im just going to say for the record that this does not look OP to me. this is an escort that has had its movement nerfed, and its tac heavy stations diluted. a pure escort will still be more dangerous, this is just a jack of all trades really, and overall they tend to be weaker at executing what needs to be done then a pure cruiser, pure escort, or pure sci ship. this does look like it will be a fun toy to pug with though
Nice attitude, pinkie. Let's not get histrionic or anything. :rolleyes:
Don't mind her too much. Much like sollvax, she has her own unshakeable view about how everything should be... so things are a little skewed either way You'll also notice that when Cryptic does something universally 'right' by this forum's standards, she's nowhere to be seen
Though I'm surprised by the lack of OP cries for this ship :P But like dontdrunkimshoot said, doesn't really seem OP when you think about it
Was named Trek17.
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
According to Borticus, yesterday, no. There's no bonus:
Correct.
The Frozen set is designed to fight AGAINST Breen.
The Jem'hadar set gives a bonus to the Dominion ships. Bugship, Galor... The Breen Chel ghret should be on that list too since it was also an ally to the Dominion.
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Yeah, why bother with game balance anymore!? Lets just sell noobs eyecandy for "free", ignoring the fact that we are further killing the game. Yeah what a plan!
Yeah, I can see where you're comming from, seems a bit OP doesn't it? The only downside could be the crew complement (in cruiser terms) but not so much. Still waiting for the shield ratio, guess we'll just have to wait and see how it works in game, I could be wrong.
Probably I'd be getting one for my KDF toon, mainly because it's easily obtainable.
However, as Centersolace said before - I much more look forward blowing it up :rolleyes::D
im just going to say for the record that this does not look OP to me. this is an escort that has had its movement nerfed, and its tac heavy stations diluted. a pure escort will still be more dangerous, this is just a jack of all trades really, and overall they tend to be weaker at executing what needs to be done then a pure cruiser, pure escort, or pure sci ship. this does look like it will be a fun toy to pug with though
You might want to go over those stats a second time.
And what about the commander tactical.....need dreadnought with this o.0
So 4-4 weapones, canons and commander tactical :eek: oh sorry AND 4 tactical console :rolleyes: on a cruiser.
Maybe Lt commander tactical, or 3 aft weapons or 3 tactical console for balance. One of these.
"Balance" is a silly concept anyways. Particularly in a PVE game.
Correct.
The Frozen set is designed to fight AGAINST Breen.
The Jem'hadar set gives a bonus to the Dominion ships. Bugship, Galor... The Breen Chel ghret should be on that list too since it was also an ally to the Dominion.
The Breen Sub-Zero set wasnt made to fight against the Breen... atleast that not what it seems like considering the set gives you a Breen power and... powers up nearly every weapon they use in some way...
So Bran, curious, will the Breen Set add a little thematic bonus to this ship the way the Jem'Hadar Set adds to the Bug and the Galor?
TO EVERYONE ASKING ABOUT THE BREEN SET
the breen set is extreamly horrible, non set equipment with decent mods are FAR better. the dominuion set is actually pretty good, so it makes sense to have a bonus with those ships. giving the breen set a bonus with a breen ship is just a trap for people that don't know any better. the equipment is only sorta ok at fighting against breen ships, thats all.
Welll lets see, 2 points under the turn rate of most escorts, increased shields, increasd hull, all the tact slots you'd want, all the engineering slots you'd want, all the sci slots you'd want... 4 aft weapons, 3 device slots, high crew, command tactical, lt tactical, ensign universal :S and $10s says Breen Energy Dissipater* Universal Console is going to break the game by itself.
the breen set is extreamly horrible, non set equipment with decent mods are FAR better. the dominuion set is actually pretty good, so it makes sense to have a bonus with those ships. giving the breen set a bonus with a breen ship is just a trap for people that don't know any better. the equipment is only sorta ok at fighting against breen ships, thats all.
Oh other people were asking? I missed it. And yeah the Breen Set isn't amazing but stats aren't everything. Sometimes its just about thematic appropriateness and fun.
Welll lets see, 2 points under the turn rate of most escorts, increased shields, increasd hull, all the tact slots you'd want, all the engineering slots you'd want, all the sci slots you'd want... 4 aft weapons, 3 device slots, high crew, command tactical, lt tactical, ensign universal :S and $10s says Breen Energy Dissipater* Universal Console is going to break the game by itself.
+5 to engines +10 to weapon power yupyup.
Do not worry ,most people who will try pvp with it dont know about keybinds ,boff powers and how to set them up ,or proper builds for heal/damage or how to skill a toon...stop with the panic ,it wont affect pvp because pvp is not played and even if it is no one will kill you :P
dont forget that the winter event has a pvp system...snowballs pvp
Welll lets see, 2 points under the turn rate of most escorts, increased shields, increasd hull, all the tact slots you'd want, all the engineering slots you'd want, all the sci slots you'd want... 4 aft weapons, 3 device slots, high crew, command tactical, lt tactical, ensign universal :S and $10s says Breen Energy Dissipater* Universal Console is going to break the game by itself.
+5 to engines +10 to weapon power yupyup.
It's a cruiser that gives up part of it's tankness for firepower... it means it will die quicker, before it has a chance to use that firepower :P Isn't that how it works?
And a console that can only be equipped on this ship (or other Breen ships), has a mins-long cooldown we can assume, causes general power drain with chance to take one offline, is Targetable (meaning you can shoot it down), and will probably have a global cooldown with the Breen set's 3-piece ability, and other power drain abilities...
yeah, that's game-breaking imo
Was named Trek17.
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
Do not worry ,most people who will try pvp with it dont know about keybinds ,boff powers and how to set them up ,or proper builds for heal/damage or how to skill a toon...stop with the panic ,it wont affect pvp because pvp is not played and even if it is no one will kill you :P
dont forget that the winter event has a pvp system...snowballs pvp
Just because you don't play PvP doesn't mean other people do. Like for example: People with the gametag Mewi Just saying. Cryptic has gotten 80 times worse these last few months with game balance, they keep releasing fluff doff specializations, and skill "improvements" just recently they patched a skill that could kill any player in under 10 seconds with repulsers, supposedly cutting beam also has a similar effect. GG Cryptic, the geniuses of game scripting.
Oh look it is trek21 defending cryptic again, big surprise there.
And mewi, when Cryptic does something right by this forum's standards (like the Winter Event blog yesterday), you were nowhere to be seen :P So I guess we're just on completely opposite sides
Was named Trek17.
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
Yeah, why bother with game balance anymore!? Lets just sell noobs eyecandy for "free", ignoring the fact that we are further killing the game. Yeah what a plan!
Shut Up Wesley! (your name IS Wesley in real life isn't it? :P )
Again this is all soooo full of WIN imo! My love goes out to you again for this Cryptic Devs! Thank You!
Yesh Cryptic thank you for the over powered eyecandy! Keep doing more of the same! It is "free" Im so happy, im so sorry for complaining all of the times you lied to me! I forgive you for the endless dilithium gouge, that you will probably also impose on this "free" ship! But that is okay! You gave me overpowered eyecandy, so I forgive you, no matter how many more bad ideas will be conceived in the future, as long as I get my overpowered Eyecandy for "free." Yay ^.^
Yeah, why bother with game balance anymore!? Lets just sell noobs eyecandy for "free", ignoring the fact that we are further killing the game. Yeah what a plan!
but will we get to unlock with the higher reputation system we go
Yesh Cryptic thank you for the over powered eyecandy! Keep doing more of the same! It is "free" Im so happy, im so sorry for complaining all of the times you lied to me! I forgive you for the endless dilithium gouge, that you will probably also impose on this "free" ship! But that is okay! You gave me overpowered eyecandy, so I forgive you, no matter how many more bad ideas will be conceived in the future, as long as I get my overpowered Eyecandy for "free." Yay ^.^
You know you are a smart girl; I'm just surprised you haven't learned that to work for PvP balance in a mainly-PvE game is... well, that it's not exactly rewarding, or likely :P
And there are plenty of games with much better PvP modes for you.
Was named Trek17.
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
Welll lets see, 2 points under the turn rate of most escorts, increased shields, increasd hull, all the tact slots you'd want, all the engineering slots you'd want, all the sci slots you'd want... 4 aft weapons, 3 device slots, high crew, command tactical, lt tactical, ensign universal :S and $10s says Breen Energy Dissipater* Universal Console is going to break the game by itself.
+5 to engines +10 to weapon power yupyup.
a vet ship with a sci LTC sloted looks more dangerous to me. down on hitpoints a tad but with a more useful, minmaxable station setup. a vet ship with a LTC eng is stupidly more dangerous.
you know im usually 1 of the first to screech and howl about something being op, but i just don't see it here. was it you that insisted the fleet patrol was on par with the bug ship? im still trying to figure that one out.
the truly OP ships are the ships that do 1 thing well, that are further buffed to do that 1 thing well even more. the bug ship and recluse being the best at dilivering damage and healing damage respectivly, and the most OP in their field.
this ship looses what makes an escort do its thing well, and lets it do other things pretty good in exchange. in the end your left with something closer to mediocre then op. i see this as a fun ship that will fit my preferences well, a ship that can do most of everything, but not be a standout at any one thing. its not that at all. the 10 consoles, 8 weapons, its sorta needs that to be competitive really.
i mean, this ship cant even use 2 AtB. if it could, like the tac LT was a 2nd eng LT, then HOLY TRIBBLE ITS OP, with tech doffs.
I mean it's obviously a competent vessel, it looks fantastic and it's free. Bit of a grind involved but from what I've seen on other threads this event doesn't seem too bad.
My main issue is...can this ship play nice with Engineers? The grind may be simple but it would be time wasted if it turns out to be useless.
but will we get to unlock with the higher reputation system we go
Not to worry, they will be reputationing the Craft system next, I bet it's dilithium costs will be three times the amount for Aegis than it was in the past, if not more. XD
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Nice attitude, pinkie. Let's not get histrionic or anything. :rolleyes:
Thank you for the Christmas Gift, Cryptic!
According to Borticus, yesterday, no. There's no bonus:
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Though I'm surprised by the lack of OP cries for this ship :P But like dontdrunkimshoot said, doesn't really seem OP when you think about it
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
Correct.
The Frozen set is designed to fight AGAINST Breen.
The Jem'hadar set gives a bonus to the Dominion ships. Bugship, Galor... The Breen Chel ghret should be on that list too since it was also an ally to the Dominion.
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Three years and still no Captain Klaa hair...
Yeah, I can see where you're comming from, seems a bit OP doesn't it? The only downside could be the crew complement (in cruiser terms) but not so much. Still waiting for the shield ratio, guess we'll just have to wait and see how it works in game, I could be wrong.
Probably I'd be getting one for my KDF toon, mainly because it's easily obtainable.
However, as Centersolace said before - I much more look forward blowing it up :rolleyes::D
You might want to go over those stats a second time.
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"Balance" is a silly concept anyways. Particularly in a PVE game.
The Breen Sub-Zero set wasnt made to fight against the Breen... atleast that not what it seems like considering the set gives you a Breen power and... powers up nearly every weapon they use in some way...
the vet ships are more dangerous by a fair amount
What, specifically, is your beef with it?
Indeed. At least, "balance" in the sense that "Any one BOP should be able to kill any cruiser," for example, it makes absolutely no sense.
TO EVERYONE ASKING ABOUT THE BREEN SET
the breen set is extreamly horrible, non set equipment with decent mods are FAR better. the dominuion set is actually pretty good, so it makes sense to have a bonus with those ships. giving the breen set a bonus with a breen ship is just a trap for people that don't know any better. the equipment is only sorta ok at fighting against breen ships, thats all.
Welll lets see, 2 points under the turn rate of most escorts, increased shields, increasd hull, all the tact slots you'd want, all the engineering slots you'd want, all the sci slots you'd want... 4 aft weapons, 3 device slots, high crew, command tactical, lt tactical, ensign universal :S and $10s says Breen Energy Dissipater* Universal Console is going to break the game by itself.
+5 to engines +10 to weapon power yupyup.
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-tss3, an rcs, dhc or dc and turrets
i dont know, ill try it for sure
Oh other people were asking? I missed it. And yeah the Breen Set isn't amazing but stats aren't everything. Sometimes its just about thematic appropriateness and fun.
Do not worry ,most people who will try pvp with it dont know about keybinds ,boff powers and how to set them up ,or proper builds for heal/damage or how to skill a toon...stop with the panic ,it wont affect pvp because pvp is not played and even if it is no one will kill you :P
dont forget that the winter event has a pvp system...snowballs pvp
And a console that can only be equipped on this ship (or other Breen ships), has a mins-long cooldown we can assume, causes general power drain with chance to take one offline, is Targetable (meaning you can shoot it down), and will probably have a global cooldown with the Breen set's 3-piece ability, and other power drain abilities...
yeah, that's game-breaking imo
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
Just because you don't play PvP doesn't mean other people do. Like for example: People with the gametag Mewi Just saying. Cryptic has gotten 80 times worse these last few months with game balance, they keep releasing fluff doff specializations, and skill "improvements" just recently they patched a skill that could kill any player in under 10 seconds with repulsers, supposedly cutting beam also has a similar effect. GG Cryptic, the geniuses of game scripting.
Oh look it is trek21 defending cryptic again, big surprise there.
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And mewi, when Cryptic does something right by this forum's standards (like the Winter Event blog yesterday), you were nowhere to be seen :P So I guess we're just on completely opposite sides
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
The Galaxy X should have been like this.
Shut Up Wesley! (your name IS Wesley in real life isn't it? :P )
Again this is all soooo full of WIN imo! My love goes out to you again for this Cryptic Devs! Thank You!
Now... where are my Ice Skates?
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but will we get to unlock with the higher reputation system we go
And there are plenty of games with much better PvP modes for you.
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
a vet ship with a sci LTC sloted looks more dangerous to me. down on hitpoints a tad but with a more useful, minmaxable station setup. a vet ship with a LTC eng is stupidly more dangerous.
you know im usually 1 of the first to screech and howl about something being op, but i just don't see it here. was it you that insisted the fleet patrol was on par with the bug ship? im still trying to figure that one out.
the truly OP ships are the ships that do 1 thing well, that are further buffed to do that 1 thing well even more. the bug ship and recluse being the best at dilivering damage and healing damage respectivly, and the most OP in their field.
this ship looses what makes an escort do its thing well, and lets it do other things pretty good in exchange. in the end your left with something closer to mediocre then op. i see this as a fun ship that will fit my preferences well, a ship that can do most of everything, but not be a standout at any one thing. its not that at all. the 10 consoles, 8 weapons, its sorta needs that to be competitive really.
i mean, this ship cant even use 2 AtB. if it could, like the tac LT was a 2nd eng LT, then HOLY TRIBBLE ITS OP, with tech doffs.
I mean it's obviously a competent vessel, it looks fantastic and it's free. Bit of a grind involved but from what I've seen on other threads this event doesn't seem too bad.
My main issue is...can this ship play nice with Engineers? The grind may be simple but it would be time wasted if it turns out to be useless.
Not to worry, they will be reputationing the Craft system next, I bet it's dilithium costs will be three times the amount for Aegis than it was in the past, if not more. XD
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