sometimes all the proof you need is someone denying it
for example if a politician denied being looking for promotion he is lying
I do not seek to ban ev suits from the game merely from social areas
The same going for bathing suits outside of beach resorts
and formal wear on the battle bridge
and none of you know what Fascist actually means it seems
Im in favour of law , order and the will of the majority (this is called democracy and is what you get when you are a civilised nation)
Free speech comes with the right of the listeners to throw things
Is it any wonder why this thread got derailed when you've committed trolls like this working tirelessly to derail it?
Also, my last word on this particular derail: free speech does not come with any such right:.
You might be may be interested in the reasonably common truism 'There is a human right to freedom of speech and freedom of expression. There is no right to not be offended' (not an exact quote).
Edit: VVV Funny that Google can't actually find any of the quotes you've got there. Mind giving me references? VVV
"Freedom comes from the spears and shields of the citizen soldier and they ALONE determine who should have it"
Ipicles
"The right to speak freely comes with the duty not to speak without thinking"
Sam Tyler
"any man who demands the right to insult you without consequence is a damn coward or a damn fool "
Bowie (the original one)
Freedom of speech exists because a soldier gave it to you
and remains only as long as you accept peoples absolute right to throw things at you when you use it and to tell you "you are wrong"
its time you guys realised you hide behind false law and false words because you are frankly a little immature.
you believe in democracy?
call a vote of the player base
on this question
I hope they don't remove things like snowballs, possibility shards, ice skates and the like. It helps spice up the game a lot. Most people it seems rather spend hours at a time sitting on the exchange looking for a bargain. If everybody was forced to fly the same ships, wear the same uniforms, act within certain restrictions.
Boooooooooooooooooooooorrrrrrrrrrring!
What attracted me to this game was the openness, wear what you want do what you like.
Maybe there should be roleplay areas with actual moderators looking after it so people want to roleplay you can freely do so.
Look at Vulcan, Andoria with huge orbital space and ground arenas yet no one ever goes there. Perhaps they could be re done as part of a Roleplay only section.
Monkey see, Monkey do. Monkey flings Feathered Monkey poo...
I agree. Place all of the so called roleplayers in their own instance, with a close eye kept by moderators. Of course the so called roleplayers should not be allowed to mix with the general population of the game. Think of it as an MMO prison.
Given that this would be for ERP eventually every person in this instance would be banned except the last person. They could command their roleplaying fleet of no one.
This is the best idea sollvax. This would allow actual roleplayers to be able to play unharassed.
I agree. Place all of the so called roleplayers in their own instance, with a close eye kept by moderators. Of course the so called roleplayers should not be allowed to mix with the general population of the game. Think of it as an MMO prison.
I'm against this idea, Role players whatever role they choose to play should be able to do so wherever and whenever they choose without fear or intimidation. This includes people writing their own Mary Sue fan fics if that's what they want to do.
I am also a fan of this idea; by putting all the RPers into one sealed-off zone, away from the general population, and under the watchful eye of FULL TIME moderators, whose specific job it is to babysit roleplayers so their "immersion" remains unscathed, the rest of us can breath a sigh of relief and continue to play the game normally.
Many of the RPers will no doubt break ToS during their constant arguments over how to RP properly, the right amount of stubble on their toons, what is and isn't canon, who killed whom, etc. Since they are under constant supervision, they will be weeded out.
Sollvax, this really is a fantastic idea, and we commend you for *finally* gaining some common sense and coming around.
Nbreeki
Dental Starbase Custodian
We could call this area, "Your ship's interior" and you can invite whoever you want to come aboard.
May we have a link to the quote? I'm doubting it can be provided as the standard response in asking for any proof of this hearsay has always been a deafening silence. Even if it were true that a single individual in the developer's organization felt that way, it's quite clear that such extreme, draconian measures have not been taken and will not be taken.
The fascism is not on the part of the developers, the fascism is on the part of a microscopic (but highly vocal) minority of players who view the hundreds of thousands of others playing this game as NPCs in their own private fanfics. The calls for standard uniforms, extreme restrictions on behaviour, and the "concentration" of players they dislike in the service of "immersion" is rather telling.
Although Cryptic would be within their rights to set the rules they wish, they have not set any rules that cave into the insane minority.
As for "immersion", "Immersion" is not a key goal in this game. It's rather clear. Cryptic does not care about their players being able to sink into a deep fantasy of really being in Star Trek. They do not care if you cannot bring your Mary Sue to its full realization. They care that *most* people entering the game (including, yes the F2P players) are enjoying themselves. Anything else is simple fanwank.
The line by Zinc was one made three years ago in passing about how he hated seeing people jump on furniture and had to make some comrpomises because, left up to him, he'd have insta-death for jumping on tables and chairs.
The problem with the idea of Mary Sues is that they break immersion.
I'm not a roleplayer. I'm not against custom costumes and fire extinguishers as long as they aren't shoved in other people's faces. But you seem to enjoy imposing your will on other players.
And the idea that Cryptic doesn't want immersion is laughable. Now, it may not satisfy RP rules lawyers but when they put those ships in lockboxes, they see it as a form of immersion still.
People who scream about fascism in my experience just want a different flavor of fascism.
Not being a fascist requires (perhaps counterintuitively) that you can graciously tolerate other people restricting or imposing rules on you.
I am also a fan of this idea; by putting all the RPers into one sealed-off zone, away from the general population, and under the watchful eye of FULL TIME moderators, whose specific job it is to babysit roleplayers so their "immersion" remains unscathed, the rest of us can breath a sigh of relief and continue to play the game normally.
Many of the RPers will no doubt break ToS during their constant arguments over how to RP properly, the right amount of stubble on their toons, what is and isn't canon, who killed whom, etc. Since they are under constant supervision, they will be weeded out.
Sollvax, this really is a fantastic idea, and we commend you for *finally* gaining some common sense and coming around.
Nbreeki
Dental Starbase Custodian
What exactly is your problem with roleplayers?
I'll add... Even furries are considered a protected class on these forums so I imagine you could probably get infractions for disparaging roleplayers.
It's not cool to tease, intimidate or bully people. The more high strung they are, the less right you should have to do it.
The line by Zinc was one made three years ago in passing about how he hated seeing people jump on furniture and had to make some comrpomises because, left up to him, he'd have insta-death for jumping on tables and chairs.
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As usual you post as if you know what you are talking about when infact you are just pulling in random google searches.
Please post the actual evidence, AND IN CONTEXT. Before we accept your 'assertions.
To the people who actually attended what you have described, its obvious you have distorted the truth to epic proportions.
I agree. Place all of the so called roleplayers in their own instance, with a close eye kept by moderators. Of course the so called roleplayers should not be allowed to mix with the general population of the game. Think of it as an MMO prison.
Given that this would be for ERP eventually every person in this instance would be banned except the last person. They could command their roleplaying fleet of no one.
This is the best idea sollvax. This would allow actual roleplayers to be able to play unharassed.
As usual you post as if you know what you are talking about when infact you are just pulling in random google searches.
Please post the actual evidence, AND IN CONTEXT. Before we accept your 'assertions.
To the people who actually attended what you have described, its obvious you have distorted the truth to epic proportions.
My guess (and it's totally just a guess; this thread is the first I've heard it) is that he offhandedly said it as a joke, just to demonstrate that jumping around on furniture is a pet peeve of his. I seriously doubt (if he said it at all) that he expected anybody to take it seriously, and I'm pretty sure he didn't expect it to be used as evidence in a debate about RPing.
Tables instant death
Bars instant death
potted plants instant transport to own ship
Dabo table loss of all EC Zen and dilith to the ferengi for damages
Tables instant death
Bars instant death
potted plants instant transport to own ship
Dabo table loss of all EC Zen and dilith to the ferengi for damages
(this is only HALF a joke)
Well, death doesn't mean a whole lot but I wouldn't object to something cheeky like getting beamed back to the respawn point and getting a pop-up from station security.
In the interests of keeping this thread on topic, There are many channels that are specifically set up in order yo allow real roleplayers to create and participate in roleplaying events. I suggest you go there if you actually want to participate in good RP
That is an anecdote I remembered. It isn't even possible to search the forums.
I do not verify claims. You trust me or you do not.
Why would I ever say something I didn't honestly believe?
You assume everyone is a gullible fool. There is no reason to trust you so I have to assume everything you say is a lie. You make statements and then can't back them up. It's easy, we just ignore everything you say because it has no merit. Your own statements do not live up to your own stated standards.
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Is it any wonder why this thread got derailed when you've committed trolls like this working tirelessly to derail it?
Also, my last word on this particular derail: free speech does not come with any such right:.
You might be may be interested in the reasonably common truism 'There is a human right to freedom of speech and freedom of expression. There is no right to not be offended' (not an exact quote).
Edit: VVV Funny that Google can't actually find any of the quotes you've got there. Mind giving me references? VVV
Ipicles
"The right to speak freely comes with the duty not to speak without thinking"
Sam Tyler
"any man who demands the right to insult you without consequence is a damn coward or a damn fool "
Bowie (the original one)
Freedom of speech exists because a soldier gave it to you
and remains only as long as you accept peoples absolute right to throw things at you when you use it and to tell you "you are wrong"
its time you guys realised you hide behind false law and false words because you are frankly a little immature.
you believe in democracy?
call a vote of the player base
on this question
"Is our fleet offensive"
Yes/NO
Boooooooooooooooooooooorrrrrrrrrrring!
What attracted me to this game was the openness, wear what you want do what you like.
Maybe there should be roleplay areas with actual moderators looking after it so people want to roleplay you can freely do so.
Look at Vulcan, Andoria with huge orbital space and ground arenas yet no one ever goes there. Perhaps they could be re done as part of a Roleplay only section.
Fleet instancing
so when members of a Fleet go to Drozana they CHOOSE to beam to a Fleet instance or an open instance
in the fleet instance only members of their own fleet can be (and those invited)
In the public instance we disable all the weirdness
in the fleet instance we leave it running
And of course they would then have their own seperate instance away from everyone who isn't one of them
Important points highlighted.
Given that this would be for ERP eventually every person in this instance would be banned except the last person. They could command their roleplaying fleet of no one.
This is the best idea sollvax. This would allow actual roleplayers to be able to play unharassed.
Just think special instances and we can all get on with things in peace and quiet
I'm against this idea, Role players whatever role they choose to play should be able to do so wherever and whenever they choose without fear or intimidation. This includes people writing their own Mary Sue fan fics if that's what they want to do.
I don't know how you come to this conclusion, not all RP is ERP.
We could call this area, "Your ship's interior" and you can invite whoever you want to come aboard.
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
The line by Zinc was one made three years ago in passing about how he hated seeing people jump on furniture and had to make some comrpomises because, left up to him, he'd have insta-death for jumping on tables and chairs.
The problem with the idea of Mary Sues is that they break immersion.
I'm not a roleplayer. I'm not against custom costumes and fire extinguishers as long as they aren't shoved in other people's faces. But you seem to enjoy imposing your will on other players.
And the idea that Cryptic doesn't want immersion is laughable. Now, it may not satisfy RP rules lawyers but when they put those ships in lockboxes, they see it as a form of immersion still.
People who scream about fascism in my experience just want a different flavor of fascism.
Not being a fascist requires (perhaps counterintuitively) that you can graciously tolerate other people restricting or imposing rules on you.
What exactly is your problem with roleplayers?
I'll add... Even furries are considered a protected class on these forums so I imagine you could probably get infractions for disparaging roleplayers.
It's not cool to tease, intimidate or bully people. The more high strung they are, the less right you should have to do it.
As usual you post as if you know what you are talking about when infact you are just pulling in random google searches.
Please post the actual evidence, AND IN CONTEXT. Before we accept your 'assertions.
To the people who actually attended what you have described, its obvious you have distorted the truth to epic proportions.
I don't supply evidence. I don't do research.
That is an anecdote I remembered. It isn't even possible to search the forums.
I do not verify claims. You trust me or you do not.
Why would I ever say something I didn't honestly believe?
My guess (and it's totally just a guess; this thread is the first I've heard it) is that he offhandedly said it as a joke, just to demonstrate that jumping around on furniture is a pet peeve of his. I seriously doubt (if he said it at all) that he expected anybody to take it seriously, and I'm pretty sure he didn't expect it to be used as evidence in a debate about RPing.
You can't ask for anecdotes to be substantiated.
It wasn't integral to any kind of an argument. It was an off the cuff comment about what I remembered Zinc saying his preferences were.
It's the equivalent of me saying:
"Man. Birthdays are fun. My best friend hated the chocolate cake at my tenth birthday. But it's a nice occasion for people to get together."
And then I have to substantiate that my friend hated chocolate cake. It's asinine to verify that kind of thing.
Just as it's asinine to verify that a former STO developer likes roleplay and hated to see people jumping on furniture.
Suggest
Tables instant death
Bars instant death
potted plants instant transport to own ship
Dabo table loss of all EC Zen and dilith to the ferengi for damages
(this is only HALF a joke)
Well, death doesn't mean a whole lot but I wouldn't object to something cheeky like getting beamed back to the respawn point and getting a pop-up from station security.
You assume everyone is a gullible fool. There is no reason to trust you so I have to assume everything you say is a lie. You make statements and then can't back them up. It's easy, we just ignore everything you say because it has no merit. Your own statements do not live up to your own stated standards.