are you going by that image they just recently released or do you have the exact numbers on hand of Old Subs vs New Subs?
That is exactly the point I'm trying to make. I don't have that information, and neither does anyone else on this forum. Saying ZOMG CRYPTIC IZ LOOZING MUNEES!!!1111!!!!!!! without the financial statements to back that up is... yeah. Fact is we don't know.
Of course they are. Subs leave all the time with every game. There is another side to the equation though. Can you say with absolute certainty those losses aren't being fully offset by new subs?
Can you prove with absolute certainty those losses are being offset by new subs?
Asking questions like this is pointless since we, the players, are not privy to their books, metrics etc.
Lost and Delirious... and Disenchanted too Apparently some forum posters have diplomatic immunity nowadays, where can I get mine?
Please, don't turn this thread into a poo-throwing competition or the Mods will close it. We need to keep it relevant to the issues at hand and pointing fingers at each other isn't going to accomplish anything.
Where did I say I saw "the revenue stats"? In fact, I said the exact opposite. I haven't. Therefore any statement I make regarding Cryptic's bottom line is a guess at best. We won't get into what it would be at worst.
But what we've been saying is this is TRIBBLE but here's what you can do to fix. And it goes in one ear and out the other. WE WANT STO to succeed.
Looks like we're not the only fan/player base of a major IP MMORPG finding that the goalposts are being shifted.
SWTOR Forum thread
Still not as hot an issue as it is here, but then again we have a "few" other issues that we would like settled, this latest one just seems to have tipped the balance...
And purely as a side question:
If this game is supposed to be the IP of CBS, who themselves are more than aware of the great influence of a LARGE and VOCIFEROUS, even at times FANATICAL fanbase that spend a great deal of real money on their IP... Are/should they be aware of how this fanbase is reacting to a licensed commercial product, based on that IP?
the point im making although TOR.. though having a finicial back STO of late has not.. its relying on the backing ot perfect world and though i dont like stahl's decisions you have to admit folks he is governed by the chineese company he ultimatley works for... they have an agenda to make mony and not creativity.. as a result cryptic has had a turn over of staff of many creative personsel...
alas though aside smoketh2 is quite correct in his assesment same content (lack of progresss to sum it up) this game is now turned into the startrek equivilant of Fly For Fun (or even worse).. JJ ABRAHAMS alternate time line drival for creative content.. this is a cash cow and not a game any more and the more the content is re organised and re organised and re organised to fuel revenue than game play then you can guarentee folks are gonna be ****** especialy on a popular franchise like Star Trek.
at the rate this is going.. it will end up RIGHT NOW! like STAR TREK LEGACY was with this latest divelopment as that game was out of the BOX!.. THINK ABOUT IT FOLKS
don't give them ideas there, next mission might come in a lock box. but being here for the entire length of the game the whole 3 years even beta access, I pretty much know each mission from the back of my hand, I have 13 toon in all, 10 Fed and 3 KDF.
Quite right, I guess the sarcasm didn't come through all that well and they probably would take it as an idea! :eek:
Its sad, 189 pages of posts and ignored completely by the Devs... They honestly don't care so lets just give up and go do something else. This is a lost cause.
But what we've been saying is this is TRIBBLE but here's what you can do to fix. And it goes in one ear and out the other. WE WANT STO to succeed.
Absolutely 1000% agreed. If I was happy with the state of affairs I would be playing. Don't misunderstand. I'm not apologizing for anything Cryptic has done in this. They are dead wrong and it needs to be addressed. Period. My point is simply speculating on the financial health of the company is pointless.
Its sad, 189 pages of posts and ignored completely by the Devs... They honestly don't care so lets just give up and go do something else. This is a lost cause.
The silence is deafening... both here and on Twitter.
Its sad, 189 pages of posts and ignored completely by the Devs... They honestly don't care so lets just give up and go do something else. This is a lost cause.
Never surrender.
Lost and Delirious... and Disenchanted too Apparently some forum posters have diplomatic immunity nowadays, where can I get mine?
I don't think anything's being ignored. Silence is usually preferable from a RP standpoint than a hasty conciliatory announcement that subsequently must be overturned.
Pulling fleet marks off the foundry missions wasn't the problem. The problem was that whole lot of otherwise content players were effectively told that the would need to now spend several more man-months in order to get their fleet bases up to snuff and buying keen fleet gear would take even more time.
I'm fairly certain that there's a potential solution in there, but the fact that it wasn't implemented at the same time that FMs were pulled from the Foundry says that someone somewhere's grasp of scheduling could probably use some work.
Its sad, 189 pages of posts and ignored completely by the Devs... They honestly don't care so lets just give up and go do something else. This is a lost cause.
that attitude is the wrong answer, not trying to be harsh on you but we need to make a stand so we get the game that we wanted really see. As I have stated I've been here from the get go, I love Star Trek, I believe in Gene Roddenberry's dream. I had the year by year sub back when they had it and loved it then.
"I rather believe that time is a companion who goes with us on the journey, and reminds us to cherish every moment... because they'll never come again. What we leave behind is not as important as how we lived" Picard to Riker
that attitude is the wrong answer, not trying to be harsh on you but we need to make a stand so we get the game that we wanted really see. As I have stated I've been here from the get go, I love Star Trek, I believe in Gene Roddenberry's dream. I had the year by year sub back when they had it and loved it then.
I've been doing that since the start and all I get is called a "TROLL"
Absolutely 1000% agreed. If I was happy with the state of affairs I would be playing. Don't misunderstand. I'm not apologizing for anything Cryptic has done in this. They are dead wrong and it needs to be addressed. Period. My point is simply speculating on the financial health of the company is pointless.
But wether the company is in finacial is okay. but them losing revnue should make them notice. So far we haven't seen them do any to correct it but rather mess with things that are okay and now are gone. Great example is Tholian Red Alert. It's broke, you can't play it and rather than fix that they eliminate fleet marks in foundry. now which should have priority
hey, if you want to give up then fine. Plenty more brassed off players around here.
The problem is, even if Cryptic does resolve this... so much has to be done to repair the game and public faith in Cryptic... I dunno if its possible? Is it?
I've been doing that since the start and all I get is called a "TROLL"
all I can say man is don't give up, keep up the good fight.
"I rather believe that time is a companion who goes with us on the journey, and reminds us to cherish every moment... because they'll never come again. What we leave behind is not as important as how we lived" Picard to Riker
It's now 190 pages and close to 1900 posts, not including that 75 page thread that was closed, nor the Klingon and Federation in game protest pages.
Now is not the time to be defeatist, nor is it time to turn against each other. Only a strong united front will show we aren't going to lay down anymore.
How the Devs see Star Trek, apparently:
Star Trek: The Original Grind
Star Trek: The Next Grind
Star Trek: Deep Space Grind
Star Trek: Voyage to the Grind
The problem is, even if Cryptic does resolve this... so much has to be done to repair the game and public faith in Cryptic... I dunno if its possible? Is it?
It certainly isn't if we do what you propose.
NOTHING VENTURED = NOTHING GAINED.
The problem is, even if Cryptic does resolve this... so much has to be done to repair the game and public faith in Cryptic... I dunno if its possible? Is it?
So, you give up...good for you, hope you sleep better now, yada yada. In the meantime, is it really necessary to talk the rest of us into your defeatist attitude?
Lost and Delirious... and Disenchanted too Apparently some forum posters have diplomatic immunity nowadays, where can I get mine?
Its sad, 189 pages of posts and ignored completely by the Devs... They honestly don't care so lets just give up and go do something else. This is a lost cause.
The initial post was on a Thursday. Stahl posted a second time later that day. Brandon posted letting us know feedback was continuously being collected on a weekend, Saturday IIRC. Today is Monday; the people capable of making decisions just got back to work today and doubtless have a massive pile of feedback, both intelligent and otherwise, to look through.
Tuesday. Tomorrow. If we don't get a reply by the end of the day Tuesday, then whine about being ignored. Believe it or not, it takes time to consider responses and possible solutions.
The initial post was on a Thursday. Stahl posted a second time later that day. Brandon posted letting us know feedback was continuously being collected on a weekend, Saturday IIRC. Today is Monday; the people capable of making decisions just got back to work today and doubtless have a massive pile of feedback, both intelligent and otherwise, to look through.
Tuesday. Tomorrow. If we don't get a reply by the end of the day Tuesday, then whine about being ignored. Believe it or not, it takes time to consider responses and possible solutions.
They have to take metrics first:rolleyes:
Lost and Delirious... and Disenchanted too Apparently some forum posters have diplomatic immunity nowadays, where can I get mine?
The initial post was on a Thursday. Stahl posted a second time later that day. Brandon posted letting us know feedback was continuously being collected on a weekend, Saturday IIRC. Today is Monday; the people capable of making decisions just got back to work today and doubtless have a massive pile of feedback, both intelligent and otherwise, to look through.
Tuesday. Tomorrow. If we don't get a reply by the end of the day Tuesday, then whine about being ignored. Believe it or not, it takes time to consider responses and possible solutions.
Monday was a holiday here in the US, I might give it until early Wednesday.
How the Devs see Star Trek, apparently:
Star Trek: The Original Grind
Star Trek: The Next Grind
Star Trek: Deep Space Grind
Star Trek: Voyage to the Grind
It's now 190 pages and close to 1900 posts, not including that 75 page thread that was closed, nor the Klingon and Federation in game protest pages.
Now is not the time to be defeatist, nor is it time to turn against each other. Only a strong united front will show we aren't going to lay down anymore.
Yes, you are right, the Federations and the KDF need to act as one! We should be united in this cause and make Cryptic listen!
I am sorry for being so defeatist and I fully support revolutionary action.
I don't think anything's being ignored. Silence is usually preferable from a RP standpoint than a hasty conciliatory announcement that subsequently must be overturned.
Pulling fleet marks off the foundry missions wasn't the problem. The problem was that whole lot of otherwise content players were effectively told that the would need to now spend several more man-months in order to get their fleet bases up to snuff and buying keen fleet gear would take even more time.
I'm fairly certain that there's a potential solution in there, but the fact that it wasn't implemented at the same time that FMs were pulled from the Foundry says that someone somewhere's grasp of scheduling could probably use some work.
Exactly the point... the thread has turned into a last straw over many things but it all could have been handled differently to begin with. Now it's time at least restore some confidence and put the marks back in game somewhere under similarly timed missions until such time they have a more permanent solution to implement. It's been this way for 6 months whats 3 more? Let this be the motivation to get your changes in game sooner.
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That is exactly the point I'm trying to make. I don't have that information, and neither does anyone else on this forum. Saying ZOMG CRYPTIC IZ LOOZING MUNEES!!!1111!!!!!!! without the financial statements to back that up is... yeah. Fact is we don't know.
Can you prove with absolute certainty those losses are being offset by new subs?
Asking questions like this is pointless since we, the players, are not privy to their books, metrics etc.
Apparently some forum posters have diplomatic immunity nowadays, where can I get mine? [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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But what we've been saying is this is TRIBBLE but here's what you can do to fix. And it goes in one ear and out the other. WE WANT STO to succeed.
SWTOR Forum thread
Still not as hot an issue as it is here, but then again we have a "few" other issues that we would like settled, this latest one just seems to have tipped the balance...
And purely as a side question:
If this game is supposed to be the IP of CBS, who themselves are more than aware of the great influence of a LARGE and VOCIFEROUS, even at times FANATICAL fanbase that spend a great deal of real money on their IP... Are/should they be aware of how this fanbase is reacting to a licensed commercial product, based on that IP?
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alas though aside smoketh2 is quite correct in his assesment same content (lack of progresss to sum it up) this game is now turned into the startrek equivilant of Fly For Fun (or even worse).. JJ ABRAHAMS alternate time line drival for creative content.. this is a cash cow and not a game any more and the more the content is re organised and re organised and re organised to fuel revenue than game play then you can guarentee folks are gonna be ****** especialy on a popular franchise like Star Trek.
at the rate this is going.. it will end up RIGHT NOW! like STAR TREK LEGACY was with this latest divelopment as that game was out of the BOX!.. THINK ABOUT IT FOLKS
Quite right, I guess the sarcasm didn't come through all that well and they probably would take it as an idea! :eek:
Absolutely 1000% agreed. If I was happy with the state of affairs I would be playing. Don't misunderstand. I'm not apologizing for anything Cryptic has done in this. They are dead wrong and it needs to be addressed. Period. My point is simply speculating on the financial health of the company is pointless.
The silence is deafening... both here and on Twitter.
Never surrender.
Apparently some forum posters have diplomatic immunity nowadays, where can I get mine? [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
It doesn't fit in my metrics right now....
Sorry guys. My metrics are what I go by.
Pulling fleet marks off the foundry missions wasn't the problem. The problem was that whole lot of otherwise content players were effectively told that the would need to now spend several more man-months in order to get their fleet bases up to snuff and buying keen fleet gear would take even more time.
I'm fairly certain that there's a potential solution in there, but the fact that it wasn't implemented at the same time that FMs were pulled from the Foundry says that someone somewhere's grasp of scheduling could probably use some work.
that attitude is the wrong answer, not trying to be harsh on you but we need to make a stand so we get the game that we wanted really see. As I have stated I've been here from the get go, I love Star Trek, I believe in Gene Roddenberry's dream. I had the year by year sub back when they had it and loved it then.
"I rather believe that time is a companion who goes with us on the journey, and reminds us to cherish every moment... because they'll never come again. What we leave behind is not as important as how we lived" Picard to Riker
I am so so tempted to steal this for my sig
May I?
I've been doing that since the start and all I get is called a "TROLL"
But wether the company is in finacial is okay. but them losing revnue should make them notice. So far we haven't seen them do any to correct it but rather mess with things that are okay and now are gone. Great example is Tholian Red Alert. It's broke, you can't play it and rather than fix that they eliminate fleet marks in foundry. now which should have priority
hey, if you want to give up then fine. Plenty more brassed off players around here.
The problem is, even if Cryptic does resolve this... so much has to be done to repair the game and public faith in Cryptic... I dunno if its possible? Is it?
all I can say man is don't give up, keep up the good fight.
"I rather believe that time is a companion who goes with us on the journey, and reminds us to cherish every moment... because they'll never come again. What we leave behind is not as important as how we lived" Picard to Riker
Now is not the time to be defeatist, nor is it time to turn against each other. Only a strong united front will show we aren't going to lay down anymore.
Star Trek: The Original Grind
Star Trek: The Next Grind
Star Trek: Deep Space Grind
Star Trek: Voyage to the Grind
It certainly isn't if we do what you propose.
NOTHING VENTURED = NOTHING GAINED.
So, you give up...good for you, hope you sleep better now, yada yada. In the meantime, is it really necessary to talk the rest of us into your defeatist attitude?
Apparently some forum posters have diplomatic immunity nowadays, where can I get mine? [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
The initial post was on a Thursday. Stahl posted a second time later that day. Brandon posted letting us know feedback was continuously being collected on a weekend, Saturday IIRC. Today is Monday; the people capable of making decisions just got back to work today and doubtless have a massive pile of feedback, both intelligent and otherwise, to look through.
Tuesday. Tomorrow. If we don't get a reply by the end of the day Tuesday, then whine about being ignored. Believe it or not, it takes time to consider responses and possible solutions.
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They have to take metrics first:rolleyes:
Apparently some forum posters have diplomatic immunity nowadays, where can I get mine? [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Monday was a holiday here in the US, I might give it until early Wednesday.
Star Trek: The Original Grind
Star Trek: The Next Grind
Star Trek: Deep Space Grind
Star Trek: Voyage to the Grind
Yes, you are right, the Federations and the KDF need to act as one! We should be united in this cause and make Cryptic listen!
I am sorry for being so defeatist and I fully support revolutionary action.
Hear hear, that's more like it
Apparently some forum posters have diplomatic immunity nowadays, where can I get mine? [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Exactly the point... the thread has turned into a last straw over many things but it all could have been handled differently to begin with. Now it's time at least restore some confidence and put the marks back in game somewhere under similarly timed missions until such time they have a more permanent solution to implement. It's been this way for 6 months whats 3 more? Let this be the motivation to get your changes in game sooner.
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