TSI reacts to season 7

devorasx

Absolutly never mind.

wolfpack12c

So are you using TCD+DPB right off the ledge or are you going to cheese the cheeseer. Lol also I have to disagree with your sci quote I've been sci sci as a main from closed beta and while its been hard I find it still to be the best.

shimmerless

You hear this kind of thing a lot but I honestly don't see any of the supposed Sci weaknesses at all, at least as far as captains go... snoozers have kind of been outclassed hard by carriers and semi-Sci ships like the Recluse, too...

If someone asked me for my real talk opinion, I'd say that SNB is still the single most powerful ability in game, that Sci has the best all-around repertoire of BOff powers (VM, SS and t-beams for offense; ST, HE and TSS for healing). I've never really had a game where I've felt, "Man, we just have too many Scis here", and pretty much every time I've felt serious heat it's because a Sci has my TRIBBLE in his targets.

redricky

I only tric in PvE but I'm partial to DPA2. DPB3 is often just plain overkill and although DPA2 is one less mine it lets you make a much larger area off limits. Happy tric'ing!

Where does TSI stand on SNB doffs?

thishorizon

So. TSI will now use tric mines and no Sci ships. Huh.

Although I don't agree with that decision for many many reasons, at least you guys had enough respect to give people a heads up.

Also, I hope you have some damn good sciscorts and scicruisers ready to go. Or those nukes aren't going to come easy.

Have fun kill bad guys

dontdrunkimshoot

shimmerless wrote: »

You hear this kind of thing a lot but I honestly don't see any of the supposed Sci weaknesses at all, at least as far as captains go... snoozers have kind of been outclassed hard by carriers and semi-Sci ships like the Recluse, too...

If someone asked me for my real talk opinion, I'd say that SNB is still the single most powerful ability in game, that Sci has the best all-around repertoire of BOff powers (VM, SS and t-beams for offense; ST, HE and TSS for healing). I've never really had a game where I've felt, "Man, we just have too many Scis here", and pretty much every time I've felt serious heat it's because a Sci has my TRIBBLE in his targets.

i have to agree, nothing kills my TRIBBLE beter then then a VM+scan+nuk wile an escort happens to be shooting me. and this is even with 2 AtB undoing the ability cooldown damage significantly. full escort dps is fairly easy to weather, and then completely undo able with RSP and a few hull heals, but its doff buffed VM, and those 2 sci captain debuffs that get me killed the most by far. even more then instances were im ganged up on and receive no team support. doffs fixed sci abilities, i bet even a shield drain build would work now.

dont go down the tric mine path. no one respects tric miners, and if you become like them we wont still respect you just became your trying to be ironic. they arent even that effective, they can only kill the oblivious or unlucky.

paxottoman

devorasx wrote: »

Season 7 has provided lots of challenges and tribbleations, and TSI has been discussing among themselves far and wide. Season 7 has introduced new passives, a reputation grind, and a belief that escort online is somewhat still the motto of the game. So we would like to announce some new playstyle changes in our fleet to the community, and what we intend to do in hope of some favourable changes:

1. Tricobalt mines. We are sick and tired of being the victim of this, so we will now return the favour tenfold. Tricobalt mines with dispersal patterns will now be used more liberally.

2. Science ships. We have deemed after some disusscion that science ships and its science abilties is mostly redundant, easy to counter, easy to resist and the fact key science abilites can be used on other ships, that we will (mostly) not be using them any longer until Cryptic does some significant changes to science skills and its resistance. The Vesta was a welcome change, but most of us know its really an escort in science disguise, but a far weaker version.

3. Cruiser + Escorts = True love. Yes, tank and spank is the new deal. Stronger hull, can carry all the nessecary skills to survive, lots of dps, and not as paper thin and gimmicky as a science ship. But you say that science has the best shields. Yes shields are nice, but shields are easy to strip away by sheer dps alone, or even disables. Besides, a premade team knows that all what is needed is just to keep shields up and running that shield ammount really doesnt matter.

4. No, we will not use cheesy skills like AMS and that sorts. We are still above that and if we do use it, its likely a single "cheap" console, and not a whole loadout like many others use.


With this announcement we want to state an example to the developers on what and how we feel and think the game is going wrong and going good. Cya in space!

You guys chose to be bad guys? Horizon isn't going to like this. And you know what his motto is...

Anyway, go tric some pugs now. See how much people will look up to you guys after this.

grindsmygears1

You guys never let me down. After that long debate you and I had about tsi's use of cheesy OP game mechanics not working as originally intended, you guys are going to pick up the tric/DPB banner and run proudly with it, huh? THIS is exactly what I was talking about with you guys using cheesy TRIBBLE FAW teams back in the day. Good to see things over there haven't changed much

Love the "we won't use cheesy skills like AMS, we're above that" line, but in the very next line you say you may use it. Sounds like something cryptic would say.

Sure glad they fixed voldemort before you guys decided to make your stand. There were a lot of people using it too. I guess that too would have forced you to all exploit that as well.

GG guys

sollvax

Tri-cobalt weapons are banned under the accords
you will DEFINATELY get court martialled

Actually a Sci with repulsors can feed you your own mines
be warned

p2wsucks

devorasx wrote: »

Season 7 has provided lots of challenges and tribbleations, and TSI has been discussing among themselves far and wide. Season 7 has introduced new passives, a reputation grind, and a belief that escort online is somewhat still the motto of the game. So we would like to announce some new playstyle changes in our fleet to the community, and what we intend to do in hope of some favourable changes:

1. Tricobalt mines. We are sick and tired of being the victim of this, so we will now return the favour tenfold. Tricobalt mines with dispersal patterns will now be used more liberally.

2. Science ships. We have deemed after some disusscion that science ships and its science abilties is mostly redundant, easy to counter, easy to resist and the fact key science abilites can be used on other ships, that we will (mostly) not be using them any longer until Cryptic does some significant changes to science skills and its resistance. The Vesta was a welcome change, but most of us know its really an escort in science disguise, but a far weaker version.

3. Cruiser + Escorts = True love. Yes, tank and spank is the new deal. Stronger hull, can carry all the nessecary skills to survive, lots of dps, and not as paper thin and gimmicky as a science ship. But you say that science has the best shields. Yes shields are nice, but shields are easy to strip away by sheer dps alone, or even disables. Besides, a premade team knows that all what is needed is just to keep shields up and running that shield ammount really doesnt matter.

4. No, we will not use cheesy skills like AMS and that sorts. We are still above that and if we do use it, its likely a single "cheap" console, and not a whole loadout like many others use.


With this announcement we want to state an example to the developers on what and how we feel and think the game is going wrong and going good. Cya in space!

1. Not sure if has to do w/time of day I play, the fact I boycotted PvP until Voldy was fixed, or I play KDF and Fed FvK PuGs generally are bad, but I haven't had an issue w/tric mines.

2. Feds have no business complaining about Sci ship options. As others have stated VM w/doffs, SS, Tykens w/doffs, TBs, PSW interrupt are all viable. Even GW w/doffs can be an AoE cloak debuff if nothing else. Depending on the build the gain from Energy Siphon can be useful on its own and coupled w/Tykens is nasty. Not to mention the resist/repair/debuff counter abilities PH, HE, ST, TSS.

3. Sounds like you want to roll KDF side. But, keep in mind as alluded to particularly for DPS oriented Aux2Batt cruisers, high end Sci Boffs and Captain abilities are hard counters.

4. Too much p2w @ this point to go after only consoles considering the lotto/fleet/z-store ship options. I don't see the power creep getting anymore balanced or better.

Tbh, SNB doffs are the main balance issue I have at this point. They're only really useful for PvP and they grant the most powerful debuff in the game. They should only strip 1 random ability and or have a much longer immunity after being triggered.

zorena

So annoying when people hide behind clown forum names.

p2wsucks

zorandra wrote: »

So annoying when people hide behind clown forum names.

My toon's are Xeve and Mipol.

antoniosalieri

Wait... we will spam cheese cause everyone else does...

That is a change to the TSI modus operandi... used to be you spammed the cheese so Cryptic would correct it.

I guess the fact that even the people that do PvP now don't know who the heck TSI is means you had to find a new way to justify. All good... I would suggest you mine spam in your carriers no one would suspect that. lmao

warlordsob

devorasx wrote: »

Season 7 has provided lots of challenges and tribbleations, and TSI has been discussing among themselves far and wide. Season 7 has introduced new passives, a reputation grind, and a belief that escort online is somewhat still the motto of the game. So we would like to announce some new playstyle changes in our fleet to the community, and what we intend to do in hope of some favourable changes:

1. Tricobalt mines. We are sick and tired of being the victim of this, so we will now return the favour tenfold. Tricobalt mines with dispersal patterns will now be used more liberally.

2. Science ships. We have deemed after some disusscion that science ships and its science abilties is mostly redundant, easy to counter, easy to resist and the fact key science abilites can be used on other ships, that we will (mostly) not be using them any longer until Cryptic does some significant changes to science skills and its resistance. The Vesta was a welcome change, but most of us know its really an escort in science disguise, but a far weaker version.

3. Cruiser + Escorts = True love. Yes, tank and spank is the new deal. Stronger hull, can carry all the nessecary skills to survive, lots of dps, and not as paper thin and gimmicky as a science ship. But you say that science has the best shields. Yes shields are nice, but shields are easy to strip away by sheer dps alone, or even disables. Besides, a premade team knows that all what is needed is just to keep shields up and running that shield ammount really doesnt matter.

4. No, we will not use cheesy skills like AMS and that sorts. We are still above that and if we do use it, its likely a single "cheap" console, and not a whole loadout like many others use.


With this announcement we want to state an example to the developers on what and how we feel and think the game is going wrong and going good. Cya in space!

Great jokes here seeing how TSI members have used AMS, Jump, point defense, theta, tachyon mines and that just what I have witnessed.

devorasx

devorasx wrote: »

So we would like to announce some new playstyle changes in our fleet to the community, and what we intend to do in hope of some favourable changes.

devorasx wrote: »

With this announcement we want to state an example to the developers on what and how we feel and think the game is going wrong and going good. Cya in space!

Maybe these 2 quotes will shed some light so people dont go overboard yet again with their passive aggresive insults.

antoniosalieri

devorasx wrote: »

Maybe these 2 quotes will shed some light so people dont go overboard yet again with their passive aggresive insults.

Your right that was pretty passive aggressive of me. I intended to flat out insult you. I shall try harder.

webdeath

Hmm.. No offense.. but I don't think TSI has the same "Street Cred" in PVP that it used to..

Doesn't help that more then half of TSI it seems has been off playing other products out there. (Not that I blaim them mind you!)

So go ahead, field your Escort/Cruiser Pug stomp team. Pew Pew and have fun. If that's what it takes.

Meanwhile I'll enjoy my Aux 2 Bat Orb that makes it eaiser for Escorts to Pew Pew Healers and enemy Escorts. :P

tfomega

You doing this on purpose in order to force everyone to use tric mines plus DB and thereby make the game completely not fun while we all have one hit kills?

devorasx

tfomega wrote: »

You doing this on purpose in order to force everyone to use tric mines plus DB and thereby make the game completely not fun while we all have one hit kills?

Obviously no.

fakehilbert

devorasx wrote: »

So we would like to announce some new playstyle changes in our fleet to the community

What is this? Royal "we"?

devorasx wrote: »

1. Tricobalt mines. We are sick and tired of being the victim of this, so we will now return the favour tenfold. Tricobalt mines with dispersal patterns will now be used more liberally.

By whom? Tricobalts are a bad idea because they aren't reliable enough. (And the whole stun and multiple hits from dispersal patterns thing is no fun either.) Who in their right mind would sacrifice a high-level tac slot on an escort for a dispersal pattern (and two weapon slots for the mines themselves) that will be easily countered by FAW and/or TBR?

devorasx wrote: »

2. Science ships.

3. Cruiser + Escorts = True love.

How about you just post full details on all possible future premade setups that I have tossed around?




Why is it that someone always has to go to the forums and make completely stupid "from now on TSI will only run spam TRIBBLE" announcements? I have no intention of doing anything like that - not when Zorena announced it years ago and not now. And I hope that I'm not the only one in the fleet who thinks that way.

orondis

devorasx wrote: »

1. Tricobalt mines. We are sick and tired of being the victim of this,

Ah dispersed trics. Nothing like giving the opposing team such a beating that one of them feels they have to spam these to make up for the deficiencies in their team or more likely themselves. Sure you can counter them, but when you're in the thick of battle with so much fighter spam and pyrotechnics going on you won't seem them until you're about to be killed by them.

Seriously, I've seen that happen in so many matches now. You give the other team a walloping and suddenly they start dropping 4x tric mines. It's like "we can't win fairly so we have to resort to cheap cheese".

paxottoman

fakehilbert wrote: »

What is this? Royal "we"?


By whom? Tricobalts are a bad idea because they aren't reliable enough. (And the whole stun and multiple hits from dispersal patterns thing is no fun either.) Who in their right mind would sacrifice a high-level tac slot on an escort for a dispersal pattern (and two weapon slots for the mines themselves) that will be easily countered by FAW and/or TBR?


How about you just post full details on all possible future premade setups that I have tossed around?




Why is it that someone always has to go to the forums and make completely stupid "from now on TSI will only run spam TRIBBLE" announcements? I have no intention of doing anything like that - not when Zorena announced it years ago and not now. And I hope that I'm not the only one in the fleet who thinks that way.

Are you telling us Devoras acted alone when making this post? And using the word "We" so boldly to hide behind the TSI banner?

You guys should sit down and talk this out. Even better Hilbert, I'm tossing the TRH Jersey to you, let me know if it fits you.

devorasx

Who the heck said that we are enforcing this upon members? Im saying that we have thought this through, and saying that some of us will make certain changes besides our standard flying formations. Im just saying heads up! A suprise or two is coming your way.
And apologies Hilbert for blowing it off like that, or to others who felt it didnt speak their cause in the fleet. It just sounded like a good idea to mention for the community, but obviously it was not.

aquitaine985

paxottoman wrote: »

Are you telling us Devoras acted alone when making this post? And using the word "We" so boldly to hide behind the TSI banner?

You guys should sit down and talk this out. Even better Hilbert, I'm tossing the TRH Jersey to you, let me know if it fits you.

I was coming around to that as well, you know Dev wouldn't have posted that with MaiKai's consent, he LOVES his sci ships.

Frankly in the heat of a PVP other escorts don't scare me much, and nor do cruisers, but do you know what scares me all the most? Sci ships with abilities and de-buffs coming out the wazzo. You guys want to roll a Tank-DPS love fest? That's totally fine, I'd much rather see one of those against pug teams then science stuff.

grindsmygears1 wrote: »

Sure glad they fixed voldemort before you guys decided to make your stand. There were a lot of people using it too. I guess that too would have forced you to all exploit that as well.

Didn't you hear? TSI showcases bugs & exploits in the queues "in order to bring them to Cryptics' attention" - so totally above board

As was said above, TSI doesn't have half the credibility it oncs did, with Pandas off trying to save the Republic with their aweful haircuts (I imagine the new Panda priest WoW update only with lightsabers) The Crits being here and yet not here, it leaves other fleets room to pick up some much needed talent and show whats left of the community that you don't need cheese to win.

houseofcritz

zorandra wrote: »

So annoying when people hide behind clown forum names.

well most people aint hiding behind clown names there just new names bc the others have been banned.

These threads never go well, i am not sure why people keep starting them

zorena

Just to make this even more silly im going to reply to this retardedness, Generaly TSI never ever had broad fleet policys or we we said don't bring scramble3/TRIBBLE or something and everyone did what they wanted anyhow.


Ok so let me thing we where having an agreement with pandas because we wanted to reduce something. I dont know what it was atm. Then I hear that some latenight fleet members and the ships/half premade are getting owned by Pandas team one night, they laughing because I made them restrict their builds to what we want in the fleet and I don't know some pandas where being like arrogant and telling them they where forced to play without the junk while the pandas where using it themselves. Frankly, the daytime crew never played with what we considered lame or over the top because we didn't need to.

I think tricobalts are weak if you use it as a serious setup then your doing it wrong anyhow. To be fair we in TSI last I recall still have an anything goes policy. Sure some of ous dont play with boat full of garbage consoles but some do and that is just fine.

I mean from the perspective of fleet leader I don't kick people because they use TRIBBLE.


But whatever we are still out there, Noone challenge ous to premades and the people that play play in the ques as premade fleets would get owned anyhow, Still roleplaying and beating up pugs like they have any skill.

havam

hands tissues to maikai so he can polish his fleetnoobula refit while it sits in drydock *pat on the back* i hear you bro

ocp001

fakehilbert wrote: »

What is this? Royal "we"? <snip>


Why is it that someone always has to go to the forums and make completely stupid "from now on TSI will only run spam TRIBBLE" announcements? I have no intention of doing anything like that - not when Zorena announced it years ago and not now. And I hope that I'm not the only one in the fleet who thinks that way.

***digs around frantically for an SOB jersey, finds none***

Rats looks like Turkish RP heroes beat me to it.

But hey, if the jersey doesn't fit.... Send Kedric a PM

virusdancer

fakehilbert wrote: »

Who in their right mind...

So no S7 Chimera BoomBoomBoat?

Sci Captain

TT1, CRF1, APO1, DPB3
EPtS1, AtB1, RSP2
EPtA1, AtB1
ST1, HE2
TSS1

Passives
Romulan: +3% Crit, ShieldHealOnCrit
Omega: +30 Weapon, KineticProc

DOFFs: 2x PWO-M, 3x Tech

Deflector: Omega
Engine: Omega
Shield: MACO

Fore: 3x Rom D-Plasma DHCs, Omega Torp
Aft: 2x Tric Mine, Plasma Mine

Consoles
Tac: Leech, Borg, 2x Infuser
Eng: Tachyokinetic, AMS, Neut
Sci: Rom Zero-Point, Rom Flow Cap (Plasma)

Devices: RMC, SFM, Battery of Choice

fakehilbert wrote: »

Who in their right mind...

I'm a little tea pot...
Short and stout...
Here is my handle...
And here is my...

...oh, a butterfly!

thishorizon

Hilbert, Zorena, love you guys, as always....you know that.

but,

i'd be careful with threads like this. TSI hasn't done anything in my eyes to ever garner animosity, but, it is there.

so,

idunno what to say even. i never expected any thread like this from your camp. i guess thats all.

have fun kill bad guys

bitemepwe

Moshpit!!!!!!!!!!!