The Ambassador's a slightly slower turning Sci variant of the Excelsior (a C-Store ship) so if you play Sci or want a Gravity Well/Viral Matrix/whatever on your Eng/Tac then it's a nice option - certainly more interesting than the no-frills RA ships available for free in-game.
The Kamarag's a similar alternative to the Vor'cha or K't'inga retrofits KDF-side - with DHCs and perhaps an RCS Accelerator or two it'll do some decent DPS and be pretty tanky.
Neither ship is going to be that exciting if you're already flying a C-Store or Fleet ship but as an alternative to what's currently available for free, they're both really good.
I love them both. Love how they did the stats and bridge officers slots. I was thinking the Ambassador would went more science, but it went tactical. So this will give me a sweet ship. I really love seeing this. Can't wait to do the mission and get my Capt. into her. Later if many don't keep using the Ambassador as the newness wears off. You will still see mine coming back home from another mission. I tend to keep mine going for a long time. Since I always been a huge fan of the ship. Since "Yesterday's Enterprise."
The KDF ship, I love how it looks. I was wanting the K'T'inga to use at T5. But it went "Fleet" instead. And thus removed my chances for it. Which I was not very happy about. With this, it will give me a version of that classic ship. So this is worthy to me as well. I'm looking forward to have this ship as well.
Many thanks STO for an awesome gift. I will use it well!
USS Casinghead NCC 92047 launched 2350
Fleet Admiral Stowe - Dominion War Vet.
these are good ships, and will be useful. i only hope a fleet version isnt far behind though, i want to use these, but the lack of console, and the bit antiquated shield mod and hull hitpoints simply puts them at a disadvantage to every fleet and lock box ship option
the ody is a good healer, but to hav a LTC sci, you also are stuck with an LT sci too, and minimal eng powers. these ships lets you have most eng, and still a powerful sci. this is a beter spread of powers for a healer.
the ambassador stats make the galaxy R look real bad, as if it needed help doing that. more then ever it needs a fair shake. at LEAST a universal ENS station on the fleet version, at LEAST!!. 5 eng consoles, no thanks, 3 tac please. the galaxy in canon is about twice the size (volume) and twice as powerful as an ambassador, they should at least break even in game.
If you like raw firepower, may I suggest joining the KDF?
I have 3 KDF characters, thank you very much, all at max level, and firepower is NOT what I was lamenting in that post. I want to just be able to TURN MY SHIP as well as I can the equivalent KDF ship.
That is all.
My point in my original post was that the KDF lose basically NOTHING to get 150% the turn rate. Let alone the cannons and cloak. it's the TURN RATE, that is the issue to me.
Sheesh.
Formerly Known as Protector from June 2008 to June 20, 2012
Please enable us to buy a token with Zen to faction change a 25th Century FED to a TOS FED.
these are good ships, and will be useful. i only hope a fleet version isnt far behind though, i want to use these, but the lack of console, and the bit antiquated shield mod and hull hitpoints simply puts them at a disadvantage to every fleet and lock box ship option
the ody is a good healer, but to hav a LTC sci, you also are stuck with an LT sci too, and minimal eng powers. these ships lets you have most eng, and still a powerful sci. this is a beter spread of powers for a healer.
the ambassador stats make the galaxy R look real bad, as if it needed help doing that. more then ever it needs a fair shake. at LEAST a universal ENS station on the fleet version, at LEAST!!. 5 eng consoles, no thanks, 3 tac please. the galaxy in canon is about twice the size (volume) and twice as powerful as an ambassador, they should at least break even in game.
Indeed, poor Galaxy is stuck being a super-duper tank/healer that isn't actually more super-duper at tanking or healing than other ships thanks to its extremely inefficient BOff layout and TRIBBLE-poor console arrangement. If there was a bit more, shall we say, variety in Ens Engineering powers it'd be less of a problem, but no matter what, it'll always be stuck being hamstrung care of its consoles relative to every other cruiser out there.
Compare and contrast it to the Tholian Recluse Carrier as a healer, I dare you.
If you feel Keel'el's effect is well designed, please, for your own safety, be very careful around shallow pools of water.
these are good ships, and will be useful. i only hope a fleet version isnt far behind though, i want to use these, but the lack of console, and the bit antiquated shield mod and hull hitpoints simply puts them at a disadvantage to every fleet and lock box ship option
the ody is a good healer, but to hav a LTC sci, you also are stuck with an LT sci too, and minimal eng powers. these ships lets you have most eng, and still a powerful sci. this is a beter spread of powers for a healer.
the ambassador stats make the galaxy R look real bad, as if it needed help doing that. more then ever it needs a fair shake. at LEAST a universal ENS station on the fleet version, at LEAST!!. 5 eng consoles, no thanks, 3 tac please. the galaxy in canon is about twice the size (volume) and twice as powerful as an ambassador, they should at least break even in game.
Yes the boff laoyout is really nice on the Fed ship. It's very tanky, 7 turnrate is ok, and having a LtCmdr sci + an enseign and Lt tac is really interesting. It will be a valuable alternative to the galor with a 10 consoles c-store version.
I don't doubt that support is much valued in PvP. However, the way STO designs its PvE, everything goes super awesome if all participants are geared for maximum DPS. A cruiser with a turn rate of 7 can't do this very well.
My feeling is that with the stats it has (and looking at the turnrate on the Klingon ship PLUS cloak PLUS cannons), they should look at bumping the Ambassador's turnrate up to a 9 or 10 and add subsystem targeting, since it's a Science-y cruiser.
In fact, I think any cruiser whose Klingon "counterpart" gets decent turnrate, cannons, and cloak probably deserves a turnrate buff and subsystem targeting on the Fed version.
My feeling is that with the stats it has (and looking at the turnrate on the Klingon ship PLUS cloak PLUS cannons), they should look at bumping the Ambassador's turnrate up to a 9 or 10 and add subsystem targeting, since it's a Science-y cruiser.
In fact, I think any cruiser whose Klingon "counterpart" gets decent turnrate, cannons, and cloak probably deserves a turnrate buff and subsystem targeting on the Fed version.
Thank you for getting it...
Formerly Known as Protector from June 2008 to June 20, 2012
Please enable us to buy a token with Zen to faction change a 25th Century FED to a TOS FED.
I have only 2 issues with the ambassador. It's am amazing looking ship, which is an opinion I've had for a long time now. Thing is, it is yet another ship with a useless ens tac slot. tac team 1 is pretty much the only power to go in there. My other issue is the turn rate. 7 is just insanely low. I'd bump it up to at least an 8, maybe a 9.
Problematically, if both of those changes were implemented it would make the ship more than just a little OP!
My only problem with the kamarag is...well, it is a new karfi imo. Nice stats, but as ugly as a slug that has just been stepped on. I think mitigating that would be possible by giving the ability to customise it with either or both k'tinga family and vorcha family ship parts. The windows also need to be toned down a tad both in number and size.
I await the fleet retro of these boats
Congratulations on the upcoming 3rd anniversary! (and the 1st anniversary of my playing this game)
i just hope the feature episode isnt near a klingon colony or romulans or a system called Narendra lol besides that great ship i really look forward to it i think i need to go get phasers and proton torpedos instead of my anti proton beams give some respect to picard the ship deserves to be used with the correct gear imo
The ship that's nearly a century out of date outclasses most cruisers that came after it, that's not a valid complaint?
Also, the ship is ugly and mediocre. Its ok for a free ship, but anyone serious about cruisers will already have or be looking to getting one of the superior ships. The time spent designing this monstrosity could have been spent adding real content or fixing any one of countless bugs.
You are playing a Video Game. Are you such an avid fan of the Star Trek Franchise that you would forgo the Ability to play one of the classic Starships on an even footing with more advanced starships such as the Defiant, Odyssey, and Sovereign? Or would you rather play a boring game where all of the classic ships are Tier 1 through 3 (no matter what) and the Tier 4 and 5 ships are all ships made in the 24th or later centuries? In otherwords, all fleet ships would by necessity have to of been manufactured in the 24th or 25th centuries (unless they are Time Ships).
BTW, I'm not against buffing the Galaxy or developing it as well. I just think the Ambassador probably isn't where it should be either and that shows with relation to the KDF ship being released here. (And the Galor is similarly the most unimpressive lockbox ship. I got one for RP reasons and its big perk is its weapons.)
"Critics who say that the optimistic utopia Star Trek depicted is now outmoded forget the cultural context that gave birth to it: Star Trek was not a manifestation of optimism when optimism was easy. Star Trek declared a hope for a future that nobody stuck in the present could believe in. For all our struggles today, we haven’t outgrown the need for stories like Star Trek. We need tales of optimism, of heroes, of courage and goodness now as much as we’ve ever needed them." -Thomas Marrone
Both are nice, but the turn for the Amb is a dealbreaker for me. It's nowhere big enough to warrant a 7. It should be 9.
If Cryptic wants my MONEY...they will need to make a C-Store Ambassador with at LEAST an 8, possibly a 9 turn rate.
A 7 is just too crappy, while yet AGAIN KDF players get a ship with superior turn rate (10.5). Granted I'm not going to complain over a *free* ship, but for the love of GOD...please increase her turn rate to AT LEAST an Excelsior!
I have always liked the Ambassador Class ship's design, for it was created to bridge the gap between Kirk and Picard's time periods. I love how this ship fuses the Galaxy and Constitution class design elements. Very nice anniversary ship. Thank you Cryptic.
And where are we going to put these ships? Anyone who has played oven the last 2 years or so have reached there 30 ship slot max. Between runabouts , c-note\ zen ships. , lock box ship and so one . My guys are running out of space to put these things. Either revamp the slotting system , or allow people to buy unlimited slots. You are always saying the owns of this game want to make money. Well let people buy slots. slots for doff , boff, ships bank and so on make the game . not silly ships.
"Critics who say that the optimistic utopia Star Trek depicted is now outmoded forget the cultural context that gave birth to it: Star Trek was not a manifestation of optimism when optimism was easy. Star Trek declared a hope for a future that nobody stuck in the present could believe in. For all our struggles today, we haven’t outgrown the need for stories like Star Trek. We need tales of optimism, of heroes, of courage and goodness now as much as we’ve ever needed them." -Thomas Marrone
The ship that's nearly a century out of date outclasses most cruisers that came after it, that's not a valid complaint?
Also, the ship is ugly and mediocre. Its ok for a free ship, but anyone serious about cruisers will already have or be looking to getting one of the superior ships. The time spent designing this monstrosity could have been spent adding real content or fixing any one of countless bugs.
You do know that different people design ships and fix bugs......right?
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The Kamarag's a similar alternative to the Vor'cha or K't'inga retrofits KDF-side - with DHCs and perhaps an RCS Accelerator or two it'll do some decent DPS and be pretty tanky.
Neither ship is going to be that exciting if you're already flying a C-Store or Fleet ship but as an alternative to what's currently available for free, they're both really good.
The KDF ship, I love how it looks. I was wanting the K'T'inga to use at T5. But it went "Fleet" instead. And thus removed my chances for it. Which I was not very happy about. With this, it will give me a version of that classic ship. So this is worthy to me as well. I'm looking forward to have this ship as well.
Many thanks STO for an awesome gift. I will use it well!
USS Casinghead NCC 92047 launched 2350
Fleet Admiral Stowe - Dominion War Vet.
the ody is a good healer, but to hav a LTC sci, you also are stuck with an LT sci too, and minimal eng powers. these ships lets you have most eng, and still a powerful sci. this is a beter spread of powers for a healer.
the ambassador stats make the galaxy R look real bad, as if it needed help doing that. more then ever it needs a fair shake. at LEAST a universal ENS station on the fleet version, at LEAST!!. 5 eng consoles, no thanks, 3 tac please. the galaxy in canon is about twice the size (volume) and twice as powerful as an ambassador, they should at least break even in game.
What a pretty ship ! Pure simple classic design configuration !
If I squint she almost looks like a ............... never mind
Thank you ! Cryptic for another cool free ship.
P.S. I'm LOVIN my Breen ships !
THANKS AGAIN
the fleet ktinga is awesome, 4 fleet mods costs less then 20 mil ec on the exchange. its not something out of reach!
I have 3 KDF characters, thank you very much, all at max level, and firepower is NOT what I was lamenting in that post. I want to just be able to TURN MY SHIP as well as I can the equivalent KDF ship.
That is all.
My point in my original post was that the KDF lose basically NOTHING to get 150% the turn rate. Let alone the cannons and cloak. it's the TURN RATE, that is the issue to me.
Sheesh.
Please enable us to buy a token with Zen to faction change a 25th Century FED to a TOS FED.
I like free ships, but i am not really a cruiser Captain.....
Indeed, poor Galaxy is stuck being a super-duper tank/healer that isn't actually more super-duper at tanking or healing than other ships thanks to its extremely inefficient BOff layout and TRIBBLE-poor console arrangement. If there was a bit more, shall we say, variety in Ens Engineering powers it'd be less of a problem, but no matter what, it'll always be stuck being hamstrung care of its consoles relative to every other cruiser out there.
Compare and contrast it to the Tholian Recluse Carrier as a healer, I dare you.
Looks really good close up.
After getting a good look and comparing with the Model, I had had to make a critique thread:
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=532701
Sorry for the nitpicking Cryptic, but I like accuracy.
Yes the boff laoyout is really nice on the Fed ship. It's very tanky, 7 turnrate is ok, and having a LtCmdr sci + an enseign and Lt tac is really interesting. It will be a valuable alternative to the galor with a 10 consoles c-store version.
God, lvl 60 CW. 17k.
I guess it is what it is... Looks good but I'd probally never use it... its sub par for what most of us have already
My feeling is that with the stats it has (and looking at the turnrate on the Klingon ship PLUS cloak PLUS cannons), they should look at bumping the Ambassador's turnrate up to a 9 or 10 and add subsystem targeting, since it's a Science-y cruiser.
In fact, I think any cruiser whose Klingon "counterpart" gets decent turnrate, cannons, and cloak probably deserves a turnrate buff and subsystem targeting on the Fed version.
Thank you for getting it...
Please enable us to buy a token with Zen to faction change a 25th Century FED to a TOS FED.
Problematically, if both of those changes were implemented it would make the ship more than just a little OP!
My only problem with the kamarag is...well, it is a new karfi imo. Nice stats, but as ugly as a slug that has just been stepped on. I think mitigating that would be possible by giving the ability to customise it with either or both k'tinga family and vorcha family ship parts. The windows also need to be toned down a tad both in number and size.
I await the fleet retro of these boats
Congratulations on the upcoming 3rd anniversary! (and the 1st anniversary of my playing this game)
You are playing a Video Game. Are you such an avid fan of the Star Trek Franchise that you would forgo the Ability to play one of the classic Starships on an even footing with more advanced starships such as the Defiant, Odyssey, and Sovereign? Or would you rather play a boring game where all of the classic ships are Tier 1 through 3 (no matter what) and the Tier 4 and 5 ships are all ships made in the 24th or later centuries? In otherwords, all fleet ships would by necessity have to of been manufactured in the 24th or 25th centuries (unless they are Time Ships).
BTW, I'm not against buffing the Galaxy or developing it as well. I just think the Ambassador probably isn't where it should be either and that shows with relation to the KDF ship being released here. (And the Galor is similarly the most unimpressive lockbox ship. I got one for RP reasons and its big perk is its weapons.)
Where on tribble can you purchase it
I think he means you can see out the shipyard window.
Wait for someone asking if it can equip single cannons too...
Join date 20 Sept 2008
"Critics who say that the optimistic utopia Star Trek depicted is now outmoded forget the cultural context that gave birth to it: Star Trek was not a manifestation of optimism when optimism was easy. Star Trek declared a hope for a future that nobody stuck in the present could believe in. For all our struggles today, we haven’t outgrown the need for stories like Star Trek. We need tales of optimism, of heroes, of courage and goodness now as much as we’ve ever needed them."
-Thomas Marrone
If Cryptic wants my MONEY...they will need to make a C-Store Ambassador with at LEAST an 8, possibly a 9 turn rate.
A 7 is just too crappy, while yet AGAIN KDF players get a ship with superior turn rate (10.5). Granted I'm not going to complain over a *free* ship, but for the love of GOD...please increase her turn rate to AT LEAST an Excelsior!
Whoot! Whoot!
Like said above, it was outside the window.
But it was also available at the Test Ship Console, but I wasn't able to claim any ships from it but the Odyssey.
i cannot ever remember seeing one in any ep of ds9
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In "Emissary", we see one fighting the Borg Cube at Wolf 359.
"Critics who say that the optimistic utopia Star Trek depicted is now outmoded forget the cultural context that gave birth to it: Star Trek was not a manifestation of optimism when optimism was easy. Star Trek declared a hope for a future that nobody stuck in the present could believe in. For all our struggles today, we haven’t outgrown the need for stories like Star Trek. We need tales of optimism, of heroes, of courage and goodness now as much as we’ve ever needed them."
-Thomas Marrone
You do know that different people design ships and fix bugs......right?
I for one think it's an attractive ship.
i ment to say in the dominion war
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