PVE-Team - Theres very little of this in the game, and the best of it requires grinding to be able to play it well.
Your entire argument is nonsensical because no matter what style of player you are you will still be forced into grinding. We are all effected by this state of affairs. The "AFK" (which is incorrect as they are not an autofarm, you can't macro them) missions are a result not of players being willfully malevolent (abusing) and damaging or breaking the game but are a result of the players fixing the game. What the players did was identify a broken area of the game where Cryptic had imposed their "vision" which wasn't realistically in-line with what the customers actually wanted from the game. So the customers looked for a way to fix something that was broken or made the game ****ty and boring to play, I.e. the sinks and lack of FM's in the rest of the game.
What you call "abuse" I call the natural alignment of what players actually want from the game through circumventing the broken and failed vision Cryptic have.
Trust me I appreciate and understand the crappy situation we're all in. And yes, we are all forced to grind. What I was pointing out, is the method of doing so is flawed, and it always was. As far as saying that the missions weren't "autofarm", allow me to clarify what I saw:
1) If you can walk off and have lunch/watch TV/read the forums/etc with little to no input from you at all while the game plays and earns rewards for you, then you are AFK (as in Away From Keyboard)
2) It is not up to the players to "fix" a broken anything in the game. It is certainly not up the the player base to do it using a tactic which is obviously not intended. If you're going to argue that using a storymaking tool to make enemies that don't fight back, or to turn your BOffs into auto-win robots for easy money making isn't wrong, then I don't have much more to say on the matter.
Wembley here I come!!! (4 tickets spare if any of my American Brethren want to see some real Soc... Er I mean Football)...
Only Joking Bran. Please no more. I promise I will be good...:o
Straight from the mouth of one of the leaders of the CDF - "I tell you what, Haven't spent any money either - I'm a lousy freeloader" - Jonsills 17/12/2014
Trust me I appreciate and understand the crappy situation we're all in. And yes, we are all forced to grind. What I was pointing out, is the method of doing so is flawed, and it always was. As far as saying that the missions weren't "autofarm", allow me to clarify what I saw:
1) If you can walk off and have lunch/watch TV/read the forums/etc with little to no input from you at all while the game plays and earns rewards for you, then you are AFK (as in Away From Keyboard)
2) It is not up to the players to "fix" a broken anything in the game. It is certainly not up the the player base to do it using a tactic which is obviously not intended. If you're going to argue with me that using a storymaking tool to make enemies that don't fight back, or to turn your BOffs into auto-win robots for easy money making isn't wrong, then I don't have much more to say on the matter.
At the risk of being confrontational, judging by the sigs it seems to me that the majority of people that have even come close to defending the St. Valentine's Day Massacre (patch) are *gasp* Foundry authors.
Is AFK wrong? Yes, in a team event. In solo, I couldn't care any less. It doesn't affect me. I will never begrudge a person their free time. If a subscriber wants to pay money to do nothing, more power to him.
But don't force me to play some overly wordy 1 hour+ mission because someone wants to legislate morality.
How the Devs see Star Trek, apparently:
Star Trek: The Original Grind
Star Trek: The Next Grind
Star Trek: Deep Space Grind
Star Trek: Voyage to the Grind
You better change that sig if you have bought any Zen with dilthium since Oct 2012.
You are farming - and giving your time to someone else who is paying cryptic for the dilthium. That goes to their bottom line.
But if you have not bought Zen with dilthium in the exchange then your Sig is correct.
No - any Dilithium I make I use either for Fleet/Rep stuff or crafting - nor do I buy lockbox keys or ships or trade Dilithium for Zen. I have no intention of further lining PWE's pockets until I see big changes in the direction and leadership of this game.
*Edit* I do however, spend the Zen stipend PWE kindly gives me once a month - completely guilt-free since my LTS was paid for in January 2010 :P
Trust me I appreciate and understand the crappy situation we're all in. And yes, we are all forced to grind. What I was pointing out, is the method of doing so is flawed, and it always was. As far as saying that the missions weren't "autofarm", allow me to clarify what I saw:
1) If you can walk off and have lunch/watch TV/read the forums/etc with little to no input from you at all while the game plays and earns rewards for you, then you are AFK (as in Away From Keyboard)
2) It is not up to the players to "fix" a broken anything in the game. It is certainly not up the the player base to do it using a tactic which is obviously not intended. If you're going to argue that using a storymaking tool to make enemies that don't fight back, or to turn your BOffs into auto-win robots for easy money making isn't wrong, then I don't have much more to say on the matter.
i thought that auto play was part of the moto of the game LOL
AKA Duty officer system, at least with foundry it gave your Bridge officers the same chance as the Doffs you never see, but seem to do missions auto and bring back loot for you.
LOL either way whether some of you want to admit it, some now all of the AFKers did leave the STF's and Fleet mark events to go to the foundry
and in some sense this was good as it got rid of them. welcome back to our side of the fence AFKers we missed you. on another note it did seem that queues for the events took longer to start without you so thanks Cryptic for closing down the foundry and at least giving us back our AFKers so we can start a mission quicker
personally i know and most others do too we can finish most missions a man or two short anyways it just sucks that we have to wait for the alotted number of players to que up for these missions
2) It is not up to the players to "fix" a broken anything in the game. It is certainly not up the the player base to do it using a tactic which is obviously not intended. If you're going to argue that using a storymaking tool to make enemies that don't fight back, or to turn your BOffs into auto-win robots for easy money making isn't wrong, then I don't have much more to say on the matter.
It was never a story making tool, it was a tool that in cryptic words was simply "a way to deliver user based content" there was no stipulation that it was a "story making tool" Indeed the tool itself comes from a game that will mainly be a Dungeon Bash with hints of story.
Also it is entirely up to the players to fix the game when Cryptic refuse to or indeed when Cryptic are actively making it a poorer game.
Your point is irrelevant because your ignoring the causality of the issue, that is the fix occurred because Cryptic imposed it's vision on a player base that found that vision unacceptable. Your argument presupposes that the problem is players "abusing" the game when in-fact the problem stems from developers abusing the players.
If you don't solve the root cause then more fixes will pop up in other areas of the game. You see here is your problem you don't get the scope of the issue, the principle cause is developers failing to steer the game in a direction the players desire and the result is players attempting to circumvent the problem. Players will still continue to try to circumvent that problem, it is the true issue at hand here, curing one of the symptoms will not change anything.
Trust me I appreciate and understand the crappy situation we're all in. And yes, we are all forced to grind. What I was pointing out, is the method of doing so is flawed, and it always was. As far as saying that the missions weren't "autofarm", allow me to clarify what I saw:
1) If you can walk off and have lunch/watch TV/read the forums/etc with little to no input from you at all while the game plays and earns rewards for you, then you are AFK (as in Away From Keyboard)
2) It is not up to the players to "fix" a broken anything in the game. It is certainly not up the the player base to do it using a tactic which is obviously not intended. If you're going to argue that using a storymaking tool to make enemies that don't fight back, or to turn your BOffs into auto-win robots for easy money making isn't wrong, then I don't have much more to say on the matter.
Let me get you turned in the right direction, since you seem to completely have missed the entire point of why people are mad about this, and your argument falls flat on it's face. Here's why;
-We are upset and Fleet Marks being pulled from the Foundry, and the underhanded shady way Cryptic went about doing it.
-We are also upset that no compensation was made elsewhere to boost the now very anemic Fleet Mark area, when Dan mentioned HIMSELF that this was a major issue prior to implementing the 30min IOR with 50 FM's to begin with....so we are now back to square 1, and they are aware, yet did nothing.
-They already fixed the 'passive' AI quite awhile ago before this patch came out and I don't see anyone complaining about that here - irrelevant.
-News Flash: It's STILL possible to 'exploit' the Foundry! It's STILL possible to AFK and get rewards for 'free'!
If you want to try and assail people for 'exploiting' something at least know what you are talking about first, by looking at what THEY are talking about first.
At the risk of being confrontational, judging by the sigs it seems to me that the majority of people that have even come close to defending the St. Valentine's Day Massacre (patch) are *gasp* Foundry authors.
Is AFK wrong? Yes, in a team event. In solo, I couldn't care any less. It doesn't affect me. I will never begridge a person their free time. If a subscriber wants to pay money to do nothing, more power to him.
But don't force me to play some overly wordy 1 hour+ mission because someone wants to legislate morality.
As I stated in my previous post, I'm actually both a Foundry author and a player trying to improve my character. Your description alone of "over wordy 1 hour+ mission to legislate morality" shows that you have just as much contempt as the other side does.
Is AFK wrong? The answer is yes, in ALL circumstances. It always has been, in this MMO and the next. Did you not know this? Everyone knows this. Let's stop beating around the bush here and cut to it then. Why would there even be a game if you could just hit a button and walk away to max out?
DOff missions are the only intended method of playing while you're not actually on your toon. That has nothing to do with legislating morality. It's just the truth..
Edit: As to the prior post above me, I get it. People tried their own method of working through a broken system and we lost it. It sucks. Someone (that is NOT a player) needs to do something to fix it.
It was never a story making tool, it was a tool that in cryptic words was simply "a way to deliver user based content" there was no stipulation that it was a "story making tool" Indeed the tool itself comes from a game that will mainly be a Dungeon Bash with hints of story.
Also it is entirely up to the players to fix the game when Cryptic refuse to or indeed when Cryptic are actively making it a poorer game.
Your point is irrelevant because your ignoring the causality of the issue, that is the fix occurred because Cryptic imposed it's vision on a player base that found that vision unacceptable. Your argument presupposes that the problem is players "abusing" the game when in-fact the problem stems from developers abusing the players.
If you don't solve the root cause then more fixes will pop up in other areas of the game. You see here is your problem you don't get the scope of the issue, the principle cause is developers failing to steer the game in a direction the players desire and the result is players attempting to circumvent the problem. Players will still continue to try to circumvent that problem, it is the true issue at hand here, curing one of the symptoms will not change anything.
Very good point,
and i keep typing in this forum because? LOL
Trust me I appreciate and understand the crappy situation we're all in. And yes, we are all forced to grind. What I was pointing out, is the method of doing so is flawed, and it always was. As far as saying that the missions weren't "autofarm", allow me to clarify what I saw:
1) If you can walk off and have lunch/watch TV/read the forums/etc with little to no input from you at all while the game plays and earns rewards for you, then you are AFK (as in Away From Keyboard)
2) It is not up to the players to "fix" a broken anything in the game. It is certainly not up the the player base to do it using a tactic which is obviously not intended. If you're going to argue that using a storymaking tool to make enemies that don't fight back, or to turn your BOffs into auto-win robots for easy money making isn't wrong, then I don't have much more to say on the matter.
1) let's kill of doffing then
2) You're not big on creative thinking are you? And my BOFF's are autowin robots in any case, and they should be, I have them all kitted up in Omega Mk.12 and with good ground traits. Also, I'm their commanding officer, so they better do what I tell them to do. But hey, why not. Let's kill boff commands too, it is clearly not intended that we place them on strategic positions.
Hell, nerf *everything*, this game is fading away, better to go out with a bang
Lost and Delirious... and Disenchanted too Apparently some forum posters have diplomatic immunity nowadays, where can I get mine?
At the risk of being confrontational, judging by the sigs it seems to me that the majority of people that have even come close to defending the St. Valentine's Day Massacre (patch) are *gasp* Foundry authors.
Is AFK wrong? Yes, in a team event. In solo, I couldn't care any less. It doesn't affect me. I will never begrudge a person their free time. If a subscriber wants to pay money to do nothing, more power to him.
But don't force me to play some overly wordy 1 hour+ mission because someone wants to legislate morality.
I wouldn't even call it morality. I would call it 'My way or the highway. mentality.'
Good points on both sides though. But what it comes down to is, I pay for the game, if I want to stand around for 20 minutes in a solo mission and do nothing, that's my prerogative. I'm not hurting anyone, and the gains I'm making are a drop in the ocean compared to whats being moved around within the game.
How was I hurting anyone. Hell, most of the time I was AFK for 30 minutes or so. ((I have 3 grandkids here, 5, 4 and 2.)) that falls within the limits they set now.
I'm sure there were people that did them in less time, some took even longer. I didn't do the same one every time. There multiple grinders to choose from.
The 'It wasn't being used as it was intended line' is BS. The Foundry was made first and foremost so players could have FUN.(Supposedly.) It was a balance of fun and convenience. Now its neither. Its a reminder of fun no longer available because the nerfing leaves such a bad taste.
Just chucking it out there, but isn't the real problem that the foundry should be just what it was suppose to be, fan fiction for those budding authors that wanted their story told, to be played by those people who wanted more from the normal Cryptic missions and wanted some variety?
Cryptic imo, have turned the foundry into "the story" and "the Content" for STO, whilst they continue to pursue ways to get you to play more by grinding and pay instead.
If the foundry had 0 exp and 0 marks, how many people would really use the foundry (as it used to be)
Being a long term forum dweller, the posts about the foundry always seem to be "I won't play em" or "too much rubbish in em" and they were only used by those who want to dabble more than actually used as content.
So all you foundry authours, sorry, but isn't it possible that people only play your missions simply because they provide Dil and marks and only a small portion of your mission is actually read? Doesn't that at the least gall you?
Most honest people on the forums over the last few years have said (and I agree), that they refuse to play missions created by fans and want Cryptic to create the missions. Is this still the case?
So far in the thread, very few are saying "no problem, I play the missions for fun not for Marks", that to me would be a resounding "foundry is just a tool for dil and marks" then a "great way to explore more storys".
Sheesh, can I use so many "" in a post? Been at least 25 years plus since I was at school:eek:
P.S. Sorry, been drinking too much of my single malt stuff. Forgive me if I'm rambling.
Off to the Neverwinter forums for a *hits and giggles...;)
Straight from the mouth of one of the leaders of the CDF - "I tell you what, Haven't spent any money either - I'm a lousy freeloader" - Jonsills 17/12/2014
The real problem is that this game isn't what it is supposed to be. Hell, I'm not even sure if I should call it a game any longer.
Okay. You got me.
However, you know someone from "the otherside" is now going to ask you "what should the game be"...
I get you though.
Who would have thunk it, I can open up CO forums, STO forums and NW forums all in different tabs.
Technology eh... Fascinating...
Whats next, Garlic bread...;)
Straight from the mouth of one of the leaders of the CDF - "I tell you what, Haven't spent any money either - I'm a lousy freeloader" - Jonsills 17/12/2014
If they have a problem with AFK'ers then fix that only - simple enough add a clause into the Foundry that such missions will be deemed inappropriate and hence removed upon complaints - just like the missions that use CBS copyrights (i.e. Spock in their missions, etc...)
Instead they use this as an excuse to punish everyone in order to carry out their own desires. I can see very soon that FM will be a reward from lockboxes; or something we can purchase with cpts.
S7: Shaka, when the walls fell.
There are Four Lights... say no to ARCFleet: 1st Order of Role-Players' Guild - gaming together since 2004
"May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your armpits forever"
It's cultural and traditional so be respectful whilst you're censoring me
*hugs!!*
It's you!
hahah I've already written several unmentionable curses on rolled up pieces of lead and thrown them into the nearest officially recognized stream with a roman river deity residing in it. AVE VOLTURNUS!!!
"May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your armpits forever"
It's cultural and traditional so be respectful whilst you're censoring me
*hugs!!*
now that is funny now I remember why i USE to like the forums lol.
"I rather believe that time is a companion who goes with us on the journey, and reminds us to cherish every moment... because they'll never come again. What we leave behind is not as important as how we lived" Picard to Riker
You win the thread. Can't argue against that lmao!
I'm happy that some people might've gotten a smile from that, but all I'm interested in winning is some respect from the people whose salaries our contributions pay.
The Foundry is successful in that we have a growing number of amazing authors contributing their stories to the game.
The success of the Foundry = The ability of authors to tell stories. That has been the overarching justification for the tool since it was introduced in STO.
If you can find a different source, then I'll read it. You know, something like, "We envision players using the Foundry to farm loot, take advantage of exploits, and create their own short, repeatable and non-story grind content that helps them fill their buckets."
The success of the Foundry = The ability of authors to tell stories. That has been the overarching justification for the tool since it was introduced in STO.
If you can find a different source, then I'll read it. You know, something like, "We envision players using the Foundry to farm loot, take advantage of exploits, and create their own short, repeatable grind content that helps them fill their buckets."
So you don't see yourself as effectively working for cryptic, making missions, unpaid?
That's really what the foundry is all about.
The success of the Foundry = The ability of authors to tell stories. That has been the overarching justification for the tool since it was introduced in STO.
If you can find a different source, then I'll read it. You know, something like, "We envision players using the Foundry to farm loot, take advantage of exploits, and create their own short, repeatable grind content that helps them fill their buckets."
1] Can you show me a quote where anyone a Cryptic specifically says the Foundry was only for Authors to tell Stories?
2] The the overarching justification for the tool was to test it's viability as an integral part of Neverwinter.
3] Here is the official Foundry Page Intro Text:
The Foundry for Star Trek Online is your first chance to craft the Star Trek universe your way. Using The Foundry toolset, you can create and build brand new missions and stories to share with your friends and the entire Star Trek Online community. Use the specialized editor to create missions in space or on the ground. Re-create your favorite Star Trek episode or design your very own from scratch!
The Foundry for Star Trek Online is already live and ready for you to use. Gold members can simply log into the game and create content. Once at the Character Selection screen, click on the "Create Content" tab to start designing and building your own missions! Silver members will need to purchase or unlock Foundry Project Slots. Visit the free-to-play Features Matrix to learn more.
As you can see it doesn't specify ONLY STORIES. It also specifically says we can do what we want with the tool "craft the star trek universe in your way"
Your way not being Kirkfats or Hippiejohns or Daniel Stahls way. :cool:
Also have to laugh at the irony of that Foundry You Tube clip... filled with cuts of Space and Ground battles and not endless walls of text however irrelevant as the official text on the Foundry Landing page says I can make a mission MY WAY.
If you can find a different source, then I'll read it. You know, something like, "We envision players using the Foundry to farm loot, take advantage of exploits, and create their own short, repeatable and non-story grind content that helps them fill their buckets."
AFKers in solo content hurt you, how?
Seriously, I want to know why I;m being forced to bend to Foundry authors' wishes.
I may be crazy, but again people, look at the sigs of the majority of the defenders of this poorly thought out decision. Foundry authors.
How the Devs see Star Trek, apparently:
Star Trek: The Original Grind
Star Trek: The Next Grind
Star Trek: Deep Space Grind
Star Trek: Voyage to the Grind
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Trust me I appreciate and understand the crappy situation we're all in. And yes, we are all forced to grind. What I was pointing out, is the method of doing so is flawed, and it always was. As far as saying that the missions weren't "autofarm", allow me to clarify what I saw:
1) If you can walk off and have lunch/watch TV/read the forums/etc with little to no input from you at all while the game plays and earns rewards for you, then you are AFK (as in Away From Keyboard)
2) It is not up to the players to "fix" a broken anything in the game. It is certainly not up the the player base to do it using a tactic which is obviously not intended. If you're going to argue that using a storymaking tool to make enemies that don't fight back, or to turn your BOffs into auto-win robots for easy money making isn't wrong, then I don't have much more to say on the matter.
by @Skydawn - member of Starbase UGC
I've given up.
I'm now a Bradford City Fan:eek:...
Wembley here I come!!! (4 tickets spare if any of my American Brethren want to see some real Soc... Er I mean Football)...
Only Joking Bran. Please no more. I promise I will be good...:o
At the risk of being confrontational, judging by the sigs it seems to me that the majority of people that have even come close to defending the St. Valentine's Day Massacre (patch) are *gasp* Foundry authors.
Is AFK wrong? Yes, in a team event. In solo, I couldn't care any less. It doesn't affect me. I will never begrudge a person their free time. If a subscriber wants to pay money to do nothing, more power to him.
But don't force me to play some overly wordy 1 hour+ mission because someone wants to legislate morality.
Star Trek: The Original Grind
Star Trek: The Next Grind
Star Trek: Deep Space Grind
Star Trek: Voyage to the Grind
No - any Dilithium I make I use either for Fleet/Rep stuff or crafting - nor do I buy lockbox keys or ships or trade Dilithium for Zen. I have no intention of further lining PWE's pockets until I see big changes in the direction and leadership of this game.
*Edit* I do however, spend the Zen stipend PWE kindly gives me once a month - completely guilt-free since my LTS was paid for in January 2010 :P
i thought that auto play was part of the moto of the game LOL
AKA Duty officer system, at least with foundry it gave your Bridge officers the same chance as the Doffs you never see, but seem to do missions auto and bring back loot for you.
LOL either way whether some of you want to admit it, some now all of the AFKers did leave the STF's and Fleet mark events to go to the foundry
and in some sense this was good as it got rid of them. welcome back to our side of the fence AFKers we missed you. on another note it did seem that queues for the events took longer to start without you so thanks Cryptic for closing down the foundry and at least giving us back our AFKers so we can start a mission quicker
personally i know and most others do too we can finish most missions a man or two short anyways it just sucks that we have to wait for the alotted number of players to que up for these missions
It was never a story making tool, it was a tool that in cryptic words was simply "a way to deliver user based content" there was no stipulation that it was a "story making tool" Indeed the tool itself comes from a game that will mainly be a Dungeon Bash with hints of story.
Also it is entirely up to the players to fix the game when Cryptic refuse to or indeed when Cryptic are actively making it a poorer game.
Your point is irrelevant because your ignoring the causality of the issue, that is the fix occurred because Cryptic imposed it's vision on a player base that found that vision unacceptable. Your argument presupposes that the problem is players "abusing" the game when in-fact the problem stems from developers abusing the players.
If you don't solve the root cause then more fixes will pop up in other areas of the game. You see here is your problem you don't get the scope of the issue, the principle cause is developers failing to steer the game in a direction the players desire and the result is players attempting to circumvent the problem. Players will still continue to try to circumvent that problem, it is the true issue at hand here, curing one of the symptoms will not change anything.
#2311#2700#2316#2500
Let me get you turned in the right direction, since you seem to completely have missed the entire point of why people are mad about this, and your argument falls flat on it's face. Here's why;
-We are upset and Fleet Marks being pulled from the Foundry, and the underhanded shady way Cryptic went about doing it.
-We are also upset that no compensation was made elsewhere to boost the now very anemic Fleet Mark area, when Dan mentioned HIMSELF that this was a major issue prior to implementing the 30min IOR with 50 FM's to begin with....so we are now back to square 1, and they are aware, yet did nothing.
-They already fixed the 'passive' AI quite awhile ago before this patch came out and I don't see anyone complaining about that here - irrelevant.
-News Flash: It's STILL possible to 'exploit' the Foundry! It's STILL possible to AFK and get rewards for 'free'!
If you want to try and assail people for 'exploiting' something at least know what you are talking about first, by looking at what THEY are talking about first.
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
The o3 - Killed you good
As I stated in my previous post, I'm actually both a Foundry author and a player trying to improve my character. Your description alone of "over wordy 1 hour+ mission to legislate morality" shows that you have just as much contempt as the other side does.
Is AFK wrong? The answer is yes, in ALL circumstances. It always has been, in this MMO and the next. Did you not know this? Everyone knows this. Let's stop beating around the bush here and cut to it then. Why would there even be a game if you could just hit a button and walk away to max out?
DOff missions are the only intended method of playing while you're not actually on your toon. That has nothing to do with legislating morality. It's just the truth..
Edit: As to the prior post above me, I get it. People tried their own method of working through a broken system and we lost it. It sucks. Someone (that is NOT a player) needs to do something to fix it.
by @Skydawn - member of Starbase UGC
Very good point,
and i keep typing in this forum because? LOL
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[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
these are the posts that just make me laugh,
you know you will never do that even given the chance
but it sure is funny when people get upset
1) let's kill of doffing then
2) You're not big on creative thinking are you? And my BOFF's are autowin robots in any case, and they should be, I have them all kitted up in Omega Mk.12 and with good ground traits. Also, I'm their commanding officer, so they better do what I tell them to do. But hey, why not. Let's kill boff commands too, it is clearly not intended that we place them on strategic positions.
Hell, nerf *everything*, this game is fading away, better to go out with a bang
Apparently some forum posters have diplomatic immunity nowadays, where can I get mine? [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
I wouldn't even call it morality. I would call it 'My way or the highway. mentality.'
Good points on both sides though. But what it comes down to is, I pay for the game, if I want to stand around for 20 minutes in a solo mission and do nothing, that's my prerogative. I'm not hurting anyone, and the gains I'm making are a drop in the ocean compared to whats being moved around within the game.
How was I hurting anyone. Hell, most of the time I was AFK for 30 minutes or so. ((I have 3 grandkids here, 5, 4 and 2.)) that falls within the limits they set now.
I'm sure there were people that did them in less time, some took even longer. I didn't do the same one every time. There multiple grinders to choose from.
The 'It wasn't being used as it was intended line' is BS. The Foundry was made first and foremost so players could have FUN.(Supposedly.) It was a balance of fun and convenience. Now its neither. Its a reminder of fun no longer available because the nerfing leaves such a bad taste.
Cryptic imo, have turned the foundry into "the story" and "the Content" for STO, whilst they continue to pursue ways to get you to play more by grinding and pay instead.
If the foundry had 0 exp and 0 marks, how many people would really use the foundry (as it used to be)
Being a long term forum dweller, the posts about the foundry always seem to be "I won't play em" or "too much rubbish in em" and they were only used by those who want to dabble more than actually used as content.
So all you foundry authours, sorry, but isn't it possible that people only play your missions simply because they provide Dil and marks and only a small portion of your mission is actually read? Doesn't that at the least gall you?
Most honest people on the forums over the last few years have said (and I agree), that they refuse to play missions created by fans and want Cryptic to create the missions. Is this still the case?
So far in the thread, very few are saying "no problem, I play the missions for fun not for Marks", that to me would be a resounding "foundry is just a tool for dil and marks" then a "great way to explore more storys".
Sheesh, can I use so many "" in a post? Been at least 25 years plus since I was at school:eek:
P.S. Sorry, been drinking too much of my single malt stuff. Forgive me if I'm rambling.
Off to the Neverwinter forums for a *hits and giggles...;)
i think we are all mature enough here that we dont have to resort to personal attacks. Calm down.
The real problem is that this game isn't what it is supposed to be. Hell, I'm not even sure if I should call it a game any longer.
Apparently some forum posters have diplomatic immunity nowadays, where can I get mine? [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Here's one from me to Dan with love:
"May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your armpits forever"
It's cultural and traditional so be respectful whilst you're censoring me
*hugs!!*
I dunno. I gave a mild snort at the picture floating through my brain....
Okay. You got me.
However, you know someone from "the otherside" is now going to ask you "what should the game be"...
I get you though.
Who would have thunk it, I can open up CO forums, STO forums and NW forums all in different tabs.
Technology eh... Fascinating...
Whats next, Garlic bread...;)
LOL i have never laughed so hard
If they have a problem with AFK'ers then fix that only - simple enough add a clause into the Foundry that such missions will be deemed inappropriate and hence removed upon complaints - just like the missions that use CBS copyrights (i.e. Spock in their missions, etc...)
Instead they use this as an excuse to punish everyone in order to carry out their own desires. I can see very soon that FM will be a reward from lockboxes; or something we can purchase with cpts.
S7: Shaka, when the walls fell.
Fleet: 1st Order of Role-Players' Guild - gaming together since 2004
Ugh, I almost choked on my coffee reading this one. You need to be careful... armpits are offensive in some cultures....
by @Skydawn - member of Starbase UGC
It's you!
hahah I've already written several unmentionable curses on rolled up pieces of lead and thrown them into the nearest officially recognized stream with a roman river deity residing in it. AVE VOLTURNUS!!!
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You win the thread. Can't argue against that lmao!
now that is funny
"I rather believe that time is a companion who goes with us on the journey, and reminds us to cherish every moment... because they'll never come again. What we leave behind is not as important as how we lived" Picard to Riker
I'm happy that some people might've gotten a smile from that, but all I'm interested in winning is some respect from the people whose salaries our contributions pay.
Not just for our sake, but for theirs too.
I won't spend more than 5 minutes digging up interview after interview after interview.
Here is one, though:
Dan Stahl:
The success of the Foundry = The ability of authors to tell stories. That has been the overarching justification for the tool since it was introduced in STO.
And here is Cryptic's philosophy.
If you can find a different source, then I'll read it. You know, something like, "We envision players using the Foundry to farm loot, take advantage of exploits, and create their own short, repeatable and non-story grind content that helps them fill their buckets."
So you don't see yourself as effectively working for cryptic, making missions, unpaid?
That's really what the foundry is all about.
1] Can you show me a quote where anyone a Cryptic specifically says the Foundry was only for Authors to tell Stories?
2] The the overarching justification for the tool was to test it's viability as an integral part of Neverwinter.
3] Here is the official Foundry Page Intro Text:
As you can see it doesn't specify ONLY STORIES. It also specifically says we can do what we want with the tool "craft the star trek universe in your way"
Your way not being Kirkfats or Hippiejohns or Daniel Stahls way. :cool:
Also have to laugh at the irony of that Foundry You Tube clip... filled with cuts of Space and Ground battles and not endless walls of text
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And the IOR prevented that how?
AFKers in solo content hurt you, how?
Seriously, I want to know why I;m being forced to bend to Foundry authors' wishes.
I may be crazy, but again people, look at the sigs of the majority of the defenders of this poorly thought out decision. Foundry authors.
Star Trek: The Original Grind
Star Trek: The Next Grind
Star Trek: Deep Space Grind
Star Trek: Voyage to the Grind