I'm sorry I must have misunderstood. Maybe you could please explain what you meant, and why this was the only thread involving guessing you choose to post those remarks in
'cause it's the one I happened to be reading when I decided somebody should say that.
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Personally I don't realy care about the missions, or whether or not they are copy pasted from FED. Or whether or not you got bored and peer pressured back into FED. I think the major things Klingons lack that set them apart are, the need a couple more ships to round them out endgame, even just fleet edition upgrades, and simple things like making it so the banks on the klink capital don't require practice to find the "sweet spot" in order to use them.
Marauding, slavers, and no diplomacy missions alone keep me favoring my Klinks. only FED toon I have any interest in playing is my Engineer because of the FED cruisers. Other then that I tried he Atrox, and got bored in about an hour with its hanger options.
- no. nobody plays missions anyway, apart from equipment grind at early VA. We have enough missions as is, and all future missions will be also available.
Hmm, that is my favorite and most played content. Most people I know and play with are primarily interested in mission content.
Please don't speak for everyone just because you and your friends prefer standard endgame content. Not everyone feels that way (and in fact, industry statistics on endgame vs. questline players don't support that view).
I think we need fully fleshed out mission content AND solid endgame content.
Well, Cryptic needs to pull away from the 45 to hr long missions and focus on the smaller 10 to 15 missions with those longer missions as end caps for each mission arc. Secondly, the leveling needs to be slower, like from 1 to 15 needs to be slow in order for the new player to get to know their ships, characters, and the game better.
Personally I don't realy care about the missions, or whether or not they are copy pasted from FED. Or whether or not you got bored and peer pressured back into FED. I think the major things Klingons lack that set them apart are, the need a couple more ships to round them out endgame, even just fleet edition upgrades, and simple things like making it so the banks on the klink capital don't require practice to find the "sweet spot" in order to use them.
Marauding, slavers, and no diplomacy missions alone keep me favoring my Klinks. only FED toon I have any interest in playing is my Engineer because of the FED cruisers. Other then that I tried he Atrox, and got bored in about an hour with its hanger options.
Whether you care or not about FE's or about missions being copy-pasted from the FEDs that's your opinion. The fact is we lack FE's and need a Klingon point-of-view in many missions that are shared with the Feds.
No. KDF is blatantly *NOT* a complete faction. I'm not saying it needs everything fed has. I'm saying at endgame it is not even.
I could be asrsed about leveling conentent, but it is not even at endgame. You only need to open your PvE queue to see that. It isn't even far away from "complete enough" they just need to make sure that if the Feds have an event the KDF has a copy. You don't even need to use Feds where they wouldn't fit. For example, it wouldn't make a huge amount of sense for the Feds to be attacking the KDF in a Starbase 24 scenario, the Feds would like peace with the KDF. You could easily copy the mission but replace the enemy with Fek'iri and call it a day.
I hope that is the plan, TBH. If they can replicate the same amount of endgame conent for KDF that Fed has I'd go Red Team in a hot second. I just lost my patience with the KDF when they decided they were going to Copy Pasta the Gorn Mine Field event (To *REPLACE!!!!!!* a perfectly functioning Fed event!) and yet they didn't see fit to do the same for Starbase 24 when KDF didn't have a version of it. Yes, one small issue, but it was the straw the broke the camel's back and made me see the writing on the wall.
I don't care one lick about having the same amount of content total, but at endgame it should be even. It currently isn't, and that is why I say that the KDF is not finished. It wouldn't even be hard to make it happen.
Now, because it wouldn't be hard to make it happen I haven't completely given up hope, but if we get a Romulan faction before we get parity with the KDF endgame, I'll seriously consider deleting my KDF characters to get more Fed character slots.
Edit: I don't have some silly conspiracy theory that Cryptic hates the KDF. I just think that they are making poor decisions on how resources are spent. I don't really want them to spend a silly amount of resources buffing the KDF for what is a vast minority of players, but a little copypasta at endgame is not much to ask.
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New Romulus-like adventure zone in the Nimbus System
It has been listed there for MONTHS. No matter how many times I link to it through our fleet forums you seem to pass right over it, delcaring that Romulans are coming for certain in May. Prove it. Link me to something that says otherwise. And no, I don't mean link me to something that says "Romulans are a maybe;" link me to something that says for certain "Romulans are due out in May!"
You like to skip over the facts. Stop. Slow down and take a breath and do some research before jumping to conclusions and ignoring what others' have to say.
I have no doubt we are getting some sort of Romulan faction in May.
I just think it is pre-mature, unless they manage to fill the KDF's PvE queue before May. It is certainly possible, I just haven't heard any plans for that yet.
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Interesting article and one I agree with. The idea of an "enemy" faction is curious though, does a game like STO really need one?
Not in the slightest. KDF should have been an ally from the start. Approaching the same Iconian problem from different angles. And then when everyone got to lvl 50 they get to dig into the issue together.
I'm okay with the FEs being copypasta since there's nothing culture specific about them. (Even the Doomsday Device could be done by KDF by that measure.) But a full faction needs more than just eleven missions and a red HUD.
Maybe it's a reveal of a massive invasion by Iconians and Tal'shiar that has to be repulsed by the combined efforts of the Federation and Klingon Empire?
I was thinking more likely a time travel mission which sends you back to the Vulcan civil war, as from what I understand the teaser they use references the Romulan split from Vulcan.
Either way, zero chance for a playable Romulan faction, and only slightly higher than zero chance for KDF being finished (there's not enough material for playable Romulans, and finishing KDF seems pointless).
But a full faction needs more than just eleven missions and a red HUD.
That's why there won't be playable Romulans (also, too few ships, even though by the sound of it Romulan ships would sell well - I know I'd love me a D'Deridex).
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Interesting article and one I agree with. The idea of an "enemy" faction is curious though, does a game like STO really need one?
I like to RP and PVP in MMOs. Is the reason I joined the KDF because it was "The PVP Faction" and our enemy was the UFP.
I don't want to fight for the sake of fighting... I want to further my faction and it's interest through means other than peace. Nutcupping with the UFP is not going to do that, in the least.
Peace is a horrible idea and will be the reason I delete all and move on. I know that I am not alone and can see part of the player base doing the same... or not... but what will I care? Not my house payment and lifestyle riding on the outcomes of this game and it's future.
Also, the Rommies prolly won't have a third faction and **** will get crazy come May when the feddies get all that they want and the rest if us get to go look for new means of online entertainment. The PVE element will keep floating cryptic's boat as usual and won't even notice our departure.
Oh well, some other company will provide me with the incentive to kill others and spend cash to do it, happily.
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- KDF Ambassador Syon vocalizing her objection to the discussions of possible peace talks with the UFP due to recent Borg and Undine activities.Hegh'bat, Stardate 66588.8
Not in the slightest. KDF should have been an ally from the start. Approaching the same Iconian problem from different angles. And then when everyone got to lvl 50 they get to dig into the issue together.
I'm okay with the FEs being copypasta since there's nothing culture specific about them. (Even the Doomsday Device could be done by KDF by that measure.) But a full faction needs more than just eleven missions and a red HUD (That makes your eyeballs bleed).
Fix'd for you.
But yeah, that kind of goes without saying, but I wonder if STO needs a player "enemy" faction at all. Just food for thought, that's all.
Rse needs ascended foundry authors, let cryptic deal with the systemsstuff
Cryptics stuff isn't terrible, it's just "generic'd" a bit too much. Foundry authors tend to have more fun with the responses and decisions you can make. I don't think that FE's should stop, but ascended foundry missions should be a big part of this game.
They might notice fewer tearstains on the pillow cases.
Yes, that and Kleenex sales will go down... and for the reasons stated.;)
"Dammit J'mpok! I'm a Warrior, not a Worrier!"
- KDF Ambassador Syon vocalizing her objection to the discussions of possible peace talks with the UFP due to recent Borg and Undine activities.Hegh'bat, Stardate 66588.8
don't worry, my Orion Marauder will steal your stuff after you're gone....
If only we could steal stuff... Oh, I would be in this to win this!
Fret not, will destroy everything as befitting a proper warrior. Burn it all, leave nothing behind.
"Dammit J'mpok! I'm a Warrior, not a Worrier!"
- KDF Ambassador Syon vocalizing her objection to the discussions of possible peace talks with the UFP due to recent Borg and Undine activities.Hegh'bat, Stardate 66588.8
The KDF faction has technically gone backwards, so I guess you're right. When I started playing the game, I had to level my Klingon from the beginning. Not level 20.
And things have changed. They have a much bigger staff now.
Their current staff is not bigger than the staff that created the game. And that staff, being both bigger and having more cash, couldn't create a second faction effectively. So, you know, I think your overconfidence in Cryptic underscores your lack of experience with the company or the KDF.
Their current staff is not bigger than the staff that created the game. And that staff, being both bigger and having more cash, couldn't create a second faction effectively. So, you know, I think your overconfidence in Cryptic underscores your lack of experience with the company or the KDF.
Source on that?
I'm seriously curious, first I know of any hard numbers from any official source was around the time Atari was trying to suffocate Cryptic slowly, when we learned they only had 20-ish folks.
I do think you're ignoring the fact that they were also under a downright ludicrous time constraint when the early team made STO, though. It makes sense they'd shaft the KDF in favor of the faction synonymous with Star Trek for most people if they wanted their game to have a snowball's chance in hell of making it out at all. The fault is less on Cryptic at that time and more on their higher-ups really overselling what they could do in a given amount of time.
Why they haven't done much to help the KDF post-release is another matter altogether...
Cryptics stuff isn't terrible, it's just "generic'd" a bit too much.
Cryptic has a reputation for making MMOs on a budget. Which is why they do things halfway, and incomplete. They cut corners. That's why they don't do the full end-game raid experience. They don't do second factions. They don't go all the way on most of their things (Though I will admit their character creation has been 110% above and beyond most games in all three of the big MMORPGs they created).
They try to be innovative. Things like the genesis system for exploration, or the attempt to make diplomacy were innovative. But buggy and incomplete.
The idea behind featured episodes was also a bit innovative in how it could have shifted end-game MMORPGs away from the "raiding" game and into consistently updated "episodic" content. But they again only went halfway and never had the staff time or resources to pull that off properly.
Cryptic just doesn't have a tendency to finish. But it starts a lot of cool things, that's for sure.
And somewhere in that big chaotic mess of beginnings they have a game. That's playable. A bit too grindy for me, but there's still a lot of Trek-ness here, so meh.
In regards to some of the recent post, I'd like to put 2 very important facts out there:
1) Cryptic originally intended for both factions to have full PvE content.
2) Cryptic did not set the release date for the game; it was imposed upon them by CBS.
So Cryptic originally wanted for there to be a full KDF faction, they simply werent able to do it in the time they had. After launch, the question became how do they use their limited resources(budget/manpower). Since the majority of the players were Fed, they have catered to the majority of their customers for the past 3 years.
That really is the long and short of it. Now they supposedly have a much bigger team, and could theoretically finally "finish" the KDF like they originally wanted. The question is whether they will actually do so before introducing another faction; the Romulans.
I'm seriously curious, first I know of any hard numbers from any official source was around the time Atari was trying to suffocate Cryptic slowly, when we learned they only had 20-ish folks.
I gotta dig. A lot of folks remember the "content drought" and the "no cups in the kitchen" days when Atari was leaving the staff with no ability to do anything.
But we do need to remember the days when the game was in beta, had a huge cash infusion from Atari, a big staff and was nothing but positivity moving forward. The game that was created and launched had a lot of cash and staff involved in it.
It's 12 months after that which all of us bitter veterans harp on.
The KDF faction has technically gone backwards, so I guess you're right. When I started playing the game, I had to level my Klingon from the beginning. Not level 20.
Their current staff is not bigger than the staff that created the game. And that staff, being both bigger and having more cash, couldn't create a second faction effectively. So, you know, I think your overconfidence in Cryptic underscores your lack of experience with the company or the KDF.
Well said!
For all we know it was a team of consultants doing some metrics on the state of the game and has nothing to do at all with the "not-Season 8".
Hmm, balloons didn't go over too well this year?
As a result, I predict next year's anniversary will go down like this...
DStahl: " We, at cryptic, have invested considerable time, effort and resources in order to better understand what you, the STO player was wanting to see the most in STO... As a result of all the hard work done, we give you... GLITTER!!!"
*the lag monster then proceeds to chew through everything in it's path, devastating all it touches*
As a note, one forum poster will then state "It was as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced..." then the offending post will be removed and the c-store rendered safe, again.
"Dammit J'mpok! I'm a Warrior, not a Worrier!"
- KDF Ambassador Syon vocalizing her objection to the discussions of possible peace talks with the UFP due to recent Borg and Undine activities.Hegh'bat, Stardate 66588.8
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'cause it's the one I happened to be reading when I decided somebody should say that.
Marauding, slavers, and no diplomacy missions alone keep me favoring my Klinks. only FED toon I have any interest in playing is my Engineer because of the FED cruisers. Other then that I tried he Atrox, and got bored in about an hour with its hanger options.
Hmm, that is my favorite and most played content. Most people I know and play with are primarily interested in mission content.
Please don't speak for everyone just because you and your friends prefer standard endgame content. Not everyone feels that way (and in fact, industry statistics on endgame vs. questline players don't support that view).
I think we need fully fleshed out mission content AND solid endgame content.
Whether you care or not about FE's or about missions being copy-pasted from the FEDs that's your opinion. The fact is we lack FE's and need a Klingon point-of-view in many missions that are shared with the Feds.
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Besides not finishing KDF ... is the best way to keep Romulan Fans playing ... :P because they'll always have to wait for this magical day ....
I could be asrsed about leveling conentent, but it is not even at endgame. You only need to open your PvE queue to see that. It isn't even far away from "complete enough" they just need to make sure that if the Feds have an event the KDF has a copy. You don't even need to use Feds where they wouldn't fit. For example, it wouldn't make a huge amount of sense for the Feds to be attacking the KDF in a Starbase 24 scenario, the Feds would like peace with the KDF. You could easily copy the mission but replace the enemy with Fek'iri and call it a day.
I hope that is the plan, TBH. If they can replicate the same amount of endgame conent for KDF that Fed has I'd go Red Team in a hot second. I just lost my patience with the KDF when they decided they were going to Copy Pasta the Gorn Mine Field event (To *REPLACE!!!!!!* a perfectly functioning Fed event!) and yet they didn't see fit to do the same for Starbase 24 when KDF didn't have a version of it. Yes, one small issue, but it was the straw the broke the camel's back and made me see the writing on the wall.
I don't care one lick about having the same amount of content total, but at endgame it should be even. It currently isn't, and that is why I say that the KDF is not finished. It wouldn't even be hard to make it happen.
Now, because it wouldn't be hard to make it happen I haven't completely given up hope, but if we get a Romulan faction before we get parity with the KDF endgame, I'll seriously consider deleting my KDF characters to get more Fed character slots.
Edit: I don't have some silly conspiracy theory that Cryptic hates the KDF. I just think that they are making poor decisions on how resources are spent. I don't really want them to spend a silly amount of resources buffing the KDF for what is a vast minority of players, but a little copypasta at endgame is not much to ask.
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http://www.stowiki.org/Upcoming_content
Season 8 specifically says:
New Romulus-like adventure zone in the Nimbus System
It has been listed there for MONTHS. No matter how many times I link to it through our fleet forums you seem to pass right over it, delcaring that Romulans are coming for certain in May. Prove it. Link me to something that says otherwise. And no, I don't mean link me to something that says "Romulans are a maybe;" link me to something that says for certain "Romulans are due out in May!"
You like to skip over the facts. Stop. Slow down and take a breath and do some research before jumping to conclusions and ignoring what others' have to say.
I just think it is pre-mature, unless they manage to fill the KDF's PvE queue before May. It is certainly possible, I just haven't heard any plans for that yet.
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http://massively.joystiq.com/2013/02/11/captains-log-ruminating-on-star-trek-onlines-future-story/
Maybe the developers will "grace" us with a response...
Interesting article and one I agree with. The idea of an "enemy" faction is curious though, does a game like STO really need one?
Not in the slightest. KDF should have been an ally from the start. Approaching the same Iconian problem from different angles. And then when everyone got to lvl 50 they get to dig into the issue together.
I'm okay with the FEs being copypasta since there's nothing culture specific about them. (Even the Doomsday Device could be done by KDF by that measure.) But a full faction needs more than just eleven missions and a red HUD.
Either way, zero chance for a playable Romulan faction, and only slightly higher than zero chance for KDF being finished (there's not enough material for playable Romulans, and finishing KDF seems pointless). That's why there won't be playable Romulans (also, too few ships, even though by the sound of it Romulan ships would sell well - I know I'd love me a D'Deridex).
I like to RP and PVP in MMOs. Is the reason I joined the KDF because it was "The PVP Faction" and our enemy was the UFP.
I don't want to fight for the sake of fighting... I want to further my faction and it's interest through means other than peace. Nutcupping with the UFP is not going to do that, in the least.
Peace is a horrible idea and will be the reason I delete all and move on. I know that I am not alone and can see part of the player base doing the same... or not... but what will I care? Not my house payment and lifestyle riding on the outcomes of this game and it's future.
Also, the Rommies prolly won't have a third faction and **** will get crazy come May when the feddies get all that they want and the rest if us get to go look for new means of online entertainment. The PVE element will keep floating cryptic's boat as usual and won't even notice our departure.
Oh well, some other company will provide me with the incentive to kill others and spend cash to do it, happily.
- KDF Ambassador Syon vocalizing her objection to the discussions of possible peace talks with the UFP due to recent Borg and Undine activities. Hegh'bat, Stardate 66588.8
Fix'd for you.
But yeah, that kind of goes without saying, but I wonder if STO needs a player "enemy" faction at all. Just food for thought, that's all.
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Cryptics stuff isn't terrible, it's just "generic'd" a bit too much. Foundry authors tend to have more fun with the responses and decisions you can make. I don't think that FE's should stop, but ascended foundry missions should be a big part of this game.
They might notice fewer tearstains on the pillow cases.
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Yes, that and Kleenex sales will go down... and for the reasons stated.;)
- KDF Ambassador Syon vocalizing her objection to the discussions of possible peace talks with the UFP due to recent Borg and Undine activities. Hegh'bat, Stardate 66588.8
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If only we could steal stuff... Oh, I would be in this to win this!
Fret not, will destroy everything as befitting a proper warrior. Burn it all, leave nothing behind.
- KDF Ambassador Syon vocalizing her objection to the discussions of possible peace talks with the UFP due to recent Borg and Undine activities. Hegh'bat, Stardate 66588.8
The KDF faction has technically gone backwards, so I guess you're right. When I started playing the game, I had to level my Klingon from the beginning. Not level 20.
Their current staff is not bigger than the staff that created the game. And that staff, being both bigger and having more cash, couldn't create a second faction effectively. So, you know, I think your overconfidence in Cryptic underscores your lack of experience with the company or the KDF.
Source on that?
I'm seriously curious, first I know of any hard numbers from any official source was around the time Atari was trying to suffocate Cryptic slowly, when we learned they only had 20-ish folks.
I do think you're ignoring the fact that they were also under a downright ludicrous time constraint when the early team made STO, though. It makes sense they'd shaft the KDF in favor of the faction synonymous with Star Trek for most people if they wanted their game to have a snowball's chance in hell of making it out at all. The fault is less on Cryptic at that time and more on their higher-ups really overselling what they could do in a given amount of time.
Why they haven't done much to help the KDF post-release is another matter altogether...
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Cryptic has a reputation for making MMOs on a budget. Which is why they do things halfway, and incomplete. They cut corners. That's why they don't do the full end-game raid experience. They don't do second factions. They don't go all the way on most of their things (Though I will admit their character creation has been 110% above and beyond most games in all three of the big MMORPGs they created).
They try to be innovative. Things like the genesis system for exploration, or the attempt to make diplomacy were innovative. But buggy and incomplete.
The idea behind featured episodes was also a bit innovative in how it could have shifted end-game MMORPGs away from the "raiding" game and into consistently updated "episodic" content. But they again only went halfway and never had the staff time or resources to pull that off properly.
Cryptic just doesn't have a tendency to finish. But it starts a lot of cool things, that's for sure.
And somewhere in that big chaotic mess of beginnings they have a game. That's playable. A bit too grindy for me, but there's still a lot of Trek-ness here, so meh.
1) Cryptic originally intended for both factions to have full PvE content.
2) Cryptic did not set the release date for the game; it was imposed upon them by CBS.
So Cryptic originally wanted for there to be a full KDF faction, they simply werent able to do it in the time they had. After launch, the question became how do they use their limited resources(budget/manpower). Since the majority of the players were Fed, they have catered to the majority of their customers for the past 3 years.
That really is the long and short of it. Now they supposedly have a much bigger team, and could theoretically finally "finish" the KDF like they originally wanted. The question is whether they will actually do so before introducing another faction; the Romulans.
I gotta dig. A lot of folks remember the "content drought" and the "no cups in the kitchen" days when Atari was leaving the staff with no ability to do anything.
But we do need to remember the days when the game was in beta, had a huge cash infusion from Atari, a big staff and was nothing but positivity moving forward. The game that was created and launched had a lot of cash and staff involved in it.
It's 12 months after that which all of us bitter veterans harp on.
Well said!
For all we know it was a team of consultants doing some metrics on the state of the game and has nothing to do at all with the "not-Season 8".
Hmm, balloons didn't go over too well this year?
As a result, I predict next year's anniversary will go down like this...
DStahl: " We, at cryptic, have invested considerable time, effort and resources in order to better understand what you, the STO player was wanting to see the most in STO... As a result of all the hard work done, we give you... GLITTER!!!"
*the lag monster then proceeds to chew through everything in it's path, devastating all it touches*
As a note, one forum poster will then state "It was as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced..." then the offending post will be removed and the c-store rendered safe, again.
- KDF Ambassador Syon vocalizing her objection to the discussions of possible peace talks with the UFP due to recent Borg and Undine activities. Hegh'bat, Stardate 66588.8