"Very large fleets (say, 50+ active player accounts)"
50 goes to 500... LOL
"Smoke and Mirrors" Stahl.
"Dammit J'mpok! I'm a Warrior, not a Worrier!"
- KDF Ambassador Syon vocalizing her objection to the discussions of possible peace talks with the UFP due to recent Borg and Undine activities.Hegh'bat, Stardate 66588.8
I've decided to finally give the tomcat (that urinates on my car EVERY time I wash it) a name. Can you guess what I will call the furry little day-wrecker?
Formerly known as Khannnnn "Spock, this 'child' is about to wipe out every living thing on Earth. Now, what do you suggest we do? Spank it?" -Commander Leonard 'Bones' McCoy, M.D.
My issue isn't that they pulled FM from Foundry. It makes sense to pull FM from Foundry missions.. My issue that instead of doing a balanced approach to the issue, by killed FM and not replacing with something else was just plain unfair. Also announcing it 1 day before holodeck patch wasn't that great either. Or that now that the Large Fleets are finishing their Starbases the rest of us are just screwed until they make fix the balance issue in the future.
Anyway.. Not happy.. But who cares..
What kills me is they decide to do it without a solution to implement FM in another part of game. They should stay until a better solution is implemented. Can you imagine if McDonald's said hey we are taking away french fries until we get better packaging it might be a few months but they'll be back in the meantime have a hashbrown. I'm sure Wendys and BK would very be happy.
A lot of double talk coming from dstahl (either that or just plain bad logic).
"Fleets are starved for dilithium.". So the apparent solution to that is to keep the cap in place, keep the exorbitant prices in place, and now take away a guaranteed dilithium reward and replace it with a scaling system that may reward less? Good thinking.
"We want to make the Foundry useful.". Yes, taking away the FM and XP rewarding IOR will certainly do that.
Not to mention hyping their new "Season 8" thru secrecy. Since when is keeping your player base in the dark ever a good thing? Oh, by the way we may or may not think about compensating for the FM loss and lack of fun content. More grind, that is made worse by these artificial caps and time gates
Welcome to Restrictions: Online everyone. And stay put for the next New York Times best-selling novel:
Dr. Dan Stahl: Or how I learned to stop worrying and kill the game.
How the Devs see Star Trek, apparently:
Star Trek: The Original Grind
Star Trek: The Next Grind
Star Trek: Deep Space Grind
Star Trek: Voyage to the Grind
#1 i got LESS dilithium for the same missions that i played yesterday
#2 i did not get any kind of information how much dilithium i would get BEFORE i completed the mission, how about adding a window that tells me the rewards of the mission before i accept (as i understand is the AVERAGE playtime is awarded, not mine specifically)
#3 does that mean if i play bad / slow / inefficient i get more rewards than if i play good / efficient / just got the skill to burn through those mobs?
#4 is difficulty a factor in the dilithium reward calculation? if i play on Elite i expect better rewards than somebody who plays on normal.
#5 I'm in one of the big fleets that is nearing Tier 5 on FED side, our KDF base is lacking behind, there are less players on KDF side, and it is HARD to get a KDF PUG started even with the PvE queue i sometimes sit more than 10 minutes without a match starting, many players in my fleet are from different timezones, i mostly seem active when the others aren't so the Foundry Fleetmarks were a good was for me to contribute on KDF side even without the need to team up or to sit hours in a slow moving queue to PUG it with mediocre players that end up giving me bad results on top of that.
Right now the only way i see to keep contributing to our KDF Base is DOffing and the CXP to FM Commendation Reports....
on that note, if Foundry content is not good enough for Fleetmarks because it's "singleplayer content" then what the hell has the Duty Officer System to do with the Fleetbase?
#6 we need more rewards we can buy from the Fleetbase, we have Players in our Fleet that are sitting at the 10 million Fleet Credit CAP and don't have anything shiny to buy with it...
#7 We are barely playing the Fleet Event Missions anymore, certainly not together.
If there was a Fleetmark multiplier, the goes higher if you play together with your fleeties instead of PUGs, then that might intice Fleets to play more together again.
#8 i expected to see MORE Fleet Event Missions with the Embassy in Season 7, but nope, the Reputation System took over all the new content, it is finished by now, and at this point i have no reason at all to play either STFs or Romulan Reputation missions (unless i want one of the Items).
The Fleet Missions are old and boring...
the "Edngame" of STO is looking pretty bad right now, oddly enough it looked a lot better to me in Season 6 when STFs still had a carrot attached that made me play them AND i had fun doing so... but for dilithium only, it just doesn't have the same appeal anymore.
#9 none of the "new Endgame Content" has Elite Difficulty Versions or is very challenging to begin with.
Why?
Only minetrap is challenging to a point, but only because so many Players are so bad at it, everything else is so easy it isn't even worth it to make premade groups with any tactics for it...
I wouldn't take his word on that. Remember when he said that the KDF would have PvE content 1-50 BEFORE the Romulan faction would be added to the game?
Look what's coming in May.
Formerly known as Khannnnn "Spock, this 'child' is about to wipe out every living thing on Earth. Now, what do you suggest we do? Spank it?" -Commander Leonard 'Bones' McCoy, M.D.
You take away fleet marks because small fleets are making slow and steady progress and that is unacceptable? Its not like any small or even a medium fleet can fill more than a couple of projects a day, the dilithium costs for t4 are so ridiculous, 60k/day for 500xp? No small fleet can afford it. Thats 8 people's full contribution for one daily project.. not to mention the million other uses.
If anyone real company took something away vital away from their customers and said.. we'll return them in a few months. What would happen? They'd lose customers. If you have a plan to remove FMs from one source, then you should have had a plan to introduce or adjust the marks in other areas. To not do this shows complete and utter incompetence.
So we are going to get a look at the refinement cap when the average daily refinement increases close to the cap? This is just bs right? blowing smoke? We all know the average STO player is pretty clueless, probably brings in no fleet marks, marginal dilithium and has trouble beating standard difficult enemies. You will never get close to the cap on average, the gap between average and advanced is just too large.
The statement about starbase progression "design" is clearly a fabrication to calm the masses. You wanted to design a system that challenged large fleets so they didn't reach tier 5 overnight so you put high requirements in? But you time gated this, the 500 person fleets have so much resources their members can't even get fleet credits, and they are still time gated. So how what concerns of this overnight advancement is there really? The whole statement looks just made up. A fleet of 25 people that all log on every single day, all hit their dil caps and earn marks (this is a fantasy fleet that doesn't exist) wouldn't be able to meet the requirements of a t4 holdings daily. They would need about 170k dil daily? Plus upgrades, which are over the top expensive.
I don't understand this corporate philosophy of having to make your customers miserable. Why can't you let them be happy? They were a couple weeks ago, they could play, ACHIEVE something and feel proud of it, even if they were casual and can't spend hours a night grinding, they could do something... now you need the hours of grinding to do anything again. You need to get off your datamining and into the game and see what it really is, statistics don't provide perspective, feelings, the sense of despair.
Anyone else noticed that they've pulled the entire facebook page?
I mean, all of it, every single post.
Really D'Stahl?
Are you perhaps beginning to realise that this terrible decision is going to backfire on you?
Are you getting the point yet?
This isn't just a normal knee jerk reaction to change.
This is us telling you, you've got this terribly, appallingly wrong.
Months waiting for a solution isn't remotely good enough.
I reckon you have hours, maybe a day or two, before the damage becomes irreversible.
Yes I noticed last night when the raging started. That's how I knew about this thread but they started yanking it down shortly after it was posted. They also keep closing threads out of feedback moving them to the discussion section and now this news thread. In effect scattering everyone's comments, but its not going to stop peoples disgust! There were 44 pages on one thread and 74 pages on another and now 47 pages on this one.
I wouldn't take his word on that. Remember when he said that the KDF would have PvE content 1-50 BEFORE the Romulan faction would be added to the game?
Look what's coming in May.
I wonder if that why they are so scret about May. Could they be trying to hold off the rage as much as possible?
How the Devs see Star Trek, apparently:
Star Trek: The Original Grind
Star Trek: The Next Grind
Star Trek: Deep Space Grind
Star Trek: Voyage to the Grind
- KDF Ambassador Syon vocalizing her objection to the discussions of possible peace talks with the UFP due to recent Borg and Undine activities.Hegh'bat, Stardate 66588.8
I prefer Checkers fries, myself. With that awesome batter they have McDonalds, Wendy's and BK beat by a thousand miles.
Fact: Dan said that they will be adding new sources of FMs in preparation for the May update which has a couple of systems in it that will also reduce the cost of fleet projects.
You're of the quaint notion that what Dstahl says is going to happen, and what actually happens are the same thing. How adorable.
Also, when are these changes going in? How will they compare income-wise to the IOR? What are fleets who relied on IOR for meaningful starbase progression to do in the meantime without developing insane burnout from mind-numbing grinding and leaving STO?
I'd just like to remind the devs that not all the players have the time nor the inclination to constantly grind for the various marks and dilithium.
By closing loopholes and herding players to earn the rewards in specific, rigid ways is alienating the playerbase. Many to the point of quitting altogether. Most of us have to grind in our daily jobs. We come to STO for recreation and fun. Being forced to also grind here is not fun.
I don't understand this corporate philosophy of having to make your customers miserable. Why can't you let them be happy? They were a couple weeks ago, they could play, ACHIEVE something and feel proud of it, even if they were casual and can't spend hours a night grinding, they could do something... now you need the hours of grinding to do anything again. You need to get off your datamining and into the game and see what it really is, statistics don't provide perspective, feelings, the sense of despair.
Pretty much this. Why don't you go incognito, make a couple of accounts, join some small fleets and keep your identity secret. See what people think about you and your system then and get a good dose of just how boring it is. I've had root canals that were more pleasurable than grinding fleet marks on your "content". I'm sad to report that wasn't an exaggeration.
Formerly known as Khannnnn "Spock, this 'child' is about to wipe out every living thing on Earth. Now, what do you suggest we do? Spank it?" -Commander Leonard 'Bones' McCoy, M.D.
Well first PWE want everyone to get join a big fleet,well i have had friend that told me when the fleet they were in got to the level they want it at they kicked them out after they spent all the time helping them get there.
I know you will say they got fleet credits but what good is credits if you are not in the fleet anymore to be able to buy ships and weapons anymore.
We don't really KNOW that they are adding a playable Romulan faction. It is a good bet that they are. But it is not official. It is an assumption.
Why is it a good assumption that they are?
What has changed from KDF not being profitable to make a full faction to adding a third one?
Surely they KDF is a bigger fanbase than the Rommies, yet see how things are with the KDF?
Where all of a sudden is this new revenue going to come from, if it is a new faction?
Everyone who defends Cryptics in not making a fully fledged KDF faction, always sites "Star Trek is about the Federation".
Once again, flip flop info.
Straight from the mouth of one of the leaders of the CDF - "I tell you what, Haven't spent any money either - I'm a lousy freeloader" - Jonsills 17/12/2014
Sirsitsalot: Their teaser site is a giant graphic of Romulan wings, with a translatable message asking players to "march beneath the raptor's wings." May 2013
Smells like new faction or "micro-faction, Stahl style (that no one wants)" to me.
Formerly known as Khannnnn "Spock, this 'child' is about to wipe out every living thing on Earth. Now, what do you suggest we do? Spank it?" -Commander Leonard 'Bones' McCoy, M.D.
We have been repeating the same, bland, uninspired missions for 6 months now.
I can PvP with my Fleet members, do STFs with them but aquire no Fleet Marks.
Yet I can que up with random strangers for "colony invasion" which has, let's be honest, only the most tenuous of connections with Fleet Starbases - and earn fleet marks.
Your team seems to think the few tiny squirts of fleet marks available from these fleet mark events are sufficient - they are not.
This is a failure on your part as a product and service provider to meet the expectations and needs of your customers, that is why you have nearly 500 angry responses within the short space of 24hrs.
Dan told me I was special and that he was going to "take me places"... He asked me to start paying more for things and I didn't mind... He said, it was going to be alright and to trust him... Then he started doing other things with his friends and wouldn't return my calls.
He said it as my fault. Dan never cared...
"Dammit J'mpok! I'm a Warrior, not a Worrier!"
- KDF Ambassador Syon vocalizing her objection to the discussions of possible peace talks with the UFP due to recent Borg and Undine activities.Hegh'bat, Stardate 66588.8
This is yet another s**t storm generated by those who should not be named.Almost 50 pages long so far,with the naysayers firmly in the lead,removing part of the reward structure without anything ready to slot in to smooth the transition is just shoddy.
Trumpeting the "future" card is so lame it's not really worth mentioning or going on about... How longs a piece of string?
Yet again the captain at the helm is found wanting... I hope someone in authority is taking notes and reading these posts,you're setting a precedence for all future "so" called updates
:rolleyes:
I know Dan's actual track record. But I also know that the buck doesn't really stop with Dan. The Craptastic grindfest that STO has become is a PWE directive, because that is the sort of thing PWE does. Dan may monitor the metrics of who is doing what and how much of this reward is being earned from that content. But PWE monitors the actual bottom line. And if PWE picks up the phone and calls Jack Emmert and breaths down his neck over the few cents loss in this or that field, Jack Emmert is going to call Dan Stahl and breathe down his neck over it.
Yes, Dan makes the calls on what to do, but PWE defines the criteria he must follow for making the calls.
Well, I hope that the PWE overlords in Asia can read English to see how their decision is going to affect their bottom dollar. I got paid yesterday and I like to spend a little when I'm paid. Not yesterday or today or tomorrow or the day after that until this debacle is fixed. I hope you notice my few cents missing from your greedy-a$$ pockets.
Funny how terms like fiscal cliff and greater depression being thrown around in our time and then we see a company pull some serious **** which could more then likely affect their bottom dollar... Not too smart, I say.
Maybe some in the industry needs to eat some humble pie like many real people have to?
"Dammit J'mpok! I'm a Warrior, not a Worrier!"
- KDF Ambassador Syon vocalizing her objection to the discussions of possible peace talks with the UFP due to recent Borg and Undine activities.Hegh'bat, Stardate 66588.8
I usually spend around $80 per month on this game to help my fleet, but I won't be giving them anymore money until they actually LISTEN to the customers and give us what we want. I don't recall ever seeing a single player request to take the fun out of earning fleet marks. Never once did I see a player say "Please, Dan. Please remove the Fleet Marks from the Foundry! I feel it is just too enjoyable to earn fleet marks. I want to go back to the days where I actually fell asleep during queues, awakening to find myself ramming the edge of the map at full speed."
Formerly known as Khannnnn "Spock, this 'child' is about to wipe out every living thing on Earth. Now, what do you suggest we do? Spank it?" -Commander Leonard 'Bones' McCoy, M.D.
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I knew someone would find the post where Dan said fleet bases would be made with smaller fleets in mind.
50 goes to 500... LOL
"Smoke and Mirrors" Stahl.
- KDF Ambassador Syon vocalizing her objection to the discussions of possible peace talks with the UFP due to recent Borg and Undine activities. Hegh'bat, Stardate 66588.8
"Spock, this 'child' is about to wipe out every living thing on Earth. Now, what do you suggest we do? Spank it?" -Commander Leonard 'Bones' McCoy, M.D.
What kills me is they decide to do it without a solution to implement FM in another part of game. They should stay until a better solution is implemented. Can you imagine if McDonald's said hey we are taking away french fries until we get better packaging it might be a few months but they'll be back in the meantime have a hashbrown. I'm sure Wendys and BK would very be happy.
"Fleets are starved for dilithium.". So the apparent solution to that is to keep the cap in place, keep the exorbitant prices in place, and now take away a guaranteed dilithium reward and replace it with a scaling system that may reward less? Good thinking.
"We want to make the Foundry useful.". Yes, taking away the FM and XP rewarding IOR will certainly do that.
Not to mention hyping their new "Season 8" thru secrecy. Since when is keeping your player base in the dark ever a good thing? Oh, by the way we may or may not think about compensating for the FM loss and lack of fun content. More grind, that is made worse by these artificial caps and time gates
Welcome to Restrictions: Online everyone. And stay put for the next New York Times best-selling novel:
Dr. Dan Stahl: Or how I learned to stop worrying and kill the game.
Star Trek: The Original Grind
Star Trek: The Next Grind
Star Trek: Deep Space Grind
Star Trek: Voyage to the Grind
#1 i got LESS dilithium for the same missions that i played yesterday
#2 i did not get any kind of information how much dilithium i would get BEFORE i completed the mission, how about adding a window that tells me the rewards of the mission before i accept (as i understand is the AVERAGE playtime is awarded, not mine specifically)
#3 does that mean if i play bad / slow / inefficient i get more rewards than if i play good / efficient / just got the skill to burn through those mobs?
#4 is difficulty a factor in the dilithium reward calculation? if i play on Elite i expect better rewards than somebody who plays on normal.
#5 I'm in one of the big fleets that is nearing Tier 5 on FED side, our KDF base is lacking behind, there are less players on KDF side, and it is HARD to get a KDF PUG started even with the PvE queue i sometimes sit more than 10 minutes without a match starting, many players in my fleet are from different timezones, i mostly seem active when the others aren't so the Foundry Fleetmarks were a good was for me to contribute on KDF side even without the need to team up or to sit hours in a slow moving queue to PUG it with mediocre players that end up giving me bad results on top of that.
Right now the only way i see to keep contributing to our KDF Base is DOffing and the CXP to FM Commendation Reports....
on that note, if Foundry content is not good enough for Fleetmarks because it's "singleplayer content" then what the hell has the Duty Officer System to do with the Fleetbase?
#6 we need more rewards we can buy from the Fleetbase, we have Players in our Fleet that are sitting at the 10 million Fleet Credit CAP and don't have anything shiny to buy with it...
#7 We are barely playing the Fleet Event Missions anymore, certainly not together.
If there was a Fleetmark multiplier, the goes higher if you play together with your fleeties instead of PUGs, then that might intice Fleets to play more together again.
#8 i expected to see MORE Fleet Event Missions with the Embassy in Season 7, but nope, the Reputation System took over all the new content, it is finished by now, and at this point i have no reason at all to play either STFs or Romulan Reputation missions (unless i want one of the Items).
The Fleet Missions are old and boring...
the "Edngame" of STO is looking pretty bad right now, oddly enough it looked a lot better to me in Season 6 when STFs still had a carrot attached that made me play them AND i had fun doing so... but for dilithium only, it just doesn't have the same appeal anymore.
#9 none of the "new Endgame Content" has Elite Difficulty Versions or is very challenging to begin with.
Why?
Only minetrap is challenging to a point, but only because so many Players are so bad at it, everything else is so easy it isn't even worth it to make premade groups with any tactics for it...
Look what's coming in May.
"Spock, this 'child' is about to wipe out every living thing on Earth. Now, what do you suggest we do? Spank it?" -Commander Leonard 'Bones' McCoy, M.D.
You take away fleet marks because small fleets are making slow and steady progress and that is unacceptable? Its not like any small or even a medium fleet can fill more than a couple of projects a day, the dilithium costs for t4 are so ridiculous, 60k/day for 500xp? No small fleet can afford it. Thats 8 people's full contribution for one daily project.. not to mention the million other uses.
If anyone real company took something away vital away from their customers and said.. we'll return them in a few months. What would happen? They'd lose customers. If you have a plan to remove FMs from one source, then you should have had a plan to introduce or adjust the marks in other areas. To not do this shows complete and utter incompetence.
So we are going to get a look at the refinement cap when the average daily refinement increases close to the cap? This is just bs right? blowing smoke? We all know the average STO player is pretty clueless, probably brings in no fleet marks, marginal dilithium and has trouble beating standard difficult enemies. You will never get close to the cap on average, the gap between average and advanced is just too large.
The statement about starbase progression "design" is clearly a fabrication to calm the masses. You wanted to design a system that challenged large fleets so they didn't reach tier 5 overnight so you put high requirements in? But you time gated this, the 500 person fleets have so much resources their members can't even get fleet credits, and they are still time gated. So how what concerns of this overnight advancement is there really? The whole statement looks just made up. A fleet of 25 people that all log on every single day, all hit their dil caps and earn marks (this is a fantasy fleet that doesn't exist) wouldn't be able to meet the requirements of a t4 holdings daily. They would need about 170k dil daily? Plus upgrades, which are over the top expensive.
I don't understand this corporate philosophy of having to make your customers miserable. Why can't you let them be happy? They were a couple weeks ago, they could play, ACHIEVE something and feel proud of it, even if they were casual and can't spend hours a night grinding, they could do something... now you need the hours of grinding to do anything again. You need to get off your datamining and into the game and see what it really is, statistics don't provide perspective, feelings, the sense of despair.
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Yes I noticed last night when the raging started. That's how I knew about this thread but they started yanking it down shortly after it was posted. They also keep closing threads out of feedback moving them to the discussion section and now this news thread. In effect scattering everyone's comments, but its not going to stop peoples disgust! There were 44 pages on one thread and 74 pages on another and now 47 pages on this one.
I wonder if that why they are so scret about May. Could they be trying to hold off the rage as much as possible?
Star Trek: The Original Grind
Star Trek: The Next Grind
Star Trek: Deep Space Grind
Star Trek: Voyage to the Grind
- KDF Ambassador Syon vocalizing her objection to the discussions of possible peace talks with the UFP due to recent Borg and Undine activities. Hegh'bat, Stardate 66588.8
You're of the quaint notion that what Dstahl says is going to happen, and what actually happens are the same thing. How adorable.
Also, when are these changes going in? How will they compare income-wise to the IOR? What are fleets who relied on IOR for meaningful starbase progression to do in the meantime without developing insane burnout from mind-numbing grinding and leaving STO?
By closing loopholes and herding players to earn the rewards in specific, rigid ways is alienating the playerbase. Many to the point of quitting altogether. Most of us have to grind in our daily jobs. We come to STO for recreation and fun. Being forced to also grind here is not fun.
Pretty much this. Why don't you go incognito, make a couple of accounts, join some small fleets and keep your identity secret. See what people think about you and your system then and get a good dose of just how boring it is. I've had root canals that were more pleasurable than grinding fleet marks on your "content". I'm sad to report that wasn't an exaggeration.
"Spock, this 'child' is about to wipe out every living thing on Earth. Now, what do you suggest we do? Spank it?" -Commander Leonard 'Bones' McCoy, M.D.
I know you will say they got fleet credits but what good is credits if you are not in the fleet anymore to be able to buy ships and weapons anymore.
So thats your answer then?
Why is it a good assumption that they are?
What has changed from KDF not being profitable to make a full faction to adding a third one?
Surely they KDF is a bigger fanbase than the Rommies, yet see how things are with the KDF?
Where all of a sudden is this new revenue going to come from, if it is a new faction?
Everyone who defends Cryptics in not making a fully fledged KDF faction, always sites "Star Trek is about the Federation".
Once again, flip flop info.
Smells like new faction or "micro-faction, Stahl style (that no one wants)" to me.
"Spock, this 'child' is about to wipe out every living thing on Earth. Now, what do you suggest we do? Spank it?" -Commander Leonard 'Bones' McCoy, M.D.
When are these new sources of fleet marks coming?
We have been repeating the same, bland, uninspired missions for 6 months now.
I can PvP with my Fleet members, do STFs with them but aquire no Fleet Marks.
Yet I can que up with random strangers for "colony invasion" which has, let's be honest, only the most tenuous of connections with Fleet Starbases - and earn fleet marks.
Your team seems to think the few tiny squirts of fleet marks available from these fleet mark events are sufficient - they are not.
This is a failure on your part as a product and service provider to meet the expectations and needs of your customers, that is why you have nearly 500 angry responses within the short space of 24hrs.
Take it to heart, and work to rectify this.
He said it as my fault. Dan never cared...
- KDF Ambassador Syon vocalizing her objection to the discussions of possible peace talks with the UFP due to recent Borg and Undine activities. Hegh'bat, Stardate 66588.8
Trumpeting the "future" card is so lame it's not really worth mentioning or going on about... How longs a piece of string?
Yet again the captain at the helm is found wanting... I hope someone in authority is taking notes and reading these posts,you're setting a precedence for all future "so" called updates
:rolleyes:
Well, I hope that the PWE overlords in Asia can read English to see how their decision is going to affect their bottom dollar. I got paid yesterday and I like to spend a little when I'm paid. Not yesterday or today or tomorrow or the day after that until this debacle is fixed. I hope you notice my few cents missing from your greedy-a$$ pockets.
Cryptic have already surpassed that milestone. We are in new territory levels of stupidity for an MMO company
Maybe some in the industry needs to eat some humble pie like many real people have to?
- KDF Ambassador Syon vocalizing her objection to the discussions of possible peace talks with the UFP due to recent Borg and Undine activities. Hegh'bat, Stardate 66588.8
"Spock, this 'child' is about to wipe out every living thing on Earth. Now, what do you suggest we do? Spank it?" -Commander Leonard 'Bones' McCoy, M.D.