As in testdrived properly! Im still taking the T`varo for now, and the DD IF they remove the damned CMND Eng... which ofc i know will never happen.
check the dev tracker today, anchors talking about more changes for the d'deridex. no comander eng? thats a bit of a stretch. hes proposing a COM eng, LTC tac, LTC sci, ENS tac, ENS uni. i'd really like it to have 2 LT level eng stations line up though, for TECHnical reasons...
something like this on d'deridex would be cool
COM sci
LTC tac
LT eng
LT eng
ENS uni
or swap the sci and tac. ether would be very interesting
check the dev tracker today, anchors talking about more changes for the d'deridex. no comander eng? thats a bit of a stretch. hes proposing a COM eng, LTC tac, LTC sci, ENS tac, ENS uni. i'd really like it to have 2 LT level eng stations line up though, for TECHnical reasons...
something like this on d'deridex would be cool
COM sci
LTC tac
LT eng
LT eng
ENS uni
or swap the sci and tac. ether would be very interesting
My dream setup would be Com. Sci, Lt.C Tact, Lt.C Eng and an ensign uni station would be haxcellent. But thats what it is: Just a dream.
Else the proposed change would be better, IF they set it as Com. eng, Lt.C tac, Lt.C Sci and a Lt. uni.
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check the dev tracker today, anchors talking about more changes for the d'deridex. no comander eng? thats a bit of a stretch. hes proposing a COM eng, LTC tac, LTC sci, ENS tac, ENS uni. i'd really like it to have 2 LT level eng stations line up though, for TECHnical reasons...
something like this on d'deridex would be cool
COM sci
LTC tac
LT eng
LT eng
ENS uni
or swap the sci and tac. ether would be very interesting
I keep saying it should be COM Sci, LTC Tac, LTC Eng, LT Uni. It handles like a carrier, it trades its two hangars for Singularity Powers and Battle Cloak. It ought to have a Carrier BOff layout.
I keep saying it should be COM Sci, LTC Tac, LTC Eng, LT Uni. It handles like a carrier, it trades its two hangars for Singularity Powers and Battle Cloak. It ought to have a Carrier BOff layout.
The latest D'Deridex has someone intriguing boff layout. I think much more suitable for ambush style.
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Lt.Cmd Cmd. Lt. Lt.Cmd
The "tank" layout, consoles 4/3/3, but I could even live with the old 5/3/2
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I guess some folks are looking at the D'deridex along the lines of the Odyssey/Regent - shifting a Lt down to an En here or there to bump a Lt to a LCdr...which leaves me thinking they're underestimating what that means as far as gaps go and how spread things will be.
Maybe it's just me...but I see the new proposed D'deridex as more of a hangar-less Recluse with -1 Cmdr Tac/+1 Cmdr Eng...yes, with the -1 Sci console/+1 Tac console.
I'm just not getting the gushing of love taking place in that thread...
Maybe it's because everything is better than G-R :P And the layout will be loved by PvE heroes unleashing hell from cloak in PVE. I think it's great cpt. Kirk, or rather Admiral Sela layout.
Won't most likely be a good healer slave as people will go the selfish road. I like the fact it has no access to A2B build.
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Maybe it's because everything is better than G-R :P And the layout will be loved by PvE heroes unleashing hell from cloak in PVE. I think it's great cpt. Kirk, or rather Admiral Sela layout.
Won't most likely be a good healer slave as people will go the selfish road. I like the fact it has no access to A2B build.
I meant, 2x Lt. A2B build. Lt.cmd slot is a little more valuable. SO it makes it more expensive to use and I'm fine with that. Still with the lower aux levels on romulan ships, it will have much weaker science abilities.
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I meant, 2x Lt. A2B build. Lt.cmd slot is a little more valuable. SO it makes it more expensive to use and I'm fine with that. Still with the lower aux levels on romulan ships, it will have much weaker science abilities.
I guess my main thing was that at the end of the day, it's still a base 5.5 turn ship with 40 base power instead of 50. It's not going to turn as well as a normal 5.5 ship would turn at min Eng power...because it's going to have -10 by comparison.
Cmdr/LCdr/LCdr/En/En...is worse imho than Cmdr/LCdr/LCdr/Lt... two En just doesn't give you what that Lt would.
Heck, you know that - heh, look at your Gal BOFFs, eh?
Of course I know that :P but my proposed G-R layout has no access to DHC and Battlecloak with singularity gimmicks :P And one less boff stations, means one less space trait. While it has pig turn rate.
It has "universal feel" in it, whilst it is less customizable than obessey, which can be better in each area if tha player wants, it has less tac stations than regent, it has not the nimbleness of excelsior and oh well. So it is not in competition with anything. You also need a T4 shipyard for it.
I would call it "balanced" :P
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guess they are going through with the d'derdex change, mixed feelings on that thing. wont be able to slot a EPtX3, or an ET3 on there, AtB2 is such a waist of a LTC slot.
TSS3 isnt even a good skill for a 2 AtB ship to use anyway, its gutted so hard by low aux. no, best to use that slot for no aux required offense. i'll likely be setting it up like this
EPtE is so overpowered, it will actually be semi usable as a battle cruiser with its turn rate, doesn't mean im going to stop saying it should turn more like the negvar though.
this is a kirk ship, its no healboat with a LTC and ENS tac. that means it has to be able to use 2 AtB or its trash. it just barely can.
I don't know - I don't get along all that well with the majority of Cruiserjocks posting over there. Questioning their Dragon builds, their complaints about drain, and inability to hold aggro doesn't make you very popular...
...looking at the various Fed "Tactical" Cruisers - even adding in the Galor/D'Kora to that - and then looking at the layout for the D'deridex...
...I just don't get it.
I could have done more if they had kept the BOFFs but went ahead with the console changes.
Basically if they'd have matched those Amby BOFFs with the Amby consoles.
Indeed, as I posted in the other thread, I think the ambassador seating gave it more versatility in going for more eng or more sci, or throwing the uni lt. toward tac, but the new set up gives it access to a few more tactical skills/higher tactical skills while also bending it more in a tac direction. I would prefer four boffs with a lt.com tac, com eng, lt.com sci, lt. universal.
I know the DD retrofit was stated in the article as:
Ensign Tac, Lt. Com Tac, Commander Eng, Lt. Com Sci, En Universal
But... is that a typo? It is not like that on Tribble as of last night. And that would be an unprecedented 2 LtCmdrs.
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We've been monitoring the feedback closely, and I'd like to run two specific changes behind the people here.
-We could swap the Mogai back to Tactical/Science and the Dhelan back to Tactical/Engineering. I can see that a lot of people preferred the old setup, but there seem to be some people who prefer the new version as well. The Mogai is the "heavier" ship and more comparable to a Destroyer in turn rate and hull, so Engineering seems to be a little more appropriate, but I can see the argument that the consoles for the Mogai have a more "Science" feel.
This could occur either by just swapping the current Dhelan Retrofit and Mogai Retrofit seating, or by giving the Dhelan Retrofit the current Mogai Retrofit seating and reverting the Mogai Retrofit back to its old seating.
I'd like to see more arguments for one side or another that involve more than personal preference.
-I am considering changing the D'deridex Retrofit to the following:
Ensign Tac, Lt. Com Tac, Commander Eng, Lt. Com Sci, En Universal
Consoles would most likely be adjusted as well if this change was made, probably to 3-3-3 on the Retrofit and 3-4-3 (4 Eng) on the Fleet version.
As always, these are just possible changes - nothing is set in stone.
I will be going ahead and making the proposed changes to the D'deridex Retrofit and the Fleet D'deridex.
The Dhelan and Mogai issue is a lot trickier; some people seem to like the current setup, others would prefer to revert it. There are some compelling arguments for both sides. For the time being, I am keeping the BOFFs and consoles as-is.
As always, these changes are not final, and still subject to possible change.
We will continue to monitor the feedback here, and I'm looking forward to seeing a lot more comments once we unlock access to all of the higher level content and ships.
Well, Fleet Norgh only has 4 Boffs. And I was thinking cruisers.
I'm just wondering if they think going from Lt Uni to Ens Uni makes up for upgrading a Lt to a LtCmdr.
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It is an interesting Debate on which route is better for the D'D.. I agree with some on giving it a more Vor'quv/Carrier Sci heavy Boff seating.. but then again it would be nice if it were more unique, and the one they suggested was also nice.. so.. eh.. either way for me..
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Looking at the Ha'feh/Ha'nom - I see some evil tandems. I picture what I do in my Hegh'ta flying around with a B'rel, Hoh'Sus, Norgh, or another Hegh'ta...then I look at what the Ha'feh/Ha'nom could do as a tandem...hrmmm.
Wish they did something along the lines of if you had the Mirror and Fleet of a ship, you could do a Fleet Mirror of it...
Cause, I'm looking at 2x Sci... Ha'nom and Mirror Ha'nom. Basically the RSV/Deep layouts.. taking the two Sci I was thinking about going main with...and going Rom with them - going with that instead of Fleet Norgh/Fleet Deep.
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check the dev tracker today, anchors talking about more changes for the d'deridex. no comander eng? thats a bit of a stretch. hes proposing a COM eng, LTC tac, LTC sci, ENS tac, ENS uni. i'd really like it to have 2 LT level eng stations line up though, for TECHnical reasons...
something like this on d'deridex would be cool
COM sci
LTC tac
LT eng
LT eng
ENS uni
or swap the sci and tac. ether would be very interesting
My dream setup would be Com. Sci, Lt.C Tact, Lt.C Eng and an ensign uni station would be haxcellent. But thats what it is: Just a dream.
Else the proposed change would be better, IF they set it as Com. eng, Lt.C tac, Lt.C Sci and a Lt. uni.
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I keep saying it should be COM Sci, LTC Tac, LTC Eng, LT Uni. It handles like a carrier, it trades its two hangars for Singularity Powers and Battle Cloak. It ought to have a Carrier BOff layout.
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Lt.Cmd
Cmd.
Lt.
Lt.Cmd
The "tank" layout, consoles 4/3/3, but I could even live with the old 5/3/2
Maybe it's just me...but I see the new proposed D'deridex as more of a hangar-less Recluse with -1 Cmdr Tac/+1 Cmdr Eng...yes, with the -1 Sci console/+1 Tac console.
I'm just not getting the gushing of love taking place in that thread...
Won't most likely be a good healer slave as people will go the selfish road. I like the fact it has no access to A2B build.
TT1, BO2, CRF2
THY1
EPtS1, AtB1, AtB2, DEM3
EPtA1
PH1, HE2, TSS3
I guess my main thing was that at the end of the day, it's still a base 5.5 turn ship with 40 base power instead of 50. It's not going to turn as well as a normal 5.5 ship would turn at min Eng power...because it's going to have -10 by comparison.
Cmdr/LCdr/LCdr/En/En...is worse imho than Cmdr/LCdr/LCdr/Lt... two En just doesn't give you what that Lt would.
Heck, you know that - heh, look at your Gal BOFFs, eh?
It has "universal feel" in it, whilst it is less customizable than obessey, which can be better in each area if tha player wants, it has less tac stations than regent, it has not the nimbleness of excelsior and oh well. So it is not in competition with anything. You also need a T4 shipyard for it.
I would call it "balanced" :P
TSS3 isnt even a good skill for a 2 AtB ship to use anyway, its gutted so hard by low aux. no, best to use that slot for no aux required offense. i'll likely be setting it up like this
TT1, CRF1, APO1
THY1
EPtE1, AtB1, AtB2, DEM3
EPtS1
TSS1, HE2, VM1
EPtE is so overpowered, it will actually be semi usable as a battle cruiser with its turn rate, doesn't mean im going to stop saying it should turn more like the negvar though.
this is a kirk ship, its no healboat with a LTC and ENS tac. that means it has to be able to use 2 AtB or its trash. it just barely can.
...looking at the various Fed "Tactical" Cruisers - even adding in the Galor/D'Kora to that - and then looking at the layout for the D'deridex...
...I just don't get it.
I could have done more if they had kept the BOFFs but went ahead with the console changes.
Basically if they'd have matched those Amby BOFFs with the Amby consoles.
That Recluse variant for BOFFs though...er...
Ensign Tac, Lt. Com Tac, Commander Eng, Lt. Com Sci, En Universal
But... is that a typo? It is not like that on Tribble as of last night. And that would be an unprecedented 2 LtCmdrs.
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Recluse
Orb Weaver
Vo'Quv/Fleet Vo'Quv
Mirror Vo'Quv
Fleet Norgh
Can't remember if there are others... but 2 LCdrs is nothing new.
The blog post is what the D'deridex will be with the next patch.
I'm just wondering if they think going from Lt Uni to Ens Uni makes up for upgrading a Lt to a LtCmdr.
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Heh, there are at least three threads with folks arguing over the D'deridex changes just in the Tribble forums...
Think about this:
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Probably on account of the Romulan MVAM console. (I guess?)
X, X, X
X
X, X, X, X
X, X
X, X
3 - 5 - 2
Fleet Ha'feh
X, X, X, X
X, X, X
X, X
X
X, X
5 - 3 - 2
Fleet Ha'nom
X, X
X
X, X
X, X, X, X
X, X, X
3 - 2 - 5
I'm going to echo what's been said in other threads.
The Fleet Ha'apax BOFF layout should be the Fleet D'deridex BOFF layout. The D'd should keep the 3/4/3 consoles with that BOFF layout.
The Fleet Ha'apax BOFF layout should match the pattern established with the Ha'feh and Ha'nom...
5 - Cmdr/LCdr
3 - Lt/En
2 - Lt
So the Fleet Ha'apax BOFF layout would look like:
X, X
X
X, X, X, X
X, X, X
X, X
So you would have your Tac, Sci, and Eng versions of that 5 (Cmdr/LCdr) - 3 (Lt/En) - 2 (Lt) layout for BOFFs/consoles.
i thought only carriers had 2 ltc slots? O_o
Do you even Science Bro?
Carriers and Orb Weaver/Fleet Norgh...
maybe its time they "reintroduce" the original designs for the first 3 p2w ships?
the 2 cmdr slot defiant, interpid, galaxy?
thatd be super :P
Do you even Science Bro?
Cause, I'm looking at 2x Sci... Ha'nom and Mirror Ha'nom. Basically the RSV/Deep layouts.. taking the two Sci I was thinking about going main with...and going Rom with them - going with that instead of Fleet Norgh/Fleet Deep.