Plenty of BOff space for Warp Plasma and a Tractor Beam to make up for it.
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And Siphon Drones/Danubes as well.
Though I wonder if the Elite versions of the fighters will pick up DEM 3 as the normal ones come with DEM 1?
Do we know if it can actually use KDF or Fed pets?
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Unlike the Gal-X, it has the Tac Stations for some powerful combinations. And damn does it look tough.
I'm not sold on it.
The Ody/Bortas can both run almost as many Tac BOFF stations but it just doesn't make all that much sense to do so on a ship with a base turn rate of 6 imo.
Here we go again....You know Cryptic I was 1 of the ppl that got excited when you all announced STO was going F2P... I was like hell yes finally more players which means faster ques and more stuff for me to kill... But here we are a year later and ques are still slow as hell and your once fun game to play has turned into whoever has enough money to keep up with all your C-store stuff and your lottery boxes are the ones that are benefitting expecially in PVP... Example ... A guy in my fleet spent 200 dollars in 1 day trying to get a bug ship which he finally got... But there is no ship in this game worth that kind of money to ppl like me that dont have money like that to throw around ... So in hindsite I wish the hell you would go back to making ppl pay the 15 monthly or buy a lifetime subsciption and make the ships in game stuff that we can all get our hands on them rather than catering to the people who obviously have tons of money to spend ... But I know you wont because your company is just like all other companies ... You dont care about fair play just how much money you can rake in .... Thats the problem with the whole world these days its nothing but a greedfest... anyways I am done ranting now
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]Target locked Captain....Alpha loaded....5,4,3,2,1.... Target dead captain, locking on next target
Okay, maybe so, but every other Escort will outturn it. Heck, the Chimera and Peg'hu destroyers can outturn it
Yeah but it will be super flexible.
TT, HYT2 or BO2, CRF2, APO3 EPTS1, Aux2Batt, RSP or EWP or DEM
EPTA1, Aux2Batt HE 2 more abilities from any field which will be available at their global cd.
A low 12 turnrate base, but perma 125 engine power, APO at global, and the AP console. I'm really curious about inertia.
_______________ CommanderDonatra@Capt.Sisko: ahhh is it supposed to do that? Norvo Tigan@dontdrunkimshoot: hell ya, maybe
+10.5k hull
-.05 shield modifier
+500 crew
-1 turn rate
+.02 impulse modifier
? inertia
+1 tac console
+2 eng console
-2 sci console
+5 aux power
+subsystem targeting
-PSG console
+DCI console (can also use the DCP console, including a 2pc bonus)
Kar'Fi: LCdr LtLtCmdr En
Dread Bug: Cmdr LtLCdrEnLt
I have to wonder what Kar'Fi captains think about that one...
With a turn rate only 1 point higher then the Vor'quv, I have to kind of laugh at it's 4 Fore Weapon slots. Though it does have enough Engineering to keep it alive. More then likely an EPtS 1, Aux to Sif 1, RSP 2 Or Engi Team 1, EptS 2, RSP 2. Or Engi Team 1, RSP 1, EptS 3. Maybe a Support set up of Engi team 1, EptS 2, Extends 1
Universal Lt is more then likely going to be Lt Sci.. for HE and TSS. And then the Ensign Sci will be either PH or Tractor beam 1.
And the obvious choice in the Commander Slot is Attack pattern omega 3. If your using Single Cannons, Rapid Fire 2. If your using Beams, Beam Overload, or Faw 3. If torps, Torp Spread or HY 3..
It's an.. Interesting Carrier. But I don't know how much more I feel about it till I get the chance to fly it.. if Ever..
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Not to worried about the new Jem ships, they will make nice targets. Just worried about the SS doff.
I won't be getting anything from this besides the mirror Voquv for my eng due to the better boff/console layout for a tank. Now if only they would let us get Fleet versions of mirror ships.
Not to worried about the new Jem ships, they will make nice targets. Just worried about the SS doff.
I won't be getting anything from this besides the mirror Voquv for my eng due to the better boff/console layout for a tank. Now if only they would let us get Fleet versions of mirror ships.
either fleet versions of mirror ships or unlock the skin for use on the fleet ships.
id totally buy a fleet dssv if i could use the fleet recon on it.
IMO with the current BOFF layout Drednought Carrier's surviavability is too low, perhaps you should consider layout such as:
Com Tac,
LTC Eng,
LTC Sci,
LT Uni.
Reason is that LT Tac is a bit of overkill, but two extra science abilities sould come in handy.
With a turn rate only 1 point higher then the Vor'quv, I have to kind of laugh at it's 4 Fore Weapon slots. Though it does have enough Engineering to keep it alive. More then likely an EPtS 1, Aux to Sif 1, RSP 2 Or Engi Team 1, EptS 2, RSP 2. Or Engi Team 1, RSP 1, EptS 3. Maybe a Support set up of Engi team 1, EptS 2, Extends 1
Universal Lt is more then likely going to be Lt Sci.. for HE and TSS. And then the Ensign Sci will be either PH or Tractor beam 1.
And the obvious choice in the Commander Slot is Attack pattern omega 3. If your using Single Cannons, Rapid Fire 2. If your using Beams, Beam Overload, or Faw 3. If torps, Torp Spread or HY 3..
It's an.. Interesting Carrier. But I don't know how much more I feel about it till I get the chance to fly it.. if Ever..
Hrmmm, this was along the lines of the build that came to mind for me.
Depends on what the stats/set stats are on the Jem'Hadar set.
But it's looking at the Omega Weapon Amplifer proc, the Reactive Deflection, both Dom consoles and the bonus for having both, nifty crit, phaser procs, polaron procs, etc, etc, etc...
It (Jem Escort Carrier) turns as fast as a Vesta, and has 2 turn rate on the Vor'cha. It's probably fast enough turning for DHC's.
DDIMS, isn't it funny that this thing is almost stat-for-stat what we were chatting about what the Regent should have looked like as a Tac-heavy Fed cruiser?
if only the fed cruiser movement stats gravitated a bit more this direction. they really seem more and more ponderous compared to all the ships of similer size turning SO much better
TT, HYT2 or BO2, CRF2, APO3 EPTS1, Aux2Batt, RSP or EWP or DEM
EPTA1, Aux2Batt HE 2 more abilities from any field which will be available at their global cd.
A low 12 turnrate base, but perma 125 engine power, APO at global, and the AP console. I'm really curious about inertia.
this ship is basically a fatter, slower vet ship with a hanger as far as im concerned. 2 AtB would of course be the best chance this ship has of being competitive with its turn rate. this, with a LT sci, is exactly the station setup to use on such a thing. with its control potential it will be like flying a cross between a vorcha and a vet ship. do like, but i'll never be getting one im sure
i cant remember a time when i was this revealed when reading about new ship stats. pvp wont be harmed at all by this lockbox. well, maybe ground with some of the new doffs, but i think space will be ok.
we are definitely seeing a shift, they are releasing pve toys more then focused 11/10 ships like the bug and recluse now. first the vesta, wile also being the 'best' sci ship, would make any pve MUCH easier to shoot through vs other sci ships. then the breen ship, a cruiser with escort stations, its extra sturdy and turns well enough to handle any pve, but its to slow to be used exactly like an escort with any sucsess. these are jack of all trades have flaws that will keep them from reinventing pvp balance around them. so very revealed by what i see. great job devs!
the carrier i sorta feel sorry for, nothing with that turn rate needs a COM and LT tac. thats going to be the easiest thing to blow up in the game.
the mirror kdf carrier, wow that station setup is NICE. LTC and LT eng with LTC tac. just COM sci it enough for such a thing, more then that on something so slow is not needed. hell, you could 2 AtB that thing now too! APO at global lol. launching things might be impaired with the lower aux though
IMO with the current BOFF layout Drednought Carrier's surviavability is too low, perhaps you should consider layout such as:
Com Tac,
LTC Eng,
LTC Sci,
LT Uni.
Reason is that LT Tac is a bit of overkill, but two extra science abilities sould come in handy.
Yes this is exactly why people shouldnt be worried about the new lobi ship, it has an absolutley horrible boff layout for a ship that turns so slow. It is just a nice big dumb slow easy target that doesn't have the engineering and/or sci it takes to give a ship like that enough heals to survive.
either fleet versions of mirror ships or unlock the skin for use on the fleet ships.
id totally buy a fleet dssv if i could use the fleet recon on it.
I mainly just want a ship with the Fleet voquv stats and mirror boff layout, that would be a nice alternative to a recluse for a carrier tank. They should just let you turn in a packed mirror ship with 4 modules as long as you have appropriate shipyard tier unlocked and it gets the bonus to hull and shields and 10th console slot like fleet ships.
The carrier would be bad in PvP b/c of movement, but not in PvE. Leave it the way it is, we don't need anymore ships dropping spam in PvP.
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"Sumlobus@****: your mums eat Iced Targ Poo"
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i also like the fighters. they arent a new fighter with some control ability, they are fighters that just deal damage, and with DEM they do it in a bit of a unique way
Great job for what, for ships you can't use in pvp? Really? I like the fact that the ships i buy can perform well in both pve and pvp. I really feel that the dreadnought will only be easy kills in pvp and will be a burden in pve teams. It's just the worst ship in game and you guys are happy because it's not even useable in pvp... Not that great, and expect something really OP next to compensate the disappointment this box will create.
blznfun @ Jan 22nd, 2013 9:26PM -
Let the OPvP community whine some more. I see a nerf coming by the threat of the PvP community
Whatever the intent of quoting my comment in your signiture, lol, I'll take the publicity. Its helping further my cause. Kudos to you my friend. You're ok in my books regardless of your intent...
Great job for what, for ships you can't use in pvp? Really? I like the fact that the ships i buy can perform well in both pve and pvp. I really feel that the dreadnought will only be easy kills in pvp and will be a burden in pve teams. It's just the worst ship in game and you guys are happy because it's not even useable in pvp... Not that great, and expect something really OP next to compensate the disappointment this box will create.
No, he likely means great job in releasing ships that won't change PVP balance.
Great job for what, for ships you can't use in pvp? Really? I like the fact that the ships i buy can perform well in both pve and pvp. I really feel that the dreadnought will only be easy kills in pvp and will be a burden in pve teams. It's just the worst ship in game and you guys are happy because it's not even useable in pvp... Not that great, and expect something really OP next to compensate the disappointment this box will create.
its great because they arent as good or better then the bug ship. releasing pve toys is better then releasing game breaking op ships. the heavy escort is completely viable if you fly it like a KDF cruiser, i could do terrible things in that ship. i agree on the carrier, its simply over the top bad. i commented on that here in the official thread though
Yes I have to say I am really pleased with the devs for giving both the lobi and lockbox ships bad boff layouts for pvp. I wouldn't have been interested in getting these ships regardless and its nice to see that the usual people will still drop loads of money on these boxes to help fund the game while not ruining pvp.
A few minor tweaks to the boff layout of the heavy escort and it would have been almost op in pvp, as it is now it would only be viable with aux2bat builds for pvp. If they made the lt uni as sci and the ensign sci as uni it would have been a great ship without having to use aux2bat build, but still probably not enough turn to use for pvp for most people.
I think the main problem we might have is not the ships themselves; but people getting the ships and putting their consoles on the bugships, depending on how powerful the consoles are.
Edit:Also, with the Jem set being upgraded, and with proper phased polaron coming out, we might see an increase in Victory is Life (if it works)
"Fixed a bug on a lot of fleet ships. You'll see the shield hp go up for a lot of fleet ships. Not sure when this will go live."
I wonder, if that means those odd shield modifiers.
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Okay, you got me there. It is a nice ship though and I'm glad they didn't go overboard on it's stats.
Do we know if it can actually use KDF or Fed pets?
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It doesn't sound like it'll share a global cooldown with BOff powers.
Indeed, I was imagining it'd be a Heavy Escort Carrier with a turn rate of 17 and two hangars w/ a built-in Sub-Nucleonic Beam console, TBH.
Using the Tholian Carrier as a precedent, it'd be a bit strange for them not to be able to use whatever faction's pets it gets opened up on.
That does sound vicious.
As for the Dreadnought, if it can equip cannons, it will likely have the same issues as the Gal-X: not enough turn to use them.
Unlike the Gal-X, it has the Tac Stations for some powerful combinations. And damn does it look tough.
+3k hull
+300 crew
+1 device slot
+1 hangar bay
-8 turn rate
-.02 impulse modifier
? inertia
-1 tac console
+1 sci console
-5 weapon power
+5 shield power
+5 aux power
Bug: Cmdr LCdr En Lt Lt
Heavy Bug: Cmdr LCdr Lt En Lt
I'm kind of surprised by the turn rate. I was expecting at least 15.
+10.5k hull
-.05 shield modifier
+500 crew
-1 turn rate
+.02 impulse modifier
? inertia
+1 tac console
+2 eng console
-2 sci console
+5 aux power
+subsystem targeting
-PSG console
+DCI console (can also use the DCP console, including a 2pc bonus)
Kar'Fi: LCdr Lt Lt Cmdr En
Dread Bug: Cmdr Lt LCdr En Lt
I have to wonder what Kar'Fi captains think about that one...
I'm not sold on it.
The Ody/Bortas can both run almost as many Tac BOFF stations but it just doesn't make all that much sense to do so on a ship with a base turn rate of 6 imo.
Yeah but it will be super flexible.
TT, HYT2 or BO2, CRF2, APO3
EPTS1, Aux2Batt, RSP or EWP or DEM
EPTA1, Aux2Batt
HE
2 more abilities from any field which will be available at their global cd.
A low 12 turnrate base, but perma 125 engine power, APO at global, and the AP console. I'm really curious about inertia.
CommanderDonatra@Capt.Sisko: ahhh is it supposed to do that?
Norvo Tigan@dontdrunkimshoot: hell ya, maybe
Wish they included that with all ships, definitely.
With a turn rate only 1 point higher then the Vor'quv, I have to kind of laugh at it's 4 Fore Weapon slots. Though it does have enough Engineering to keep it alive. More then likely an EPtS 1, Aux to Sif 1, RSP 2 Or Engi Team 1, EptS 2, RSP 2. Or Engi Team 1, RSP 1, EptS 3. Maybe a Support set up of Engi team 1, EptS 2, Extends 1
Universal Lt is more then likely going to be Lt Sci.. for HE and TSS. And then the Ensign Sci will be either PH or Tractor beam 1.
And the obvious choice in the Commander Slot is Attack pattern omega 3. If your using Single Cannons, Rapid Fire 2. If your using Beams, Beam Overload, or Faw 3. If torps, Torp Spread or HY 3..
It's an.. Interesting Carrier. But I don't know how much more I feel about it till I get the chance to fly it.. if Ever..
Think about this:
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I won't be getting anything from this besides the mirror Voquv for my eng due to the better boff/console layout for a tank. Now if only they would let us get Fleet versions of mirror ships.
either fleet versions of mirror ships or unlock the skin for use on the fleet ships.
id totally buy a fleet dssv if i could use the fleet recon on it.
Do you even Science Bro?
Com Tac,
LTC Eng,
LTC Sci,
LT Uni.
Reason is that LT Tac is a bit of overkill, but two extra science abilities sould come in handy.
Hrmmm, this was along the lines of the build that came to mind for me.
Tac Captain
Passives
Romulan: +3% Crit, PlacOnCritProc
Omega: +30 Weapon, KineticProc
(Rom) TT1, THY2, APO1, APO3
(Rom) TT1, FAW2
(Hum) ET1, EPtS2, RSP2
TSS1, HE2
PH1
DOFFs: SDO(BFI), Conn(TT), ME(ET), 2x FDO(CD)
Deflector/Engine/Shield: Jem'Hadar Mk XII or AKHG(MACO)
Weapons
Fore: 3x Phaser Polaron Beam Arrays, Omega Torpedo
Aft: 2x Phaser Polaron Beam Arrays, Cutting Beam
Consoles
Tac: 3x Phase Modulators, Leech
Eng: Borg, Tachyo, DCP, Neut
Sci: DCI, Rom Flow [Pla]
Hangar #1: Scorpions
Hangar #2: Slavers
Depends on what the stats/set stats are on the Jem'Hadar set.
But it's looking at the Omega Weapon Amplifer proc, the Reactive Deflection, both Dom consoles and the bonus for having both, nifty crit, phaser procs, polaron procs, etc, etc, etc...
if only the fed cruiser movement stats gravitated a bit more this direction. they really seem more and more ponderous compared to all the ships of similer size turning SO much better
the inertia score would be EXTREMELY important information on the escort with the tweener turn rate it has. im going to guess 35-50
this ship is basically a fatter, slower vet ship with a hanger as far as im concerned. 2 AtB would of course be the best chance this ship has of being competitive with its turn rate. this, with a LT sci, is exactly the station setup to use on such a thing. with its control potential it will be like flying a cross between a vorcha and a vet ship. do like, but i'll never be getting one im sure
i cant remember a time when i was this revealed when reading about new ship stats. pvp wont be harmed at all by this lockbox. well, maybe ground with some of the new doffs, but i think space will be ok.
we are definitely seeing a shift, they are releasing pve toys more then focused 11/10 ships like the bug and recluse now. first the vesta, wile also being the 'best' sci ship, would make any pve MUCH easier to shoot through vs other sci ships. then the breen ship, a cruiser with escort stations, its extra sturdy and turns well enough to handle any pve, but its to slow to be used exactly like an escort with any sucsess. these are jack of all trades have flaws that will keep them from reinventing pvp balance around them. so very revealed by what i see. great job devs!
the carrier i sorta feel sorry for, nothing with that turn rate needs a COM and LT tac. thats going to be the easiest thing to blow up in the game.
the mirror kdf carrier, wow that station setup is NICE. LTC and LT eng with LTC tac. just COM sci it enough for such a thing, more then that on something so slow is not needed. hell, you could 2 AtB that thing now too! APO at global lol. launching things might be impaired with the lower aux though
Yes this is exactly why people shouldnt be worried about the new lobi ship, it has an absolutley horrible boff layout for a ship that turns so slow. It is just a nice big dumb slow easy target that doesn't have the engineering and/or sci it takes to give a ship like that enough heals to survive.
I mainly just want a ship with the Fleet voquv stats and mirror boff layout, that would be a nice alternative to a recluse for a carrier tank. They should just let you turn in a packed mirror ship with 4 modules as long as you have appropriate shipyard tier unlocked and it gets the bonus to hull and shields and 10th console slot like fleet ships.
Random Quote from Kerrat
"Sumlobus@****: your mums eat Iced Targ Poo"
C&H Fed banter
Great job for what, for ships you can't use in pvp? Really? I like the fact that the ships i buy can perform well in both pve and pvp. I really feel that the dreadnought will only be easy kills in pvp and will be a burden in pve teams. It's just the worst ship in game and you guys are happy because it's not even useable in pvp... Not that great, and expect something really OP next to compensate the disappointment this box will create.
God, lvl 60 CW. 17k.
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No, he likely means great job in releasing ships that won't change PVP balance.
its great because they arent as good or better then the bug ship. releasing pve toys is better then releasing game breaking op ships. the heavy escort is completely viable if you fly it like a KDF cruiser, i could do terrible things in that ship. i agree on the carrier, its simply over the top bad. i commented on that here in the official thread though
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?p=7610371#post7610371
A few minor tweaks to the boff layout of the heavy escort and it would have been almost op in pvp, as it is now it would only be viable with aux2bat builds for pvp. If they made the lt uni as sci and the ensign sci as uni it would have been a great ship without having to use aux2bat build, but still probably not enough turn to use for pvp for most people.
Edit:Also, with the Jem set being upgraded, and with proper phased polaron coming out, we might see an increase in Victory is Life (if it works)
"Fixed a bug on a lot of fleet ships. You'll see the shield hp go up for a lot of fleet ships. Not sure when this will go live."
I wonder, if that means those odd shield modifiers.