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Winter Event Competitive Race - "The Fast and the Flurrious"

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    squishkinsquishkin Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    These guys are right. Hacking the Kobayashi Maru is an established and significant portion of Star Trek lore.

    This means that if I use an exploit to skip the race track, or use a glitch to complete a Fleet Action for instant Dilithium, or hack the Tailoring system so I can have access to costume parts I shouldn't have, they won't take any actions.

    The devs know all these exploits happen, they just don't take action against anyone because hacking is part of Star Trek.

    There's a clear difference I can see in making a jump- which is as I said earlier an established part of racing lore and doesn't guarantee a victory in any event- and a programming glitch.

    The fact that it might not have been an intended possibility is unfortunate but hardly earth-shattering.
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    tachyonharmonictachyonharmonic Member Posts: 292 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    squishkin wrote: »
    There's a clear difference I can see in making a jump- which is as I said earlier an established part of racing lore and doesn't guarantee a victory in any event- and a programming glitch.

    The fact that it might not have been an intended possibility is unfortunate but hardly earth-shattering.

    No you guys were right; I'm agreeing with you. Kirk TRIBBLE the Kobayashi Maru and Q just changes reality how he wants. Bending the rules is part of Star Trek lore, heck they probably expected us to find some sort of shortcut in the game. The devs know this and that's why they don't punish it.

    Besides, it's only a game, and the rewards are small things like epohh tags or dilithium or whatever.
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    chiisaumachiisauma Member Posts: 19 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    f2pdrakron wrote: »
    Reality check here.

    This is not a exploit, you dont "win" by dancing or log out and log back in or anything and were they are being "ripped to shreds"? the reward is simply Epohh tags that you only use to raise 3 specific breeds that are tied to the event, they cannot even be used on New Romulus or to trade 5 for 200 Latinum.



    We mock then for one reason, the only thing you get out of coming first is more Epohh tags ... THATS IT!

    The accolade? Place First OR Run it 20 times ... unless "the right thing" is winning and NEVER DO IT AGAIN! since the incentive is just not there and I can say that because I, at times, was the only one racing.

    And another thing, I can understand Cryptic wanting for players to just not bypass HALF the race lenght but if the race worked EXACTLY like that (trick jump) then were its the so called "exploit"? Again there is NONE.

    The only I seen was people being too busy calling names because they didnt win and this is not because of a exploit since (almost) everyone jumps but rather because they are sore losers.

    Oh lets see what happens when its working as intended and people bring their fleetmates to throw snowballs at the competition ... there is a knockback effect, nothing stops people from also throwing then during the race (besides the difficulty of targeting), will that be a exploit?

    Or will I see empty races?

    If it not such a big deal; if the rewards are so terrible; then why is the the same people using the exploit over, and over, and over to win? Trust me that you all saying "I am not getting anything useful from this" to rationalize continuously using what is obviously an exploit to rob those running the track as intended from any chance of winning or earning titles/items does NOT make anyone feel better about your repeated useage of an exploit to constantly rob them of a chance to win.

    If there is nothing in it for you; then stop exploiting, and let someone else have a chance to win when running legitimately. Hows that for some logic?

    If you are already full; do you still take the last plate of food, just so no-one else can have it? If you are not thirsty; do you take the last drink? There are words used for people who act like this, none of them are flattering, and most cannot be used here. But I think they apply perfectly to all you repeated exploit users. And somehow you wonder why others get upset at your behaviour.
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    continuum4t7continuum4t7 Member Posts: 7 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    Well said above poster.

    To the people saying "It's only Epohh tags", they might not be worth much to you, but just because you don't find them valuable doesn't mean others don't A collector for example would need a LOT of them to get every variation of the Epohh companions, especially since from what little I've seen of it, it comes down to the chance of getting a success or critical success in duty officer assignments.

    To the people saying "It's only a game", I grew up believing the things about becoming a better person, so when I play the game I follow these beliefs. While I would never 'cheat' myself, I know other people play STO differently so I have no issue with them 'cutting corners' as long as it doesn't take anything away from anyone else, which this exploit clearly does. Noone deserves to have their fun ruined by someone else, and then have that player turn around and say "Get over it, it's only a game."

    To the people saying "What about the Kobayashi Maru", well this excuse is flawed from the beginning because Kirk didn't break the rules to steal anything from anyone else or ruin their own experiences. He broke the rules because he didn't believe in a no win scenario and the race itself is NOT a no win scenario. I also sincerely hope you stop making up excuses for your behavior and try to have fun without ruining it for others.

    I believe that people who go out of their way to prevent other people from having fun in a game deserve to be banned from that game, and I'm lost for words when I come here and find those same people defending their appaling behavior. My final advice to these troublemakers is to play the game and enjoy yourself, just NOT at the expense of others.
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    romuzariiromuzarii Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    So we should all agree by now that everyone using this shortcut are A)loathsome ****s and B)Not worth the trouble anymore because come this thur they're going to be QQing when they can't win races anymore for tags.

    As far as I know Kirk never TRIBBLE the system to rob somebody of something of value so I'm wondering why it's even brought up as being in the same league as cheating at a PVP foot race. It's a clear cheat when you bypass 3/4 of the race by using it. Once this blows by we're going to have a 7 page long thread about how using rolls is also cheating because you got out rolled by the 1st place winner, or it'll be about how using frosted boots is cheating. If you don't win it's because everyone that beat you cheated. This is standard operating procedure when playing MMOs and losing at PVP content(which includes competition for claiming NMs)I'm just mocking complaining, is all, because the obvious solution to this "problem" all along has been to cheat too until it's fixed.
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    assimilatedktarassimilatedktar Member Posts: 1,708 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    To the people saying "What about the Kobayashi Maru", well this excuse is flawed from the beginning because Kirk didn't break the rules to steal anything from anyone else or ruin their own experiences. He broke the rules because he didn't believe in a no win scenario and the race itself is NOT a no win scenario.

    Okay, so according to you cheating at a test is all right because you don't harm anyone else by doing it. (Well, if you ignore the fact that you get an unfair advantage in terms of who gets to hold a speech at the graduation ceremony, better grades give you better job chances against people who didn't cheat etc.) Kirk was the one to win the scenario no one else could. Doesn't look good in the evaluation, does it?
    I also sincerely hope you stop making up excuses for your behavior and try to have fun without ruining it for others.

    I have no need to excuse myself for anything. I stumbled by accident over a shortcut in the race and unless I'm running alone I'm going to use it just like every sane person I run against until they fix it.
    I believe that people who go out of their way to prevent other people from having fun in a game deserve to be banned from that game, and I'm lost for words when I come here and find those same people defending their appaling behavior. My final advice to these troublemakers is to play the game and enjoy yourself, just NOT at the expense of others.

    Woah, woah, woah. Who's going out of their way to prevent others from having fun? Until it is fixed EVERYBODY can jump down there. Now you have to explain to me, why it kills the fun for you to take a slightly different path for a week. It makes things less boring.
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    continuum4t7continuum4t7 Member Posts: 7 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    Some people just don't seem to get it, lol.
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    elandarkskyelandarksky Member Posts: 1,013 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    the response to the kobiyashi maru idea is that there is no reward being stolen from other players, whereas in the race, the exploiter cheats another person out of tags?
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    telmatkhantelmatkhan Member Posts: 9 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    Cheaters never prosper!! You don't deserve to ware that uniform!
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    blakes7tvseriesblakes7tvseries Member Posts: 704 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    This is the most messed up race, actually its not a race but whose the fastest clicker game.

    If your the fastest doesn't mean you win when anyone can come up behind you and take your flag.

    Even if they fix the jump off the cliff, its still messed up if someone slower than you can still get 1st place.
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    darkstarkiriandarkstarkirian Member Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    This is the most messed up race, actually its not a race but whose the fastest clicker game.

    If your the fastest doesn't mean you win when anyone can come up behind you and take your flag.

    Even if they fix the jump off the cliff, its still messed up if someone slower than you can still get 1st place.

    This^^
    This has happened to me a couple times today.
    *get close, start spamming ffffffff, guy behind me takes flag*...

    Plus there are a couple DQ spots that are on the track that are way too "on" the track.
    If can slide half way up a slope in one spot and not get DQ, but not leave the track in another and get DQ, the DQ lines need reviewed.

    Plus, I found a couple of odd collision spots on some of the ice rock that will stop you dead.
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    targpetz101targpetz101 Member Posts: 25 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    This^^
    This has happened to me a couple times today.
    *get close, start spamming ffffffff, guy behind me takes flag*...

    I had this happen to me a couple times today. It's extremely annoying to get there first just to have to lunge for the 2nd place flag.
    This really needs fixed.
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    fluffytargcreamfluffytargcream Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    Yes, it is extremely frustrating that Cryptic can't even make a race that is without bugs.
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    conundrumnsaconundrumnsa Member Posts: 705 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    Yes, it is extremely frustrating that Cryptic can't even make a race that is without bugs.

    It's not just the bugs, it's the TRIBBLE design of having to click the flag to actually win.

    My guess is they couldn't figure out how to actually make the code work so that it is based on who finishes first...so they just slapped the stupid clicky flags on the end.
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    azurianstarazurianstar Member Posts: 6,985 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    I just discovered another flaw with that race that could give a small edge over players. Going to PM that info to Bran.
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    conundrumnsaconundrumnsa Member Posts: 705 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    Who else is sick of losing or getting a worse position because the stupid flag clicks don't register?


    Why even make it a race if actually finishing the race quickest doesn't matter.
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    tjchaptjchap Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    An issue I've had several times over the weekend is getting CLOSE to the edge of the track and being disqualified, when I NEVER left the track. Please make the track a little more forgiving or just give us the 2 tags for entering.

    Oh, and I agree about the weakness of the flag system. I came in a close 1st in a race, but because the other guy was a better f-keyer, he got the 1st place flag, leaving me with no time to grab any other flag. Needless to say I walked away from a race I WON with 2 tags.
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    neoakiraiineoakiraii Member Posts: 7,468 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    Not me I love the race
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    anazondaanazonda Member Posts: 8,399 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    Run it till you've won it, then stop... nothing there you can't get my other means anyways
    Don't look silly... Don't call it the "Z-Store/Zen Store"...
    Let me put the rumors to rest: it's definitely still the C-Store (Cryptic Store) It just takes ZEN.
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    conundrumnsaconundrumnsa Member Posts: 705 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    Mods here truly suck...just randomly deciding to merge threads on some subjects into giant threads no one reads...let leave other subjects alone.
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    lordmalak1lordmalak1 Member Posts: 4,681 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    Don't know if it's a bug or not, but first 4 times I ran the race after last Thursdays patch I couldnt complete the race:
    First time went over the cliff to test new patch- NO DQ but didn't get a flag to claim at finish line.
    Next 3 runs- ran the entire course but got DQ'd evertime because I got too close to the cliff but didn't go over.

    I've since learned to run the course properly but see others taking MASSIVE shortcuts across corners to win. Not that I'm concerned since I got all the tags and accolades I'll ever need but I kinda miss the cliff leaping sprint, this 'cheaters paradise' steeplechase is for the birds.
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    tjchaptjchap Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    I know this event is almost over, but I have to ask. Is there some buff or item that increases running speed besides the Frosted Boots. I usually have a better then average chance of winning these races and I DO have Frosted Boots. But i've observed some people blowing past me sometimes on the final stretch, they're behind me, AND they don't appear to be wearing Frosted Boots. I'd like to know for next year and my own peace of mind, as It makes my suspect foul play.
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    azurianstarazurianstar Member Posts: 6,985 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Frosted Boots do not give speed boosts when on the race tracks, since the ice has the same effect. And far as I know there is nothing else that gives speed boosts.

    That said, in several races, I have seen people zip past me while I'm in First place and in a flat sprint on a straightaway. Which has me suspicious that there is somekind of exploit that circumvents the Q WW debuff.


    Also while they are checking things out, that one turn after the drop off needs to be addressed for next year. And wouldn't hurt to neutralize Cat Jumps as well.
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    jjumetleyjjumetley Member Posts: 281 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    You now what irritates me? Capturing flags at the end.

    A situation from today. I now I'm not going to win, but I'm sure I'll at least have the second place. Guess what! The guy who was first didn't grab the flag. The second flag didn't appear so I overshot the finish line with nothing (well - 2 tags - WOW!). Those who were behind grabbed the 1st, 2nd and 3rd place. Really Cryptic? There has to be a better way of giving out prizes at the end of the race...
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    markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,231 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    jjumetley wrote: »
    You now what irritates me? Capturing flags at the end.

    A situation from today. I now I'm not going to win, but I'm sure I'll at least have the second place. Guess what! The guy who was first didn't grab the flag. The second flag didn't appear so I overshot the finish line with nothing (well - 2 tags - WOW!). Those who were behind grabbed the 1st, 2nd and 3rd place. Really Cryptic? There has to be a better way of giving out prizes at the end of the race...
    and that is why I tend not to sprint to the flag.
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    jjumetleyjjumetley Member Posts: 281 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    and that is why I tend not to sprint to the flag.
    Even when there's another player four steps behind you? ;)
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    markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,231 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    jjumetley wrote: »
    Even when there's another player four steps behind you? ;)
    I sprint until I'm ALMOST to the flag, then start mashing F as I slide the rest of the way.
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