well you think they should have expected an influx of players and probably would have put more hardware in, I guess they underestimated.
Again, and speaking as someone who works in IT. You are wrong, and clearly have idea what you're talking about.
It would of cost them a huge amount of money to double the capacity of the server, and that would only really be useful for perhaps the next 4 to 6 hours. After that you're unlikely to see much in the way of queues.
OK there we have it, because of poor performance you reduce the capacity, looks like a major network reconfiguration has been implemented on the fly - server performance has been patchy over the last few months, looks like some decent load balancing is needed with reserve capacity available. i.e. spend some money on improving the player experience!
I think it has reached the point where I can safely say:
A veteran sawmill operator still has way too many fingers left to count how many fu<ks I still give about this game.
This doesn't mean I'll ragequit now baawbqq, no. My care was slowly worn away so I wouldn't even care to quit in a huff.
It means that I'll finish my business as far as I can be bothered, do the minimum of what appeals to me about the game yet - and apart from that: stay the hell away, especially with the wallet - and find another activity to fill the timeslot.
Maybe someday Cryptic gets its ***** together.
As a person who started with F2P, quit this game mid-year and then came back before Christmas I guess I simply returned too early.
#EDIT: I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT WAS MERGED HOW BY WHOM, BUT THIS BREAK OF THE POSTS CONTEXT IS NOT MY FAULT. IT'S THE MODERATORS.
You don't get to login before Gold who logs in before free players... You share the same priority level as Gold. If you expected different it's because you did not research your purchase well.
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Has anyone heard of SecondLife?, it's a 3D virtual world, that is a very close similarity to STO, and yet there is NO login queue and their servers currently (at the time of writing this post) have 58,336 user online simultaneously, and I have seen even higher numbers up into to 5 figures depending on the time of day and if it's a weekend, and yep, NO login queue.
So, Cryptic, if Linden Lab can do it for SecondLife, then you can for STO.
To be honest, and not trying to be insulting here, but you don't quite understand the economics either. I've a LTS to STO, yet I know of free players who have spent way, way more in the C-Store than I ever have on my LTS.
Indeed, but those sums have trickled into Cryptics coffers in a fairly random way.
Life time subs and monthly subs are a more stable revenue stream, allowing Cryptic to make decisions that require cash in a more sensible way.
Personally I've dropped about as much money on the game as I would have done for an Lts.
However, instead of the perks I would get for that, i got other things. Zen, which turned into things like cool ships, keys, respecs, etc.
My point is, that priority login has always been in the shop window, alongside many other things we could buy. Us FTp players who have spent money have just chosen to buy other things. We cant complain when we dont get the benefit of something we were offered but declined to buy, surely?
wow, now I know it's time to move on, and play something else other than STO.
First, I get "Disconnected from game server: Timeout" loads of times, then I get "Can not get map names from map manager" (too many times to count) and have to replay missions because of it, and now, they put in a login queue, and removed foundry missions,, what's next?
Ive been here since a few days after launch i think...and after a few months i got lifetime sub.today i tried to login and for the first time in these 3 years i got a message saying something about login que.Obviously that totally enraged me.I just dont get it.Ive spent god knows how many money on this game over these 3 years...(also a big spender on the c-store,not just a lifetimer,yeah ive spent a lot)...and here i am wondering why cant i play?The way i see it i should have priority in logining in and that is not unfair for any other f2ps cause im a lifetime sub.Isnt that right?...i was at 3120 position for login.Were those 3120s subscribers?...
then again i understand that ,hey its the first hours after the beginning of the anniversary.then again im a lifetimer!yes i'll say it as many times as i can cause i spent money on this game when it was most needed.Why cant i celebrate with my fleet?How did the servers fill?what priority do lifetimers have in logining in?...
yeah im b****ing like a little baby but come on,it drives me crazy to think that f2p newbies are in there partying and im here doing nothing considaring my 3 years subscription.
so yeah...thanks for reading this and hopefully issues like these will be resolved positively(yeah f2p guys are people too,but i would expect something better than having to wait for 3000 people in order to login)
Simply put it's like an exclusive club with 2 queues, one for VIPs and one for members of the public.
When the club isn't full they let in people from both queues.
When it is, the VIPs get to go in first as people come out.
It doesn't mean that security goes in and boots people out so the VIPs can get in. If you got in before it was full, you get to stay, if not, you get to wait.
OK there we have it, because of poor performance you reduce the capacity, looks like a major network reconfiguration has been implemented on the fly - server performance has been patchy over the last few months, looks like some decent load balancing is needed with reserve capacity available. i.e. spend some money on improving the player experience!
Where are people getting this theory that Cryptic reduced the server capacity from exactly?
Where are people getting this theory that Cryptic reduced the server capacity from exactly?
It's from the same Reliable Sources that convinced a bunch of people that the Romulans will be playable in Season 8 after a solid year of developer talk saying repeatedly there is zero chance of Romulans as a playable faction before Season 9. The secret Reliable Sources that can see the real truth of the universe hidden within this elaborate web of lies designed specifically to confuse YOU.
Or something.
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QQ QQ QQ You people must have never gone through a major content update on WoW in the old days. Place would be busted for a week or more off and on. Legions of fanboys scrambling for a ship they will be able to get for awhile are hosing the server. Just chill the hell out. Go watch some hentai or something...perhaps get some sun... leave the basement for a minute.. It'll be ok nerdrage fanboys I promise.
Indeed, but those sums have trickled into Cryptics coffers in a fairly random way.
Life time subs and monthly subs are a more stable revenue stream, allowing Cryptic to make decisions that require cash in a more sensible way.
Personally I've dropped about as much money on the game as I would have done for an Lts.
However, instead of the perks I would get for that, i got other things. Zen, which turned into things like cool ships, keys, respecs, etc.
My point is, that priority login has always been in the shop window, alongside many other things we could buy. Us FTp players who have spent money have just chosen to buy other things. We cant complain when we dont get the benefit of something we were offered but declined to buy, surely?
So what are you complaining about. You should be happy to be F2P and dont criticize those who "really pay the bills". You are here because of the rest of sub/LTS paid for it originally...please respect others if you want to be respected as well...look at others F2P models that went bust (SWOTR)...we only ask what is fair and getting priority queue is not a right but something that is owed to us since the inception of this game
All i have to say on Login que.... Why as a lifer am i in one?.
See my previous post in this thread.
Also if people will notice they've taken the Foundry completely offline, chances are they're running the Foundry server as another game server to increase the games capacity.
You know, instead of this craziness about them lowering the capacity and then increasing it again.
Really, though, the way the game is set up and instanced and all makes it seem like there are not too many people in the game.
This is especially true because NPCs are running around in ground areas, so when you see a group of players it is easy to assume they are NPCs, and it is true because in space areas you mainly see the name and the ships look very small from a distance.
I wonder how many people actually do play this game. A 3k queue is a fairly impressive amount of people.
Really, though, the way the game is set up and instanced and all makes it seem like there are not too many people in the game.
This is especially true because NPCs are running around in ground areas, so when you see a group of players it is easy to assume they are NPCs, and it is true because in space areas you mainly see the name and the ships look very small from a distance.
I wonder how many people actually do play this game. A 3k queue is a fairly impressive amount of people.
It was apparently up to 12K before they increased the capacity
well you missed the 12k que earlier...and I love the QQ...its not the end of the world...its a good time to put a pizza in the oven...take a shower...play with the g/f...something...but the ques times are much better than earlier.
So what are you complaining about. You should be happy to be F2P and dont criticize those who "really pay the bills". You are here because of the rest of sub/LTS paid for it originally...please respect others if you want to be respected as well...look at others F2P models that went bust (SWOTR)...we only ask what is fair and getting priority queue is not a right but something that is owed to us since the inception of this game
This game is NOT Free-to-Play. It's Pay-to-Play with an option to play Free. NO game is truly F2P as long as it maintains a Sub model.
Take your own advice, and don't TRIBBLE on those who choose the F2P route. Those of us who did still contribute a fair amount of cash to this game, some in excess of the $300 those of you who cry havoc about being in a queue because 'I paid for this game'. You already got more than your money's worth as paying the $15 for 3 years = $540. I've paid at least that much in ships, keys, and other virtual TRIBBLE. Nobody put a gun to your head to make you spend that Lifer sub fee, so please, with all due respect please calm that noise. I pre-ordered, I subbed when it came out, then I quit for a while - my choice. Your money isn't worth more than the next person's, and the finger pointing for the queue in the first place should be pointed at Cryptic - not your fellow players who are stuck in it with you.
So what are you complaining about. You should be happy to be F2P and dont criticize those who "really pay the bills". You are here because of the rest of sub/LTS paid for it originally...please respect others if you want to be respected as well...look at others F2P models that went bust (SWOTR)...we only ask what is fair and getting priority queue is not a right but something that is owed to us since the inception of this game
Oh dear Crusader.
I think that when you see the phrase 'ftp' something snaps and you inexplicably stop reading.
The point i was consistently making was that FTP players should NOT complain about LTS players getting priority. That, even those of us who have dropped as much money as a subscription on the game, still dont get that priority because we bought something else. We supported the game by buying something other than a subscription. We bought zen.
I am personally baffled by those ftp based players who seem to think they should get something we didnt pay for, that is an actual service offered as capable of being paid for.
The TOS constitution ship interior is part of a bundle. If I buy the DS9 bundle i dont get to complain if my TOS Connie Tier 1 ship doesnt have the interior.
I've played most MMOs that have been released since Everquest in 98 and I cannot remember ever sitting in a queue to log in.
Then you never EVER played "World of War Craft" - did you?
(Oh, and EQ released in April of 1999 BTW - I remember because I was there.)
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Again, and speaking as someone who works in IT. You are wrong, and clearly have idea what you're talking about.
It would of cost them a huge amount of money to double the capacity of the server, and that would only really be useful for perhaps the next 4 to 6 hours. After that you're unlikely to see much in the way of queues.
Re-quoting myself ----^
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Still think it's weird that I got queued just for switching characters. Kinda a screwy queue system, it seems to me...
A veteran sawmill operator still has way too many fingers left to count how many fu<ks I still give about this game.
This doesn't mean I'll ragequit now baawbqq, no. My care was slowly worn away so I wouldn't even care to quit in a huff.
It means that I'll finish my business as far as I can be bothered, do the minimum of what appeals to me about the game yet - and apart from that: stay the hell away, especially with the wallet - and find another activity to fill the timeslot.
Maybe someday Cryptic gets its ***** together.
As a person who started with F2P, quit this game mid-year and then came back before Christmas I guess I simply returned too early.
#EDIT: I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT WAS MERGED HOW BY WHOM, BUT THIS BREAK OF THE POSTS CONTEXT IS NOT MY FAULT. IT'S THE MODERATORS.
He's dead, Jim.
The free to play matrix clearly states that you get all of the SAME features and priorities as regular gold subscribers: http://sto.perfectworld.com/about/freetoplay/features-matrix
You don't get to login before Gold who logs in before free players... You share the same priority level as Gold. If you expected different it's because you did not research your purchase well.
So, Cryptic, if Linden Lab can do it for SecondLife, then you can for STO.
Indeed, but those sums have trickled into Cryptics coffers in a fairly random way.
Life time subs and monthly subs are a more stable revenue stream, allowing Cryptic to make decisions that require cash in a more sensible way.
Personally I've dropped about as much money on the game as I would have done for an Lts.
However, instead of the perks I would get for that, i got other things. Zen, which turned into things like cool ships, keys, respecs, etc.
My point is, that priority login has always been in the shop window, alongside many other things we could buy. Us FTp players who have spent money have just chosen to buy other things. We cant complain when we dont get the benefit of something we were offered but declined to buy, surely?
I believe the 'change toon' is just a workaround to stop logging out but you do actually log out (I guess). Agreed though.
Instead of zerg-rushing the server why not wait until TOMORROW?
Why do morons line up overnight to be the FIRST to see some new movie when it will be the same movie on Saturday that it was on Friday?
People aren't very bright.
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Member of Alliance Central Command/boq botlhra'ghom
Well - guess I'm saying that in other games I've seen, login queues are per account, not per character within the account...
First, I get "Disconnected from game server: Timeout" loads of times, then I get "Can not get map names from map manager" (too many times to count) and have to replay missions because of it, and now, they put in a login queue, and removed foundry missions,, what's next?
Simply put it's like an exclusive club with 2 queues, one for VIPs and one for members of the public.
When the club isn't full they let in people from both queues.
When it is, the VIPs get to go in first as people come out.
It doesn't mean that security goes in and boots people out so the VIPs can get in. If you got in before it was full, you get to stay, if not, you get to wait.
Where are people getting this theory that Cryptic reduced the server capacity from exactly?
It's from the same Reliable Sources that convinced a bunch of people that the Romulans will be playable in Season 8 after a solid year of developer talk saying repeatedly there is zero chance of Romulans as a playable faction before Season 9. The secret Reliable Sources that can see the real truth of the universe hidden within this elaborate web of lies designed specifically to confuse YOU.
Or something.
"We are smart." - Grebnedlog
Member of Alliance Central Command/boq botlhra'ghom
So what are you complaining about. You should be happy to be F2P and dont criticize those who "really pay the bills". You are here because of the rest of sub/LTS paid for it originally...please respect others if you want to be respected as well...look at others F2P models that went bust (SWOTR)...we only ask what is fair and getting priority queue is not a right but something that is owed to us since the inception of this game
See my previous post in this thread.
Also if people will notice they've taken the Foundry completely offline, chances are they're running the Foundry server as another game server to increase the games capacity.
You know, instead of this craziness about them lowering the capacity and then increasing it again.
Really, though, the way the game is set up and instanced and all makes it seem like there are not too many people in the game.
This is especially true because NPCs are running around in ground areas, so when you see a group of players it is easy to assume they are NPCs, and it is true because in space areas you mainly see the name and the ships look very small from a distance.
I wonder how many people actually do play this game. A 3k queue is a fairly impressive amount of people.
It was apparently up to 12K before they increased the capacity
This game is NOT Free-to-Play. It's Pay-to-Play with an option to play Free. NO game is truly F2P as long as it maintains a Sub model.
Take your own advice, and don't TRIBBLE on those who choose the F2P route. Those of us who did still contribute a fair amount of cash to this game, some in excess of the $300 those of you who cry havoc about being in a queue because 'I paid for this game'. You already got more than your money's worth as paying the $15 for 3 years = $540. I've paid at least that much in ships, keys, and other virtual TRIBBLE. Nobody put a gun to your head to make you spend that Lifer sub fee, so please, with all due respect please calm that noise. I pre-ordered, I subbed when it came out, then I quit for a while - my choice. Your money isn't worth more than the next person's, and the finger pointing for the queue in the first place should be pointed at Cryptic - not your fellow players who are stuck in it with you.
Quite possibly the most ridiculous statement I've ever seen on the forums for this game.
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Oh dear Crusader.
I think that when you see the phrase 'ftp' something snaps and you inexplicably stop reading.
The point i was consistently making was that FTP players should NOT complain about LTS players getting priority. That, even those of us who have dropped as much money as a subscription on the game, still dont get that priority because we bought something else. We supported the game by buying something other than a subscription. We bought zen.
I am personally baffled by those ftp based players who seem to think they should get something we didnt pay for, that is an actual service offered as capable of being paid for.
The TOS constitution ship interior is part of a bundle. If I buy the DS9 bundle i dont get to complain if my TOS Connie Tier 1 ship doesnt have the interior.
Then you never EVER played "World of War Craft" - did you?
(Oh, and EQ released in April of 1999 BTW - I remember because I was there.)
PWE ARC Drone says: "Your STO forum community as you have known it is ended...Display names are irrelevant...Any further sense of community is irrelevant...Resistance is futile...You will be assimilated..."