on either side
Theoretically it could be done on the PS4/Xbone/Wii U whatever. But is it really worth it? The graphics will still be glitched and there will still be errors in the game which may increase. It would be unlikely that they would redo the graphics for the game just to suit the console because that would be a huge undertaking for them and if they made a separate server like some people have suggested you'd lose all your progress. So really and truthfully is it worth it? Probably not.
I'd rather see them use their resources to make the game bigger and better rather than just port it over to a console which hasn't been released yet or to MAC or any other environment
Even if they did do it; how to you handle the C Store and regular patches? This was the sticking point that stopped them porting STO and CO over to Xbox 360. That and the whole needing to subscribe to play it via Xbox Live etc. You would also then be unable to get things such as the Red Matter capacitor or anything like that if you were a new player.
You also wouldn't be able to use things like ACT or Teamspeak on a console which for the higher end players is a big deal especially in PvP.
Then of course you've got PWE support (or lack thereof) they are a tiny little group who can't handle the volume of tickets generated by PC users, add X Box/PS issues in there as well and you'll just make a bad situation worse from that point of view.
You clearly already have it on your computer, and you don't have the console (which isn't coming out until Christmas) So I don't really see the big deal. Even if they did decide to do a port, you wouldn't get it straight away and might have to wait a significant amount of time, maybe a year or so certainly not launch.
Seems to be a lot more trouble than it's worth and while there may be people in that camp, they probably don't represent the majority either.
ahh petty insults against console gamers, that makes you look good. I spent $250 on My PS3, which includes a 250 gb hard drive, a Surround sound headset, 2 controllers and a subscription to playstation plus. which has gotten me in total 80 free games or more, games like Sleeping Dogs, Arkham Aslyum, Deus Ex HR ect. Where as my 3 year old Dell Inspiron Laptop cost me $300. A Decent computer that can run STO can cost 4-700, depending on Desktop or Laptop. Plus a Desktop draws lots of power, then there's upgrades ect. so yeah a PC costs more. Stop fooling yourself
This I kind of have to chime in on.
My new laptop, at 1.8GHz AMD Dual-core (Not the newest chip on the block granted), cost me around $320. $70 dollars more than your system. Add in my headphones, external mouse & keyboard, we're up to $340. So $90 more. However, I can always upgrade my optical drive, memory, and hard drive, without doing anything fancy at all. And it wouldn't be all that expensive. Other than maybe the internal hard drive, or a new set of headphones, or controllers, consoles can't be upgraded at all, on the hardware side of things. So, what might cost me maybe $110 or so, to give this thing even more longetivity, you'd have to buy an all new console, costing at least that $250, and probably more like $400 and up.
Now, if you want to think I'm a "PC Elitest", go ahead, you're actually right. However, I know of plenty of people that far prefer using their consoles for gaming, and their PC's for web browsing. And guess what? I'm ok with that too, as they like different things than I do.
Also, in response to another post about "binding multiple controls to one gamepad button, I'd be all against that. It's against the ToS for the PC gamers, as defined under macros, so therefore doing it for the console gamers would be total bs.
And in summation, hardware wise, yes PC's will likely always be superior. However, consoles, and hell, even smart phones are starting to close that gap. Will they ever be exactly as capable? Doubtful. However, for me, a PC will likely always be my primary device for all my "computing" needs. It's what I prefer. However, like my roommate, he prefers his smart phone for some things, his console for others, and his PC for only a narrow range of things.
And one more point, there will ALWAYS be certain styles of games that are going to be better on PC, old example, but take a look at C&C and Red Alert. The PC versions (not sure about the Mac versions) were straight awesome. The console versions, were just painful to look at, and even worse to attempt to control. How a friend of mine did so, I'm not sure, but he liked C&C so much, he went ahead and did it.
Anyway, my 2 cents. And you'll notice, I avoided the whole console-PC gamer mentality conflict, as that's a whole 'nother story all to itself. You're going to find dillrods on either side of this one.
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Its a $400 console, its still cheaper then a $700 laptop to replace my current $300 laptop.
Ok, have to reply to this one too, see my first post. My Sub-$400 laptop runs STO exceedingly well. So either you know nothing of laptop (and PC's in general) Hardware specs, and how to read them. In this case, get a friend who IS knowledgeable about the subject, to go with you to help you pick out your own sub $400 laptop. You'll be pleasantly surprised, laptops have come a long way, in just a decade.
And on everything else, you do come off as kind of a jerk, when anyone tries to point out WHY STO would not work quite as well on the PS4, and I also note, you're not agitating for any XBox version, so while accusing PC users of being elitest to the point of exclusivity, you're doing the same thing.
And since when is having to make a choice a bad thing. You shouldn't be able to get everything in one fell swoop. If you want whatever advantages a certain console gives you, by all means, buy that. If you want a diff console, buy that. If you want the advantages of a laptop, well, I hope you've gotten my point on this. What you're asking for, is kind of like wanting a full-size house, with a huge yard, but also be able to take the thing on the road, to wherever you want, all for the same price. It's just not going to be possible, you have to make a choice somewhere, on what features are the most important to you, and pick what gives that to you. But don't scream "Elitest", to those who point out that some things just can't come with certain other things.
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As I recall, it was for the XBOX 360...which is probably as similar to a computer with windows running on it as you're going to get...and even then they needed to port it.
So it's not about the performance of hardware, it's about compatibility with the hardware and the software. This is not a rhetorical question: how similar is the hard-and software on a PS4 to that of a PC?
PC, XBOne and PS4 run on x86 processors.
Wii-U, Wii, X360 and PS3 run on PowerPC.
If anything, PC, XBOne and PS4 are more similar to PC then ever (if that article is accurate).
But I thought x86 was 32-bit and x64 was 64-bit making PC run on yet another architecture?
Well, Windows NT 3.5 and 4 have native power pc support so it's not like Mcrosoft is unfamiliar with this technology.;)
Then the big question that still remains is what about the OS on PS4?
How different is it?
Problem solved
Deal With it
For those that mention Blacklight Retribution as an MMO of Perfect Worlds being put on the PS4. Yes its going to the PS4 but MMOs carry further designations past just MMO Massive Multiplayer Online game because anything that we play online with other people can be considered this. The further designations would be MMORPG which is a MMO Role Play game. There are MMOFPSs like World of tanks and Blacklight as well as Planetside 2 but thats the thing they are MMO First Person Shooters so that goes along with FPSs being one of the most if not the most popular genre of the Consoles. They dont really put MMORPGs on consoles because its hard to get them to work because of all the controls that are required for them. With that said RTSs which were tried with the Xbox 360 also failed pretty hared because of the requirement for lots of controls.
Its the Subgenre that would keep this game off the consoles. Just because a game on the PC is an MMO doesnt mean that all are the same in which all can be ported to a console and work the same as they would on the PC.
Another aspect is game development. The MMOFPSs that are being ported to the PS4 are still early enough in the development stage for that to be worth while where STO has been out for 3 years already. The other games werent fully released yet.
Imho you can also tell by the simple logic the menus are using, how things are activated, buttons are placed and used, how menus and windows are scaling etc... You could pretty much play the game without using your keyboard. and mouse.
similar CPU's..... but the CPU isn't the whole of the equation... API is a large portion of the porting equation. For example, you can have code written for a "PC" running windows that does not work under a Linux machine (assuming you're not using API virtualization like WINE).
Secondly, Champs was slated to have a Xbox 360 release (STO I BELIEVE was in the process of it) but due to last minute things it was shoved to the back burner. You can tell CO was getting there as it has pretty good support for the xbox controller right off the bat. STO not so much hehe.
I know a few friends that play STO fine and dandy with the xbox controller and the keyboard (which can be used with any current and i'm sure next gen console) so it's for sure feasible. The only downside as the world of tanks CEO posted, doing patches on the consoles is a real pain in the tooshy. If they could overcome that then sure i'd welcome people from the consoles to play!
It'd bring in more people which can normally never be a bad thing heh.
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For now, until PC capabilities leave even the XBOne and PS4 behind in the dust. They're *just now* trying to catch up to old PC specs, and you know how PCs quickly move on in capability.
And that means development and PC versions of titles from cross platform releases being held back. Held back in terms of what a proper PC version can do, because to remain in compliance with cross platform releases, they won't be able to do as much, or options normally available to PC games are not available at all.
The beauty of Consoles is well known and fixed specs. Easier for development, I guess. The horror of Consoles is well known and FIXED specs. No growth and no improvement in capability.
All this, while the PC gaming marches on despite many people proclaiming its death over a decade ago.
Its easy to claim PC gaming is dead, most titles nowadays are either cross platform or Console exclusive. PC games are fewer in numbers, though more people are making their own games off of existing game engines, even the RTS games that PC's are perfect for are declining. PC Gaming in general is slowly declining, but its far from dead. and while PC gaming continues to to push forward in graphics and stability thats all that the progress it really makes. There hasn't been much innovation and originality in a new PC in ages. Sure there's Windows 8 with touch screen support but everything has touchscreen so its not innovative. To Me PC is Like Colt, pushing the same old tired M16 design with some new update and or discount to keep the Consumer, army or civilian buying. They don't bring any new idea's, any new design or features.
and its still marketing speak. Which makes it foolish to believe it
Its parts of them. Not entire consoles using their own hardware. Nobody in their right mind would try building a super computer only out of gaming consoles. They aren't designed to support that kind of thing
Except thats irrelevant. Any developer would have to do any port with the use of a controller in mind as the main source of input, because that is what most people are using on it and what its designed for
Nope
No they don't, and they're all integrated hardware, which has its own common set of problems.
In other words you can't argue against anything I said so you just make up bs. and I am a programmer
I am
Considering how many people upgrade their laptops, I find that line amusing. You may be limited in what you can update with a laptop but you are by no means limited to doing so only with desktops
What are you talking about
No it doesn't. First and foremost is whether something is technically feasible or not. If it isn't than anything else is irrelevant
Actually you're the one that started it
No it doesn't.
Actually FPS games are the exact opposite. They are tailor made to be ported to consoles and are well supported for it due to their design and simple interfaces that allow controller use.
Not that i've seen. Programmers don't jump ship from PC development to consoles just because something new came out
You'd be surprised how often i've seen people blow their computers up after saying something like that
What?
Not really, many are still having issues and even if they had bee, just wait till some updates are made graphics wise and require updated drivers. Ever tried messing with drivers and video card hardware on a console? Good luck with that
Except there aren't. Games are famous for awful controller and other issues caused by being ported. Thats the main reason most people hate ports
Thats not what I asked, nor does it invalidate anything I said there. It also doesn't explain wanting it on a console. You already have it on a laptop
Alot of them do use alot of power
In other words it uses parts. You're not going to get some magic super computer from doing nothing more than connecting a bunch of consoles, designed to do nothing but play games, and doing nothing else. They have been using the parts they needed and adding their own. Just because they're in the box doesn't mean the hardware inside is the same
wtf are you talking about. and no there are far more issues than that. this has already been explained to you
Thats a lie and you know it. This was already explained to you
Then go to burger king. They let you have it your way
In other words you spend at least as much on a console as you would on a computer
Then there is tax, additional hardware, controllers, oh and lets not forget actually getting a game or two with it. Those are what? $60 each?
Welcome to the US Senate
If I can use a Keyboard and mouse on my PS3, I'm pretty damn sure the PS4 can have them attached too.
Communism? The was the politicians are being bought these days I'd say Capitalism is alive and well.
this makes me fell all warm and fuzzy inside
i got to say alot you think its soooo easy to just port a game over why are non of you making your own games or mmos ?
to do this you would have to devote man hours and resources money and cryptic can barely fix bug on the pc can barely keep up content for high level sorry as i said before cryptic time money better spent on the platform its on
system Lord Baal is dead
I love how you only pay attention to the first attention to the first sentence, like a true Vulcan.
Obvious Fail troll is obviously failing ^^^^
Heres a reality check for you little boy
Not many people like your idea
and
not many people like you
so go cry to your mummy and daddy and have them give you money to spend so you can feel like you accomplished something in your pathetic little life.
I think a forum mod should close this thread its becoming a flame war even im being sucked into it O.O
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what a very informative and well thought out response. Such a excellent contribution. Even if all you said was yes, it wouldn't have any impact on either side
I'd rather see them use their resources to make the game bigger and better rather than just port it over to a console which hasn't been released yet or to MAC or any other environment
Even if they did do it; how to you handle the C Store and regular patches? This was the sticking point that stopped them porting STO and CO over to Xbox 360. That and the whole needing to subscribe to play it via Xbox Live etc. You would also then be unable to get things such as the Red Matter capacitor or anything like that if you were a new player.
You also wouldn't be able to use things like ACT or Teamspeak on a console which for the higher end players is a big deal especially in PvP.
Then of course you've got PWE support (or lack thereof) they are a tiny little group who can't handle the volume of tickets generated by PC users, add X Box/PS issues in there as well and you'll just make a bad situation worse from that point of view.
You clearly already have it on your computer, and you don't have the console (which isn't coming out until Christmas) So I don't really see the big deal. Even if they did decide to do a port, you wouldn't get it straight away and might have to wait a significant amount of time, maybe a year or so certainly not launch.
Seems to be a lot more trouble than it's worth and while there may be people in that camp, they probably don't represent the majority either.
This I kind of have to chime in on.
My new laptop, at 1.8GHz AMD Dual-core (Not the newest chip on the block granted), cost me around $320. $70 dollars more than your system. Add in my headphones, external mouse & keyboard, we're up to $340. So $90 more. However, I can always upgrade my optical drive, memory, and hard drive, without doing anything fancy at all. And it wouldn't be all that expensive. Other than maybe the internal hard drive, or a new set of headphones, or controllers, consoles can't be upgraded at all, on the hardware side of things. So, what might cost me maybe $110 or so, to give this thing even more longetivity, you'd have to buy an all new console, costing at least that $250, and probably more like $400 and up.
Now, if you want to think I'm a "PC Elitest", go ahead, you're actually right. However, I know of plenty of people that far prefer using their consoles for gaming, and their PC's for web browsing. And guess what? I'm ok with that too, as they like different things than I do.
Also, in response to another post about "binding multiple controls to one gamepad button, I'd be all against that. It's against the ToS for the PC gamers, as defined under macros, so therefore doing it for the console gamers would be total bs.
And in summation, hardware wise, yes PC's will likely always be superior. However, consoles, and hell, even smart phones are starting to close that gap. Will they ever be exactly as capable? Doubtful. However, for me, a PC will likely always be my primary device for all my "computing" needs. It's what I prefer. However, like my roommate, he prefers his smart phone for some things, his console for others, and his PC for only a narrow range of things.
And one more point, there will ALWAYS be certain styles of games that are going to be better on PC, old example, but take a look at C&C and Red Alert. The PC versions (not sure about the Mac versions) were straight awesome. The console versions, were just painful to look at, and even worse to attempt to control. How a friend of mine did so, I'm not sure, but he liked C&C so much, he went ahead and did it.
Anyway, my 2 cents. And you'll notice, I avoided the whole console-PC gamer mentality conflict, as that's a whole 'nother story all to itself. You're going to find dillrods on either side of this one.
butcher suspect, "What'd you hit me with?"
Temperance Brennan, "A building"
Ok, have to reply to this one too, see my first post. My Sub-$400 laptop runs STO exceedingly well. So either you know nothing of laptop (and PC's in general) Hardware specs, and how to read them. In this case, get a friend who IS knowledgeable about the subject, to go with you to help you pick out your own sub $400 laptop. You'll be pleasantly surprised, laptops have come a long way, in just a decade.
And on everything else, you do come off as kind of a jerk, when anyone tries to point out WHY STO would not work quite as well on the PS4, and I also note, you're not agitating for any XBox version, so while accusing PC users of being elitest to the point of exclusivity, you're doing the same thing.
And since when is having to make a choice a bad thing. You shouldn't be able to get everything in one fell swoop. If you want whatever advantages a certain console gives you, by all means, buy that. If you want a diff console, buy that. If you want the advantages of a laptop, well, I hope you've gotten my point on this. What you're asking for, is kind of like wanting a full-size house, with a huge yard, but also be able to take the thing on the road, to wherever you want, all for the same price. It's just not going to be possible, you have to make a choice somewhere, on what features are the most important to you, and pick what gives that to you. But don't scream "Elitest", to those who point out that some things just can't come with certain other things.
butcher suspect, "What'd you hit me with?"
Temperance Brennan, "A building"