Fail..............I will stay in my fleet excelsior
Jellico....Engineer ground.....Da'val Romulan space Sci
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
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Both ships look really nice. Kudos to the ship team.
Design-wise, though, I kind of relate with the discontents. A distinguishing way to set it appart could've been to grant it a good cruiser turn rate (9-10ish) to justify Tasha Yar's comment over it being more maneuverable than its Romulan counterparts. Maybe it woudn't have been powerful (like the MVAE, the LtSci really isn't helping it all that much) but at least it'd have been a pleasure to fly around - as is, it's barely more maneuverable than the oh-so-much-more-huge Odyssey.
As is, despite my being a Fed player, the Kamarag is mostly what I look forward to. It might be an excuse for me to actually create (and not delete) a Klingon character.
Both ships look really nice. Kudos to the ship team.
Design-wise, though, I kind of relate with the discontents. A distinguishing way to set it appart could've been to grant it a good cruiser turn rate (9-10ish) to justify Tasha Yar's comment over it being more maneuverable than its Romulan counterparts. Maybe it woudn't have been powerful (like the MVAE, the LtSci really isn't helping it all that much) but at least it'd have been a pleasure to fly around - as is, it's barely more maneuverable than the oh-so-much-more-huge Odyssey.
As is, despite my being a Fed player, the Kamarag is mostly what I look forward to. It might be an excuse for me to actually create (and not delete) a Klingon character.
Being able to pile up tons of contraband and resources with Klingon Doffs is reason enough to make and keep a Klingon, IMO.
Most of them seem totally oblivious that militaries refitting old ships with new technology to bring them up to date is a totally normal thing.
Clearly I am. How many times has the single argument of "How can it be better than the newer Galaxy?" appeared?
Off course it would be nice if the ships ingame somehow represented what was in the show/the timeline related logic, but it just wouldn't work in the game.
The newly introduced Jem'Hadar Dreadnaught would blow any other ship to dust if it were so.
TOIVA, Toi Vaxx, Toia Vix, Toveg, T'vritha, To Vrax: Bring in the Allegiance class. Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider. Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
Adjusted for advances in technology, I think the Excelsior and Ambassador were probably intended to be more tactically oriented than the Galaxy, which was more outfitted for exploration. So a modern retrofit of the aforementioned ships outgunning a Galaxy actually makes sense. Pay attention to your TNG episodes, and you'll see that the Galaxy was quite pathetic in combat. So if anything, Cryptic is following canon.
Adjusted for advances in technology, I think the Excelsior and Ambassador were probably intended to be more tactically oriented than the Galaxy, which was more outfitted for exploration. So a modern retrofit of the aforementioned ships outgunning a Galaxy actually makes sense. Pay attention to your TNG episodes, and you'll see that the Galaxy was quite pathetic in combat. So if anything, Cryptic is following canon.
Ye those Galaxy wings in DS9 that were literaly pushing galors away with their heavy beams were really pathetic in combat...not :rolleyes:
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Adjusted for advances in technology, I think the Excelsior and Ambassador were probably intended to be more tactically oriented than the Galaxy, which was more outfitted for exploration. So a modern retrofit of the aforementioned ships outgunning a Galaxy actually makes sense. Pay attention to your TNG episodes, and you'll see that the Galaxy was quite pathetic in combat. So if anything, Cryptic is following canon.
The Kamarag has:
+ 3.5 turn (or 150% the turn rate)
Can Mount Dual Cannons
A fracking Cloak
+5 weapon power and +5 Engine Power
all at the cost of 4,500 hull (oh noes!), -5 Shield Power, -5 Aux Power
I'd give up that much hull and power JUST for the +3.5 turn rate, let alone the ability to mount cannons and CLOAK!
People should never, ever complain about the feds getting anything, when the what the KDF gets is almost always superior (especially when it comes to cruiser stats)
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Please enable us to buy a token with Zen to faction change a 25th Century FED to a TOS FED.
The Kamarag has:
+ 3.5 turn (or 150% the turn rate)
Can Mount Dual Cannons
A fracking Cloak
+5 weapon power and +5 Engine Power
all at the cost of 4,500 hull (oh noes!), -5 Shield Power, -5 Aux Power
I'd give up that much hull and power JUST for the +3.5 turn rate, let alone the ability to mount cannons and CLOAK!
People should never, ever complain about the feds getting anything, when the what the KDF gets is almost always superior (especially when it comes to cruiser stats)
You have to understand. Cryptic follows some weird stat budgets on ships. For example turn rate is severely underestimated. I guess its because in PvE NPCs barely move.
"Cryptic Studio’s Jack Emmert (2010): Microtransactions are the biggest bunch of nonsense. I like paying one fee and not worrying about it – like my cellphone. The world’s biggest MMO isn’t item based, even though the black market item GDP is bigger than Russia … microtransactions make me want to die.”
The Galaxy-R, and like wise the Galaxy-X have a Turn rate of 6, 39K hull, and 1000 crew.
The Excelsior refit has a turn rate of 8, 39K hull, and 750 Crew.
The Ambassador has a Turn rate of 7, 39.5K hull, and 700 crew.
The Assault Cruiser refit has a Turn Rate of 7, 39K hull, and 800 Crew.
The only real difference between the Ambassador and the Excelsior is the flip flopped Tac / Sci BOFF stations. The Galaxy R/X has a Lt Comm Eng Station, and the Assault Cruiser Refit has a universal Lt Station.
One other really odd part about this, is that the Ambassador and the Excelsior are RA level ships, the others are VA rank. If you compare them with the Oddy Command Cruiser a VA level cruiser, it's rather sad.
Outside of that i's really just differences in special consoles they have, but most of them can be swapped around.
this is by far the bulkiest cruiser apart from a odyssey out there T5 wise it also gives sci captains a cruiser in which they can use actual powerful sci powers in on top of that it is on par with everything but the excel in turning cruiserwise so i feel like this ship has potential and i would love to fly that ship around and get to know how it will perform in battle.
the configuration fills the last starfleet cruiser niche, so well done.
The only valid complaint is, that it leaves the Galaxy Class completely in the dust.
I was playing some Captain PvP today and was glad to see some of them for a change.
personally I think at this point the Galaxy-R deserves another complete overhaul.
Not sure if existing Galaxys should be grandfathered, but a fitting design for those cruisers would be a maximum of versatility with a similar boff layout as the Odyssey.
Adjust the hull, shield and turn stats and maybe the console slots to give the odyssey a slight edge, but both of them need customizable flagship configurations.
Yep, though it was constructed 30 years before the galaxy class it is vastly superior to it. It is also on par with the galaxy retrofit, which was outfitted with technology that's 80 years after the Ambassador was constructed. Makes sense to Cryptic, I suppose.
Yeah, you'll see it everywhere for a few days, maybe even a week. Then everyone will move back to their ships that aren't awful.
Ye those Galaxy wings in DS9 that were literaly pushing galors away with their heavy beams were really pathetic in combat...not :rolleyes:
First off, I said TNG episodes. The DS9 battles acted as if no ships were using shields, even still, the Galaxys were shown firing one phaser beam at a time, hardly an arsenal. TNG starred a Galaxy class and showed it in battle in various circumstances, and is therefore a better reference than DS9 battles. Further, this would still not mean that the Galaxy outguns Excelsior or Ambassador if they were retrofitted with equal technology. There were plenty of Excelsiors in DS9 battles as well. (Hell look at the retrofitted Excelsior Class Lakota whooping up on the Defiant in "Paradise Lost") My main point being, the Galaxy wasn't meant as a tactical vessel in any way, it was pure exploration. The era that the Excelsior and Ambassador existed was more dangerous. The Galaxy launched in an era where we were fairly peaceful, even with the Klingons, and hadn't seen the Romulans in 50 years. So it's not a stretch, and bottom line, the ships are free, so no sense in complaining if you're not spending money or even much time to acquire them.
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Yep, though it was constructed 30 years before the galaxy class it is vastly superior to it. It is also on par with the galaxy retrofit, which was outfitted with technology that's 80 years after the Ambassador was constructed. Makes sense to Cryptic, I suppose.
Yeah, you'll see it everywhere for a few days, maybe even a week. Then everyone will move back to their ships that aren't awful.
let me quote Cryptic: Support Cruiser Retrofit ? Ambassador Class . " This classic Ambassador Class Cruiser has been retrofitted with the latest in Federation technology."
(I even bolted the parts if you are that stupid to read)
I am often judgmental of Cryptic, I think they are running this game into the ground for mere profit. But I can give credit where it is due. They don't have to do this, but they did so thanks guys.
I am a little disappointed in the KDF ships stats, but it's a free ship so it isn't a huge deal. Though if they make a C-store version (hopefully not a damn pack) I hope they correct this error. KDF had so few ships and so the ones we get should be pretty solid rather than the load of rubbish we often get. The Fed get a dime a dozen so not a lot of room to complain there, they'll have a nother ship in a couple of months anyway.
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The Kamarag has:
+ 3.5 turn (or 150% the turn rate)
Can Mount Dual Cannons
A fracking Cloak
+5 weapon power and +5 Engine Power
all at the cost of 4,500 hull (oh noes!), -5 Shield Power, -5 Aux Power
I'd give up that much hull and power JUST for the +3.5 turn rate, let alone the ability to mount cannons and CLOAK!
People should never, ever complain about the feds getting anything, when the what the KDF gets is almost always superior (especially when it comes to cruiser stats)
Well at least it shows people that the Klingons are not mindless space-orcs like some think of them. The honorable engineers of Ty'Gokor seem to always manage to create better spacecraft than the Federation.
Jokes aside, it's how it's suposed to be. The Federation is a peacefull organization and Starfleet starships reflect these priorities. Thus they have better defensive capabilities. On the other side, the Klingon Empire is since forever a dreaded warlike space power that reflects their ships having better firepower.
If you like raw firepower, may I suggest joining the KDF?
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And another Fed cruiser that is worthless in the end game
Low DPS
Poor Tactical bridge officer layout
Poor turn rate
Classic STO piece of garbage Cruiser
However it still looks great ! and its free
Most of us would rather it was costly and good
Fail..............I will stay in my fleet excelsior
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
Design-wise, though, I kind of relate with the discontents. A distinguishing way to set it appart could've been to grant it a good cruiser turn rate (9-10ish) to justify Tasha Yar's comment over it being more maneuverable than its Romulan counterparts. Maybe it woudn't have been powerful (like the MVAE, the LtSci really isn't helping it all that much) but at least it'd have been a pleasure to fly around - as is, it's barely more maneuverable than the oh-so-much-more-huge Odyssey.
As is, despite my being a Fed player, the Kamarag is mostly what I look forward to. It might be an excuse for me to actually create (and not delete) a Klingon character.
Being able to pile up tons of contraband and resources with Klingon Doffs is reason enough to make and keep a Klingon, IMO.
Clearly I am. How many times has the single argument of "How can it be better than the newer Galaxy?" appeared?
Off course it would be nice if the ships ingame somehow represented what was in the show/the timeline related logic, but it just wouldn't work in the game.
The newly introduced Jem'Hadar Dreadnaught would blow any other ship to dust if it were so.
Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider.
Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
Don't make ARC mandatory! Keep it optional only!
Ye those Galaxy wings in DS9 that were literaly pushing galors away with their heavy beams were really pathetic in combat...not :rolleyes:
The Galaxy is a recent retrofit as well. So again, how are the Excelsior and Ambassador better spec'd then the Galaxy?
lmao!!
What a load of BS.
The Kamarag has:
+ 3.5 turn (or 150% the turn rate)
Can Mount Dual Cannons
A fracking Cloak
+5 weapon power and +5 Engine Power
all at the cost of 4,500 hull (oh noes!), -5 Shield Power, -5 Aux Power
I'd give up that much hull and power JUST for the +3.5 turn rate, let alone the ability to mount cannons and CLOAK!
People should never, ever complain about the feds getting anything, when the what the KDF gets is almost always superior (especially when it comes to cruiser stats)
Please enable us to buy a token with Zen to faction change a 25th Century FED to a TOS FED.
You have to understand. Cryptic follows some weird stat budgets on ships. For example turn rate is severely underestimated. I guess its because in PvE NPCs barely move.
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That's correct. After February 14 expect the T5 ship to show up in the C-store with a console.
Not against free ships, great for people who love cruisers...
But, this game does have Science and Escort fans.....
The Excelsior refit has a turn rate of 8, 39K hull, and 750 Crew.
The Ambassador has a Turn rate of 7, 39.5K hull, and 700 crew.
The Assault Cruiser refit has a Turn Rate of 7, 39K hull, and 800 Crew.
The only real difference between the Ambassador and the Excelsior is the flip flopped Tac / Sci BOFF stations. The Galaxy R/X has a Lt Comm Eng Station, and the Assault Cruiser Refit has a universal Lt Station.
One other really odd part about this, is that the Ambassador and the Excelsior are RA level ships, the others are VA rank. If you compare them with the Oddy Command Cruiser a VA level cruiser, it's rather sad.
Outside of that i's really just differences in special consoles they have, but most of them can be swapped around.
Because it's a video game. We have Fleet Galaxy-class ships now, compare the Ambassador to that, if you want to split hairs.
I will enjoy it very much thanks. And if you don't like them, then stop reading my positive comments.
And I don't care if no one cares if I dislike soup.
the configuration fills the last starfleet cruiser niche, so well done.
The only valid complaint is, that it leaves the Galaxy Class completely in the dust.
I was playing some Captain PvP today and was glad to see some of them for a change.
personally I think at this point the Galaxy-R deserves another complete overhaul.
Not sure if existing Galaxys should be grandfathered, but a fitting design for those cruisers would be a maximum of versatility with a similar boff layout as the Odyssey.
Adjust the hull, shield and turn stats and maybe the console slots to give the odyssey a slight edge, but both of them need customizable flagship configurations.
The Galaxy deserves that much.
First off, I said TNG episodes. The DS9 battles acted as if no ships were using shields, even still, the Galaxys were shown firing one phaser beam at a time, hardly an arsenal. TNG starred a Galaxy class and showed it in battle in various circumstances, and is therefore a better reference than DS9 battles. Further, this would still not mean that the Galaxy outguns Excelsior or Ambassador if they were retrofitted with equal technology. There were plenty of Excelsiors in DS9 battles as well. (Hell look at the retrofitted Excelsior Class Lakota whooping up on the Defiant in "Paradise Lost") My main point being, the Galaxy wasn't meant as a tactical vessel in any way, it was pure exploration. The era that the Excelsior and Ambassador existed was more dangerous. The Galaxy launched in an era where we were fairly peaceful, even with the Klingons, and hadn't seen the Romulans in 50 years. So it's not a stretch, and bottom line, the ships are free, so no sense in complaining if you're not spending money or even much time to acquire them.
let me quote Cryptic: Support Cruiser Retrofit ? Ambassador Class . " This classic Ambassador Class Cruiser has been retrofitted with the latest in Federation technology."
(I even bolted the parts if you are that stupid to read)
I am a little disappointed in the KDF ships stats, but it's a free ship so it isn't a huge deal. Though if they make a C-store version (hopefully not a damn pack) I hope they correct this error. KDF had so few ships and so the ones we get should be pretty solid rather than the load of rubbish we often get. The Fed get a dime a dozen so not a lot of room to complain there, they'll have a nother ship in a couple of months anyway.
What were people expecting?
Well at least it shows people that the Klingons are not mindless space-orcs like some think of them.
Jokes aside, it's how it's suposed to be. The Federation is a peacefull organization and Starfleet starships reflect these priorities. Thus they have better defensive capabilities. On the other side, the Klingon Empire is since forever a dreaded warlike space power that reflects their ships having better firepower.
If you like raw firepower, may I suggest joining the KDF?
A ship with 5 Tac consoles and LT commander tac, and a console that sends enemy ships back to the end of time to die in one shot.lol
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Oh cool. That ship is worth a try then!
God, lvl 60 CW. 17k.