Actually no, if you make a statement and are asked for evidence you are required to present it or withdraw the statement.
The more you know!
Again, not true. The person who speaks the initial statement is never required to provide evidence. The burden of proof is on the accuser. The person making an accusation of slander or libel has three hurdels to clear before the claim can be legally adjudicated. 1. The statement must be proven false.. 2. The statement must be proven to have caused harm.. 3. The statement must be proven to be made with malice or reckless disregard of the truth.
The first hurdle, that the statement must be proven false, lies with the accuser. It is not the responsibility of the would-be-defamer to defend or provide any evidence.
If you keep up with the rational responses, you're going to have them screaming barely coherent profanity at you while accusing you of being a member of That Fleet.
This, we thank you for your support equinox976. But I would urge you to stop posting before you become a target of the "RP" community and are harassed constantly.
If you continue I would say go in with both eyes open, know that they will try to find you ingame and they won't stop.
Youknowwhatitis...
-Supporter of Cryptic Lockboxes!
I generally dont participate in threads like this, mainly because they go no where fast. But since the topic is a guild I am familar with since my early STO days, I figured I'd share some of their "not trolling".
I think that video alone validates alot of what people say. That said, I am now walking out.
I think the word you want is Defamation." Very simply, defamation is to spread bad reports about someone which could do them harm.You can defame someone if you write or say something about them which spoils their good reputation, which makes people want to avoid them or which hurts them in their work or their profession." Also "In common law, a matter normally has to be false to be defamatory. However, some systems have passed laws (statutes) that truth alone is not a complete defence. And even in common law systems it is the responsibility of the person making the accusation to prove it is true; it is not the responsibility of the victim to prove it is false." Since we're spouting laws.
Again, not true. The person who speaks the initial statement is never required to provide evidence. The burden of proof is on the accuser. The person making an accusation of slander or libel has three hurdels to clear before the claim can be legally adjudicated. 1. The statement must be proven false.. 2. The statement must be proven to have caused harm.. 3. The statement must be proven to be made with malice or reckless disregard of the truth.
The first hurdle, that the statement must be proven false, lies with the accuser. It is not the responsibility of the would-be-defamer to defend or provide any evidence.
Which would be you in this case right? You accused members of a fleet and then continually refused to cite any evidence even when a member of that fleet asked for it.
There are four elements a person must establish in order to prove he or she has been defamed: (1) Publication, (2) Identification, (3) Harm and (4) Fault. Each of the four elements must be proven.
A person must prove that they have been defamed. The burden is NOT on the person speaking to prove their statement accurate.
The accuser is NOT the person making an initial statement- the accuser (plaintiff) is the person making a legal claim of defamation against the defendant. The burden of proof always lies with the accuser- that is, the person making the legal accusation. Not the person speaking freely.
Okay in reference to where the RP's went. I did come across some on Starbase 39. I'm not a roleplayer myself but I was rather impressed with the people engaging in their local "in character" chat, it made the place feel quite alive for a change.
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
"You have not experienced Shakespeare until you have read him in the original Klingon, taH pagh, taH be"
There are four elements a person must establish in order to prove he or she has been defamed: (1) Publication, (2) Identification, (3) Harm and (4) Fault. Each of the four elements must be proven.
A person must prove that they have been defamed. The burden is NOT on the person speaking to prove their statement accurate.
The accuser is NOT the person making an initial statement- the accuser (plaintiff) is the person making a legal claim of defamation against the defendant. The burden of proof always lies with the accuser- that is, the person making the legal accusation. Not the person speaking freely.
Since you obviously can't see passed your own self-righteous words...I said defamation. Which would be the case here on this forum. Which what I said applies to. Please re-read the post I posted for you twice now.
Which would be you in this case right? You accused members of a fleet and then continually refused to cite any evidence even when a member of that fleet asked for it.
No.
What we are doing here is a discussion. There is no legal jurisprudence to this discussion. This is all just open testimony and discussion. There is no burden of proof whatsoever.
Also, I have cited their website and youtube channel as evidence. Your failure to acknowledge that is your own.
What I am referring to is an accusation of defamation. When that accusation is made as a matter of law, the burden of proof lies with the accuser. If the accuser can not prove defamation, clearing all four necessary legal hurdles, the initial speaker's statement is absolutely permissible and lawful.
There are four elements a person must establish in order to prove he or she has been defamed: (1) Publication, (2) Identification, (3) Harm and (4) Fault. Each of the four elements must be proven.
A person must prove that they have been defamed. The burden is NOT on the person speaking to prove their statement accurate.
The accuser is NOT the person making an initial statement- the accuser (plaintiff) is the person making a legal claim of defamation against the defendant. The burden of proof always lies with the accuser- that is, the person making the legal accusation. Not the person speaking freely.
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Originally Posted by franchesica
I think the word you want is Defamation." Very simply, defamation is to spread bad reports about someone which could do them harm.You can defame someone if you write or say something about them which spoils their good reputation, which makes people want to avoid them or which hurts them in their work or their profession." Also "In common law, a matter normally has to be false to be defamatory. However, some systems have passed laws (statutes) that truth alone is not a complete defence. And even in common law systems it is the responsibility of the person making the accusation to prove it is true; it is not the responsibility of the victim to prove it is false." Since we're spouting laws.
Since you seemed to missed this.
Since you obviously can't see passed your own self-righteous words...I said defamation. Which would be the case here on this forum. Which what I said applies to. Please re-read the post I posted for you twice now.
Read.
There are four elements a person must establish in order to prove he or she has been defamed...
If you want to charge defamation. The burden of proof is on YOU, the accuser.
I think you've done a very good troll here. I'm going to let you go so you can bask in the winning glow of your own circular reasoning and misunderstanding of copied and pasted words you found on a website. That are incorrect by the way.
This thread was supposed to be discussing RP after all.
I don't think he understands legal terms. Like how an accusation is a form of statement.
I'm left wondering if you really don't understand the difference between an open discussion and a legal accusation; or if you're just pretending not to out of obstinate refusal to face your own factual deficiency.
There are four elements a person must establish in order to prove he or she has been defamed...
If you want to charge defamation. The burden of proof is on YOU, the accuser.
I have read, and again you obviously haven't. Since you're going to continue to regurgitate the same nonsense over and over (incorrectly) I may add. I'll be on my way with other things to do. However, I'll once more toss you all some kudos for the many laughs I've gotten today. With that, I bid you adieu.
Just so everyone knows, you can't defame an anonymous online avatar lol. Any successful civil suit has to show real damages incurred, not just legal concepts.
This, we thank you for your support equinox976. But I would urge you to stop posting before you become a target of the "RP" community and are harassed constantly.
If you continue I would say go in with both eyes open, know that they will try to find you ingame and they won't stop.
Often it is that I have seen hordes of rp'rs wantonly following or accosting innocent players ingame. :rolleyes:
On the other hand there are a few aforementioned fleets that do that exact thing.
I have read, and again you obviously haven't. Since you're going to continue to regurgitate the same nonsense over and over (incorrectly) I may add. I'll be on my way with other things to do. However, I'll once more toss you all some kudos for the many laughs I've gotten today. With that, I bid you adieu.
"I'm right, You're wrong, I don't need to explain why, and I'm out."
I have to say, I've been terribly impressed by all the role-play that's been happening in orbit over DS9 these past few days. I would like to thank all the participants in our Bajoran Liberation RP, and we look forward to continuing to spread the light of Dear Leader.
I am troubled by the tide of defamatory statements being made about the sons of Dear Leader by so many eRPists and friends of eRPists. However, given character and general illiteracy of those who would treat us so, I am confident that the vast majority of reasonable and logical people will be able to weather this storm of anti-social propaganda and accept fire safety and not molesting children into their hearts.
So you saw two people goofing off and are calling that harassment? Ok.
Not me (had i been there they would have been reported on the spot for Sexual harassment)
They were apparently following her
making suggestive emotes
and impolite comments
its time that ALL Ev suits were disabled in all social maps
ALL SKEV was disabled (extinguishers , party poppers bombs the lot) except in private maps
And ALL Emotes were disabled in Drozana and ESD except in club 47
its time that ALL Ev suits were disabled in all social maps
ALL SKEV was disabled (extinguishers , party poppers bombs the lot) except in private maps
And ALL Emotes were disabled in Drozana and ESD except in club 47
No fun but my fun.
Fascist.
Youknowwhatitis...
-Supporter of Cryptic Lockboxes!
How about just putting like a 2 minute cooldown on the party popper?
I can see disabling the EV suit thing, although that doesn't bother me too much.
And emotes should be left alone. I love emotes.
Unless you submit a 20 page legal discussion to cryptic changing the party poppers will not be changed just because you hate fun.
On a separate topic it's taking quite a while to report ToS breaches. I would rather discuss roleplaying.
For those of you that are reading this thread and unsure of what is going on consider the following. We are the most high profile and space rich roleplaying guild. There are many bitter players posting in this thread upset because we won't let them in. A number of them have failed to make it through our elite roleplaying academy. As such they are upset because they didn't make the grade.
If you believe their outragous and forum rule breaching claims you are gullible. The most bizarre thing is the hate of EV suits. Why exactly would someone hate an EV suit which look cool and make sense while roleplaying in a space environment? What's worse is that people claim we are hacking in pvp when we just fit our ships to dps and tank. We've even been blamed for server queues. You may want to consider who you are listening to given the number of bitter crackpots that we attract.
We will continue to protect our good name and support top tier roleplaying.
Not me (had i been there they would have been reported on the spot for Sexual harassment)
They were apparently following her
making suggestive emotes
and impolite comments
its time that ALL Ev suits were disabled in all social maps
ALL SKEV was disabled (extinguishers , party poppers bombs the lot) except in private maps
And ALL Emotes were disabled in Drozana and ESD except in club 47
In the old drozana, before it was destroyed, it was necessary to wear an EV suit due to the smell. The seats also never seemed to be cleaned (ferengi cost saving).
In the old drozana, before it was destroyed, it was necessary to wear an EV suit due to the smell. The seats also never seemed to be cleaned (ferengi cost saving).
The sheer concentration of... fluids... on every surface required the wearing of Hazmat gear for safety.
Comments
Again, not true. The person who speaks the initial statement is never required to provide evidence. The burden of proof is on the accuser. The person making an accusation of slander or libel has three hurdels to clear before the claim can be legally adjudicated. 1. The statement must be proven false.. 2. The statement must be proven to have caused harm.. 3. The statement must be proven to be made with malice or reckless disregard of the truth.
The first hurdle, that the statement must be proven false, lies with the accuser. It is not the responsibility of the would-be-defamer to defend or provide any evidence.
This, we thank you for your support equinox976. But I would urge you to stop posting before you become a target of the "RP" community and are harassed constantly.
If you continue I would say go in with both eyes open, know that they will try to find you ingame and they won't stop.
You know what it is...
-Supporter of Cryptic Lockboxes!
I think that video alone validates alot of what people say. That said, I am now walking out.
Since you seemed to missed this.
Which would be you in this case right? You accused members of a fleet and then continually refused to cite any evidence even when a member of that fleet asked for it.
http://www.splc.org/knowyourrights/legalresearch.asp?id=27
There are four elements a person must establish in order to prove he or she has been defamed: (1) Publication, (2) Identification, (3) Harm and (4) Fault. Each of the four elements must be proven.
A person must prove that they have been defamed. The burden is NOT on the person speaking to prove their statement accurate.
The accuser is NOT the person making an initial statement- the accuser (plaintiff) is the person making a legal claim of defamation against the defendant. The burden of proof always lies with the accuser- that is, the person making the legal accusation. Not the person speaking freely.
"You have not experienced Shakespeare until you have read him in the original Klingon, taH pagh, taH be"
Since you obviously can't see passed your own self-righteous words...I said defamation. Which would be the case here on this forum. Which what I said applies to. Please re-read the post I posted for you twice now.
No.
What we are doing here is a discussion. There is no legal jurisprudence to this discussion. This is all just open testimony and discussion. There is no burden of proof whatsoever.
Also, I have cited their website and youtube channel as evidence. Your failure to acknowledge that is your own.
What I am referring to is an accusation of defamation. When that accusation is made as a matter of law, the burden of proof lies with the accuser. If the accuser can not prove defamation, clearing all four necessary legal hurdles, the initial speaker's statement is absolutely permissible and lawful.
Quote:
Originally Posted by franchesica
I think the word you want is Defamation." Very simply, defamation is to spread bad reports about someone which could do them harm.You can defame someone if you write or say something about them which spoils their good reputation, which makes people want to avoid them or which hurts them in their work or their profession." Also "In common law, a matter normally has to be false to be defamatory. However, some systems have passed laws (statutes) that truth alone is not a complete defence. And even in common law systems it is the responsibility of the person making the accusation to prove it is true; it is not the responsibility of the victim to prove it is false." Since we're spouting laws.
Since you seemed to missed this.
So you don't have to exert yourself.
Read.
There are four elements a person must establish in order to prove he or she has been defamed...
If you want to charge defamation. The burden of proof is on YOU, the accuser.
This thread was supposed to be discussing RP after all.
I'm left wondering if you really don't understand the difference between an open discussion and a legal accusation; or if you're just pretending not to out of obstinate refusal to face your own factual deficiency.
I have read, and again you obviously haven't. Since you're going to continue to regurgitate the same nonsense over and over (incorrectly) I may add. I'll be on my way with other things to do. However, I'll once more toss you all some kudos for the many laughs I've gotten today. With that, I bid you adieu.
Stop this ridiculousness.
Often it is that I have seen hordes of rp'rs wantonly following or accosting innocent players ingame. :rolleyes:
On the other hand there are a few aforementioned fleets that do that exact thing.
"I'm right, You're wrong, I don't need to explain why, and I'm out."
Got it.
I am troubled by the tide of defamatory statements being made about the sons of Dear Leader by so many eRPists and friends of eRPists. However, given character and general illiteracy of those who would treat us so, I am confident that the vast majority of reasonable and logical people will be able to weather this storm of anti-social propaganda and accept fire safety and not molesting children into their hearts.
Shutup Wesley: First In Everything
Not me (had i been there they would have been reported on the spot for Sexual harassment)
They were apparently following her
making suggestive emotes
and impolite comments
its time that ALL Ev suits were disabled in all social maps
ALL SKEV was disabled (extinguishers , party poppers bombs the lot) except in private maps
And ALL Emotes were disabled in Drozana and ESD except in club 47
No fun but my fun.
Fascist.
You know what it is...
-Supporter of Cryptic Lockboxes!
Shutup Wesley: First In Everything
I can see disabling the EV suit thing, although that doesn't bother me too much.
And emotes should be left alone. I love emotes.
"those who can not control themselves are controlled by society"
FDR (want to call HIM a Fascist?)
As often as possible.
Unless you submit a 20 page legal discussion to cryptic changing the party poppers will not be changed just because you hate fun.
On a separate topic it's taking quite a while to report ToS breaches. I would rather discuss roleplaying.
For those of you that are reading this thread and unsure of what is going on consider the following. We are the most high profile and space rich roleplaying guild. There are many bitter players posting in this thread upset because we won't let them in. A number of them have failed to make it through our elite roleplaying academy. As such they are upset because they didn't make the grade.
If you believe their outragous and forum rule breaching claims you are gullible. The most bizarre thing is the hate of EV suits. Why exactly would someone hate an EV suit which look cool and make sense while roleplaying in a space environment? What's worse is that people claim we are hacking in pvp when we just fit our ships to dps and tank. We've even been blamed for server queues. You may want to consider who you are listening to given the number of bitter crackpots that we attract.
We will continue to protect our good name and support top tier roleplaying.
Were these particular characters Ferengi?
If so that might explain it.
The sheer concentration of... fluids... on every surface required the wearing of Hazmat gear for safety.
Shutup Wesley: First In Everything