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praxi5
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I just went against a premade (who shall remain unnamed, there's no point in naming and shaming) who used every sort of cheese possible.
I'm talking about:
It was just silly. If you need a full premade chock full of P2W to be any decent, you may need to re-think your strategy. Especially when it's not even a clean 15-0.
That's not fun for anyone.
EDIT: For clarification, this isn't a complaint against Scis or multiple Scis. It's about using P2W, and how that P2W is made exponentially better when you've got multiple Scis backing it. Running multiple Scis is a perfectly legitimate tactic... it's when you add P2W to it that makes it suck.
Sci is fine as it is... a little underpowered, actually, do the the horrid resists making a lot of things useless. I'm looking at you, Tachyon Beam and Tyken's Rift.
I'm talking about:
- 4 Sci Captains + 1 Tac
- 4 Wells + 1 Bug
- Tac + Disperal buffed Nukara Mines
- Multiple Thetas
- Multiple Temporal Inversion Fields
- Multiple Graviton Gens (each at 25+ seconds)
- Multiple AMS
- Scramble with BOff
- Tractor Beam Mines out the wazoo
It was just silly. If you need a full premade chock full of P2W to be any decent, you may need to re-think your strategy. Especially when it's not even a clean 15-0.
That's not fun for anyone.
EDIT: For clarification, this isn't a complaint against Scis or multiple Scis. It's about using P2W, and how that P2W is made exponentially better when you've got multiple Scis backing it. Running multiple Scis is a perfectly legitimate tactic... it's when you add P2W to it that makes it suck.
Sci is fine as it is... a little underpowered, actually, do the the horrid resists making a lot of things useless. I'm looking at you, Tachyon Beam and Tyken's Rift.
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It's poopy when you've got 10+ photonic fleet ships to deal with.
I think I was there as well. Pretty pathetic really. Wasnt fun at all.
(If not I faced them in the queue's tonight.)
I wasnt going to call the P2W jibe due to the fact Id pulled my temporal destroyer out of mothballs to try something out.
However, it wasnt a good fight at all, been like that for the past couple of days too with a lot of fleet teams using stuff that has been mentioned on the forums as being broken, bugged or just generally OP.
I hope they had a fun time looking for us though. The whole team left, I was the last one to go and was only waiting for death.
Cheese is a Premade thing.
RIP Pugs
I dont know if its from photonic fleet thing or from normal fleet support but sometimes theres a galaxy X npc useless but damn resistent.3 escorts spent almost a minute to pop the damn thing ...it was like mirror event in arena lol
Not really saying that Scenario is the best, but more or less making a point. One Gwell is bad, 4 is harsh. 12 spammed by doffs is just OMG... Now as for my point if it wasn't clear, is that Cheese is native to queues, and in perticular to Premades.
Sci has been nerfed hard over the last 2 years - only now is it starting to come back.
Figures it would TRIBBLE off tac players.
Im a Sci
More about premades (some) just outright takin the p**s in the queues.
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2010: This is Cryptic PvP. Please hold the line, your call is very important to us...
DPS in a trinity can't tank... does that apply here.
CC in a trnity can't do DPS... does that apply here.
Tank in a trinity can't do DSP .... does that apply here.
The main issue with balance in this game isn't that its trinity design with broken designers.
Its that it was designed to be trinity and at a some point Cryptics devs forgot what they where doing and threw so much power creep junk out there that. Balance only exists if teams a agree to leave a ton of junk off the field.
Teams that decide to on purples stack broken power creep items is where people start calling cheese. We could all design almost unbeatable teams full of junk... or at least teams so damn annoying to play against that people would rather be off doing something else. Thats the issue described here.
So a taste of your own medicine perhaps?
It is poopy. Especially if they are the meanie tractor beamy kind.
Temporals with the 2 parts temporal-set (temporal inversion field gets incredible anoying with that bonus). And of course 2-3 Graviton pulse 30sec. They can leave complete stunned for almost 2 minutes (im not exaggerating, 2 complete minutes), and you cant do nothing (evasives, omega, epte...nothing work)
Simple solution: ignore those noobs.
Or do a private match banning those things, and they will lose 15-0. No doubt.
no i can't blame them for the game issues, but i can blame them for abuse of those issues. We all know that are things than can be exploited by a premade for ruin the pvp experience, but we chose don't use them because is simple stupid. I don't care if someone use an ams or an scramble doff or a graviton pulse here an there, but that is totaly diferent than an organized premade abusing of those things.
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This is more of a Debate as opposed to QQ... but to each thier own lol. Also I am not the Origional poster, just kinda curious how you get Internet Tears without Internet QQ?
Well said. It for me is hard to ignore getting rofl stomped by a premade since it leaves me feeling weak in the game. Now yes it is my Internet Ego that takes a hit. But one thing would solve all of these problems... A PvP revamp allowing for a Team Queue, and a Pug Queue. Then Premades can not ensure they will group up, so they can not stack their abilites to do that
I have no sympathy for teams that complain about others when they do the same thing but in a different form.
Pandas (at least the premades I've been on) don't do this.
By the way, is there some new exploit that affects beam cruisers? Because five of them spamming romulan beam FAW with DEM certainly does not look like a balanced team to me.
sry praxis no love here either. Kettle calling the pottie black n all.
Just ask them for a rematch, with balance being the best it has been according to your fleet mate, a proper match should help you all have fun and settle the score.
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It was also half pug.
I also agree with him being a s**t match.
Its also where I found out first hand how OP the web mines are and saw a very interesting feedback pulse that destroyed in 2 shots before your volley had even hit the target.
Oh and 3 times damage my left foot. 1 turret and a BKCB does not equate to 15500 hull damage on return.
(Per pulse)
There's no exploit with that, it's perfectly legitimate.
A while back, it wasn't uncommon to see 5-man Cruiser teams spamming FAW with Extends all around. Aux to Batt just makes it all the easier now.
I was pugging.
I honestly don't mind losing 1 bit, but I'd rather it be to skill rather than cheese.
you're prolly fat by now...
here here!
against the rules? naming fleets? when did you grow a conscience about rules panda? take a step back and take a look at the name of your thread and what it is about. it's time for you and binary friends to Nanana hey hey good bye!
the amount of b!tching about pandas in this game is more annoying than any premade with TIF and EWP not being displayed.
The problem is, that in the mentioned match (I had to experience the same as the poster did 2 days ago - I couldn't fly or shoot 80 % of the match) you have no chance to win in a gentlemen/sportsmen style, at least I don't know how. For balancing such a match situation you have to use the same broken stuff = cheese team versus cheese team = no fun at all.
So as I prefer the "honest fun-style": if something similar will happen again I will likely find my "warp out-button", although I really hate doing so.