Soooo, back to the thread topic, I look forward to a playable Romulan faction. However, if it's done like the KDF was, I expect the forum will be on fire. Any new content is welcomed, but if it is a re skin of the federation story arcs, there will be a lot of forum rage.I hope we will eventually have a playable Dominion, or Cardassian union faction.:)
Where as your mind works on the basis that canon is mutable
A newer series can not change the older ones (anything Gene did is set in stone)
Enterprise removed itself from Canon with its last episode
JJ trek is non canon as well
TAS is considered canon only by some people
But you Really think everyone on the Enterprise was a non com??
I suggest you go and watch some of the interviews with the big man himself
Janice (and as far as I know only Janice) was an exception because story changes had to make her younger and more vulnerable than previously depicted
But Flying Borg are still impossible
because "Yee canna change the laws of physics"
I suggest you look up the concept of Confirmation Bias. It makes up a huge percentage of your posts on the forum.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
A newer series can not change the older ones (anything Gene did is set in stone)
This is not how canon works. New canon always supercedes old canon unless an authority present during or after the new canon otherwise refutes it.
Therefor, because Gene isn't alive to Word of God Enterprise or JJTrek away and neither CBS nor Paramount has said otherwise, those things are canon officially, end of story.
This of course does not rule out an individual's personal canon - people can pick and choose what they accept as canon or not regardless of what officials may say. They are of course technically wrong in doing so, but it's a mostly harmless thing.
Enterprise removed itself from Canon with its last episode
There is no evidence that any other episode was a holodeck program - only the last one. Unless you can show me in every other Enterprise episode where Riker paused the program, I'm afraid you're very wrong about this.
But Flying Borg are still impossible
because "Yee canna change the laws of physics"
Not if they were deep enough in a part of the ship where the heat couldn't affect them as badly. Nor is it unthinkable that the nanites couldn't affect some kind of repairs despite the blistering cold - the Borg are nothing if not adaptable, so extreme temperature functionality isn't a stretch of the imagination. No, the cold or fall isn't what would have killed them...
Rather, the impact would have. No inertial dampers means the moment the flaming bits of Borg sphere hit the ground, anything that wasn't nailed down would have slammed against a wall or floor or what have you at ludicrous speed. That would have destroyed the drones pretty effectively. Or at least the biological bits.
*puts down his mug* Guys, have the two of you considered opening another thread named "What is canon and how crispy are Borg after planetfall"?
I never once discussed Borg with him in this thread. Just saying...
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
1) The Borg beamed over to the Enterprise E during the destruction of their vessel. It is also possible that they beamed some Borg down to Earth where they were overcome by the elements.
2) The Borg lost their link with the collective when they traveled back in time, which is why they were trying to build a beacon. Also, there is an episode of Voyager where 7 of 9 and her Borg companions lose their connection with the collective and they still attempt to contact the Borg collective despite that, which is exactly what the Borg in First Contact and Enterprise were attempting to do.
And yet in First Contact, the vampires.. I mean, Borg all flat out died when the head vampire.. I mean, the Borg Queen died.
Consistency? What's that?
old canon stands over new (same way the Bible stands over the Church news letter)
That's a terrible analogy, but I get your meaning.
Unfortunately, you're working under an incorrect interpretation of the concept of non-religious canon. In turn, everything you base on that interpretation is inherently flawed.
Educate yourself on how canon works before you try to argue canon again.
That's a terrible analogy, but I get your meaning.
Unfortunately, you're working under an incorrect interpretation of the concept of non-religious canon. In turn, everything you base on that interpretation is inherently flawed.
Educate yourself on how canon works before you try to argue canon again.
Let me give you some REALLY good advice
let it drop
Im trying to do exactly that but people will insist no trying to change the universe
Let me give you some REALLY good advice
let it drop
You got me there, I must admit.
So yeah, on topic, I really really do want a Romulan faction, and I'm not really all that upset we didn't get crafting revamp or exploration instead even though those really need work.
They need to do one of those next,, though. Badly.
Take it up with the BBC they have it copyrighted (along with "torchwood" "Doctor who" "Tardis" and "Dalek")
A Trademark stems from using a word in a particular way - as an image or symbol for a particular thing. For example, Marvel Comics owns the Trademark to Captain Marvel. DC comics has a character named Captain Marvel. DC cannot put the name Captain Marvel on the cover of a comic book without violating Marvel's Trademark, but they can still use the character's name through-out the book. Why? Because the name on the cover is considered a Trademark - a representation of a character. The words Captain Marvel cannot be copyrighted and thus can be used without incident through-out the books, though.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
It's a good think they never did any retcon in Star Trek, eh?
Oh wait...
Haha.
Watching the TOS movies after watching the TOS, it's hard to imagine them being in the same setting, everythign is so different, even discounting the many other shows which were even different thematically when compared to each other.
I prefer to settle for them attempting to be internally consistant, so I judge VOY, TNG, and DS9 the same, but wouldn't judge how 'canon' TOS is in relation to TNG because they are practically different settings as it is.
What really raises my hackles though, is that Cryptic has already established what the Romulans are in STO-very close to the TNG-era Romulans, and are now replacing them with a completely different faction. It's like watching a ST show and having it switch and the next season having Picard inexplicably piloting around an NX class? What? Why? It came out of nowhere and made no sense...
The RSE is still there.
The NRE is still there.
The Tal Shiar is still there.
The RR will be there too now.
Yes, the RSE will be there, as an antagonistic NPC faction, just like it was before. We will be getting a replacement faction that acts and looks nothing like it.
if you wrote a book called "Dalek Diaries" they would do you under intellectual properties AND copyright
its not the Actual WORD its the concept
You are right. It is the concept that counts. I can use the word Dalek 1,000 times in a book. As long as it doesn't refer to a round mechanical robot that says "exterminate" there is nothing BBC can do to me. I am not infringing on their IP. Likewise I can use Retcon all day long, and as long as I am not referring to the same concept as BBC they can also not do anything to me.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
You are right. It is the concept that counts. I can use the word Dalek 1,000 times in a book. As long as it doesn't refer to a round mechanical robot that says "exterminate" there is nothing BBC can do to me. I am not infringing on their IP. Likewise I can use Retcon all day long, and as long as I am not referring to the same concept as BBC they can also not do anything to me.
Not really. Copyright/trademark law is a tricky thing. If your use is close enough that it could be shown to cause harm to the IP, you're pretty screwed.
Not really. Copyright/trademark law is a tricky thing. If your use is close enough that it could be shown to cause harm to the IP, you're pretty screwed.
Again, I will take you back to the Captain Marvel example. Marvel cannot stop DC from using Captain Marvel in their comics because that character does not resemble Marvel's character of the same name, even though they are both superheroes.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
Personally, I do want the Romulan faction because the Klingon faction only really has a different story line to replace the fed side of the klingon/fed war, after that it's all basically the same missions as the fed campaign which tells me that someone wasn't trying, I'm REALLY hoping that someone uses some imagination for the rommies.
Having said that, I don't get this part; long-winded, tension building countdown, make people hold their breath, a chorus of "ONLY ONE MORE DAY TO GO!", the countdown timer hits zero, people look on with bated breath, finally, the moment has arrived, we get the message "we're releasing it in two months" :eek::mad:
I, for one, rolled my eyes in disgust. "Epic countdown to the moment when we tell you to wait for two months.". Cryptic, um, I hate to sound like a negative voice here but wtf? O.o
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I'm not THAT difficult to please, I just have a very low tolerance threshold for stupid BS! - George Carlin.
When i started play this game , i wanted play for Romulan. So any Romulans weren't here , i wanted play for Orion in KDF but i must first played for FED.
From May you can start three different faction on 1st level. What do you want more?
If you want more fed or kdf content , play foundry missions.
When i started play this game , i wanted play for Romulan. So any Romulans weren't here , i wanted play for Orion in KDF but i must first played for FED.
From May you can start three different faction on 1st level. What do you want more?
If you want more fed or kdf content , play foundry missions.
You are right. This is vast improvement for the KDF, and the foundry is always there for you.
Let us wear Swimsuits on Foundry maps or bridges please! I would pay zen for that.
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meanwhile let the others get back to their discussion huh
before we BOTH wind up in the brig
This is not how canon works. New canon always supercedes old canon unless an authority present during or after the new canon otherwise refutes it.
Therefor, because Gene isn't alive to Word of God Enterprise or JJTrek away and neither CBS nor Paramount has said otherwise, those things are canon officially, end of story.
This of course does not rule out an individual's personal canon - people can pick and choose what they accept as canon or not regardless of what officials may say. They are of course technically wrong in doing so, but it's a mostly harmless thing.
There is no evidence that any other episode was a holodeck program - only the last one. Unless you can show me in every other Enterprise episode where Riker paused the program, I'm afraid you're very wrong about this.
Not if they were deep enough in a part of the ship where the heat couldn't affect them as badly. Nor is it unthinkable that the nanites couldn't affect some kind of repairs despite the blistering cold - the Borg are nothing if not adaptable, so extreme temperature functionality isn't a stretch of the imagination. No, the cold or fall isn't what would have killed them...
Rather, the impact would have. No inertial dampers means the moment the flaming bits of Borg sphere hit the ground, anything that wasn't nailed down would have slammed against a wall or floor or what have you at ludicrous speed. That would have destroyed the drones pretty effectively. Or at least the biological bits.
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I know, but I thought the title sounded nice...and that it wouldn't hurt to put a tiny bit of humour into it either.;)
Oh wait...
And yet in First Contact, the vampires.. I mean, Borg all flat out died when the head vampire.. I mean, the Borg Queen died.
Consistency? What's that?
That's a terrible analogy, but I get your meaning.
Unfortunately, you're working under an incorrect interpretation of the concept of non-religious canon. In turn, everything you base on that interpretation is inherently flawed.
Educate yourself on how canon works before you try to argue canon again.
I Support Disco | Disco is Love | Disco is Life
and refers to a drug that erases memory and causes cancer of the brain stem
Let me give you some REALLY good advice
let it drop
Im trying to do exactly that but people will insist no trying to change the universe
You got me there, I must admit.
So yeah, on topic, I really really do want a Romulan faction, and I'm not really all that upset we didn't get crafting revamp or exploration instead even though those really need work.
They need to do one of those next,, though. Badly.
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Technically retcon was part of common language from the 80's and existed long before the BBC used it.
Besides, you can't copyright a word. You can register it as a trademark. You can't register a common term as a trademark though.
/cough
You don't understand copyright law, do you? Don't understand the difference between copyright, trademark, registered trademark, etc, etc, etc...eh?
Dalek is not copyrighted. Dalek is trademarked. Registered sometime in the 60's, no?
if you wrote a book called "Dalek Diaries" they would do you under intellectual properties AND copyright
its not the Actual WORD its the concept
But i give up
Try and make a small joke and you get mauled by the Borg
Watching the TOS movies after watching the TOS, it's hard to imagine them being in the same setting, everythign is so different, even discounting the many other shows which were even different thematically when compared to each other.
I prefer to settle for them attempting to be internally consistant, so I judge VOY, TNG, and DS9 the same, but wouldn't judge how 'canon' TOS is in relation to TNG because they are practically different settings as it is.
What really raises my hackles though, is that Cryptic has already established what the Romulans are in STO-very close to the TNG-era Romulans, and are now replacing them with a completely different faction. It's like watching a ST show and having it switch and the next season having Picard inexplicably piloting around an NX class? What? Why? It came out of nowhere and made no sense...
The NRE is still there.
The Tal Shiar is still there.
The RR will be there too now.
anyways, back to the original topic, I've actually been saving several character slots for this purpose.
My character Tsin'xing
Not really. Copyright/trademark law is a tricky thing. If your use is close enough that it could be shown to cause harm to the IP, you're pretty screwed.
Having said that, I don't get this part; long-winded, tension building countdown, make people hold their breath, a chorus of "ONLY ONE MORE DAY TO GO!", the countdown timer hits zero, people look on with bated breath, finally, the moment has arrived, we get the message "we're releasing it in two months" :eek:
I, for one, rolled my eyes in disgust. "Epic countdown to the moment when we tell you to wait for two months.". Cryptic, um, I hate to sound like a negative voice here but wtf? O.o
I'm not THAT difficult to please, I just have a very low tolerance threshold for stupid BS! - George Carlin.
From May you can start three different faction on 1st level. What do you want more?
If you want more fed or kdf content , play foundry missions.
You are right. This is vast improvement for the KDF, and the foundry is always there for you.
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