Anyone know if Free to play players will get an extra slot for romulan character or will they get screwed as well?
I'm pretty sure one of the developers said that the content will be accessible to all (free).
However, like previous content, there would be C-Store options as well as to choose from.
KDF have been winning the Undine war. Feds have been punked time and again. Who are the stupid ones? Who are the guys who have traitors in their faction time and again?
Rubbish... its a case of the Undine are winning their war against the rest of us... All the current wars going on have been a result of Undine evilz...
I did pointed this out before, but in the mission Mine Enemy, one of the Spy Consoles did state Sela was meeting up with the True Way, probably trying to make an alliance with them. So there is a chance for the Romulan Faction may get Cardassians, and possibly Alpha Jem'Hadar. For people who want to play a True Way Faction, this could be a way to Kill 2 Birds with 1 Stone.
I did pointed this out before, but in the mission Mine Enemy, one of the Spy Consoles did state Sela was meeting up with the True Way, probably trying to make an alliance with them. So there is a chance for the Romulan Faction may get Cardassians, and possibly Alpha Jem'Hadar. For people who want to play a True Way Faction, this could be a way to Kill 2 Birds with 1 Stone.
Given the hurdles in balancing 3 factions makes balancing 4 very unlikely.... I'd say this or Aliens with lockbox ships is the best to be hoped for.
No... Remans are the natives of the Romulus system. Romulans are the castaway Vulcans who showed up, enslaved them, and built an empire.
Like the Romulan Alliance System? Of course you do, it sounds fine to you because you aren't Romulans, you're FED or KDF who are going to make a Romulan alt, it makes a HUGE difference in perspective.
Unless the Romulan back story has been retconned they are BOTH descendants of Vulcan.
You must be misreading that quote. It means the Remans are aliens, but the Romulans?
Like Vulcans, would be descended from a Mintakan esque ancient proto humanoid.
The Remans were enslaved by the Romulans when they first came to the Romulan system.
Actually biologically the Vulcans are an offshoot of the Romulans (the Agressive species being the Original biotype)
The Romulans simply left Vulcan when they got sick of Toffu and avocado dip
Actually biologically the Vulcans are an offshoot of the Romulans (the Agressive species being the Original biotype)
The Romulans simply left Vulcan when they got sick of Toffu and avocado dip
I don't believe so, I've always thought that Sargon's precursors were the original bio type.
And to which one species formed, then split into two different, well known sub races.
The Vulcans and Romulans- who evolved separately after the Romulans went star bound.
Although this evolutionary is murky, theorized waters at best. In the official canon at least.
Vulcan fought generational war using holocaust weapons (Atomic)
this is before the split
at the time the people there were pretty much genetically identical to Romulan today
its merely the drift over time (and bad diet) that weakened the vulcan stock so much it produced pandas (breed irregularly and on a tight window , non agressive eat bamboo)
Now this is Just MY theory
but its at least as valid as any other
Vulcan fought generational war using holocaust weapons (Atomic)
this is before the split
at the time the people there were pretty much genetically identical to Romulan today
its merely the drift over time (and bad diet) that weakened the vulcan stock so much it produced pandas (breed irregularly and on a tight window , non agressive eat bamboo)
Now this is Just MY theory
but its at least as valid as any other
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Beta Quadrant species, with really nice ships, that resemble Warbirds.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
Hah, quoted for truth. That being said, I don't think we should be throwing Delta Quadrant races into Alpha & Beta Quadrant ones. The only exception would be the Hirogen cause they don't have a territory as such.
This forum is the first place I've ever heard anyone say the Remans aren't the original Romulan colonists who settled on Remus, where are you getting the information that they are a fully distinct species?
You must be misreading that quote. It means the Remans are aliens, but the Romulans?
Like Vulcans, would be descended from a Mintakan esque ancient proto humanoid.
The Remans were enslaved by the Romulans when they first came to the Romulan system.
Like the Romulan Alliance System? Of course you do, it sounds fine to you because you aren't Romulans, you're FED or KDF who are going to make a Romulan alt, it makes a HUGE difference in perspective.
Hah, quoted for truth. That being said, I don't think we should be throwing Delta Quadrant races into Alpha & Beta Quadrant ones. The only exception would be the Hirogen cause they don't have a territory as such.
They are a Beta Quadrant species .
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
This forum is the first place I've ever heard anyone say the Remans aren't the original Romulan colonists who settled on Remus, where are you getting the information that they are a fully distinct species?
Well, whether they are or not is actually just conjecture. Canon has very few details, and the origin of the Reman race is one detail that is absent.
Actually, Voyager first introduced the Hirogen. I'm pretty sure they didn't contact Starfleet from the Delta Quadrant, using something located in the Beta Quadrant.
Infinite possibilities have implications that could not be completely understood if you turned this entire universe into a giant supercomputer.
This forum is the first place I've ever heard anyone say the Remans aren't the original Romulan colonists who settled on Remus, where are you getting the information that they are a fully distinct species?
Ah, excuse me, I forget the novels. But sometimes I don't really consider them canon.
Due to their connection to Pocket Books, which has quite a few 'unofficial' writings.
Without the novels to hand detail, the Remans just lived in the Romulus system, were
interrupted by the invading Romulans- then became a slave caste in the Romulan Star
Empire. So the Remans are just aliens in this scenario, without any real background.
You'll have to excuse the little forgetful mix up there.
Actually, Voyager first introduced the Hirogen. I'm pretty sure they didn't contact Starfleet from the Delta Quadrant, using something located in the Beta Quadrant.
Actually... one of the things Janeway learned about the Hirogen is that their nomadic tendencies had caused them to spread themselves so far and wide that long before she met them they already had spread to the Beta quadrant.
Actually... one of the things Janeway learned about the Hirogen is that their nomadic tendencies had caused them to spread themselves so far and wide that long before she met them they already had spread to the Beta quadrant.
I see. My mistake, then.
Infinite possibilities have implications that could not be completely understood if you turned this entire universe into a giant supercomputer.
I'm ok with it just being the Romulans, the Remans and the alien character creator.
I dont think you need to try and cram every species you can think of into a faction, just because the feds are multipe species and the KDF have a big alliance going on.
I would totally rule out the Hirogen as it seems we are playing the Romulan republic, the break way faction and the Hirogen are our enemies and one of the established bad guys of the game.
while im sure people can argue the point of a renagade hirogen who sympathies with the romulans, it is stretching it a bit. id rather seem them limited to species boffs or something like the breen was.
Unless the Romulan back story has been retconned they are BOTH descendants of Vulcan.
Well, they were invented for Nemesis, and in the novelization for Nemesis they were described as
The Remans were created as a response to the challenge of devising a new, terrifying alien race for Nemesis. "The idea of the Remans being vampirelike slaves, laboring away in the dilithium mines, never seeing the sun, grew out of our desire to create a truly monstrous race," recalled John Logan. "It seemed obvious to me that the Romulans would subjugate some other race to dig dilithium for them. Much too messy for our pristine and elegant Romulans." (Star Trek Nemesis (novel), pp. xviii & xix)
Anything written before Nemesis will not include Remans, anything written after the novelization would be retconning. Anything written in a Vulcan's Soul trilogy with no connection to hard canon would be considered soft canon and disregarded when it contradicts.
I'm ok with it just being the Romulans, the Remans and the alien character creator.
I dont think you need to try and cram every species you can think of into a faction, just because the feds are multipe species and the KDF have a big alliance going on.
I would totally rule out the Hirogen as it seems we are playing the Romulan republic, the break way faction and the Hirogen are our enemies and one of the established bad guys of the game.
while im sure people can argue the point of a renagade hirogen who sympathies with the romulans, it is stretching it a bit. id rather seem them limited to species boffs or something like the breen was.
I wouldn't mind Hirogen being included because:
They're mercenaries occupying Romulan space.
A standalone Hirogen faction would never happen.
I'm not necessarily in favor of willy hilly faction inclusion but I think iconic species that would be unlikely to support a full faction should be folded in elsewhere.
That said, I'd be totally cool with Cryptic just doing a fourth "non-aligned" faction with Chalnoth, Hirogen, Nausicaans, Ferengi, Letheans, Bajorans, humans (without Teamwork), discommended Klingons (with a dishonored trait), Liberated Borg, Bajorans, and maybe Cardassian soldiers of fortune who left the Cardassian Union.
Maybe establish a mosaic colony world that they're all based on. General profiteering and shady tactics. Going on missions for the True Way, Section 31, the Tal Shiar, whoever pays.
The Ktarians and Yridians are hard to deny that they would work quite well with this
Romulan Republic faction. One fits aesthetically, the other? mentally. There's even room
in both societies histories to allow for former inclusion into the Romulan Star Empire.
I'm not quite sure why some are arguing for Yridians. That's like arguing for Hep-C. The only redeeming quality of the species is that one was once depicted by an actor who played other, better parts.
Actually biologically the Vulcans are an offshoot of the Romulans (the Agressive species being the Original biotype)
The Romulans simply left Vulcan when they got sick of Toffu and avocado dip
I have never, ever, ever liked Nemesis' take on Remus.
I find it absurd that the Romulans would give such reverence and attention to the "twin homeworlds" of the RSE when one of them is essentially a barely habitable garbage dump and home to a slave race.
I've never had a problem with Nemesis' depiction of Remans, largely due to my belief that the movie gets a worse rap than it deserves. Don't get me wrong, it's not a great movie. But I don't think the problems the movie has are conceptual, with the exceptions of the murky nature of how and when B4 was made and the retconning of Picard's hair as a lad.
The movie isn't great because the director didn't get solid performances out of the cast, the totally unecessary and unwanted sex-scene with aged and out of shape actors that had little business soft-coring it, weird vehicle sequences, and some cheesy writing in spots (not all, but some.)
I stand by the belief that Nemesis is not only not the worst movie ever, it is not even by far the worst Star Trek movie. I mean, c'mon. Have you seen Star Trek V? And you know what? Star Trek IV too. Save the whales? Seriously? What kind of stupid, PETA-TRIBBLE$ sh*t is that? What a dumb movie. :rolleyes:
If I were cryptic I would make it Remans and Romulans only. If people want something else they can customize a wierd alien themselves and look foolish.
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I'm pretty sure one of the developers said that the content will be accessible to all (free).
However, like previous content, there would be C-Store options as well as to choose from.
Rubbish... its a case of the Undine are winning their war against the rest of us... All the current wars going on have been a result of Undine evilz...
Given the hurdles in balancing 3 factions makes balancing 4 very unlikely.... I'd say this or Aliens with lockbox ships is the best to be hoped for.
You must be misreading that quote. It means the Remans are aliens, but the Romulans?
Like Vulcans, would be descended from a Mintakan esque ancient proto humanoid.
The Remans were enslaved by the Romulans when they first came to the Romulan system.
The Romulans simply left Vulcan when they got sick of Toffu and avocado dip
I don't believe so, I've always thought that Sargon's precursors were the original bio type.
And to which one species formed, then split into two different, well known sub races.
The Vulcans and Romulans- who evolved separately after the Romulans went star bound.
Although this evolutionary is murky, theorized waters at best. In the official canon at least.
this is before the split
at the time the people there were pretty much genetically identical to Romulan today
its merely the drift over time (and bad diet) that weakened the vulcan stock so much it produced pandas (breed irregularly and on a tight window , non agressive eat bamboo)
Now this is Just MY theory
but its at least as valid as any other
Haha, you silly man. :rolleyes:
Beta Quadrant species, with really nice ships, that resemble Warbirds.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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The sides of their heads appear to be melting.
They are a Beta Quadrant species
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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Actually, Voyager first introduced the Hirogen. I'm pretty sure they didn't contact Starfleet from the Delta Quadrant, using something located in the Beta Quadrant.
Infinite possibilities have implications that could not be completely understood if you turned this entire universe into a giant supercomputer.
Ah, excuse me, I forget the novels. But sometimes I don't really consider them canon.
Due to their connection to Pocket Books, which has quite a few 'unofficial' writings.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek_canon#Fiction_novels
Without the novels to hand detail, the Remans just lived in the Romulus system, were
interrupted by the invading Romulans- then became a slave caste in the Romulan Star
Empire. So the Remans are just aliens in this scenario, without any real background.
You'll have to excuse the little forgetful mix up there.
My character Tsin'xing
I see. My mistake, then.
Infinite possibilities have implications that could not be completely understood if you turned this entire universe into a giant supercomputer.
I dont think you need to try and cram every species you can think of into a faction, just because the feds are multipe species and the KDF have a big alliance going on.
I would totally rule out the Hirogen as it seems we are playing the Romulan republic, the break way faction and the Hirogen are our enemies and one of the established bad guys of the game.
while im sure people can argue the point of a renagade hirogen who sympathies with the romulans, it is stretching it a bit. id rather seem them limited to species boffs or something like the breen was.
Romulan (obviously)
Reman (^^^)
Alien (^^^ x2)
Hirogen (seeing as Sela is our boss.. It wouldnt suprise me if she has som Hirogen mucle lurking about)
Cannon Fodder Race #1 (somting that matches the cat/fers stats)
Cannon Foder Race #2 (Somethin useless... Pakled/klingon XD)
Well, they were invented for Nemesis, and in the novelization for Nemesis they were described as
The Remans were created as a response to the challenge of devising a new, terrifying alien race for Nemesis. "The idea of the Remans being vampirelike slaves, laboring away in the dilithium mines, never seeing the sun, grew out of our desire to create a truly monstrous race," recalled John Logan. "It seemed obvious to me that the Romulans would subjugate some other race to dig dilithium for them. Much too messy for our pristine and elegant Romulans." (Star Trek Nemesis (novel), pp. xviii & xix)
Anything written before Nemesis will not include Remans, anything written after the novelization would be retconning. Anything written in a Vulcan's Soul trilogy with no connection to hard canon would be considered soft canon and disregarded when it contradicts.
I wouldn't mind Hirogen being included because:
They're mercenaries occupying Romulan space.
A standalone Hirogen faction would never happen.
I'm not necessarily in favor of willy hilly faction inclusion but I think iconic species that would be unlikely to support a full faction should be folded in elsewhere.
That said, I'd be totally cool with Cryptic just doing a fourth "non-aligned" faction with Chalnoth, Hirogen, Nausicaans, Ferengi, Letheans, Bajorans, humans (without Teamwork), discommended Klingons (with a dishonored trait), Liberated Borg, Bajorans, and maybe Cardassian soldiers of fortune who left the Cardassian Union.
Maybe establish a mosaic colony world that they're all based on. General profiteering and shady tactics. Going on missions for the True Way, Section 31, the Tal Shiar, whoever pays.
I'm not quite sure why some are arguing for Yridians. That's like arguing for Hep-C. The only redeeming quality of the species is that one was once depicted by an actor who played other, better parts.
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I've never had a problem with Nemesis' depiction of Remans, largely due to my belief that the movie gets a worse rap than it deserves. Don't get me wrong, it's not a great movie. But I don't think the problems the movie has are conceptual, with the exceptions of the murky nature of how and when B4 was made and the retconning of Picard's hair as a lad.
The movie isn't great because the director didn't get solid performances out of the cast, the totally unecessary and unwanted sex-scene with aged and out of shape actors that had little business soft-coring it, weird vehicle sequences, and some cheesy writing in spots (not all, but some.)
I stand by the belief that Nemesis is not only not the worst movie ever, it is not even by far the worst Star Trek movie. I mean, c'mon. Have you seen Star Trek V? And you know what? Star Trek IV too. Save the whales? Seriously? What kind of stupid, PETA-TRIBBLE$ sh*t is that? What a dumb movie. :rolleyes: