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Kumari is now, OP
brokenmirror2012
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Now that you've fixed the bugs, the kumari is one of the tankyest ships, with some of the highest DPS in STO...
Proposed ways to fix:
Lower Shield Mult to 0.6 And Lower hull base to 29k. That way its a true glass cannon.
Other ways ofc
Make Cannons unique to 4. No more then 4 DHCs/DCs on a ship at once. 5 DHCs is destructively powerful.
Everyone whos argument is Power drain: Please do some math.
Normal Escort 4 DHCs 12 each. 3 Turrets 8 each.
12x4+3x8=72 Power... Sustainable through Power buffs, where u can stay above 100 power.
Kumari
5 DHCs at 12 power 2 turrets at 8 power.
12x5+2x8=76.
All you people complaining about drain: Why? What does FOUR power do? Its FOUR Power, Its very manageable to compensate for FOUR more power. Come on, if I can sustain 4 DHCs/3 turrets in a JHAS with 101-105 power, I can sustain a Kumari with 5 DHCs and 2 turrets at 98-102 power.
POWER IS NOT AN ISSUE.
Proposed ways to fix:
Lower Shield Mult to 0.6 And Lower hull base to 29k. That way its a true glass cannon.
Other ways ofc
Make Cannons unique to 4. No more then 4 DHCs/DCs on a ship at once. 5 DHCs is destructively powerful.
Everyone whos argument is Power drain: Please do some math.
Normal Escort 4 DHCs 12 each. 3 Turrets 8 each.
12x4+3x8=72 Power... Sustainable through Power buffs, where u can stay above 100 power.
Kumari
5 DHCs at 12 power 2 turrets at 8 power.
12x5+2x8=76.
All you people complaining about drain: Why? What does FOUR power do? Its FOUR Power, Its very manageable to compensate for FOUR more power. Come on, if I can sustain 4 DHCs/3 turrets in a JHAS with 101-105 power, I can sustain a Kumari with 5 DHCs and 2 turrets at 98-102 power.
POWER IS NOT AN ISSUE.
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but I do have to state, it is very much a glass cannon, I have been killed so many times it aint funny anymore, but I do some considerable damage before I die so yea...there is that.
As for the shields, damage is quite harsh on them, three shots and shields are gone, but again the hull reps very freaking fast.
As to damage, if anything its still under powered. The versions that have any survivability lack a 5th tac console slot like the jem hadar attack ship has, and the one that does have the 5th tac console has what has to be the worst boff layout i have ever seen, even worse than than the fleet defiant and that takes some effort.
For $50 I expect a powerful ship, this one so far has been nothing but a let down and I will probably go back to my jem hadar attack ship if its not improved. Considering what a revolutionary ship the Vesta set was for science officers this ship set is a joke so far.
Nerfing anything is bad, just work around the problems or buy the ship.
This ship introduces the 5 cannon capability in a ship... that can tank like Escorts with 4 Cannons, and turn like escorts with 4 cannons. In no way is 1 extra cannon worth... 1 less turret. IN ANY WORLD
Ones bad enough. Run into a pack of them and the games not even worth the effort. I don't really understand how this contributes to the betterment of the game of PvP.
The other two lose the 5th Tac console slot in favour of more survivability, which is the trade off.
Almost every PVP match I've played since the beginning of STO the Klingons seem totally overpowered and the majority of matches the Klingons clean house.
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I Have seen a few of the Kumaris take a beating, but they don't last as long as you think.
and the other fact is, the damage they put out is definately more, you are mistaking OP for minorly unbalanced for specific forms of the kumari, in all three classes the Kumari class is the least able to take a hit, even the Kyzon class cant take much of a beating. the Charal class can take a few hits before getting taken down.
three shots on the Kumari can wipe its shields, five in the Kyzon can wipe its shields, six in the Charal can wipe its shields. The only difference between the three, the Charon and Kyzon can rep the shields fast, and the Charon can specialize in repairing the hull.
it is supposed to have its damage, it is supposed to be this way. dont cry NERF whenever something new comes to the field. they do some hard damage, and with the right boff setup they can take a beating before quickly dying.
the Fleet Defiant tanks harder than the Kumari does FFS.
when did PvP ever enter the equation? the ships contribute to one thing, and one thing only; keeping the game servers up and running, and the staff paid, since hundreds of thousands of players are sinking money into the things
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If you do this to the ship noone would buy it. 29k hull and 0.6 !!! shield modifier? That would render it useless. This wouldn't be a glass cannon, this would be a joke. A bad one.
The Kumari is already a glass cannon. It has about the least survivability of all escorts. Yes it hits hard, but it also is the easiest one to be blown up. You have to adjust to this ship and find it's weakness to counter it and you can't do in a day since it's release.
People should really be more focused on their own strategy rather than shouting for nerfs all of the time. It has become quite boring by now...
This is a GOOD thing!
Now where's my "Andorian Battle Cloak?"
in your dreams, because as long as the federation continues to honor the treaty of algeron (which i don't understand why they are, since it was made with the romulan star empire, which kind of doesn't exist anymore), no federation member will ever have cloaks on their ships (excluding the obvious special cases like the defiant and galaxy-x)
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I will ripp them out of every Andorian ship myself, even if they are tied to life support.
Also I say Cloaks fine, Battlecloaks not so fine.
I wanna see the KDF get some more unique ships, maybe something to do with unique types of cloaks so unique that the feds will never get them, normal cloaks I am fine with so long as they remain consoles and not an ability of every ship.
It is working as intended. It turns the ship blue
Some people have learned too much from the fine example set by conservatives...
And its not that OP at all. lol turn rate is quite ****ty.
But they are Andorian ships, not specifically Federation.
In TOS they were Space pirates so Andorian Battle Cloak FTW!
Maybe if Cryptic was allowed to share the OP Battle Cloak with the Feds without overwhelming forum rage, the KDF might get some more ships.
Can't get something for nothing.
Klingons don't get much in terms of C-Store ships/etc because they don't sell well enough. It's an unfortunate cyclic issue.
However, giving the Federation more 'toys' wouldn't increase the population Red-side, so it still won't be worth the cost.
They need a population base to justify C-Store content for them specifically. And to get that population base, they need a content base to attract players.
i like the fact that the damage is compareable to a guramba, which so far i always preferred if i was asked to join a stf or such, to set a time record.
some may say, its not "glass-cannon"-enough like.
some may say the damage is not enough, compared how vulnerable it is.
i would say both are right.
the problem i see though is, if the ship would be made more vulnerable, then it would need a damage boost.
and vice versa, if it would be more tougher, shield/hull wise, then it would need a damage reduction.
for now i stick to saying, this ship is fun enough for the zen value, but there will be enough people who wouldnt agree with me.
my engineer will continue to fly the dkora though, my tac will fly the kumari for now, but my sci captain, might return to the wells class.
if my tac kdf char would have the option between guramba and kumari, i'd choose guramba.
if my engi kdf char must choose between chel grett /bop or kumari, i'd choose the cherel kumari.
Sirius - Tactical Kumari / Hatschy - Tactical Scimitar
lil - Engineer Corvette / Dark - Tactical Guramba
andoria is a federation member, and as such is bound by its laws and treaties
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In TOS, they were members of the Federation.
And here's the thing about the Kumari. It's weak when you get out of its front arc. You use CC to beat it and you can do that consistently. Just force it not to face you and you're good.
It's not terribly OP I think. It just requires a specific strategy.
It's especially vulnerable against other escorts and science vessels if run well.
I'd wager it mostly only seems OP if you're in a cruiser and I'm inclined to say that cruisers are underpowered.
Mainly, I think cruisers just need more turn and significant resistance buffs... and trying to get DPS out of a cruiser in a competitive setting tends to miss the point.
I'd also say PvP needs work. PvP shouldn't be a damage game and dueling is something PvP shouldn't be designed around. Well designed PvP emphasizes roles and not everyone's role is damage.
But something doesn't need nerfed because cruisers are underpowered. Cruisers need buffed.
And science or escorts who can't tuch the Kumari need to rethink their builds.
amen to that; i'm of the opinion that no ship in the game should have a turn rate of less than 7, unless they're truly massive like cubes, certain dreadnaughts, and unimatrix command vessels
#LegalizeAwoo
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A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
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"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Its sad and funny that I had jokingly said in another thread that maybe the Devs made some uberships to massage wounded egoes.
Its sadder still that maybe some actually believe they do need such vessels because they did not see the fine weapons they already possesed.
R.I.P
And the first is probably only very slightly. Stop QQn for once and come with facts.
I regret spending 5000 zen on it anyway it doesnt loook that cool at al, i wanted a tholian mesh weaver as escort :C
MT idk about u, but id LOVE to run 4 DHCs and a BO3 at once. 40k Crit with the DPS of a defiant... Im sorry. What were u saying?
weapons battery, or EPtW, or EPS power transfer, or any other number of things that can instantly restore weapons power after a BO strike
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"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"