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Opinion on the Legacy Pack.
amalefactor
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I am a lifer. No, I did not expect special goodies for being a lifer from Legacy of Romulus.
Even so, as a player who is looking forward to Legacy of Romulus, I feel that Cryptic/PW may have made a mistake in this Legacy Pack. It has plenty of stuff in it, yes, but that is the problem: too much stuff, so the price suggested factors all of it at once.
A lot of people will pay 10-15 dollars for something in a MMO on a whim, even for something cosmetic. A lot of those same people will pay 30-50 dollars for something signifigant, like an Odyssey 3-pack with all those cool console powers and set bonus (I did), even if for some that is a hit to the wallet that is noticed, even mourned (in before the "hurf durf get a real job bootstraps ur so entitled" responses). But the price suggested is simply too high, even with its arbitrary "discount" attached.
They should have "Legacy Pack Junior" with perhaps half of the stuff, in a tight well-thought-out bundle, and throw it out there at an appropiate price. Maybe have two packs, with the other half of the stuff in the other, and Cryptic/PW might see the sales increase.
It's a business thing: sometimes people will spend more overall if the price tag is initially low with other stuff that can be bought when brand loyalty is gained. Up until I couldn't find them anymore, I used the same brand of razor to shave every morning since I got a free one in the mail when I was a teenager, found it worked much better than the skin-bleeding disposables I was using before, and I must have made that company back hundreds of dollars on their investment, as one example.
Even so, as a player who is looking forward to Legacy of Romulus, I feel that Cryptic/PW may have made a mistake in this Legacy Pack. It has plenty of stuff in it, yes, but that is the problem: too much stuff, so the price suggested factors all of it at once.
A lot of people will pay 10-15 dollars for something in a MMO on a whim, even for something cosmetic. A lot of those same people will pay 30-50 dollars for something signifigant, like an Odyssey 3-pack with all those cool console powers and set bonus (I did), even if for some that is a hit to the wallet that is noticed, even mourned (in before the "hurf durf get a real job bootstraps ur so entitled" responses). But the price suggested is simply too high, even with its arbitrary "discount" attached.
They should have "Legacy Pack Junior" with perhaps half of the stuff, in a tight well-thought-out bundle, and throw it out there at an appropiate price. Maybe have two packs, with the other half of the stuff in the other, and Cryptic/PW might see the sales increase.
It's a business thing: sometimes people will spend more overall if the price tag is initially low with other stuff that can be bought when brand loyalty is gained. Up until I couldn't find them anymore, I used the same brand of razor to shave every morning since I got a free one in the mail when I was a teenager, found it worked much better than the skin-bleeding disposables I was using before, and I must have made that company back hundreds of dollars on their investment, as one example.
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The Legacy Pack is a disount bundle.
All of the items (except title and special reman DOFF) will be available after launch in the c-store. So for lifetimers like yourself, you'll be able to spend the stipend on any of these items starting May 21.
That's the SECOND time that I posted something and the first responder was Stahl himself! :eek:
The first time was long ago when I asked if there were plans to have interior windows in spacedock so we could see parked ships. He said "yes" and then it happened and it was awesome.
Glad to see you're still around! I for one think you do fine work.
( dreadnaught hangarbays locked )
( cloak bugg still here and now with romulus the cloak masters this will be hard to miss )
but the legacy pack seems decent in content versus money.
so i support that.
Considering that they recently ran a Neverwinter founder pack with three options, I'm betting that their returns on the midway pack were not that great. I'm betting the majority probably went for either the $20 one or the $125 one, meaning the time and money spent to compile a middle option went to waste. It forces people to choose and while it might not make everyone happy, it's a sound business move. The people who don't shell out in favor of the savings will pay more long term, the ones who do have more to play with and save more long term on the the single fleet module it will take to upgrade all those retrofits. Either way it encourages business and more business means more content.
at least thats what i thought when i purchased...^_^
I have most T1-T4 ships because of the consoles but I only buy T5 ships that I'm actually going to use. Since the pack costs almost $160 because of taxes and includes things like keys that I'd prefer to buy with EC, I'll get the cheaper pack and buy what I want with Dilithium.
But, I've been playing the LoR beta tonight. Everything about it is sweet. Depending on what the dev's have to say about the ships before launch I will most likely try to scrape up the money to get it.
good for you! i wish i could convince myself i dont need all of them.but after you max out one character you make a new one from a different class to experience the gameplay of other classes right?thats what i do.so that way i end up buying everything lolz.im a LTS so since i dont pay for anything anymore i say the money i would waste on subs i waste on the c-store and now the legacy pack.
The only thing that, somehow, bothers me, is the Reman Borg BO.
Granted, I hope that it will be included into the existing pre-orders (I am speaking as a pre-ordering customer, not LTS right now), but I also know that ain't going to happen.
The pack does seem nice... But it sucks that I can't afford it.
how is the cloak bugg is it gone from the beta ??
does the cloak bug affect the missions ?
do you decloak when you get mission briefings ?
If I didn't have so many max level characters already I'd be tempted too. But since those ships are limited to Romulan characters only and I doubt I'll make more than 3...
I'm still considering it though.
Honestly, it still does seem like a slap in the face for lifers.. >,< ..Most of which payed $200-$300 to get their lifetime sub. Only to have to pay another $100+ dollars to have any benefit in Legacy.. I am not sure about others but I have spent at least an extra $200-$300 past the $300 I spent on lifetime on ships and stuff.. Besides not being emailed about Neverwinter CBT and jumping on the third session not knowing that I was able to play in the second session because of never receiving any notice. Besides having the game crash and become unplayable shortly after the crash-the-server event. I know it is a bit callous to expect things for supporting a P2W... Erm, I mean F2P game, but really..? 9 ships, 30 masters keys, an exclusive race among other things... Why not add the Ocampa, Kazon and Talaxians already..?
With all due respect, i believe you're missing the point of the OP; he's lamenting at the blatant and intentional lack of a "midrange option"(read: something in the 40-60 dollar range): the fact that there is NOTHING between the cheap option and the expensive option is not lost upon the ST:O fans.
Perhaps a bininary/polarized pricng model plays well in Asian markets, but not here in the states.
Or, judgeing from some of the comments I see on pages here, denmark either.
Still. The Reman costume and ship skin customization options will be welcome.
I intend to make a Romulan main character and I was curious about these options. The starter pack really did not appeal to me since I am only interested in the larger ships.
I then looked at the Legacy Pack but at a $125 price tag I just closed the window. I understand where the value in that pack is but we really need a $40-$60 pack that includes some items of each pack.
I am more than ready to pay a full expansion price of $40 for what is coming in May. I EXPECTED to but currently there are no bundles to fill that traditional expansion price tag.
Without a bundle in that range I will definately go back to picking and choosing only items I will use long term. The difference I suppose is I will be paying for those upgrades with stipend and Dilithium conversions instead of paying cash up front.
Just my 2 cents.
Tobad this game isnt build to fancy on the ground. A few Hummer like vehicles would be sweet to replace all them ships u wouldnt use.
I guess it gives each person a limit to find their fav then trash the rest. Which, basically, will happen.
-V
The ships in the bundle are all RETROFIT ships, meaning that if you buy the bundle, they will remain as legacy unlocks for all Romulan Republic characters you choose to create.
I'm just happy that I don't have to buy the bundle in order to obtain the one or two things I actually do want from the bundle.
Still, it's not a big deal for people to buy the individual items they want from the C-Store when LoR goes live. All you're losing is the Doff pack and the Titles.
That said, there are two things upon which my buying of this is contingent:
1. My testing of the Romulan faction on Tribble over this weekend. Do I like the story, the ships, the new mechanics, the aesthectic, etc? Basically, do I think I will get invested enough in a Romulan character to justify $125 worth of extra C-Store goodies? My Klingon has gotten 0 zen put into him besides my LTS benefits, will I think a Romulan will be different?
2. We have not seen what will happen with Gold/LTS benefits and Romulan faction yet. Specifically, I want to know whether there will be a Romulan version of the Chimera/Pegh'qu, and what ship(s) will be available to redeem with our VA ship token. Also, smaller things like a veteran costume, etc, but it's mostly ships. I will probably wait until an announcement on this front before deciding what I want to do with the Legacy bundle. If LTS members wind up getting a lot of this stuff, or similar stuff, anyway, it might not be such a hot deal.
Here's the best part. This "Discount" bundle you purchased? You essentially just paid 125 bucks for a costume and ship skin customization options!
DISCOUNT INDEED!
Just ask the KDF exactly how awesome it is to create alts for that faction.
If alt-creation is the impetus to buy this ... that's a longshot.
Yes you do get a load of ships but to be honest I don't want more than 1 Romulan character as I'm not too enthusiastic about grinding rep on more than 1 character. Having only 1 character I'm not likely to want more than 1 or 2 end game ship types which means I would end up wasting all those ships and money.
The Legacy pack is worth it if you're going all in Romulan, If you have money to burn or if you know you will be buying all the ships anyway. I'll just enjoy what perks I get from the LTS and leave it at that.
It is through repetition that we learn our weakness.
A master with a stone is better than a novice with a sword.
Has damage got out of control?
This is the last thing I will post.
Honestly, some lifers NEED some sort of smack upside the head.
Your/Mine/Our lifetime subscription ONLY entitles you/me/us to play STO free from ever having to spend any more funds on a subscription. That is it. :eek:
If you/me/we want shinies from the C-Store, you/me/we will HAVE to buy them using Zen from purchases, from dilithium exchange or saving up the LTS stipend.
I'm also a HUGE Romulan fan, have been since I started watching TNG back in the 90s. I knew I was going to have a lot of Romulan alts (I have 6 empty slots after all), I knew I was going to want a good variety of Tier 5 ships, especially the canon ones, for those characters, and therefor was probably going to buy these ships eventually.
I was going to be able to get Remans anyway cause I'll be t5 Romulan rep next week, but having the Nemesis costume is a cool extra. Plus a boff.
I wanted these things, and even though i'm a lifer I didn't expect them for free, and I saw how people added up the cost of the individual items and calculated it out that it really is that 30 percent discount.
All of this made it a good value and a good deal for me, so I bought it.
If you look at it and weigh all these things, and it isn't a good value or good deal for you, don't buy it.
Actually, I think the best C-store sale they had was couple years ago when they had the 50% ship sale.:D
I agree with you, mostly, however, the LTS gave you a playable "Liberated borg" of both factions along with the no sub. And I know this is about the Legacy Pack, which is mostly Reman, but LTS should get a corresponding playable Romulan liberated borg, just like Federation(Human) and Klingon. Notice I said "Romulan" not "Reman".