Although the vesta is ugly (looks like a bulimic barracuda), I am happy for Fed sci players who finally get a proper tier 6 ship with all the bells and whistles. I, personally, will not buy it. However, I will purchase a KDF equivalent or whatever new cruisers and sci ships are released for the klings.
Errr.....isn't that what the Bortasqu' 3 Pack is? Derp?
No.
That was the answer to the Odessey. So no derp.
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No.
That was the answer to the Odessey. So derp indeed.
exaxctly, derp
im on about a dedicated KDF science vessel three pack to answer the vesta , lets face it , that would go a good way to filling out the roster of needed KDF ships , since science is an area they really seem to lack in
Everyone should - heck if you are KDF only - re-roll a Fed and get a Vesta to!
I already have Feds that I don't really play beyond selling Doffs to other Feds to fund my KDF Starbases. So I'm not gonna waste my money on something I don't/won't use.
So will you get a Vesta?
No
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They should really remove the hangar. Even without the hanger it's the most powerful ship in the game. With the hangar it is completely and utterly overpowered. The turn on it seems way too high as well. Everything about this ship screams "we don't care about balance, just your money!"
They should really remove the hangar. Even without the hanger it's the most powerful ship in the game. With the hangar it is completely and utterly overpowered. The turn on it seems way too high as well. Everything about this ship screams "we don't care about balance, just your money!"
Basically, yes. PVP is going to get epic vesta spammed until the Klingons rage so hard that Cryptic has no choice but to nerf it.
yeah , it could really do with toning down a tad , bit annoyed that tribble testing for this is only for a select group , hopefully after some extensive testing , things may get tweaked
Basically, yes. PVP is going to get epic vesta spammed until the Klingons rage so hard that Cryptic has no choice but to nerf it.
90% of Vesta's sold will never see PvP - so why should they nerf a ship that would TRIBBLE off 90% of it's customers? That does not make much business sense.
They should really remove the hangar. Even without the hanger it's the most powerful ship in the game. With the hangar it is completely and utterly overpowered. The turn on it seems way too high as well. Everything about this ship screams "we don't care about balance, just your money!"
Kinda sorta not really.
It's out of balance compared to Tier 5 C-Store ships, But the 10th console slot that showed up with S6 Fleet ships, added to Lockbox ships, introduced the "Tier 6" ship line. So really, the Vesta is the first Tier 6 ship line in the C-Store.
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so why should they nerf a ship that would TRIBBLE off 90% of it's customers? That does not make much business sense.
You actually answered your own question there.
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Kinda sorta not really.
It's out of balance compared to Tier 5 C-Store ships, But the 10th console slot that showed up with S6 Fleet ships, added to Lockbox ships, introduced the "Tier 6" ship line. So really, the Vesta is the first Tier 6 ship line in the C-Store.
wouldnt it be the third ? after the odyssey and bortas'qu ?
wouldnt it be the third ? after the odyssey and bortas'qu ?
Yes, sorry. Third one it is.
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just have to hope and pray the fourth is for the KDF now
They have pretty much said the next c-store ship will be the Ambassador or the Andorian Broadsider. They have said no c-store KDF until at least 2013 - some-time - in a galaxy far far away it seems.
They have pretty much said the next c-store ship will be the Ambassador or the Andorian Broadsider. .
Could you show the links to those statements?
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I think "pretty much said" means strongly implied but not officially stated. Don't quote me on that, though. :P Hold on a minute. I'm typing that phrase into the universal translator to see if it can be deciphered. Be back in 5 minutes.
Hmm, powerful, but I'm not sure where all the screams of overpowered are from. Looks like an Armitage with one less weapon, less turn, less hull, less tac boffs, and in exchange gets better shields and sensors and more science and an extra console (till the Fleet Armitage shows up). Last I checked, science boff powers weren't exactly game-breakers. Alternately its a Fleet RSV with DHCs and a hangar, and less hull and shields. Has some fancy consoles but for $50 it better have something. Clearly its a good ship but I don't know if some of the screaming is quite justified.
Could you point to a link that says there is another kdf coming, ever?
Yea KDF Seems to be the red headed stepchild of the STO universe. Course anyone praying for a fully realized Romulan playable class with ships would probably argue with that. LOL
I'm guessing they still need to put the most resources into new stuff with the class that 1. Gets seen first 2. Has the most players, and 3. STILL has obvious stupid bugs that SEEM easily fixable. <I.E. The non firing rear mounted destructible torpedo/mine weapons, although to be fair that's pretty much present in both classes, but it's far worse on KDF side, which is no surprise to me from a programing resources standpoint.>
It would be nice if things evolve equally between the Fed and KDF, but as everyone starts the game on the Fed side and alot of people never even play the KDF side, I think any race/class is always going to end up taking a back seat to development of the Fed side unless this game suddenly makes a jump in revenue generation.
Not saying I agree this is the way it should be, just pointing out what it looks like from someone who's played Fed and KDF the second KDF became available to me.
Hmm, powerful, but I'm not sure where all the screams of overpowered are from. Looks like an Armitage with one less weapon, less turn, less hull, less tac boffs, and in exchange gets better shields and sensors and more science and an extra console (till the Fleet Armitage shows up). Last I checked, science boff powers weren't exactly game-breakers. Alternately its a Fleet RSV with DHCs and a hangar, and less hull and shields. Has some fancy consoles but for $50 it better have something. Clearly its a good ship but I don't know if some of the screaming is quite justified.
Agreed. I initially thought that the Escort Carrier was going to be OP, but the parses I've seen on Reddit indicate that the pets actually add very little damage.
I think Sensor Analysis is roughly equivalent to a Tactical console, but the lack of a Commander Tac and 4th forward weapon slot means I will be sticking with my bugship. :P
Disclaimer: I'm only coming from a PvE perspective, there are probably many more considerations for PvP balance.
Hmm, powerful, but I'm not sure where all the screams of overpowered are from. Looks like an Armitage with one less weapon, less turn, less hull, less tac boffs, and in exchange gets better shields and sensors and more science and an extra console (till the Fleet Armitage shows up). Last I checked, science boff powers weren't exactly game-breakers. Alternately its a Fleet RSV with DHCs and a hangar, and less hull and shields. Has some fancy consoles but for $50 it better have something. Clearly its a good ship but I don't know if some of the screaming is quite justified.
I think I came to much the same conclusion as you, but with one caveat: I don't think the Vesta is particularly OP compared to other ships in the same tier (T5/T5+). Where I am slightly concerned is that the Vesta may be OP compared to science ships in the same tier- The Orb Weaver and Wells, specifically.
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Errr.....isn't that what the Bortasqu' 3 Pack is? Derp?
No.
That was the answer to the Odessey. So no derp.
Registered: Oct/2009 , LTS : Feb/2011
Fleets: Warriors of the Phoenix, Kirian Industries[/SIGPIC]
Three years and still no Captain Klaa hair...
exaxctly, derp
im on about a dedicated KDF science vessel three pack to answer the vesta , lets face it , that would go a good way to filling out the roster of needed KDF ships , since science is an area they really seem to lack in
Rear Admiral , Engineering Division
U.S.S. Sheffield N.C.C. 92016
The Vesta gets 4 Tactical Console slots, Dual Cannon ability, a Phaser Lance, and Perfect Shields?
No
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Three years and still no Captain Klaa hair...
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@DevolvedOne
Also that turnrate plus heavy cannons that have one of them not pulling from your weapon power? Yea thats gonna hit like a truck every time.
Please make an adjustment to at least Wells class hull of 30k!!
This ship is over 500 meters long for crying out loud!
It's no secret that I have been cheerleading her on the Forums for some time.
I just hope she is not being made squishy on the Hull side intentionally.
Basically, yes. PVP is going to get epic vesta spammed until the Klingons rage so hard that Cryptic has no choice but to nerf it.
Rear Admiral , Engineering Division
U.S.S. Sheffield N.C.C. 92016
90% of Vesta's sold will never see PvP - so why should they nerf a ship that would TRIBBLE off 90% of it's customers? That does not make much business sense.
Kinda sorta not really.
It's out of balance compared to Tier 5 C-Store ships, But the 10th console slot that showed up with S6 Fleet ships, added to Lockbox ships, introduced the "Tier 6" ship line. So really, the Vesta is the first Tier 6 ship line in the C-Store.
Registered: Oct/2009 , LTS : Feb/2011
Fleets: Warriors of the Phoenix, Kirian Industries[/SIGPIC]
Three years and still no Captain Klaa hair...
You actually answered your own question there.
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Three years and still no Captain Klaa hair...
wouldnt it be the third ? after the odyssey and bortas'qu ?
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U.S.S. Sheffield N.C.C. 92016
Yes, sorry. Third one it is.
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Three years and still no Captain Klaa hair...
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They have pretty much said the next c-store ship will be the Ambassador or the Andorian Broadsider. They have said no c-store KDF until at least 2013 - some-time - in a galaxy far far away it seems.
as for the andorian ship , ill believe it when i see it
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U.S.S. Sheffield N.C.C. 92016
Could you show the links to those statements?
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Three years and still no Captain Klaa hair...
I think "pretty much said" means strongly implied but not officially stated. Don't quote me on that, though. :P Hold on a minute. I'm typing that phrase into the universal translator to see if it can be deciphered. Be back in 5 minutes.
Could you point to a link that says there is another kdf coming, ever?
and what i hate even more is it has more than one variant
Give me a new ody variant for gods sake
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Yea KDF Seems to be the red headed stepchild of the STO universe. Course anyone praying for a fully realized Romulan playable class with ships would probably argue with that. LOL
I'm guessing they still need to put the most resources into new stuff with the class that 1. Gets seen first 2. Has the most players, and 3. STILL has obvious stupid bugs that SEEM easily fixable. <I.E. The non firing rear mounted destructible torpedo/mine weapons, although to be fair that's pretty much present in both classes, but it's far worse on KDF side, which is no surprise to me from a programing resources standpoint.>
It would be nice if things evolve equally between the Fed and KDF, but as everyone starts the game on the Fed side and alot of people never even play the KDF side, I think any race/class is always going to end up taking a back seat to development of the Fed side unless this game suddenly makes a jump in revenue generation.
Not saying I agree this is the way it should be, just pointing out what it looks like from someone who's played Fed and KDF the second KDF became available to me.
Agreed. I initially thought that the Escort Carrier was going to be OP, but the parses I've seen on Reddit indicate that the pets actually add very little damage.
I think Sensor Analysis is roughly equivalent to a Tactical console, but the lack of a Commander Tac and 4th forward weapon slot means I will be sticking with my bugship. :P
Disclaimer: I'm only coming from a PvE perspective, there are probably many more considerations for PvP balance.
I think I came to much the same conclusion as you, but with one caveat: I don't think the Vesta is particularly OP compared to other ships in the same tier (T5/T5+). Where I am slightly concerned is that the Vesta may be OP compared to science ships in the same tier- The Orb Weaver and Wells, specifically.
Even so, I'm not sure that it's definitely OP.