Yeah um, I did consider this stuff in an earlier post but didn't go into much detail. I'm leaning toward dusting off my B'rel Spooooooon and seeing how bad it can be Doffs/VM/SS/AMS/Trics/PSWTorp/PSW et al.
[Zone] Dack@****: cowards can't take a fed 1 on 1 crinckley cowards Hahahaha you smell like flowers
Random Quote from Kerrat
"Sumlobus@****: your mums eat Iced Targ Poo"
C&H Fed banter
I'm reserving opinion until the stats are released. But so far it looks like if you don't go purple and dose up on The White, you should go home v.v
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+300% threat for APD. In SB24? Look like that tac scort is going to edge you out of 1st place? Drop the new and improved Attack Pattern Respawn on him and watch him aggro everything.
_______________ CommanderDonatra@Capt.Sisko: ahhh is it supposed to do that? Norvo Tigan@dontdrunkimshoot: hell ya, maybe
Also another doff that has ZERO use in pve.... go figure right. Not sure why Cryptic insists on dumping on pvp every single box... they can sell these things with out trying to temp pve heros to que up to get revenge. lol
The DOFF sounds ultra annoying. Something like A2B Nebula, spamming scramble 3
"Cryptic Studio’s Jack Emmert (2010): Microtransactions are the biggest bunch of nonsense. I like paying one fee and not worrying about it – like my cellphone. The world’s biggest MMO isn’t item based, even though the black market item GDP is bigger than Russia … microtransactions make me want to die.”
I don't mind the Carriers.. yet.. (Though Assault carrier probably means SIMILAR to Kar'fi, but BETTER obviously.. since it's lockbox)
But this is what pisses me off the absolute MOST..
:mad:
Normally I don't say things like this... But
/Rant on **** you Cryptic! Oh ****ing Gee.. you have to have the Jem'Hadar Attack ship, the best escort in the ****ing game to get Pets for a Carrier.. which will probably be Over ****ing powered ****. Not to mention now this will drive up the ****ing price of the existing bugs on the Exchange!
And to top it off all the ****ing consoles can be used on the god damn Bug?! Making it MORE powerful?! REALLY?!
Before I didn't care to get a Jem'hadar Bug, because honestly I don't think I could fly it properly. Geez../rant off
It doesn't even really make sense. Who's going to own a JHAS on the same toon they're using for a team carrier? I'd say Cryptic is catering to the overly-wealthy but it's not like there are that many JHASes on the market even if you were to want one on ill-fitting toons.
Making it an account-wide unlock wouldn't undercut profits the way it would with the Galor. People can't conceivably get a JHAS, and sure as hell not for a toon that makes zero sense for the ship.
his one, im a bit startled. this has mass team abuse potential. at least the effect only lasts 10 seconds and isn't permanent till its all the way cooled down. i guess it wont be that big a deal
This pisses me off even more... this close to quitting again.
Co-founder of The Spanish Inquisition TSI - Cause no one expects it!
PaxOttomana: gawd mirror event is like fighting a tsi premade, they keep comin and comin!
So basically... science captains are going to be encouraged to use the absolute WORST conceived ability in PvP (scramble sensors) because now it helps you kill your targets faster by keeping them from healing themselves?
All we're going to get now is Scramble spam.
Of course.... this won't be an issue if you play a Jem'hadar ship team with enough Attack Pattern Gamma's to keep your perception buffed. Those teams will be just fine.
Everyone else though.... here comes the PvP premade scramble teams. For those of us who play this game entirely for the PvP, guess we should start looking for something else to do.
Everyone else though.... here comes the PvP premade scramble teams. For those of us who play this game entirely for the PvP, guess we should start looking for something else to do.
I wonder how many of us will meet in ESO
"Cryptic Studio’s Jack Emmert (2010): Microtransactions are the biggest bunch of nonsense. I like paying one fee and not worrying about it – like my cellphone. The world’s biggest MMO isn’t item based, even though the black market item GDP is bigger than Russia … microtransactions make me want to die.”
True, it could be worse and the new dominion pets would snb as well.
"Cryptic Studio’s Jack Emmert (2010): Microtransactions are the biggest bunch of nonsense. I like paying one fee and not worrying about it – like my cellphone. The world’s biggest MMO isn’t item based, even though the black market item GDP is bigger than Russia … microtransactions make me want to die.”
I am almost speechless.
Phew! I am glad I am not a PvP player. I am glad I am a cold hearted singleplayer, that focus on one character only. Makes my life much simpler.
I am waiting for a namechange though. from Star Trek Online to something like Star Wars(!) Online. -if that IP wasn't taken already by that Lucas guy, that name would be more fitting. fair enough STO is set in the Star Trek universe, but it is really becoming a very paradoxial/parallel universe. Far from the original 'Star Trek'.
I am also waiting for a possibility to be discharged from starfleet, to be able to create some immersion as a frivolous mercenary without any bonds back to the Federation Fleet. At the same time, open up for the ability for my character to go visit Klink-planets etc, because there is nothing but bad coding that holds me back from being a rogue trader.
So the ship details are up...I don't know if I should cry or laugh...
"Cryptic Studio’s Jack Emmert (2010): Microtransactions are the biggest bunch of nonsense. I like paying one fee and not worrying about it – like my cellphone. The world’s biggest MMO isn’t item based, even though the black market item GDP is bigger than Russia … microtransactions make me want to die.”
Not bad actually, both are powerful but have fatal flaws. Despite some otherwise beastly stats the heavy escort carrier turns slow for use as an escort, and the dreadnought carrier doesn't have anything close to an ideal boff layout for use as a healer.
.....Why? it gets a lot of durability but can't turn worth **** for an Escort Carrier. At least it doesn't have enough turn rating for Heavy Cannons. The Fed's Escort Carrier is better than it.
Well it's more tactically focused, they didn't lie about that. And although it can outdo other carriers turn wise, it will still turn like a bus with no tires. No doubt it will hurt though.
Mirror Universe Vo'Quv Carrier
The Mirror Vo'quv Carrier favors Engineering Officer Seating and Console Slots more than the non-Fleet Prime Universe version does.
This is better than the regular Vo'Quv, I like this one. Doesn't trade the Lieutenant Commander Tactical Station for anything. Too bad it trades science for the engineering, but it can potentially rival the Recluse for healing.
I didn't include the Mirror Escorts because their basically the opposite Escort in a different skin.
So the ship details are up...I don't know if I should cry or laugh...
Console & pet spam asside the carrier doesn't look that bad since it's got a crappy turnrate. Just keep out of its forward arc for PvP.
The Heavy Escort is basically a destroyer w/pets silmilar to the Vet ships, again console/spam aside. Those look to be made for Aux2batt builds.
[Zone] Dack@****: cowards can't take a fed 1 on 1 crinckley cowards Hahahaha you smell like flowers
Random Quote from Kerrat
"Sumlobus@****: your mums eat Iced Targ Poo"
C&H Fed banter
It (Jem Escort Carrier) turns as fast as a Vesta, and has 2 turn rate on the Vor'cha. It's probably fast enough turning for DHC's.
DDIMS, isn't it funny that this thing is almost stat-for-stat what we were chatting about what the Regent should have looked like as a Tac-heavy Fed cruiser?
If you feel Keel'el's effect is well designed, please, for your own safety, be very careful around shallow pools of water.
So the ship details are up...I don't know if I should cry or laugh...
I actually did a double LMFAO in OPvP - it was spontaneous - LOL wouldn't have cut it.
I'll have to do an update of my joke Dread Battle Carrier build...
Compared to my guess, the ship is:
+6500 hull
-0.15 shield modifier
+1500 crew
-3 turn rate
-1 sci console/+1 eng console
Cmdr Tac instead of LCdr Tac
LCdr Eng instead of Lt Eng
En Sci instead of Cmdr Sci
Lt Uni instead of En Uni
The Sci drop would be the biggest change (but I make almost every ship a Sci - did it with the Chel Grett, have done it with the Ambassador and Kamarag - and did it with the Dread Carrier)..hrmmm.
It (Jem Escort Carrier) turns as fast as a Vesta, and has 2 turn rate on the Vor'cha. It's probably fast enough turning for DHC's.
DDIMS, isn't it funny that this thing is almost stat-for-stat what we were chatting about what the Regent should have looked like as a Tac-heavy Fed cruiser?
Okay, maybe so, but every other Escort will outturn it. Heck, the Chimera and Peg'hu destroyers can outturn it
Too bad they do not bother to post inertia ratings.
"Cryptic Studio’s Jack Emmert (2010): Microtransactions are the biggest bunch of nonsense. I like paying one fee and not worrying about it – like my cellphone. The world’s biggest MMO isn’t item based, even though the black market item GDP is bigger than Russia … microtransactions make me want to die.”
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Here we go again.
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=522771
Yeah um, I did consider this stuff in an earlier post but didn't go into much detail. I'm leaning toward dusting off my B'rel Spooooooon and seeing how bad it can be Doffs/VM/SS/AMS/Trics/PSWTorp/PSW et al.
Random Quote from Kerrat
"Sumlobus@****: your mums eat Iced Targ Poo"
C&H Fed banter
@Aquitaine985
Lag Industries STO PvP Fleet - Executive
A Sad Panda of Industrial calibre.
2010: This is Cryptic PvP. Please hold the line, your call is very important to us...
+300% threat for APD. In SB24? Look like that tac scort is going to edge you out of 1st place? Drop the new and improved Attack Pattern Respawn on him and watch him aggro everything.
CommanderDonatra@Capt.Sisko: ahhh is it supposed to do that?
Norvo Tigan@dontdrunkimshoot: hell ya, maybe
Yay yet another broken Doff. :rolleyes:
Think about this:
American Football has been in open beta for 144 years. ~Kotaku
Also another doff that has ZERO use in pve.... go figure right. Not sure why Cryptic insists on dumping on pvp every single box... they can sell these things with out trying to temp pve heros to que up to get revenge. lol
It doesn't even really make sense. Who's going to own a JHAS on the same toon they're using for a team carrier? I'd say Cryptic is catering to the overly-wealthy but it's not like there are that many JHASes on the market even if you were to want one on ill-fitting toons.
Making it an account-wide unlock wouldn't undercut profits the way it would with the Galor. People can't conceivably get a JHAS, and sure as hell not for a toon that makes zero sense for the ship.
vids and guides and stuff
[9:52] [Zone #11] Neal@trapper1532: im a omega force shadow oprative and a maoc elite camander and here i am taking water samples
This pisses me off even more... this close to quitting again.
PaxOttomana: gawd mirror event is like fighting a tsi premade, they keep comin and comin!
All we're going to get now is Scramble spam.
Of course.... this won't be an issue if you play a Jem'hadar ship team with enough Attack Pattern Gamma's to keep your perception buffed. Those teams will be just fine.
Everyone else though.... here comes the PvP premade scramble teams. For those of us who play this game entirely for the PvP, guess we should start looking for something else to do.
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I wonder how many of us will meet in ESO
Amirite?
/the box is not that bad guys. Relax.
True, it could be worse and the new dominion pets would snb as well.
Sometimes I think that these message boards needs a Like or Karma button..
Think about this:
American Football has been in open beta for 144 years. ~Kotaku
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8huXkSaL7o
I mean I'm guessing it'll be like the Atrox.. maybe. But I just don't know what kind of Mirror it would be.... Cracked I'm guessing..
Think about this:
American Football has been in open beta for 144 years. ~Kotaku
Phew! I am glad I am not a PvP player. I am glad I am a cold hearted singleplayer, that focus on one character only. Makes my life much simpler.
I am waiting for a namechange though. from Star Trek Online to something like Star Wars(!) Online. -if that IP wasn't taken already by that Lucas guy, that name would be more fitting. fair enough STO is set in the Star Trek universe, but it is really becoming a very paradoxial/parallel universe. Far from the original 'Star Trek'.
I am also waiting for a possibility to be discharged from starfleet, to be able to create some immersion as a frivolous mercenary without any bonds back to the Federation Fleet. At the same time, open up for the ability for my character to go visit Klink-planets etc, because there is nothing but bad coding that holds me back from being a rogue trader.
I.K.S. Phas'lolaroN
Jem'Hadar Dreadnought Battle Carrier
Hull: 38,500
Shield Modifier: 1.3
Crew: 2000
Turn Rate: 9
(Rom) TT1, BFAW2, APO1
(Rom) TT1, THY2
EPtS1, AtS1
(Uni Slot) EPtS1
(Hum) PH1, HE2, SS2, VM3
DOFFs: BIO(SS), SE(VM-Add), SE(VM-Spread), DCE(AtS), SDO(BFI)
Deflector/Engine/Shield: Jem'Hadar Mk XII
Weapons
Fore: 3x Dominion Phaser Polaron Mk XII [Acc] [CrtH], Omega Torpedo
Aft: 2x Dominion Phaser Polaron Mk XII [Acc] [CrtH], Cutting Beam
Consoles
Tac: 3x Phase Modulator Mk XII, Leech
Eng: Borg, Tachyo, Neut Mk XII
Sci: Aceton, DCP, DCI
Devices: RMC, Scorpions, Eng Battery
Hangar #1: Advanced Siphon Drones
Hangar #2: Advanced Siphon Drones
Captain Passives
Romulan: +3% Crit, ShieldHealOnBeingCritProc
Omega: +30 Weapon Skill, ShieldRegen
+15 Weapon Power
"We're already dead - we go into battle to LOL!"
- anonymous Jem'Hadar
edit: I'll have to edit this since the actual stats are out...http://sto.perfectworld.com/blog/?p=805421
Well, looking at the Mirror Qin and Mirror Vor'cha - guessing the Mirror Vo'quv will trade the LCdr Tac for Lt Tac and possibly add an En Eng:
Lt Tac, LCdr Eng, En Eng, Lt Sci, Cmdr Sci
edit: Well, they just switched consoles and Lts...
Mirror Universe Vo?Quv Carrier
The Mirror Vo'quv Carrier favors Engineering Officer Seating and Console Slots more than the non-Fleet Prime Universe version does.
Faction: Klingon
Rank Required: Brigadier General
Availability: Dominion Lockbox
Hull Strength: 42,000
Shield Modifier: 1
Crew: 4000
Weapons: 3 Fore, 3 Aft
Device Slots: 4
Bridge Officer Stations: 1 Lieutenant Commander Tactical, 1 Lieutenant Commander Engineering, 1 Lieutenant Engineering, 1 Commander Science
Console Modifications: 2 Tactical, 4 Engineering, 3 Science
Base Turn Rate: 5 degrees per second
Impulse Modifier: 0.15
+10 Auxiliary Power
Heavy Escort Carrier
Faction: Federation or Klingon
Rank Required: Rear Admiral or Brigadier General
Availability: Dominion Lockbox
Hull Strength: 37,500
Shield Modifier: 1
Crew: 350
Weapons: 4 Fore, 3 Aft
Device Slots: 3
Hangar Bays: 1
1 Jem'Hadar Fighter Hanger Pet
Bridge Officer Stations: 1 Commander Tactical, 1 Lieutenant Commander Engineering, 1 Lieutenant Engineering, 1 Ensign Science, 1 Lieutenant Universal
Console Modifications: 4 Tactical, 4 Engineering, 2 Science
Base Turn Rate: 12 degrees per second
Impulse Modifier: 0.2
+10 Weapon Subsystems, +5 Shield Power, +5 Auxiliary Power
Console ? Universal ? Dominion Coordination Protocol
.....Why? it gets a lot of durability but can't turn worth **** for an Escort Carrier. At least it doesn't have enough turn rating for Heavy Cannons. The Fed's Escort Carrier is better than it.
Jem'Hadar Dreadnought Cruiser.
Faction: Federation or Klingon
Rank Required: Rear Admiral or Brigadier General
Availability: Lobi Store
Hull Strength: 45,000
Shield Modifier: 1.15
Crew: 3500
Weapons: 4 Fore, 3 Aft
Device Slots: 3
Hangar Bays: 2
2 Jem'Hadar Fighter Hanger Pets
Bridge Officer Stations: 1 Commander Tactical, 1 Lieutenant Tactical, 1 Lieutenant Commander Engineering, 1 Ensign Science, 1 Lieutenant Universal
Console Modifications: 4 Tactical, 4 Engineering, 2 Science
Base Turn Rate: 6 degrees per second
Impulse Modifier: 0.17
+10 Weapon Subsystems, +10 Auxiliary Power
Subsystem Targeting
Console ? Universal ? Dominion Command Interface
Well it's more tactically focused, they didn't lie about that. And although it can outdo other carriers turn wise, it will still turn like a bus with no tires. No doubt it will hurt though.
Mirror Universe Vo'Quv Carrier
The Mirror Vo'quv Carrier favors Engineering Officer Seating and Console Slots more than the non-Fleet Prime Universe version does.
Faction: Klingon
Rank Required: Brigadier General
Availability: Dominion Lockbox
Hull Strength: 42,000
Shield Modifier: 1
Crew: 4000
Weapons: 3 Fore, 3 Aft
Device Slots: 4
Bridge Officer Stations: 1 Lieutenant Commander Tactical, 1 Lieutenant Commander Engineering, 1 Lieutenant Engineering, 1 Commander Science
Console Modifications: 2 Tactical, 4 Engineering, 3 Science
Base Turn Rate: 5 degrees per second
Impulse Modifier: 0.15
+10 Auxiliary Power
This is better than the regular Vo'Quv, I like this one. Doesn't trade the Lieutenant Commander Tactical Station for anything. Too bad it trades science for the engineering, but it can potentially rival the Recluse for healing.
I didn't include the Mirror Escorts because their basically the opposite Escort in a different skin.
Console & pet spam asside the carrier doesn't look that bad since it's got a crappy turnrate. Just keep out of its forward arc for PvP.
The Heavy Escort is basically a destroyer w/pets silmilar to the Vet ships, again console/spam aside. Those look to be made for Aux2batt builds.
Random Quote from Kerrat
"Sumlobus@****: your mums eat Iced Targ Poo"
C&H Fed banter
DDIMS, isn't it funny that this thing is almost stat-for-stat what we were chatting about what the Regent should have looked like as a Tac-heavy Fed cruiser?
I actually did a double LMFAO in OPvP - it was spontaneous - LOL wouldn't have cut it.
I'll have to do an update of my joke Dread Battle Carrier build...
Compared to my guess, the ship is:
+6500 hull
-0.15 shield modifier
+1500 crew
-3 turn rate
-1 sci console/+1 eng console
Cmdr Tac instead of LCdr Tac
LCdr Eng instead of Lt Eng
En Sci instead of Cmdr Sci
Lt Uni instead of En Uni
The Sci drop would be the biggest change (but I make almost every ship a Sci - did it with the Chel Grett, have done it with the Ambassador and Kamarag - and did it with the Dread Carrier)..hrmmm.
Okay, maybe so, but every other Escort will outturn it. Heck, the Chimera and Peg'hu destroyers can outturn it
Plenty of BOff space for Warp Plasma and a Tractor Beam to make up for it.
[Edit]
And Siphon Drones/Danubes as well.
Though I wonder if the Elite versions of the fighters will pick up DEM 3 as the normal ones come with DEM 1?