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  • bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    levi3 wrote: »
    As long as you keep my posts as part of you sig - you are directly targeting me.

    Are you so embarrassed by it that you must troll me as a tactic to force my not having it?

    OK.
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  • dmd2112dmd2112 Member Posts: 3 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Evidently you've never PvP's and had your BoP shot out from under you repeatedly by a good team of feds, 1-2 escorts bussing around like flys and 2 tanks spewing green stuff and forming purple riffs in space while shining tractor beams around like lights at a concert. When you get to PvP, you really learn what works, either sooner or later, I got mad too but you'll get over it. I play both Fed and KDF and find equal and unequal(both ways) opponents all the time. Temaing is critical, even if you dont communicate with the others, jump on the targets they are working on and work together.

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  • levi3levi3 Member Posts: 1,663 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    bitemepwe wrote: »
    Are you so embarrassed by it that you must troll me as a tactic to force my not having it?

    OK.

    No in fact I don't report any KDF players when they attack me - your Sig could be easily constitue trolling or flaming - and you have done it many times before - this new one which is a week old is only the first of a long line of Sigs where you have done that.

    Hawk which I posted "quotes" in my "Launched the first I.K.S Levi3" thread openly asked KDF players to target and kill me.

    Did not report that - so really what is said does not bother me.

    Funny though I have received lots of warnings - and removal of my posts which even slightly are negative against KDF - are you KDFers reporting me? I thought you had stronger constitutions than to sink to that level.
  • bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    levi3 wrote: »
    No in fact I don't report any KDF players when they attack me - your Sig could be easily constitue trolling or flaming - and you have done it many times before - this new one which is a week old is only the first of a long line of Sigs where you have done that.

    Hawk which I posted "quotes" in my "Launched the first I.K.S Levi3" thread openly asked KDF players to target and kill me.

    Did not report that - so really what is said does not bother me.

    Funny though I have received lots of warnings - and removal of my posts which even slightly are negative against KDF - are you KDFers reporting me? I thought you had stronger constitutions than to sink to that level.

    I would not know. I haven't reported you.

    As to my quoting anyone. I will not quote what is not put into a public forum.
    How about that?

    Otherwise this is not an attack and you are not in any special position of being specifically trolled as I have quoted many, many other players in my signature over the last few years.
    You are merely the only one to let it bother them.
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  • levi3levi3 Member Posts: 1,663 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    bitemepwe wrote: »
    I would not know. I haven't reported you.

    As to my quoting anyone. I will not quote what is not put into a public forum.
    How about that?

    Otherwise this is not an attack and you are not in any special position of being specifically trolled as I have quoted many, many other players in my signature over the last few years.
    You are merely the only one to let it bother them.

    That is Total BS and you know it - ever since I have been on the forums the only person you have "targeted" with your Sig quotes is ME - and you know that - as well as many others.

    So don't come off like you are not trolling/targeting me specifically.
  • cptjhuntercptjhunter Member Posts: 2,288 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    WTF was this thread about again?:rolleyes:
  • bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    levi3 wrote: »
    That is Total BS and you know it - ever since I have been on the forums the only person you have "targeted" with your Sig quotes is ME - and you know that - as well as many others.

    So don't come off like you are not trolling/targeting me specifically.

    LOL - I have quoted many other players than yourself in my signature and I have hardly even quoted you at all in my time playing STO or being on these forums.
    In fact the quote before yours was by DontDrunkImshoot, before that was a signature with a episode 29 link of GoS and another quote that wasn't you.
    I've left many posts in Cruiser threads that had nothing to do with you.
    I've left many posts in many threads that have absolutely nothing to do with you.

    You are hardly being targeted by me at all.
    Though I do admit I will argue your threads and posts when I find them especially anti-KDF trollish in nature.

    That hardly a sign of my targeting you specifically as I go into many threads and argue with many players posts that I find like that in the forums.
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  • levi3levi3 Member Posts: 1,663 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    bitemepwe wrote: »
    LOL - I have quoted many other players than yourself in my signature and I have hardly even quoted you at all in my time playing STO or being on these forums.
    In fact the quote before yours was by DontDrunkImshoot, before that was a signature with a episode 29 link of GoS and another quote that wasn't you.
    I've left many posts in Cruiser threads that had nothing to do with you.
    I've left many posts in many threads that have absolutely nothing to do with you.

    You are hardly being targeted by me at all.
    Though I do admit I will argue your threads and posts when I find them especially anti-KDF trollish in nature.

    That hardly a sign of my targeting you specifically as I go into many threads and argue with many players posts that I find like that in the forums.

    Whatever - this is not productive - the fact is when its a "negative" slatted sig - it's almost always been me you target since I have been on the forums - don't deny that - its not like you.

    Fact is i have always liked our banter when we had one going - so I am just calling truce on this.
  • dirlettiadirlettia Member Posts: 1,632 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    BiteMePwe V's Levi3, shouldnt this thread be in the PvP area or was there a klingon topic here somewhere?

    Still waiting to be able to use forum titles
  • therealsivartherealsivar Member Posts: 195 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    dirlettia wrote: »
    BiteMePwe V's Levi3, shouldnt this thread be in the PvP area or was there a klingon topic here somewhere?

    It's normally how these types of threads go, people start going after each other for one reason or another and it ends up getting closed.
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  • majortiraomegamajortiraomega Member Posts: 2,214 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    The KFD generally isn't overpowered. The only overpowered ship in this game is the Jem'hadar bug ship. (5 tac consoles, cruiser level shielding, highest escort level hull, two universal Lt. slots, turn rate one less than a BoP...you get the idea). Sure, they can be beat in 1v1, but not if the captain behind the ship is worth his salt.

    With that said, there are no overpowered KFD ships in this game. BoP suffer a severe hull weakness. All it takes is one snag in a tractor beam backed with a dual beam bank overload III and that BoP is history. The only OP build on the KFD side is that <insert profane remarks here> KFD energy drain built carrier that drains ALL of your subsystem power and cannot be resisted. The build uses Plasmonic Leech, Aceton Assimilators, Power siphon drones, energy siphon, tykens rift, beam target engines, and viral matrix. After you get hit with that you'd be lucky to make it out alive. With no power your ship is a sitting duck. Sure, half of those abilities will wear off in 30 seconds, but really, how long does it take a Klingon escort to deal 36-50K damage to an immobile unshielded target? This carrier build is what makes the KFD appear to be overpowered. When fighting these carriers in PvP I feel like I am fighting the Breen from Deep Space Nine Season 7 rather than the KFD. The solution is to add a max energy drain cap so that these builds don't cripple entire teams.
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  • gaalomgaalom Member Posts: 531 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    I have used both the Defiant and the Bop with end game gear. They both have weakness and they both have strengths. The bop can not survive a sustained battle, without getting into a whole heap of trouble. If you do not know what I mean by that, then you shouldn't be saying the klingons are op This is why it has battle cloak. Its strength, like an escort, can do a great deal of damage.The escort can take a pounding more so then a bop, and have sustained firepower. Its only weakness is its not a cruiser.

    Klingon ships are built like they are because they are klingon. It would not make much sense to have a galaxy class starship shooting dual cannons. As that ship wouldn't beable to maneuver good enough to use them correctly. If you also look at the hull difference you will see the galaxy class is stronger then its counterpart the Neg'var. The Neg'var however being able to use dual heavy cannons, can move a bit better, and has LESS hull strength.

    The Negh'var has a hull strength of 39k, with a bit better turn rate, and can equip dual cannons. Turn rate 9

    The Galaxy class starship retrofit has 40k hull strength, with less turn rate, and can separate into two pieces. Turn rate 6

    I think you find if you do the research almost all fed and Klingon ships match up like this.

    As far as pvp goes I did the pvp on the fed side, and fed lost most of the team due to poor players. What I mean by that is most of the fed players I got stuck with went hot dogging infront of everyone else, and took on the entire Klingon fleets alone. This equal death. Also when ever they did attack they made the mistake of getting as close as possible to the klingon ships. Attacking a klingon ship from above limits his ability to do damage to you, with the small increase in hull strength and durability you can survive the fight longer then he can. He wont beable to bring his main weapons to bare.

    Now I have seen this same song so many times in the mmo world. This faction is op, this faction sucks blah blah blah blah blah. Teams loose because they do not work together, or they use poor tactics, and lastly they have a poor strategy. This is the truth about mmorpg pvp.
  • carcharodon1975carcharodon1975 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    On topic....the BoP is a ship that allows novice players to feel powerful during the early levels of the game,as there are fewer skills for an opponent to use to defend himself against a BoP's attacks.But at higher levels,as more skills become available,the BoP's weakenesses become more apparent.Whatever argument you might have,the BoP as a ship is far more balanced (strenghts vs weaknesses) than the Fed ships that Cryptic keeps pouring into the C-store.At level cap it takes a lot more skill to fly a BoP,it's actually the hardest ship to master.

    Now for the forum PvP.....
    levi3 wrote: »
    No in fact I don't report any KDF players when they attack me - your Sig could be easily constitue trolling or flaming - and you have done it many times before - this new one which is a week old is only the first of a long line of Sigs where you have done that.

    Hawk which I posted "quotes" in my "Launched the first I.K.S Levi3" thread openly asked KDF players to target and kill me.

    Did not report that - so really what is said does not bother me.

    Funny though I have received lots of warnings - and removal of my posts which even slightly are negative against KDF - are you KDFers reporting me? I thought you had stronger constitutions than to sink to that level.

    Well levi3....you need to grow a spine. You have been chumming the waters for weeks now....and now that the sharks have arrived and you have their attention,you are playing the victim.

    You are like a little kid,pinching the other kids when they are not looking,and then runs to the teacher when he gets chased by the angry mob.
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  • levi3levi3 Member Posts: 1,663 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Now for the forum PvP.....



    Well levi3....you need to grow a spine. You have been chumming the waters for weeks now....and now that the sharks have arrived and you have their attention,you are playing the victim.

    You are like a little kid,pinching the other kids when they are not looking,and then runs to the teacher when he gets chased by the angry mob.

    Actually this is something between Roach and me. or bitemepwe if you have not been around here long enough.

    Funny thing is as I said - I have always enjoyed the banter between the 2 of us - and that is why several post ago I called truce - cease-fire - I give up - because this one was getting way of topic and pointless - and I really don't care that much - so Next.
  • bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    levi3 wrote: »
    Whatever - this is not productive - the fact is when its a "negative" slatted sig - it's almost always been me you target since I have been on the forums - don't deny that - its not like you.

    Fact is i have always liked our banter when we had one going - so I am just calling truce on this.

    Do not worry about it. My signature will change as soon as another quotable post comes along that catches my fancy or I think of something to say.

    I have long used my signature as a billboard of sorts for STO minutia.
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  • carcharodon1975carcharodon1975 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    levi3 wrote: »
    Actually this is something between Roach and me. or bitemepwe if you have not been around here long enough.

    Funny thing is as I said - I have always enjoyed the banter between the 2 of us - and that is why several post ago I called truce - cease-fire - I give up - because this one was getting way of topic and pointless - and I really don't care that much - so Next.

    My comments had nothing to do with Roach,they were aimed at how you conduct yourself on these forums.This post of yours is nothing more than an attempt to deflect unwanted attention away from the real issue.....your contant manipulation,playing two sides to cause strife and discontent between people for your own enjoyment.And when you get caught red handed you play murdered innocence.
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  • levi3levi3 Member Posts: 1,663 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    bitemepwe wrote: »
    Do not worry about it. My signature will change as soon as another quotable post comes along that catches my fancy or I think of something to say.

    I have long used my signature as a billboard of sorts for STO minutia.

    Fair enough - I still do enjoy our banter - that was not something said just to make you change your sig:)
  • bubblygumsworthbubblygumsworth Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    So.. um... that KDF hey...


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  • wolfpack12cwolfpack12c Member Posts: 242 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    I'm a fed I fly sci/sci I kill bops like they are butter I even destroy rapters in no time. It not that klings are over powered its that you fighting good klings as a fed and fighting bad Feds as a kling lol
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  • notapwefannotapwefan Member Posts: 1,138 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    looks like a lockbox fed ship full with hopes was slapped by a casual KDF bop.
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  • orelbitinorelbitin Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    you ppl thay say im just pissed and decided to make a form tell me this how can i in a lev 30 ship take out escorts and cruisers that are vice admirals huuu??:rolleyes:
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  • orelbitinorelbitin Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    just so u know i never used lockboxes and never will i wont spend my time in that
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  • commanderpickardcommanderpickard Member Posts: 7 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    I disagree mate!
    Each faction has its own goods and cons. i have the multi vector escort on the fed side and the guranba on the klingon side and they are quite similar in power and mobility.maybe you should take a look at the duty officers you have and correct their buffs or in other hand use very rare bridge officers that will give you an edge in combat.my lately i have been playing with the klingon carrier and personaly i find it a bit overpowered but thats just me.with two pairs of birds of prey in the air i take out everything easy but i bet you could do the same if you buy the fed counterpart. the best ships are reserved for people that pay or spend lots of credits making a fleet tier 5.try to get the fleet escort version and see if gets any better...
  • hereticknight085hereticknight085 Member Posts: 3,783 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    vitzh wrote: »
    For every "Klingon Side are OP" thread that appears on Klingon Gameplay, do you think we should make a thread "Feds are idiots" on Federation Gameplay and list the mistakes and reasons why they are failing?

    Yes. Please. Then you can see players like certain cruiser posters whose names I shall not mention due to forum rules complain and say it's not true. And then players like me will read it, laugh at the idiots, and then try to apply what was stated into our gaming and get better.
    bitemepwe wrote: »
    Or maybe the Feds are just frackin wimps.

    If they are not complaining about the OP KDF, they are blaiming us for the poor quality of PvP in the FvK ques because some mean old Klingon has mined the spawn point or they whine about any number of percieved afront to thier mighty fandoms.

    They only have excuse on why things suck and they themselves are never tallied in the share of blame for actions they themselves are just as guilty of committing.

    Most of them are PvErs who go to PvP expecting to faceroll the KDF like they do in storyline and SB24. Shame they get their rears handed to them. NOT. Please, keep slapping feds around, I approve!
    Oh boy,one of these threads.....a Fed rolling around on the floor having a temper tantrum like a 3 year old,because he can't kill the big bad Klingon with his overpriced toy.

    It will never end,will it....


    1. Fed goes up against Klingons and gets his behind handed to him.
    2. Fed cries it's unfair that the KDF has 'X'.
    3. Fed goes on the forums and whines and cries that Klingons are OP because of 'X'.
    4. Feds demand 'X'.
    5. Cryptic sees money in providing Feds with 'X'.
    6. Fed 'X' hits the C-store,sales are through the roof.
    7. Fed goes up against Klingons with their new 'X'....and get beaten into a bloody pulp.
    8. Fed cries it's unfair that Klingons used 'Z' to counter the Feds new 'X'
    9. Fed goes on the forums and whines and cries that Klingons are OP because of 'Z'.
    10. Feds demand 'Z'.
    11. Cryptic sees money in providing Feds with 'Z'.
    12. Fed 'Z' hits the C-store,sales are through the roof.
    13. Fed goes up against Klingons with their new 'Z'....and get beaten into a bloody pulp.
    14. Fed cries it's unfair that Klingons used 'A' to counter the Feds new 'Z'.

    .....rinse and repeat....

    Did it ever occur to you that maybe,just maybe it's not the ship but the captain that makes the ship 'OP'?I think the problem is that you mistook the game's imbalance at lower levels as personal skill.

    Personal Skill? What's that? (I rest my case)

    I main my fed. I don't deny this, and I won't dispute anyone who claims it to be true. In all honesty I only made my klink for fun and because my fleetmates wouldn't stop bugging me about it.

    And what I have determined is this. Klingons are OP. The klingons themselves, NOT THEIR SHIPS. The veteran captains who levelled their feds, and then made klinks and then used all that they learned to get better. I know this for a fact. My klink can probably wipe the floor with my fed. Not cuz of ships, but because of skills, and other things I applied AFTER learning.

    My fed flies an Oddy. So it takes a while to kill him. I wish I could redo his traits, since he has a useless one, but you can't so that sucks, oh wells. But my klingon has all useful traits. Accurate, etc. And his skills are also much better for fighting. Granted I need to respec both of them since I am still learning, but at least I don't blame the other guy for my follies, only myself.

    But I will say this. As ships go, Fleet Tor'Kaht is OP. Btw biteme, I bought it, flew it, and still haven't gotten out of it. That ship... freakin wet dream.
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  • p2wsucksp2wsucks Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    ... Snip ...

    But I will say this. As ships go, Fleet Tor'Kaht is OP. Btw biteme, I bought it, flew it, and still haven't gotten out of it. That ship... freakin wet dream.

    KDF Vet ship is better, fyi.

    But, let's be honest they're different playstyles too. Feds have better Sci ships, Repair Support Cruisers, and damage potential from their Escorts. This fits a balanced team which can control a small area.

    KDF have better ability to pick when and for how long a fight will last. The better DPS Cruisers and BC in general work w/this. They have the ability to hit, withdraw, and strike again.

    But, lotto ships have been power creeping past the general faction roles. Other power creep has been introduced as well (various rare doffs, dual proc weapons etc).

    But, you're basic point is correct. The majority of Feds are casual players who aren't good nor interested in being good at PvP. But, the high end Feds and KDF PvPers seem about the same to me at this point lotto ships can easily set them apart though.
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  • vitzhvitzh Member Posts: 519
    edited November 2012
    YKlingons are OP. The klingons themselves, NOT THEIR SHIPS. The veteran captains who levelled their feds, and then made klinks and then used all that they learned to get better. I know this for a fact. My klink can probably wipe the floor with my fed. Not cuz of ships, but because of skills, and other things I applied AFTER learning.

    Again word of Overpowered, it ain't right word to use - Feds can't accept that the majority of KDF players are heavily experienced veterans at this game that know how to fit, skill and spec a toon; in short its a mix of arrogance and ignorance.

    Anyway I seem to be getting strong support for a "Feds are Idiots Thread" So anyone that has got constructive criticism or feedback of what feds do wrong please pm it to me. I'll create a list of notes. I know arrogance is a strong one that I'm going to use.

    Also in response to pvp - you should see what happens to pvp queues after a KDF premade appears at commander level. Hell should see what happens to a warzone like Kerrat when a whole squadron of KDF who are not fed alts in BOPs but fully loaded and armed for combat in Battlecruisers at commander/captain level. Within one round the whole area is fed free. They just don't expect people who know how to fight or use their ships and skills. (hint to those who may have faced me in Kerrat, spamming all your heals and buffs at once just makes it easier for me to kill you) Actually in short, if you learn to pvp in this game, you WILL become a better player overall.

    Also forgot to mention, the original poster is so obviously trolling it ain't funny. Why aren't these sort of threads locked immediately?
  • gaalomgaalom Member Posts: 531 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Its true it has to do with experience. I was just in a arena flying a slow boat Bor'tas, the prototype one. Could hardly move started the match outnumbered, and we still whooped the feds behind. It was simple I helped heal the faster moving ships. We concentrated our firepower on there cruiser, which by the way their escorts were not going out of their way to help, once the cruiser was down we took out the pests known as escorts. We did not completely smash them but we did win. We won by team work, focusing firepower, and understanding that you cant destroy the small ships until the cruisers are out of the way.

    Oh and that Feds guide on Galaxy x class starships proved useful with my Bortas lol.
  • levi3levi3 Member Posts: 1,663 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    vitzh wrote: »
    Again word of Overpowered, it ain't right word to use - Feds can't accept that the majority of KDF players are heavily experienced veterans at this game that know how to fit, skill and spec a toon; in short its a mix of arrogance and ignorance.

    Anyway I seem to be getting strong support for a "Feds are Idiots Thread" So anyone that has got constructive criticism or feedback of what feds do wrong please pm it to me. I'll create a list of notes. I know arrogance is a strong one that I'm going to use.

    Also in response to pvp - you should see what happens to pvp queues after a KDF premade appears at commander level. Hell should see what happens to a warzone like Kerrat when a whole squadron of KDF who are not fed alts in BOPs but fully loaded and armed for combat in Battlecruisers at commander/captain level. Within one round the whole area is fed free. They just don't expect people who know how to fight or use their ships and skills. (hint to those who may have faced me in Kerrat, spamming all your heals and buffs at once just makes it easier for me to kill you) Actually in short, if you learn to pvp in this game, you WILL become a better player overall.

    Also forgot to mention, the original poster is so obviously trolling it ain't funny. Why aren't these sort of threads locked immediately?

    Hiding that last line at the end with the color black? nice touch. I would suggest you don't go through with your thread idea - becasue that will definitely be tagged by the mods as trolling/flaming and will be shut down + you many get a warning as well - trust me I know these things from experience:eek:
  • bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    By the middle moQ of Kahless, I cant believe this thread is still live.
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  • jnohdjnohd Member Posts: 5 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Been a long while since I've seen one of these...

    And they STILL leave me with the same reply: Then play only Klingon, maybe?
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