For every "Klingon Side are OP" thread that appears on Klingon Gameplay, do you think we should make a thread "Feds are idiots" on Federation Gameplay and list the mistakes and reasons why they are failing?
If they are not complaining about the OP KDF, they are blaiming us for the poor quality of PvP in the FvK ques because some mean old Klingon has mined the spawn point or they whine about any number of percieved afront to thier mighty fandoms.
They only have excuse on why things suck and they themselves are never tallied in the share of blame for actions they themselves are just as guilty of committing.
For every "Klingon Side are OP" thread that appears on Klingon Gameplay, do you think we should make a thread "Feds are idiots" on Federation Gameplay and list the mistakes and reasons why they are failing?
Yes, yes we should.
1) Arrogance. They believe the IP exists becuase of them instead they existing becuase of the IP.
2) Arrogance. Problems must exist in the game, the other factions or the very basics of the games code becuase they died or got defeated in a aspect of the game.
3) Arrogance. How can any other species have a ship or vessels of the line that out perform the Feds vessels? It must be cheating or a bug. So thinks the fed player.
It's funny and cruel I know.... but feds in capture and hold should never let it get to that situation.
True enough. Though my grief is against the concept that its ONLY the KDF that does this in PvP.
As if a fed never mined the spawn point, or camped , or use EWP, VTR or waited in hiding for the Klinks to repsawn so they could be easily dispatched again.
The cheese is bad and I do not condone it personaly, but the bulls t that only the KDF use cheese or act like a-holes is as far from the truth as Gene is from life.
1) Arrogance. They believe the IP exists becuase of them instead they existing becuase of the IP.
2) Arrogance. Problems must exist in the game, the other factions or the very basics of the games code becuase they died or got defeated in a aspect of the game.
3) Arrogance. How can any other species have a ship or vessels of the line that out perform the Feds vessels? It must be cheating or a bug. So thinks the fed player.
Would you like honours? I can provide a list of reasons that are all arrogance and ignorance related. Most involving failure or willingless to acknowledge/understand some simple and basic game mechanics. For example the original poster is complaining he can't one shot a bird of prey.... Now I'm wondering if he's a fool using antiproton x3 dmg weapons at a ship using evasive maneuvers and reverse shield polarity and is wondering how he can't take down it's shields?
True enough. Though my grief is against the concept that its ONLY the KDF that does this in PvP.
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Remember spawn camping is only bad if it's not the feds doing it - They hate it when I mine the KDF spawn in Kerrat as it stops them spawncamping. I believe I've been reported for doing it to (although also got reported for pvp'ing in the same warzone cause apparently Kerrat is a PvE zone....)
True enough. Though my grief is against the concept that its ONLY the KDF that does this in PvP.
As if a fed never mined the spawn point, or camped , or use EWP, VTR or waited in hiding for the Klinks to repsawn so they could be easily dispatched again.
The cheese is bad and I do not condone it personaly, but the bulls t that only the KDF use cheese or act like a-holes is as far from the truth as Gene is from life.
Roach you know there are such players on both sides. But the truth is, the average fed in the queue is a lot worse than the average KDF player. Feds are undisciplined and quit/do not enter matches and then it ends like 3v5/4v5 and such. Hence I think Klingons are more guilty of that. When I fly my BoP I simply go AFK in such matches to even the odds.
As someone who plays FvK queues almost exclusively, I can tell you, majority of matches end horribly for the feds and even then, spawn camping only punishes those who actually wanted to play. This in the end draws them away from the qeueues and then you have people in OPVP channel ask fed to actually queue so some match happens.
Poor sportmanship won't draw more players to PvP. Insulting and belitteling them won't as well.
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Roach you know there are such players on both sides.
I know and I wish to make sure nobody forgets it before this forum flares up in another "Fed said/KDF did" complaint fest that only derails the game and causes tempers to rise.
But the truth is, the average fed in the queue is a lot worse than the average KDF player. Feds are undisciplined and quit/do not enter matches and then it ends like 3v5/4v5 and such. Hence I think Klingons are more guilty of that. When I fly my BoP I simply go AFK in such matches to even the odds.
As an honorable warrior should when the sides are imbalanced.
The mining of spawn points or using EWP at the spawn point is not a matter of a player being bad at PvP but of poor personal character.
As someone who plays FvK queues almost exclusively, I can tell you, majority of matches end horribly for the feds and even then, spawn camping only punishes those who actually wanted to play. This in the end draws them away from the qeueues and then you have people in OPVP channel ask fed to actually queue so some match happens.
This goes back to what you said about the average fed being worse on average than the basic KDF player if no cheese was used in the match. The reverse could near be said if the KDf loses, that it was a matter of lack of skill if no fed cheese was used in the match.
Poor sportmanship won't draw more players to PvP.
True for both factions
Insulting and belitteling them won't as well.
Poor players ruin it for everyone.
It does seem though the feds are merely using the KDF as an excuse to run hide in thier FvF ques and blame the FvK ques on us.
I've played in the FvF ques (such has been the level of my boredom) and I see the feds commit cheeese against each other just as often in the FvF ques as they claim the KDF commits it on them in the FvK ques.
If they do not wish to be insulted and belittled then they need to learn that throwing insults in chat will only cuase insults to be returned to them.
Or they can run hide and blame the evils of PvP on the hand full of KDF players still playing this game rather than look at the Devs or themselves as part of the issue as well.
Would you like honours? I can provide a list of reasons that are all arrogance and ignorance related. Most involving failure or willingless to acknowledge/understand some simple and basic game mechanics. For example the original poster is complaining he can't one shot a bird of prey.... Now I'm wondering if he's a fool using antiproton x3 dmg weapons at a ship using evasive maneuvers and reverse shield polarity and is wondering how he can't take down it's shields?
Ignorance of the games mechanics though is also not a factional issue. Many players in both factions are unaware of the games nuiances.
Remember spawn camping is only bad if it's not the feds doing it - They hate it when I mine the KDF spawn in Kerrat as it stops them spawncamping. I believe I've been reported for doing it to (although also got reported for pvp'ing in the same warzone cause apparently Kerrat is a PvE zone....)
How can you be reported for mining you own spawn point? Thats silly.
Almost as silly as the feds refusal to accept that Ker'rat in a PvP zone.
If you had flown over and mined the fed spawn, that would have been a cheese move.
Mining your own spawn to keep the enemy from camping though is hardly cheese.
I'm just tired of the evils of STO being heaped on the KDF.
Everywhere except on the feds it seems. Its time they stood up and accepted they are as much a part of this debacle as the rest of us.
you might think from the tittle im just another person who pissed at the klingons for killing him so much well its true but the tittle its telling the truth
first off i know klingons are over powered because when i started playing as a Klingon and got to level 30 with only 3 weapons in the front of my bird of prey i could insta kill escorts :eek:, i could kill cruisers in a few seconds :eek: and by my standards that too much power.trust me i know thats too much because my fed player has a fleet tactical escort retrofit with 4 weapons in the front 5 tact slots and i cant kill any klingon bird of pray with one shoot :mad: and trust me iv tried many different weapon combinations .
i rest my case, now its all up to judge Judy.
lol jk
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Oh boy,one of these threads.....a Fed rolling around on the floor having a temper tantrum like a 3 year old,because he can't kill the big bad Klingon with his overpriced toy.
It will never end,will it....
1. Fed goes up against Klingons and gets his behind handed to him.
2. Fed cries it's unfair that the KDF has 'X'.
3. Fed goes on the forums and whines and cries that Klingons are OP because of 'X'.
4. Feds demand 'X'.
5. Cryptic sees money in providing Feds with 'X'.
6. Fed 'X' hits the C-store,sales are through the roof.
7. Fed goes up against Klingons with their new 'X'....and get beaten into a bloody pulp.
8. Fed cries it's unfair that Klingons used 'Z' to counter the Feds new 'X'
9. Fed goes on the forums and whines and cries that Klingons are OP because of 'Z'.
10. Feds demand 'Z'.
11. Cryptic sees money in providing Feds with 'Z'.
12. Fed 'Z' hits the C-store,sales are through the roof.
13. Fed goes up against Klingons with their new 'Z'....and get beaten into a bloody pulp.
14. Fed cries it's unfair that Klingons used 'A' to counter the Feds new 'Z'.
.....rinse and repeat....
Did it ever occur to you that maybe,just maybe it's not the ship but the captain that makes the ship 'OP'?I think the problem is that you mistook the game's imbalance at lower levels as personal skill.
The PWE/Cryptic sweatshop...not where the game is made,but where the game is played!
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Let's not blame the player. The fault is on Cryptic side. PvE is so easy it does not prepare the average player for a typical PvP encounter. But all this really starts at the character creation. A new player does not know, that the default races sucks and lacking 10% of accuracy and 10% defence for example is a HUGE difference in the big picture.
As you level up..
- You do not need to balance your shield
- You do not need to move at high speed to max defence bonus
- You rarely miss because mobs have low defence rating
- You rarely die because NPCs lack the spike
- Yout boff selection does not matter in PvE
- Your doff seletcion does not matter in PvE
- etc.etc.
Hence in majority of cases a fed player that for some reason ventures to a FvK is an easy target. And even if you are good, the bad players in your team will pull you down with them.
I wouldn't say Klingon ships are better, but their natural strenght lies in stats that are valuable in pvp combat, such as turn rate. And they are far from gimped. Galaxy class is gimped.
Did you take some of that Bateret Incense? In PvE it certainly does matter what your boff and doff setup is. Maybe not as much as PvP but you can't be strolling around with some mumbo jumbo setup.
Oh boy,one of these threads.....a Fed rolling around on the floor having a temper tantrum like a 3 year old,because he can't kill the big bad Klingon with his overpriced toy.
It will never end,will it....
1. Fed goes up against Klingons and gets his behind handed to him.
2. Fed cries it's unfair that the KDF has 'X'.
3. Fed goes on the forums and whines and cries that Klingons are OP because of 'X'.
4. Feds demand 'X'.
5. Cryptic sees money in providing Feds with 'X'.
6. Fed 'X' hits the C-store,sales are through the roof.
7. Fed goes up against Klingons with their new 'X'....and get beaten into a bloody pulp.
8. Fed cries it's unfair that Klingons used 'Z' to counter the Feds new 'X'
9. Fed goes on the forums and whines and cries that Klingons are OP because of 'Z'.
10. Feds demand 'Z'.
11. Cryptic sees money in providing Feds with 'Z'.
12. Fed 'Z' hits the C-store,sales are through the roof.
13. Fed goes up against Klingons with their new 'Z'....and get beaten into a bloody pulp.
14. Fed cries it's unfair that Klingons used 'A' to counter the Feds new 'Z'.
.....rinse and repeat....
Did it ever occur to you that maybe,just maybe it's not the ship but the captain that makes the ship 'OP'?I think the problem is that you mistook the game's imbalance at lower levels as personal skill.
Oh boy,one of these threads.....a Fed rolling around on the floor having a temper tantrum like a 3 year old,because he can't kill the big bad Klingon with his overpriced toy.
It will never end,will it....
1. Fed goes up against Klingons and gets his behind handed to him.
2. Fed cries it's unfair that the KDF has 'X'.
3. Fed goes on the forums and whines and cries that Klingons are OP because of 'X'.
4. Feds demand 'X'.
5. Cryptic sees money in providing Feds with 'X'.
6. Fed 'X' hits the C-store,sales are through the roof.
7. Fed goes up against Klingons with their new 'X'....and get beaten into a bloody pulp.
8. Fed cries it's unfair that Klingons used 'Z' to counter the Feds new 'X'
9. Fed goes on the forums and whines and cries that Klingons are OP because of 'Z'.
10. Feds demand 'Z'.
11. Cryptic sees money in providing Feds with 'Z'.
12. Fed 'Z' hits the C-store,sales are through the roof.
13. Fed goes up against Klingons with their new 'Z'....and get beaten into a bloody pulp.
14. Fed cries it's unfair that Klingons used 'A' to counter the Feds new 'Z'.
.....rinse and repeat....
Did it ever occur to you that maybe,just maybe it's not the ship but the captain that makes the ship 'OP'?I think the problem is that you mistook the game's imbalance at lower levels as personal skill.
1. Fed goes up against Klingons and gets his behind handed to him.
2. Fed cries it's unfair that the KDF has 'X'.
3. Fed goes on the forums and whines and cries that Klingons are OP because of 'X'.
4. Feds demand 'X'.
5. Cryptic sees money in providing Feds with 'X'.
6. Fed 'X' hits the C-store,sales are through the roof.
7. Fed goes up against Klingons with their new 'X'....and get beaten into a bloody pulp.
8. Fed cries it's unfair that Klingons used 'Z' to counter the Feds new 'X'
9. Fed goes on the forums and whines and cries that Klingons are OP because of 'Z'.
10. Feds demand 'Z'.
11. Cryptic sees money in providing Feds with 'Z'.
12. Fed 'Z' hits the C-store,sales are through the roof.
13. Fed goes up against Klingons with their new 'Z'....and get beaten into a bloody pulp.
14. Fed cries it's unfair that Klingons used 'A' to counter the Feds new 'Z'.
.....rinse and repeat....
Its no coincidence that the feds reactions and the Cryptic marketing strategy are the same......
I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
The OP is actually the prime example of who I'll target if I'm bored enough to PvP on my Klink... people who think they're the Sisko and try to solo everything without their team
When you leave the Fedball, you:
Indirectly buff my stealth (no worries about SS)
Make it harder/impossible for your team to heal or provide support
A Fed team that bands together will wreck most of the KDF's exclusive advantages right off the bat. That's how powerful playing as a team is.
Did you take some of that Bateret Incense? In PvE it certainly does matter what your boff and doff setup is. Maybe not as much as PvP but you can't be strolling around with some mumbo jumbo setup.
No it really really doesn't matter, you can take any combination of Boffs and make it work to get kills in PvE and that has always been the case with this game. Make no mistake that the boff combinations will mostly suck, but you'll still get the kills and get the job done.
That's why PvP players have such low opinions of PvE players, and why older KDF players in particular have low opinions of Fed players, because old school KDF players leveled up through only PvP and the PvE content in the game just seemed pathetic once you get adjusted to PvP gameplay and why KDF players just laugh when threads like this come up.
No the KDF ships are not overpowered, in fact the fed ships are typically more durable when compared on a per class basis.
Like I said, this is not the first of these threads, and it won't be the last until the PvE content that most Feds level up with gets tougher, and no 'Elite' difficulty is not tougher.
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For every "Klingon Side are OP" thread that appears on Klingon Gameplay, do you think we should make a thread "Feds are idiots" on Federation Gameplay and list the mistakes and reasons why they are failing?
Actually the OP originally put this in STO discussion section - it was just moved without the move icon by a mod and re-started under Klingon gameplay.
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PARIS:aye captain*clicks two buttons*
COMPUTER:♪ a mountain targ is as free as a mountain bird ♪
PARIS: sorry wrong buttons
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I, as a KDF player,do not look down on the OP.
Only his message.
Every time you post and continue to keep a prior "joke" post or any post of mine in your sig I will post the positive comments I make about the KDF just to show you how much BS your thing is:
also dont forget the fact that most feddys are carebears and dont know how to PvP for the life of them where as most of the KDF players are PvP orientated and alot more hardcore.
fact is due to the fact that leveling up to 50 in this game is so incredibly effortless that by the time folks get to lvl 50 they have not had any chance to actually learn the game and fit there ships correctly, this game still has a HUGE ways to go for NPE.
Every time you post and continue to keep a prior "joke" post or any post of mine in your sig I will post the positive comments I make about the KDF just to show you how much BS your thing is:
Ok, have fun with that.
So My thing is BS? what thing would that be? My dislike of fed "KDF are OP" threads or the fact I prefer to keep it a "fed thing" and not make it personal to the OP?
So many KDF players think I am anti-KDF but it's simplely not true - I would love for them to make a Vor'cha style sci ship for the KDF side. I have looked over all end-game KDF ships at least a dozen times trying to find one that I like(or trying to convince myself that I could use it) But the fact is there is nothing there that interests me look wise. I like the Kafri stats and layout but it's just way too frankenstein for me.
At the end of the day after looking through what is there I am happy with the free heavy Bop I got at lvl 40 for my toons - that is the sad part - that the free ship is one of the best.
Actually the OP originally put this in STO discussion section - it was just moved without the move icon by a mod and re-started under Klingon gameplay.
LOL doesn't that constitute flaming on the part of the mod
But seriously there are a number of reasons why the KDF are better at PvP in general:
1.) We do not feel the urge to scream "I'm givin' it all she's got capt'n.." in the heat of arena.
2.) We do not silently mouth "Aye Cap'n" when our team leader calls a focus.
3.) We do not find ourselves humming "row,row... row your boat..." when we enter C&H.
4.) We do not have Wil Wheaton signed posters.
5.) The rainbow holds little lure on Qo'noS.
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What Cryptic should consider before releasing anything.
If they are not complaining about the OP KDF, they are blaiming us for the poor quality of PvP in the FvK ques because some mean old Klingon has mined the spawn point or they whine about any number of percieved afront to thier mighty fandoms.
They only have excuse on why things suck and they themselves are never tallied in the share of blame for actions they themselves are just as guilty of committing.
R.I.P
It's funny and cruel I know.... but feds in capture and hold should never let it get to that situation.
What Cryptic should consider before releasing anything.
Yes, yes we should.
1) Arrogance. They believe the IP exists becuase of them instead they existing becuase of the IP.
2) Arrogance. Problems must exist in the game, the other factions or the very basics of the games code becuase they died or got defeated in a aspect of the game.
3) Arrogance. How can any other species have a ship or vessels of the line that out perform the Feds vessels? It must be cheating or a bug. So thinks the fed player.
R.I.P
True enough. Though my grief is against the concept that its ONLY the KDF that does this in PvP.
As if a fed never mined the spawn point, or camped , or use EWP, VTR or waited in hiding for the Klinks to repsawn so they could be easily dispatched again.
The cheese is bad and I do not condone it personaly, but the bulls t that only the KDF use cheese or act like a-holes is as far from the truth as Gene is from life.
R.I.P
Would you like honours? I can provide a list of reasons that are all arrogance and ignorance related. Most involving failure or willingless to acknowledge/understand some simple and basic game mechanics. For example the original poster is complaining he can't one shot a bird of prey.... Now I'm wondering if he's a fool using antiproton x3 dmg weapons at a ship using evasive maneuvers and reverse shield polarity and is wondering how he can't take down it's shields?
Remember spawn camping is only bad if it's not the feds doing it - They hate it when I mine the KDF spawn in Kerrat as it stops them spawncamping. I believe I've been reported for doing it to (although also got reported for pvp'ing in the same warzone cause apparently Kerrat is a PvE zone....)
What Cryptic should consider before releasing anything.
Roach you know there are such players on both sides. But the truth is, the average fed in the queue is a lot worse than the average KDF player. Feds are undisciplined and quit/do not enter matches and then it ends like 3v5/4v5 and such. Hence I think Klingons are more guilty of that. When I fly my BoP I simply go AFK in such matches to even the odds.
As someone who plays FvK queues almost exclusively, I can tell you, majority of matches end horribly for the feds and even then, spawn camping only punishes those who actually wanted to play. This in the end draws them away from the qeueues and then you have people in OPVP channel ask fed to actually queue so some match happens.
Poor sportmanship won't draw more players to PvP. Insulting and belitteling them won't as well.
R.I.P
R.I.P
Oh boy,one of these threads.....a Fed rolling around on the floor having a temper tantrum like a 3 year old,because he can't kill the big bad Klingon with his overpriced toy.
It will never end,will it....
1. Fed goes up against Klingons and gets his behind handed to him.
2. Fed cries it's unfair that the KDF has 'X'.
3. Fed goes on the forums and whines and cries that Klingons are OP because of 'X'.
4. Feds demand 'X'.
5. Cryptic sees money in providing Feds with 'X'.
6. Fed 'X' hits the C-store,sales are through the roof.
7. Fed goes up against Klingons with their new 'X'....and get beaten into a bloody pulp.
8. Fed cries it's unfair that Klingons used 'Z' to counter the Feds new 'X'
9. Fed goes on the forums and whines and cries that Klingons are OP because of 'Z'.
10. Feds demand 'Z'.
11. Cryptic sees money in providing Feds with 'Z'.
12. Fed 'Z' hits the C-store,sales are through the roof.
13. Fed goes up against Klingons with their new 'Z'....and get beaten into a bloody pulp.
14. Fed cries it's unfair that Klingons used 'A' to counter the Feds new 'Z'.
.....rinse and repeat....
Did it ever occur to you that maybe,just maybe it's not the ship but the captain that makes the ship 'OP'?I think the problem is that you mistook the game's imbalance at lower levels as personal skill.
Take back your home,end the grind!
Volunteer moderators policing the forums is like a mall cop trying to solve a murder.
Did you take some of that Bateret Incense? In PvE it certainly does matter what your boff and doff setup is. Maybe not as much as PvP but you can't be strolling around with some mumbo jumbo setup.
I giggled and QFT!
Its no coincidence that the feds reactions and the Cryptic marketing strategy are the same......
R.I.P
When you leave the Fedball, you:
A Fed team that bands together will wreck most of the KDF's exclusive advantages right off the bat. That's how powerful playing as a team is.
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No it really really doesn't matter, you can take any combination of Boffs and make it work to get kills in PvE and that has always been the case with this game. Make no mistake that the boff combinations will mostly suck, but you'll still get the kills and get the job done.
That's why PvP players have such low opinions of PvE players, and why older KDF players in particular have low opinions of Fed players, because old school KDF players leveled up through only PvP and the PvE content in the game just seemed pathetic once you get adjusted to PvP gameplay and why KDF players just laugh when threads like this come up.
No the KDF ships are not overpowered, in fact the fed ships are typically more durable when compared on a per class basis.
Like I said, this is not the first of these threads, and it won't be the last until the PvE content that most Feds level up with gets tougher, and no 'Elite' difficulty is not tougher.
Support a KDF equivalent to the Vesta Here
Actually the OP originally put this in STO discussion section - it was just moved without the move icon by a mod and re-started under Klingon gameplay.
Only his message.
R.I.P
PARIS:aye captain*clicks two buttons*
COMPUTER:♪ a mountain targ is as free as a mountain bird ♪
PARIS: sorry wrong buttons
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Every time you post and continue to keep a prior "joke" post or any post of mine in your sig I will post the positive comments I make about the KDF just to show you how much BS your thing is:
fact is due to the fact that leveling up to 50 in this game is so incredibly effortless that by the time folks get to lvl 50 they have not had any chance to actually learn the game and fit there ships correctly, this game still has a HUGE ways to go for NPE.
Ok, have fun with that.
So My thing is BS? what thing would that be? My dislike of fed "KDF are OP" threads or the fact I prefer to keep it a "fed thing" and not make it personal to the OP?
R.I.P
and another
R.I.P
As long as you keep my posts as part of you sig - you are directly targeting me.
LOL doesn't that constitute flaming on the part of the mod
But seriously there are a number of reasons why the KDF are better at PvP in general:
1.) We do not feel the urge to scream "I'm givin' it all she's got capt'n.." in the heat of arena.
2.) We do not silently mouth "Aye Cap'n" when our team leader calls a focus.
3.) We do not find ourselves humming "row,row... row your boat..." when we enter C&H.
4.) We do not have Wil Wheaton signed posters.
5.) The rainbow holds little lure on Qo'noS.
What OP KDF ship should it be?
Can't be a BoP - have 3 of those
Can't be a Raptor - have one
Can't Be the Vo'que - just got that on the 5th one
Thinking the Neg'var?