In all honesty there's no real reason for party poppers, yet Cryptic has put them in the game. Does this mean you are accusing cryptic of supplying trolls with the means to do their dirty work? Of course not. These items are put in place for fun. To use wherever, whenever. If that wasn't the case, there would be maps you'd be unable to use them. God forbid anyone other then you have fun in any way you don't agree with.
...fun at the expense of someone else's enjoyment or by interrupting they're own activities is griefing and harassment...and by the way seen your name a few times ingame too trolling. :rolleyes:
I RP all the Time but in space. I usually Intimidate the Romulans by jumping in an enemy contact and blowing away what their fighting then they cloak like Im going to attack them being 20+ levels higher. No. I make a statement since my ship is named Section 31 Omega about them being observed. But its funny to watch and I got that cloak seeking console for my torpedoes so it wouldn't help lol. I warp out.
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The Legendary Horka Thane
1999 Tribes 1
Infamous TurreNt Camp ( if you dont know you are not Legendary )
Why is there any doubt about the trolling of the 'toothers'? Their website has tutorials on how to properly grief people, their youtube channel is full of videos of them annoying folks, it's absolutely clear what they're all about.
But that having been said, just ignore them. They are fueled by reaction. Yes, they're a collective group of (insert expletive of your choice)s, but you can't do much else about it. We'd all be much better off if we all minded our business.
In the real world if you accuse somebody of something without evidence to back it up its called slander and sometimes libel (with legal ramifications for both).
Given the technology that is available to everybody with a computer and internet connection (or even a simple screenshot) its quite possible to record everything that is seen, heard and written in the game.
As such, there is absolutely no reason why you would be unable to produce evidence of the negative behavior that you have reported.
I don't know a great deal about star fleet dental, I have seen them around, and even pugged with them on quite a few occasions, and I have never seen anything that constituted bad behavior or 'harassment'.
There is a saying: Put up, or shut up. Produce the evidence or cease in your accusations.
Thats why when ever a complaint is lodged with a GM a screen shot is included...
..and are you threatening legal action on a public forum? Making threats is against the user agreement for these forums. :eek:
...fun at the expense of someone else's enjoyment or by interrupting they're own activities is griefing and harassment...and by the way seen your name a few times ingame too trolling. :rolleyes:
...end of line.
What about my expense? What about my enjoyment? What about those that interrupt me with their constant whining and complaining? I have the same right to enjoy the game as you do, or anyone else for that matter. I used to publicly role play, too. That was until role played turned into a pile of grammatical vomit, and erp was everywhere you looked. You can accuse me of being a troll all you like if it makes you feel good about your accusatory posts toward a group of people you know nothing about. The fact is, your opinion about my persona in an online game means nothing to me. It does not affect my life in the smallest of ways. I play an online game, with a group of awesome friends, and we have a good time.
Thats why when ever a complaint is lodged with a GM a screen shot is included...
..and are you threatening legal action on a public forum? Making threats is against the user agreement for these forums. :eek:
...end of line.
Perhaps you cant read (its certainly beginning to seem that way) if you could quote me exactly where I threatened anybody with legal action I would be grateful.
Again you have failed to produce any kind of evidence, and from every single post you have made in this thread it is abundantly clear that its not starfleet dental that are the trolls. Perhaps a long hard look in the mirror will bring about a revelation for you.
What about my expense? What about my enjoyment? What about those that interrupt me with their constant whining and complaining? I have the same right to enjoy the game as you do, or anyone else for that matter. I used to publicly role play, too. That was until role played turned into a pile of grammatical vomit, and erp was everywhere you looked. You can accuse me of being a troll all you like if it makes you feel good about your accusatory posts toward a group of people you know nothing about. The fact is, your opinion about my persona in an online game means nothing to me. It does not affect my life in the smallest of ways. I play an online game, with a group of awesome friends, and we have a good time.
....End of the line.
Hint: ...take your own medicine and just ignore them.
If anyone is a person who gets their kicks out of sitting behind the anonymity of the internet, and acting with the goal of detracting from the enjoyment of others, they are just a terrible person.
Character is what you do when nobody is looking. If you're a destructive, bullying, annoying, jerk when you're hidden within an anonymous game; those are your true colors coming out. Online activity goes a long way to expose a person's true character, it strips away the confines and social limitations of real life, and allows character to really surface.
If one finds themselves griefing, trolling, or generally destroying the enjoyment of others, in order to achieve their own personal pleasure; they are simply a terrible human being in their heart of hearts. Much pity.
If anyone is a person who gets their kicks out of sitting behind the anonymity of the internet, and acting with the goal of detracting from the enjoyment of others, they are just a terrible person.
Excuse me if I am wrong, but isn't accusing somebody of something on a public forum without a shred of evidence (as it has occurred in this very thread) and hiding behind internet anonymity, exactly what you just described?
In the real world if you accuse somebody of something without evidence to back it up its called slander and sometimes libel (with legal ramifications for both).
Wrong. You can make any claim you want about anyone, and the burden of evidence is on the accuser to provide evidence that the claim is UNTRUE.
I can say whatever I want about anyone with no evidence at all, if someone wants to accuse me of slander or libel, it's up to them to provide proof that I am lying. And It's a high burden of proof.
Excuse me if I am wrong, but isn't accusing somebody of something on a public forum without a shred of evidence (as it has occurred in this very thread) and hiding behind internet anonymity, exactly what you just described?
Wrong. You can make any claim you want about anyone, and the burden of evidence is on the accuser to provide evidence that the claim is UNTRUE.
I can say whatever I want about anyone with no evidence at all, if someone wants to accuse me of slander or libel, it's up to them to provide proof that I am lying. And It's a high burden of proof.
Actually I'm not wrong in the slightest, and what you wrote is completely irrelevant.
I said there were legal ramifications, I did not state a person cannot say what they wanted, as this would be a breach of free speech.
That's slightly delusional in all honesty. I think it's more safe to assume no one is themselves when they are online. Isn't that the point of role play? I hope you're just being silly, and really don't make opinions on people based on their personal gaming experiences. If you aren't...it's sad the things and people you miss out on.
So its clear you think its ok to bully someone from behind a computer on a forum with claims that are not backed up with evidence. But you DONT think its ok to bully someone through your behavior in game.
I once again ask those people making accusations to actually describe said actions that are violations of the terms of service or aggressive behavior. Right now what I am seeing is a redefinition of "griefing" and "trolling" being tortuously bent to justify what is frankly some very appalling abuse of posters on this forum.
All of the arguments are things like "everyone knows X fleet is Y", these are what we call "weasel words", and are generally used in propaganda to gloss over statements that lack a factual basis. There has been very little actual discussion of why there's less RP in this thread, it's merely been a chance for a small minority of a certain fleet's enemies to continue the sustained campaign of libel against them.
I charitably assume that the other posters in this thread are generally reasonable human beings, and ask that if they have any legitimate grievances that they air them. Perhaps if people could drop the insults and abuse and false accusations, we could pin down exactly why they are so upset. I suspect it's due to what I suspect is a sense of ownership and entitlement over the game's public spaces as sets for their own personal movies, but I may be pleasantly surprised.
So its clear you think its ok to bully someone from behind a computer on a forum with claims that are not backed up with evidence. But you DONT think its ok to bully someone through your behavior in game.
Ok got your logic. Not a Vulcan I take it?
I reject your premise that there's been any bullying going on here. Speaking out about things that happened is not bullying, it's testimony.
You're trying to equivocate action with response. As if the response even qualified as bullying the first place. It doesn't, it hasn't, and even if it did, it's not the same thing as an initial offense.
Actually I'm not wrong in the slightest, and what you wrote is completely irrelevant.
I said there were legal ramifications, I did not state a person cannot say what they wanted, as this would be a breach of free speech.
You said "if you accuse somebody of something without evidence to back it up its called slander and sometimes libel". This is not accurate. You do not need evidence to accuse anyone of anything. The burden of proof (the requirement of evidence) lies with the person making the charge of slander or libel, not with the person making any statement they want.
Slander or libel does not occur when a statement lacks evidence. Slander or libel occurs when evidence is provided that a statement is proven untrue.
So, if you're going to throw around terms like slander or libel, the burden is on you to prove that the statement is untrue.
[6:41] [Local] TRIBBLE@xxxxxxx: Yep, these people with thier spray guns of xxxx are why I am ok with terrorism and Movie theater shootings.
[6:42] [Local] TRIBBLE@xxxxxxx: Hell maybe one might be on an airplane, that is worth a tower or two.
[6:45] [Local] TRIBBLE@xxxxxxx: Not if GMs wont keep people like this from doing whatever they want. Its the same as why nobody will stop wars, or genocide. Nobody gives a xxxx about anything.
[6:49] [Local] TRIBBLE@xxxxxxx: I hope whatever country is hosting the servers for this game is destroyed bt famine and nulear holocaust.
[6:52] [Local] TRIBBLE@xxxxxxx: Yep I hope some genocidal dictator conquers the world and kills of half the population of earth just so that there is a 50/50 one of these xxxxxx get it.
I of course gave him my real address because I am not afraid of people on the internet. If anyone would like to stop by I'll give you my address as well, we can go out for a beer in the gaslamp district of San Diego.
Names of the not so innocent redacted so as not to name and shame. Also profanity was removed.
Youknowwhatitis...
-Supporter of Cryptic Lockboxes!
I reject your premise that there's been any bullying going on here. Speaking out about things that happened is not bullying, it's testimony.
You're trying to equivocate action with response. As if the response even qualified as bullying the first place. It doesn't, it hasn't, and even if it did, it's not the same thing as an initial offense.
Ok I would like to give a testimony.
I do declare, that on 30th March 2013, Aznjadeet accosted me outside of Mollymart supersaver store and not only mentally, but verbally battered me on numerous occasions.
He then insisted on following me around whilst pelting me with various items, some of them where hard and went 'thud'.
Despite my best efforts to evade the dastardly person, he did follow me home and then continued to burn my house down.
I have no evidence that these events transpired, but I do hope that you take my word for it and wreak vengeance upon him.
To the forums my friends! to the forums, besmirch the name of him, and his family! tell them of his filthy deeds and smelly socks!
I do declare, that on 30th March 2013, Aznjadeet accosted me outside of Mollymart supersaver store and not only mentally, but verbally battered me on numerous occasions.
He then insisted on following me around whilst pelting me with various items, some of them where hard and went 'thud'.
Despite my best efforts to evade the dastardly person, he did follow me home and then continued to burn my house down.
I have no evidence that these events transpired, but I do hope that you take my word for it and wreak vengeance upon him.
To the forums my friends! to the forums, besmirch the name of him, and his family! tell them of his filthy deeds and smelly socks!
I think the word you want is Defamation." Very simply, defamation is to spread bad reports about someone which could do them harm.You can defame someone if you write or say something about them which spoils their good reputation, which makes people want to avoid them or which hurts them in their work or their profession." Also "In common law, a matter normally has to be false to be defamatory. However, some systems have passed laws (statutes) that truth alone is not a complete defence. And even in common law systems it is the responsibility of the person making the accusation to prove it is true; it is not the responsibility of the victim to prove it is false." Since we're spouting laws.
Actually no, if you make a statement and are asked for evidence you are required to present it or withdraw the statement.
The more you know!
^This^
When it comes to libel/slander, the person who wrote the claim (the accused) must provide evidence their statement is true or face the legal ramifications of trashing that persons character without just cause.
I do declare, that on 30th March 2013, Aznjadeet accosted me outside of Mollymart supersaver store and not only mentally, but verbally battered me on numerous occasions.
He then insisted on following me around whilst pelting me with various items, some of them where hard and went 'thud'.
Despite my best efforts to evade the dastardly person, he did follow me home and then continued to burn my house down.
I have no evidence that these events transpired, but I do hope that you take my word for it and wreak vengeance upon him.
To the forums my friends! to the forums, besmirch the name of him, and his family! tell them of his filthy deeds and smelly socks!
This is my testimony.
I am also selling pinches of salt for a dollar.
If you keep up with the rational responses, you're going to have them screaming barely coherent profanity at you while accusing you of being a member of That Fleet.
But you know what? I guess it doesn't matter now does it? By being allowed to visit their studios Cryptic has pretty much signed off on you and your fleet haven't they? They've said in deed what most of us have suspected for years. They're not going to stop you. They're not going to correct you. You won. After long last, you really, really won. STO is yours and no one is going to do a thing about it. Congratulations.
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...fun at the expense of someone else's enjoyment or by interrupting they're own activities is griefing and harassment...and by the way seen your name a few times ingame too trolling. :rolleyes:
The Legendary Horka Thane
1999 Tribes 1
Infamous TurreNt Camp ( if you dont know you are not Legendary )
But that having been said, just ignore them. They are fueled by reaction. Yes, they're a collective group of (insert expletive of your choice)s, but you can't do much else about it. We'd all be much better off if we all minded our business.
Thats why when ever a complaint is lodged with a GM a screen shot is included...
..and are you threatening legal action on a public forum? Making threats is against the user agreement for these forums. :eek:
What about my expense? What about my enjoyment? What about those that interrupt me with their constant whining and complaining? I have the same right to enjoy the game as you do, or anyone else for that matter. I used to publicly role play, too. That was until role played turned into a pile of grammatical vomit, and erp was everywhere you looked. You can accuse me of being a troll all you like if it makes you feel good about your accusatory posts toward a group of people you know nothing about. The fact is, your opinion about my persona in an online game means nothing to me. It does not affect my life in the smallest of ways. I play an online game, with a group of awesome friends, and we have a good time.
....End of the line.
Perhaps you cant read (its certainly beginning to seem that way) if you could quote me exactly where I threatened anybody with legal action I would be grateful.
Again you have failed to produce any kind of evidence, and from every single post you have made in this thread it is abundantly clear that its not starfleet dental that are the trolls. Perhaps a long hard look in the mirror will bring about a revelation for you.
Hint: ...take your own medicine and just ignore them.
What? Take my own medicine? Ignore who? In case you missed my point..that was hypothetical.
Character is what you do when nobody is looking. If you're a destructive, bullying, annoying, jerk when you're hidden within an anonymous game; those are your true colors coming out. Online activity goes a long way to expose a person's true character, it strips away the confines and social limitations of real life, and allows character to really surface.
If one finds themselves griefing, trolling, or generally destroying the enjoyment of others, in order to achieve their own personal pleasure; they are simply a terrible human being in their heart of hearts. Much pity.
Excuse me if I am wrong, but isn't accusing somebody of something on a public forum without a shred of evidence (as it has occurred in this very thread) and hiding behind internet anonymity, exactly what you just described?
Wrong. You can make any claim you want about anyone, and the burden of evidence is on the accuser to provide evidence that the claim is UNTRUE.
I can say whatever I want about anyone with no evidence at all, if someone wants to accuse me of slander or libel, it's up to them to provide proof that I am lying. And It's a high burden of proof.
You're excused.
I'd argue that it says more about you than real life does. Online is how you act when you're not intimidated by the consequences of reality.
Actually I'm not wrong in the slightest, and what you wrote is completely irrelevant.
I said there were legal ramifications, I did not state a person cannot say what they wanted, as this would be a breach of free speech.
So its clear you think its ok to bully someone from behind a computer on a forum with claims that are not backed up with evidence. But you DONT think its ok to bully someone through your behavior in game.
Ok got your logic. Not a Vulcan I take it?
All of the arguments are things like "everyone knows X fleet is Y", these are what we call "weasel words", and are generally used in propaganda to gloss over statements that lack a factual basis. There has been very little actual discussion of why there's less RP in this thread, it's merely been a chance for a small minority of a certain fleet's enemies to continue the sustained campaign of libel against them.
I charitably assume that the other posters in this thread are generally reasonable human beings, and ask that if they have any legitimate grievances that they air them. Perhaps if people could drop the insults and abuse and false accusations, we could pin down exactly why they are so upset. I suspect it's due to what I suspect is a sense of ownership and entitlement over the game's public spaces as sets for their own personal movies, but I may be pleasantly surprised.
But i did venture into it with STO, i think the Fleet was called DS9 RP'ers or somthing.
The problem was the RP was terrible, really bad, most played Females hitting on other Females, it was so badly done that i swiftly left the Fleet.
All the other RP i have seen has also been really ambarassing to be around.
Maybe they have changed now but i have no idea, they also hang around Bajor and Risla etc i think.
I reject your premise that there's been any bullying going on here. Speaking out about things that happened is not bullying, it's testimony.
You're trying to equivocate action with response. As if the response even qualified as bullying the first place. It doesn't, it hasn't, and even if it did, it's not the same thing as an initial offense.
You said "if you accuse somebody of something without evidence to back it up its called slander and sometimes libel". This is not accurate. You do not need evidence to accuse anyone of anything. The burden of proof (the requirement of evidence) lies with the person making the charge of slander or libel, not with the person making any statement they want.
Slander or libel does not occur when a statement lacks evidence. Slander or libel occurs when evidence is provided that a statement is proven untrue.
So, if you're going to throw around terms like slander or libel, the burden is on you to prove that the statement is untrue.
This same person said this.
http://i.imgur.com/RAfjus1.png
This is what you are personally defending.
I of course gave him my real address because I am not afraid of people on the internet. If anyone would like to stop by I'll give you my address as well, we can go out for a beer in the gaslamp district of San Diego.
Names of the not so innocent redacted so as not to name and shame. Also profanity was removed.
You know what it is...
-Supporter of Cryptic Lockboxes!
Ok I would like to give a testimony.
I do declare, that on 30th March 2013, Aznjadeet accosted me outside of Mollymart supersaver store and not only mentally, but verbally battered me on numerous occasions.
He then insisted on following me around whilst pelting me with various items, some of them where hard and went 'thud'.
Despite my best efforts to evade the dastardly person, he did follow me home and then continued to burn my house down.
I have no evidence that these events transpired, but I do hope that you take my word for it and wreak vengeance upon him.
To the forums my friends! to the forums, besmirch the name of him, and his family! tell them of his filthy deeds and smelly socks!
This is my testimony.
I am also selling pinches of salt for a dollar.
Actually no, if you make a statement and are asked for evidence you are required to present it or withdraw the statement.
The more you know!
Cool deal.
^This^
When it comes to libel/slander, the person who wrote the claim (the accused) must provide evidence their statement is true or face the legal ramifications of trashing that persons character without just cause.
If you keep up with the rational responses, you're going to have them screaming barely coherent profanity at you while accusing you of being a member of That Fleet.