Please use the correct pronoun in your posts. The one you're looking for is "I".
I love it. I think it is a great way to add variety to what will be a popular faction and I am excited to be part of the story as it plays out!
"I" would imply that he is stating only his opinion... which is inaccurate. Since I, and many other in these forums do not wish there to be any ship sharing, "we" is an appropriate pronoun.
You mean aside from the class of ships that has their own resource (Singularity Charge or whatever), and a whole set of unique, interesting innate powers and an exclusive item slot to modify/improve those powers?
Also, how can the doffs and boffs surprise you? Did you expect they were going to take away the Romulan doffs and boffs that many of us already have? (Some people in my fleet have entire bridge crews of 6 identical romulan dudes)
Warp cores are for everyone, not just Romulans, they happen to use different ones though.
Then why even bother to pretend there are multiple factions if the visual identity of them is so smudged that there might as well not be any. If you want to fly Fed ships, do it on your Fed. Romulan characters should fly Romulan ships.
Where does it say that the Romulan characters must fly ships from their chosen allies? Remember what Dan said in the interview, Romulans will have a trait (Subterfuge) that will give a buff to them while flying a ship that can cloak, since we know that Romulan ships cloak, it's clearly conceivable that many players who have a Romulan character would choose to stick with their Romulan ships. You just have access to the ships from your allies, it's your CHOICE if you want to use them or even if you don't want to use them. How difficult is it to understand that?
Using Fed/KDF equipment, consoles, DOffs, even BOffs, I can live with.
I draw the line at ships though. Romulans should NOT get access to Fed/KDF ships.
From a balancing point of view, surely between lockbox and unique Romulan ships, this shouldnt be needed.
From an IP point of view, I seriously doubt a Romulan refugee would be given command of an Odyssey - in this games story, the brand new flagship of the fleet. Using Dan's own example (Kira commanding the Defiant) either Roms ARENT their own faction, but a single planet of former refugees like the Bajorans, or they ARE a major faction, and then a better example would be General Martok commanding the Defiant. Just wouldn't happen, even between wartime allies.
From a profit point of view, you will make more money from selling Rom C-Store ships. Yes a Vesta can't cloak, but then neither can half the KDF ships like the KarFi or Guramba, and they still work fine, so an unused cloak based trait won't dissuade people from just using what they have already unlocked, already know, and already have established builds and tactics for.
Please, let the Roms use their own ships. Just... please.
I'm confused if we're playing the same game. My KDF and Fed toons do the same missions all the time. Are those not real factions?
Some missions are the same, while most others are faction specific, with KDF having a nice advantage in this matter (contraband, prisoners, executions, raids etc.).
And now I read that Romulan and Reman doffs are just going to be added to the existing (FED/KDF) doff packs so that Romulan captains "WILL BE ABLE" to use their own doffs (in the same whay you're able to create a fully vulcan/andorian/orion crew atm), but the foundation seems to be the existing FED or KDF mission system. Not really impressed by that.
As for using other factions' ships - I don't mind. I want a plasmonic leech on my d'deridex yes please.
I've read where some people have concerns everyone will just make Romulan toons from now on b/c they get access to 2 faction gear sets. Along those lines:
1. Is there a limited set of allied faction gear, or is it all open? (eg low level z-store ships are faction only to prevent consoles not in boxes to cross lines)
2. Is there an extra cost for Romulan toons to obtain the allied gear compared to a toon in that allied faction?
3. Other than traits why would anyone play KDF/Fed after they've run through the storyline missions? Ie, what's the incentive to keep playing/make new Fed/KDF toons? Or is that something you're saving for down the road?
I hope we get an official answer to all of your questions, but from a careful reading of the dev blog, it does say that Romulans get access to their ally's Fleet Ships (capitalization and everything) which gives me the impression that it will only be the ones earned from the fleet shipyard.
This makes sense because now your romulan can get access to the ships unlocked already for members of their fleet. (Though this doesn't seem to work the other way around, since the fleet will be able to make Romulan ships at some future point but not give them to non-romulan captains. I like that)
So to answer number 2 my guess would be no since they are buying them through the fleet store like anyone else.
And for 3: What is the endgame difference between a Fed and a KDF right now? Races, a shrinking list of consoles, different ship types (especially if romulans won't get access to c-store ships eg: no rommies in Kumaris), some different doff missions, and different costumes.
So here's my question: can Romulans access off duty uniforms? Is there anyone looking at applying those to Klingons as well?
It seems to me that the Marauding BOffs, which still have bugged costumes, could probably be fixed more easily. We saw Klingons in non-KDF uniforms on the shows, particularly DS9.
The weirdest thing is the tuxedo might be unlocked but that's no more weird than it is on a Caitian and it works fine with Gorn based on bugged costumes I've seen.
We see Romulan NPCs wearing pieces of off duty uniforms and the merc sets. I imagine those sets in general aren't huge sellers but might have a bit more appeal if off duty uniforms were usable for all factions.
On a related note, can Romulans wear:
The Winter Jackets.
Lobi Store costumes. (Ferengi Jacket and Temporal Jumpsuit seem like they should be options. But then there's a question of whether they get 29th century uniforms, either of their ally or their own.)
Fleet uniform unlocks like the Odyssey and the Romulan Embassy unlock?
I could see mixed feelings on the Odyssey in particular. But then Kira was wearing a Starfleet uniform by the end so it doesn't seem totally off to me if it requires Fleet participation.
Personally, I'd say if Fed allied Romulans get the Wells/M?bius, they should probably get the Wells uniform unlock as well. And Klingon allied Romulans should get the Korath uniform. Because, in theory, that's the direction their alliance would lead in the 29th century.
Overall, the near future might be a good time to review BOff customization. Maybe set Marauding/Diplomacy BOs up for a choice of uniforms. Make the Embassy Romulan BOs and Reman FE BO customizable.
And, of course, one thing I've never seen addressed is Liberated Borg Romulans.
You mean aside from the class of ships that has their own resource (Singularity Charge or whatever), and a whole set of unique, interesting innate powers and an exclusive item slot to modify/improve those powers?
Also, how can the doffs and boffs surprise you? Did you expect they were going to take away the Romulan doffs and boffs that many of us already have? (Some people in my fleet have entire bridge crews of 6 identical romulan dudes)
Ok, you're right, I'm sorry. I overreacted a bit.
All the same though, the more information that comes out, the less actually unique content we're getting. So far we have ships. That's really it.
Edit- and there's a difference between a non-customisable, unique boff and a real, fully customizable set of boffs from our own factions species. Also, while I don't mind people keeping the boffs they already have I had, perhaps foolishly, hoped they might remove them for future purchase.
Second edit- misread your post slightly the first time, after reading it again I removed some of mine that actually made no sense.
Where does it say that the Romulan characters must fly ships from their chosen allies? Remember what Dan said in the interview, Romulans will have a trait (Subterfuge) that will give a buff to them while flying a ship that can cloak, since we know that Romulan ships cloak, it's clearly conceivable that many players who have a Romulan character would choose to stick with their Romulan ships. You just have access to the ships from your allies, it's your CHOICE if you want to use them or even if you don't want to use them. How difficult is it to understand that?
1) As if that trait will actually factor in people's decision making.
2) The "choice" argument goes to absurd ends. Should it be my choice to fly KDF ships in my Fed? Or vice versa. How are you incapable of seeing the need for coherence in what is being called a faction? Why not just go to the logical end of removing all 'fsction' walls. Have everyone flying everything because, y'know, choice.
Some missions are the same, while most others are faction specific, with KDF having a nice advantage in this matter (contraband, prisoners, executions, raids etc.).
And now I read that Romulan and Reman doffs are just going to be added to the existing (FED/KDF) doff packs so that Romulan captains "WILL BE ABLE" to use their own doffs (in the same whay you're able to create a fully vulcan/andorian/orion crew atm), but the foundation seems to be the existing FED or KDF mission system. Not really impressed by that.
As for using other factions' ships - I don't mind. I want a plasmonic leech on my d'deridex yes please.
Well if I open a doffpack on a fed, I get fed dudes, if I open that exact same pack on KDF, I get bumpy headed pissed off dudes. So adding romulan and reman boffs to the pack probably just means that when a romulan opens it, they get dudes with heavy brows and pointy ears.
Also, to that last part: From the way I read it, you're getting fleet ships. No promise yet of you getting c-store ships from the other factions. So it might be no romulans in kumaris, and sadly no console for ~10 power to all subsystems in combat for our romulans either.
Agree or disagree with the feature, it is pretty obvious why it was implemented. It's to give some form of "compensation" for all those ships people have accumulated over the years, that they might not be willing to give up, in order to play a third faction.
But given the nature of the faction, and the inherent bonus towards flying native ships, one could argue about whether being able to pilot all the old ships is even relevant outside of some roleplay scenario.
I agree to this 100%.
The way I see it, it is up to you the player as to how you play your Romulan. Just because you have the "ability" to fly your allied specific ships doesn't mean that you HAVE TO do it.
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All the same though, the more information that comes out, the less actually unique content we're getting. So far we have ships. That's really it. Especially since I'm only aware of one unique trait, which may well only be unique in name, we have no idea if the others will get a functionally identical trait. And erm... what item slot? Do you mean warp cores? 'cos everyone gets those.
Edit- and there's a difference between a non-customisable, unique boff and a real, fully customizable set of boffs from our own factions species. Also, while I don't mind people keeping the boffs they already have I had, perhaps foolishly, hoped they might remove them for future purchase.
Singularity Cores vs Warp Cores. Both are on tribble, check them out, they are pretty different, though they both have a bonus to power in some way, the Singularity cores seem to only give that power if your hoard your "Singularity Charge".
And have you seen the Singularity Core that confuses high yield torps!? I want 5.
So as a Romulan player I get access to all the ships of the game as long as I have a Romulan on both sides. Hmm its good to be a Romulan, sucks for KDF and FED races though.
Hmm. Will Romulans have Romulan doffs (unusable BY KDF/FED), or, since doffing starts at lvl 10 (same as allying with another faction), just gain access to the whole doff system (doff missions, doffs themselves) of their ally?
The second possibility would mean there would only remain 2 factions' doffs and that you couldn't doff without choosing an ally.
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Agree or disagree with the feature, it is pretty obvious why it was implemented. It's to give some form of "compensation" for all those ships people have accumulated over the years, that they might not be willing to give up, in order to play a third faction.
But given the nature of the faction, and the inherent bonus towards flying native ships, one could argue about whether being able to pilot all the old ships is even relevant outside of some roleplay scenario.
I hate to be "that guy", but he said fleet ships. You -might- not get your c-store ones. That would make sense because the unlock in the c-store is faction wide, new faction wouldn't get access to it.
That also answers the guy who was whining about giving the state of the art flagships to outsiders. No c-store ships means no Oddy/Bortasqu for Romulans, though with a T5 fleet shipyard they could get the crummy version.
Hmm. Will Romulans have Romulan doffs (unusable BY KDF/FED), or, since doffing starts at lvl 10 (same as allying with another faction), just gain access to the whole doff system (doff missions, doffs themselves) of their ally?
The second possibility would mean there would only remain 2 factions' doffs.
This trouble me too. I was looking forward to a Romulan flavored category....
What about C-Store Fed/KDF ships, to get their consoles (such as the Multi-Vector Assault module for the Advanced Escort)? Will Romulans be able to use those? If not, will we see a bunch of C-Store Warbirds (that will have discounts for Fleet versions, hopefully!) to make up for it?
i think there shot there self in the foot when there said it was a full faction when for the past 3 years the factions in the game have been totally independent from each other. there would of been better off saying its a sub-faction from the start because thats wot it really is. im really disappointed by the so called Rom faction so far and the more info i see just confirms it. this as far as im concerned is a TRIBBLE poor attempt at giving players wot there wont. but i like some of the other stuff there adding like new ui n warp cores ill play rom for new content then ill probs never play it again unless the ships add a new way of playing the so called end game content.
i hope there adding more elite versons of missions because most of the newer missions get fast to qwick because there to easy if ur in a premade team. even
Singularity Cores vs Warp Cores. Both are on tribble, check them out, they are pretty different, though they both have a bonus to power in some way, the Singularity cores seem to only give that power if your hoard your "Singularity Charge".
And have you seen the Singularity Core that confuses high yield torps!? I want 5.
Ok, that sounds mildly interesting, even if FED/KDF platers will probably end up with something similar six months down the line. Whether they do or not though, that's still just ships, leaving romulans with nothing but their own ships for unique content, and we don't even have to use them.
So as a Romulan player I get access to all the ships of the game as long as I have a Romulan on both sides. Hmm its good to be a Romulan, sucks for KDF and FED races though.
Well if I open a doffpack on a fed, I get fed dudes, if I open that exact same pack on KDF, I get bumpy headed pissed off dudes. So adding romulan and reman boffs to the pack probably just means that when a romulan opens it, they get dudes with heavy brows and pointy ears.
Not really. Each faction has their own doff pack, aside from those mini-lockbox ones. And from the sound of the blog, as well as some previous info, Roms will use their ally's duty officer packs (for example, getting some rommies AND klingons/orions/gorn), while their own pack is going to be introduced much later. The fact that they say the same about Romulan Republic spiced missions would only support this theory.
The way I see it, it is up to you the player as to how you play your Romulan. Just because you have the "ability" to fly your allied specific ships doesn't mean that you HAVE TO do it.
Then lets drop the faction pretense and just all join the Klingederation Republic. Since in the long run, using your logic, there will be nothing (nor should there be) unique to of any faction. Save an inate trait (but given the new trait system, how long until that becomes available to everyone as well?).
Sorry, it just makes no sense to me... Fed fly Federation Ships, KDF Fly Klingon Ships, Romulans Fly ... anything they damn well want?
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The story has you have told in the blog makes sense to me and should for most of us... Cannot wait to play it!
Ok, that sounds mildly interesting, even if FED/KDF platers will probably end up with something similar six months down the line. Whether they do or not though, that's still just ships, leaving romulans with nothing but their own ships for unique content, and we don't even have to use them.
Ships, races, uniforms, missions and a few items more than likely. Pretty much the same as the difference between factions now.
I also want to highlight the fact that Warbirds have a whole bunch of powers that are not tied to Boffs and seem like they will have interesting and cool effects. (Look at the different things that Singularity Cores enhance) I suppose they will lose some boff powers to gain that, or something else to keep it relatively balanced.
Okay, it makes sense and looks cool, except (and this is a big except) for romulan flying non romulan ships. Lockbox ships are ok but not fed/kdf ships. This shouldn't be possible. I hope you just remove this option.
Then lets drop the faction pretense and just all join the Klingederation Republic. Since in the long run, using your logic, there will be nothing (nor should there be) unique to of any faction. Save an inate trait (but given the new trait system, how long until that becomes available to everyone as well?).
Sorry, it just makes no sense to me... Fed fly Federation Ships, KDF Fly Klingon Ships, Romulans Fly ... anything they damn well want?
I'm of the same mind. What's the point of a faction if you can do everything everyone else does? It takes away from the unique identity--even if individuals have the choice not to participate. As it is, we know Romulan space will be full Romulan captains in Federation and Klingon ships. That just feels uncomfortable to me.
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"I" would imply that he is stating only his opinion... which is inaccurate. Since I, and many other in these forums do not wish there to be any ship sharing, "we" is an appropriate pronoun.
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Warp cores are for everyone, not just Romulans, they happen to use different ones though.
I draw the line at ships though. Romulans should NOT get access to Fed/KDF ships.
From a balancing point of view, surely between lockbox and unique Romulan ships, this shouldnt be needed.
From an IP point of view, I seriously doubt a Romulan refugee would be given command of an Odyssey - in this games story, the brand new flagship of the fleet. Using Dan's own example (Kira commanding the Defiant) either Roms ARENT their own faction, but a single planet of former refugees like the Bajorans, or they ARE a major faction, and then a better example would be General Martok commanding the Defiant. Just wouldn't happen, even between wartime allies.
From a profit point of view, you will make more money from selling Rom C-Store ships. Yes a Vesta can't cloak, but then neither can half the KDF ships like the KarFi or Guramba, and they still work fine, so an unused cloak based trait won't dissuade people from just using what they have already unlocked, already know, and already have established builds and tactics for.
Please, let the Roms use their own ships. Just... please.
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And now I read that Romulan and Reman doffs are just going to be added to the existing (FED/KDF) doff packs so that Romulan captains "WILL BE ABLE" to use their own doffs (in the same whay you're able to create a fully vulcan/andorian/orion crew atm), but the foundation seems to be the existing FED or KDF mission system. Not really impressed by that.
As for using other factions' ships - I don't mind. I want a plasmonic leech on my d'deridex yes please.
I hope we get an official answer to all of your questions, but from a careful reading of the dev blog, it does say that Romulans get access to their ally's Fleet Ships (capitalization and everything) which gives me the impression that it will only be the ones earned from the fleet shipyard.
This makes sense because now your romulan can get access to the ships unlocked already for members of their fleet. (Though this doesn't seem to work the other way around, since the fleet will be able to make Romulan ships at some future point but not give them to non-romulan captains. I like that)
So to answer number 2 my guess would be no since they are buying them through the fleet store like anyone else.
And for 3: What is the endgame difference between a Fed and a KDF right now? Races, a shrinking list of consoles, different ship types (especially if romulans won't get access to c-store ships eg: no rommies in Kumaris), some different doff missions, and different costumes.
It seems to me that the Marauding BOffs, which still have bugged costumes, could probably be fixed more easily. We saw Klingons in non-KDF uniforms on the shows, particularly DS9.
The weirdest thing is the tuxedo might be unlocked but that's no more weird than it is on a Caitian and it works fine with Gorn based on bugged costumes I've seen.
We see Romulan NPCs wearing pieces of off duty uniforms and the merc sets. I imagine those sets in general aren't huge sellers but might have a bit more appeal if off duty uniforms were usable for all factions.
On a related note, can Romulans wear:
The Winter Jackets.
Lobi Store costumes. (Ferengi Jacket and Temporal Jumpsuit seem like they should be options. But then there's a question of whether they get 29th century uniforms, either of their ally or their own.)
Fleet uniform unlocks like the Odyssey and the Romulan Embassy unlock?
I could see mixed feelings on the Odyssey in particular. But then Kira was wearing a Starfleet uniform by the end so it doesn't seem totally off to me if it requires Fleet participation.
Personally, I'd say if Fed allied Romulans get the Wells/M?bius, they should probably get the Wells uniform unlock as well. And Klingon allied Romulans should get the Korath uniform. Because, in theory, that's the direction their alliance would lead in the 29th century.
Overall, the near future might be a good time to review BOff customization. Maybe set Marauding/Diplomacy BOs up for a choice of uniforms. Make the Embassy Romulan BOs and Reman FE BO customizable.
And, of course, one thing I've never seen addressed is Liberated Borg Romulans.
Ok, you're right, I'm sorry. I overreacted a bit.
All the same though, the more information that comes out, the less actually unique content we're getting. So far we have ships. That's really it.
Edit- and there's a difference between a non-customisable, unique boff and a real, fully customizable set of boffs from our own factions species. Also, while I don't mind people keeping the boffs they already have I had, perhaps foolishly, hoped they might remove them for future purchase.
Second edit- misread your post slightly the first time, after reading it again I removed some of mine that actually made no sense.
1) As if that trait will actually factor in people's decision making.
2) The "choice" argument goes to absurd ends. Should it be my choice to fly KDF ships in my Fed? Or vice versa. How are you incapable of seeing the need for coherence in what is being called a faction? Why not just go to the logical end of removing all 'fsction' walls. Have everyone flying everything because, y'know, choice.
Well if I open a doffpack on a fed, I get fed dudes, if I open that exact same pack on KDF, I get bumpy headed pissed off dudes. So adding romulan and reman boffs to the pack probably just means that when a romulan opens it, they get dudes with heavy brows and pointy ears.
Also, to that last part: From the way I read it, you're getting fleet ships. No promise yet of you getting c-store ships from the other factions. So it might be no romulans in kumaris, and sadly no console for ~10 power to all subsystems in combat for our romulans either.
I would prefer Romulans having their own time ships and their own uniforms to go with them.
I agree to this 100%.
The way I see it, it is up to you the player as to how you play your Romulan. Just because you have the "ability" to fly your allied specific ships doesn't mean that you HAVE TO do it.
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Singularity Cores vs Warp Cores. Both are on tribble, check them out, they are pretty different, though they both have a bonus to power in some way, the Singularity cores seem to only give that power if your hoard your "Singularity Charge".
And have you seen the Singularity Core that confuses high yield torps!? I want 5.
The second possibility would mean there would only remain 2 factions' doffs and that you couldn't doff without choosing an ally.
Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider.
Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
Don't make ARC mandatory! Keep it optional only!
I hate to be "that guy", but he said fleet ships. You -might- not get your c-store ones. That would make sense because the unlock in the c-store is faction wide, new faction wouldn't get access to it.
That also answers the guy who was whining about giving the state of the art flagships to outsiders. No c-store ships means no Oddy/Bortasqu for Romulans, though with a T5 fleet shipyard they could get the crummy version.
This trouble me too. I was looking forward to a Romulan flavored category....
i hope there adding more elite versons of missions because most of the newer missions get fast to qwick because there to easy if ur in a premade team. even
Ok, that sounds mildly interesting, even if FED/KDF platers will probably end up with something similar six months down the line. Whether they do or not though, that's still just ships, leaving romulans with nothing but their own ships for unique content, and we don't even have to use them.
He also clearly said they were being put in the current, FED or KDF doff packs, meaning FEDs and KDF will get to use them.
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Oh well, more contraband for me I guess...
Then lets drop the faction pretense and just all join the Klingederation Republic. Since in the long run, using your logic, there will be nothing (nor should there be) unique to of any faction. Save an inate trait (but given the new trait system, how long until that becomes available to everyone as well?).
Sorry, it just makes no sense to me... Fed fly Federation Ships, KDF Fly Klingon Ships, Romulans Fly ... anything they damn well want?
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The story has you have told in the blog makes sense to me and should for most of us... Cannot wait to play it!
Ships, races, uniforms, missions and a few items more than likely. Pretty much the same as the difference between factions now.
I also want to highlight the fact that Warbirds have a whole bunch of powers that are not tied to Boffs and seem like they will have interesting and cool effects. (Look at the different things that Singularity Cores enhance) I suppose they will lose some boff powers to gain that, or something else to keep it relatively balanced.
God, lvl 60 CW. 17k.
I'm of the same mind. What's the point of a faction if you can do everything everyone else does? It takes away from the unique identity--even if individuals have the choice not to participate. As it is, we know Romulan space will be full Romulan captains in Federation and Klingon ships. That just feels uncomfortable to me.