You know, it's not how it works. The RCS and all other bonuses are calculated off the original base. The separation is just flat bonus.
Yes :-(((( not even a meager universal ensign for the Galaxy
Must've changed something, then. Tested it with a Oddy+sep console driver and he noticed that he got a much bigger bonus to turn rate by equipping the RCS after separating than by equipping them before separating.
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Its better than that, the T'Varo has Enhanced Battle Cloak. Allowing it to not only fire torps while cloaked but heal its hull while cloaked apparently.
Yeah but what would a torp boat do with all those tac slots? B'rel healing itself under cloak is meh. Its the B'rel healing everybody else (while under cloak) with all eng and sci boffs that is helpful to the team. While I would need to double check, I don't think that shield heals on a B'rel while its cloaked heal its shields.
I remember someone asking for the Fleet Defiant to be adjusted a bit with perhaps 18 turn and a better shield mod like 0.95 or something along those lines. If for nothing else to help make it somewhat competitive with the bug. They did that and quite a bit more. I think with the T'Varo they've finally released a ship better than the bug and everyone can get their hands on it.
Have any of the Federation fleet ships been updated/upgraded on tribble or is the Federation a thing of the past? What about the Klinks for that matter?
3 Tac stations does have its uses, another romulan boff with 2% CritH and +5 Severity
Guess they have been playing with the Traits on the Rom BOFFs. Was they all had Sub/Op. Now they all have Sub, but they may or may not have Op. Lol, Veril even has 2x Sub...hrmm.
But the Op doesn't appear to be limited to just Tac. Satra, a Sci, has Op.
I really like all the ships. I am going to try and get all of the fleet version. Yes I'm drinking the Kool aid
Specifically in regards to PvP I will most likely get the Fleet Tvaro with a Tac officer first. The 5 tac console with a battle cloak screams DPS. Probably use the Fleet Ha'apax Advanced Warbird with the 4 tac (I believe that is correct) as well.
I would like to get the Fleet Mogai, and Fleet Ha'apax Advanced Warbird Refit on my Sci officer.
And of course I will be getting the DD. Just not sure which officer to put it on. It looks great for an Eng officer, but not a big fan of the profession.
I remember someone asking for the Fleet Defiant to be adjusted a bit with perhaps 18 turn and a better shield mod like 0.95 or something along those lines. If for nothing else to help make it somewhat competitive with the bug. They did that and quite a bit more. I think with the T'Varo they've finally released a ship better than the bug and everyone can get their hands on it.
The funny part is the Andorian Tac version was designed with an extra Tac Lt to be a glass cannon.
Now I look at the T'Varo and wonder where that design philosophy went.
At first glance I'd take the Dhelan, but I don't know how SC's or consoles might push me towards the T'Varo like everybody else.
3 sci consoles is enough for an embassy hull heal, an embassy shield heal, and a cap.
I am unimaginative and must run double A2B on everything with Marion and a TB for pugging.
IDK, though, the longer I think about it, my gripe with the Kumari was too much Tac to survive, but the BC on the T'Varo could be enough to compensate in the hands of a competent pilot. Which rules me out.
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I dunno but I have the feeling that the T'Varo will be heavily nerfed soon after launch of LoR. Looks to me that it's just another bait to lure people in to pay for the new stuff. Wouldn't be the first time that Cryptic implements something which is completely overpowered and then nerfs it after a few weeks.
I mean the T'Varo just way to powerful in comparison to other escorts. Even the bugships is inferior to this beast.
OMG, the t'varo looks deadly as hell, are you kidding me for the battle cloak?? I can already see all those beam overload blowing through my shields ... Whether it's a tac or sci.
I'm sure people will call for a nerf soon enough.
Its not THAT op. And certainly not for a decloak ambush, Defiant can still outdamage that thing if need be i think, 3 Tac rommies, highest of all station mix, well at least equalize it, minus the extra utilization.
Even the Klingon B'rel can be way more devastating, although it gives up alot of raw power versus utilization.
Besides it got time the jemmy got some serious adversary!
Really, These days there is too much tunnel vision and not enough creativity, simple ship versus ship stat comparison is so 2012. The standard 4DHC Escort vs escort 1v1 dogfight measurements are kinda over these days. The turnrate/gear/hull/shield comparison lol
"there are more ways to skin a cat"
Anyway, assuming that every player will be playing a Romulan, which is yet to be seen, The whole face of the game in terms of PvP will totally change, even healers can basically have a Cloak/Battlecloak now is my prediction.
To get all ships to its full potential the Battlecloak is going to be a very valuable asset to anyone now. Be it to buff damage or to get the &&& out, or perhaps new dynamics you can utilize it for?
I mean, its going to come in may, so better prepare for the significant change in events. Time to think new tactics rather then worry about it.
IDK, though, the longer I think about it, my gripe with the Kumari was too much Tac to survive, but the BC on the T'Varo could be enough to compensate in the hands of a competent pilot. Which rules me out.
There's nothing to compensate for.
The Fleet T'Varo has a LTC Eng station and a Uni LT to spare.
Just to Recap:
1) Base 18 Turn, higher than Defiant.
2) Base Hull 33k.
3) Shield Mod 0.99 (Better than Kumari, JHAS has 1.0)
4) Armitage HEC BOFF Seating (i.e. LTC Eng), with a Uni Lt.
5) 5 Tac Consoles.
6) Enhanced Battle Cloak.
7) Singularity Lols.
At least now you know the feeling of Galaxy pilot when he sees Negh'var :P
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Really, These days there is too much tunnel vision and not enough creativity, simple ship versus ship stat comparison is so 2012. The standard 4DHC Escort vs escort 1v1 dogfight measurements are kinda over these days. The turnrate/gear/hull/shield comparison lol
For me it's less about 1v1 in combat, and more of a stats vs. stats for a spot on a team.
If you compare them head to head, T'Varo vs. Defiant, it's a clear loss for the Defiant.
While I'll always be a bigger fan of the CMD & Ltc Tac layout on Escorts, having Ltc Eng opens up a lot of options, along with Lt Uni to either copy the Lt Sci or try something different.
That plus better turn rate, better shield mod, same hull, same console layout, and a an (enhanced) battle cloak puts the Fleet T'Varo head and shoulders above the Fleet Defiant by a big margin imo.
Its not THAT op. And certainly not for a decloak ambush, Defiant can still outdamage that thing if need be i think, 3 Tac rommies, highest of all station mix, well at least equalize it, minus the extra utilization. -snip
I think it has more raw damage potential than the Defiant. With the damage bonus from decloak (often and without loosing a console) and actually having a use for TI to boost high level tac skills every few mins it's a monster. I fail to see the downside. It can be set up as a better fighter and alpha striker.
The calls for better shield mod and turn rate on the Defiant were met with 'No way, it's good enough the way it is.' With the give the Defiant battle cloak argument we heard 'That's the Klingon's thing' or 'It would be too powerful'. When people would ask for uni ensign the response was 'It gives up survivability for damage potential.'
This thing has better turn and shield mod, battle cloak, its faction specific so Im sure it's built in so +1 console space, and a high level engineering BOff power for extra survivability (or damage).
I could take my current Defiant build, drop a copy of. CRF down to CRF1, trade delta for diaper/dampers and change one DOff and have quite a formidable ship.
My only hope is that the Federation doesn't get left behind in all of this. It seems the Galaxy has been outdone too.
What people aren't thinking about is that the T'varo is going to be able to slot some EPTW 3 action and keep it up 100% of the time now.
5 tac consoles.
EPTW 3
Omega 3
Overload 3 x 2
HY 1
Rapid fire 1
Out of cloak this is going to be the highest burst ship in the game by quite a large margin I think.
The crazy thing is... it really doesn't give anything up in survival to do it. Its still got a good shield... its got escort hull not bop. It has a proper amount of engi and sci console slots... it can still slot a EPTS and even a RSP if you really wanted to be stupid burst... you just stay cloaked till your RSP is ready again.
Hey I like cloak hunting I am salivating, I want one. Still to say the defiant can burst more then this thing considering the recent change to EPTW is just crazy.
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What people aren't thinking about is that the T'varo is going to be able to slot some EPTW 3 action and keep it up 100% of the time now.
5 tac consoles.
EPTW 3
Omega 3
Overload 3 x 2
HY 1
Rapid fire 1
Out of cloak this is going to be the highest burst ship in the game by quite a large margin I think.
The crazy thing is... it really doesn't give anything up in survival to do it. Its still got a good shield... its got escort hull not bop. It has a proper amount of engi and sci console slots... it can still slot a EPTS and even a RSP if you really wanted to be stupid burst... you just stay cloaked till your RSP is ready again.
Hey I like cloak hunting I am salivating, I want one. Still to say the defiant can burst more then this thing considering the recent change to EPTW is just crazy.
ild take a hy3 over 2 overload 3s, just saying, with the romulan rep torp, high yield 3, or spread 3, are hella nasty.
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Cmd Tac, Lt Tac, Ens Engi, LtC Sci, Lt Uni
Base Turn: 14, Base hull 36,300, Shield Mod: .99
Consoles: 2 Engi, 4 Tac, 4 Sci
Weapons: 4 Fore, 3 Aft
Probably the Mogai, but tbh I can see myself ending up back in the B'rel. Looking @ the stats on these things (and the 4 sci console andorian ship option) it really does suck the Fleet B'rel didn't get a 4th sci console and ended up w/the least useful 4th eng console.
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IMO fleet T'varo if has enhanced cloak , his stats are overpowered, i recommending lower shield mod to 0.9 and hp 28k.
Otherwise f. D'Deridex and f. Ha'apax are underpowered coz they have very low turn rate, i recommending increase their shield mod to 1.3
In total, it looks the devs testing new ships in pve not in pvp.
In total, it looks the devs testing new ships in pve not in pvp.
That's because this is a PVE game and everything has to be for PVE first.. and then if we're lucky we might get a few PVP Scraps.. like new Ships, Powers, or Gear.
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Cmd Tac, Lt Tac, Ens Engi, LtC Sci, Lt Uni
Base Turn: 14, Base hull 36,300, Shield Mod: .99
Consoles: 2 Engi, 4 Tac, 4 Sci
Weapons: 4 Fore, 3 Aft
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Must've changed something, then. Tested it with a Oddy+sep console driver and he noticed that he got a much bigger bonus to turn rate by equipping the RCS after separating than by equipping them before separating.
Yeah but what would a torp boat do with all those tac slots? B'rel healing itself under cloak is meh. Its the B'rel healing everybody else (while under cloak) with all eng and sci boffs that is helpful to the team. While I would need to double check, I don't think that shield heals on a B'rel while its cloaked heal its shields.
Have any of the Federation fleet ships been updated/upgraded on tribble or is the Federation a thing of the past? What about the Klinks for that matter?
Guess they have been playing with the Traits on the Rom BOFFs. Was they all had Sub/Op. Now they all have Sub, but they may or may not have Op. Lol, Veril even has 2x Sub...hrmm.
But the Op doesn't appear to be limited to just Tac. Satra, a Sci, has Op.
Specifically in regards to PvP I will most likely get the Fleet Tvaro with a Tac officer first. The 5 tac console with a battle cloak screams DPS. Probably use the Fleet Ha'apax Advanced Warbird with the 4 tac (I believe that is correct) as well.
I would like to get the Fleet Mogai, and Fleet Ha'apax Advanced Warbird Refit on my Sci officer.
And of course I will be getting the DD. Just not sure which officer to put it on. It looks great for an Eng officer, but not a big fan of the profession.
The funny part is the Andorian Tac version was designed with an extra Tac Lt to be a glass cannon.
Now I look at the T'Varo and wonder where that design philosophy went.
3 sci consoles is enough for an embassy hull heal, an embassy shield heal, and a cap.
I am unimaginative and must run double A2B on everything with Marion and a TB for pugging.
IDK, though, the longer I think about it, my gripe with the Kumari was too much Tac to survive, but the BC on the T'Varo could be enough to compensate in the hands of a competent pilot. Which rules me out.
CommanderDonatra@Capt.Sisko: ahhh is it supposed to do that?
Norvo Tigan@dontdrunkimshoot: hell ya, maybe
I mean the T'Varo just way to powerful in comparison to other escorts. Even the bugships is inferior to this beast.
Its not THAT op. And certainly not for a decloak ambush, Defiant can still outdamage that thing if need be i think, 3 Tac rommies, highest of all station mix, well at least equalize it, minus the extra utilization.
Even the Klingon B'rel can be way more devastating, although it gives up alot of raw power versus utilization.
Besides it got time the jemmy got some serious adversary!
Really, These days there is too much tunnel vision and not enough creativity, simple ship versus ship stat comparison is so 2012. The standard 4DHC Escort vs escort 1v1 dogfight measurements are kinda over these days. The turnrate/gear/hull/shield comparison lol
"there are more ways to skin a cat"
Anyway, assuming that every player will be playing a Romulan, which is yet to be seen, The whole face of the game in terms of PvP will totally change, even healers can basically have a Cloak/Battlecloak now is my prediction.
To get all ships to its full potential the Battlecloak is going to be a very valuable asset to anyone now. Be it to buff damage or to get the &&& out, or perhaps new dynamics you can utilize it for?
I mean, its going to come in may, so better prepare for the significant change in events. Time to think new tactics rather then worry about it.
That, is the strength of us all!
There's nothing to compensate for.
The Fleet T'Varo has a LTC Eng station and a Uni LT to spare.
Just to Recap:
1) Base 18 Turn, higher than Defiant.
2) Base Hull 33k.
3) Shield Mod 0.99 (Better than Kumari, JHAS has 1.0)
4) Armitage HEC BOFF Seating (i.e. LTC Eng), with a Uni Lt.
5) 5 Tac Consoles.
6) Enhanced Battle Cloak.
7) Singularity Lols.
Preach it!
I couldn't agree more. There should always be options instead of the Bug being the 'end all be all' as so many seem to think.
On top of that, it's about time a non-Federation escort was also given 5 tac consoles.
If the nerf the hull and shields of the T'varo...meh, let em. I'm used to flying BoPs with lower hull and shields anyways, that'd be little different.
For me it's less about 1v1 in combat, and more of a stats vs. stats for a spot on a team.
If you compare them head to head, T'Varo vs. Defiant, it's a clear loss for the Defiant.
While I'll always be a bigger fan of the CMD & Ltc Tac layout on Escorts, having Ltc Eng opens up a lot of options, along with Lt Uni to either copy the Lt Sci or try something different.
That plus better turn rate, better shield mod, same hull, same console layout, and a an (enhanced) battle cloak puts the Fleet T'Varo head and shoulders above the Fleet Defiant by a big margin imo.
I think it has more raw damage potential than the Defiant. With the damage bonus from decloak (often and without loosing a console) and actually having a use for TI to boost high level tac skills every few mins it's a monster. I fail to see the downside. It can be set up as a better fighter and alpha striker.
Yeah it's pretty funny in a sadistic sort of way.
The calls for better shield mod and turn rate on the Defiant were met with 'No way, it's good enough the way it is.' With the give the Defiant battle cloak argument we heard 'That's the Klingon's thing' or 'It would be too powerful'. When people would ask for uni ensign the response was 'It gives up survivability for damage potential.'
This thing has better turn and shield mod, battle cloak, its faction specific so Im sure it's built in so +1 console space, and a high level engineering BOff power for extra survivability (or damage).
I could take my current Defiant build, drop a copy of. CRF down to CRF1, trade delta for diaper/dampers and change one DOff and have quite a formidable ship.
My only hope is that the Federation doesn't get left behind in all of this. It seems the Galaxy has been outdone too.
I know for sure I will get a D'deridex...love the design.
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5 tac consoles.
EPTW 3
Omega 3
Overload 3 x 2
HY 1
Rapid fire 1
Out of cloak this is going to be the highest burst ship in the game by quite a large margin I think.
The crazy thing is... it really doesn't give anything up in survival to do it. Its still got a good shield... its got escort hull not bop. It has a proper amount of engi and sci console slots... it can still slot a EPTS and even a RSP if you really wanted to be stupid burst... you just stay cloaked till your RSP is ready again.
Hey I like cloak hunting I am salivating, I want one. Still to say the defiant can burst more then this thing considering the recent change to EPTW is just crazy.
TWO lousy Tac Consoles on the Fleet D'Deridex !?!??!
/ship dps ruined :mad:
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Vengeance is born, with eternal scorn.
New Romulus rises.
ild take a hy3 over 2 overload 3s, just saying, with the romulan rep torp, high yield 3, or spread 3, are hella nasty.
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Vengeance is born, with eternal scorn.
New Romulus rises.
Ya if ya wanna go slow blow HY torp.
HY 1 quantums... hardest hitting critz in the game.
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Fleet T'varo Light Warbird Retrofit:
Cmd Tac, Lt Tac, Ens Tac, LtC Engi, Lt uni
Base turn: 18, Base hull: 33,000, Shield Mod: .99
Consoles: 3 Engi, 5 Tac, 2 Sci
Weapons: 4 Fore, 3 Aft
Fleet Mogai Heavy Warbird retrofit
Cmd Tac, Lt Tac, Ens Engi, LtC Sci, Lt Uni
Base Turn: 14, Base hull 36,300, Shield Mod: .99
Consoles: 2 Engi, 4 Tac, 4 Sci
Weapons: 4 Fore, 3 Aft
Probably the Mogai, but tbh I can see myself ending up back in the B'rel. Looking @ the stats on these things (and the 4 sci console andorian ship option) it really does suck the Fleet B'rel didn't get a 4th sci console and ended up w/the least useful 4th eng console.
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Otherwise f. D'Deridex and f. Ha'apax are underpowered coz they have very low turn rate, i recommending increase their shield mod to 1.3
In total, it looks the devs testing new ships in pve not in pvp.
That's because this is a PVE game and everything has to be for PVE first.. and then if we're lucky we might get a few PVP Scraps.. like new Ships, Powers, or Gear.
Think about this:
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