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blakes7tvseries
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Is the new Reputation really just a ?Feel Good? system, that will misrepresent a players real accomplishments..
From what I understand you can do Space or Ground missions and use the Omega or Romulan marks to purchase equipment.
What this means is a space or ground only players can purchase a MKII Ground or Space set without ever doing a single ground or space mission.
From what I can tell ?Elite Marks? will be given out and are needed to purchase MKII Gear.
There really should be two kinds of Elite Marks GROUND and SPACE.
WHY
1. This will represent a players true reputation and not promote a lie.
2. Cryptic is introducing more of a grind type system would this not increase a players time if you had to do both.
Lets be more like Star Trek rather than just feeling good about lies.
Taking a quote from vestereng
The complaint here is only that the system is called reputation and the implication of that is respect for accomplishments.
Since you never accomplished anything on the ground or space you shouldn't get the respect or the reputation for something you virtually are incapable of or havent done.
Ok this was thread high jacked so let me make my point more directly its about the truth and not making you feel good.
This thread was not about drops or restrictions
It had two points
1. The truth / your reputation should refect your actions so its honest.
2. Fact a Elite Mark(s) will be given out for every succesfull Elite STF you finish.
These Elite Marks should have two flavors Space and Ground.
So you have to run X amount space or ground missions to buy space or ground gear.
All Im saying
1. You should have to do ground missions to buy ground gear.
2. You should have to do space missions to buy space gear.
What I see happening is people playing Infected Space X amount of times and the buying both Space and Ground Gear.
These same people will show off and brag about their Space or Ground gear.
This will not in anyway refect the truth about their reputation.
So is the Reputation a "feel good get all my gear system" that doesnt refect the truth.
Should a reputation system reflect a players actions and the truth.
Either way you can still get both Ground and Space.
All Im saying is the reputation should make you do both or its a LIE!!
From what I understand you can do Space or Ground missions and use the Omega or Romulan marks to purchase equipment.
What this means is a space or ground only players can purchase a MKII Ground or Space set without ever doing a single ground or space mission.
From what I can tell ?Elite Marks? will be given out and are needed to purchase MKII Gear.
There really should be two kinds of Elite Marks GROUND and SPACE.
WHY
1. This will represent a players true reputation and not promote a lie.
2. Cryptic is introducing more of a grind type system would this not increase a players time if you had to do both.
Lets be more like Star Trek rather than just feeling good about lies.
Taking a quote from vestereng
The complaint here is only that the system is called reputation and the implication of that is respect for accomplishments.
Since you never accomplished anything on the ground or space you shouldn't get the respect or the reputation for something you virtually are incapable of or havent done.
Ok this was thread high jacked so let me make my point more directly its about the truth and not making you feel good.
This thread was not about drops or restrictions
It had two points
1. The truth / your reputation should refect your actions so its honest.
2. Fact a Elite Mark(s) will be given out for every succesfull Elite STF you finish.
These Elite Marks should have two flavors Space and Ground.
So you have to run X amount space or ground missions to buy space or ground gear.
All Im saying
1. You should have to do ground missions to buy ground gear.
2. You should have to do space missions to buy space gear.
What I see happening is people playing Infected Space X amount of times and the buying both Space and Ground Gear.
These same people will show off and brag about their Space or Ground gear.
This will not in anyway refect the truth about their reputation.
So is the Reputation a "feel good get all my gear system" that doesnt refect the truth.
Should a reputation system reflect a players actions and the truth.
Either way you can still get both Ground and Space.
All Im saying is the reputation should make you do both or its a LIE!!
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Even Worse: Cryptic has made up their minds... Usually nothing / very little gets changed once things hit tribble.
I'm not sure if you're advocating for separate elite ground and elite marks or against it. First of all, I'm pretty sure the supposedly broken system you describe is the one we have now. It isn't perfect, but it's not bad. It means that players who don't particularly like ground missions can still obtain ground items because the EDC's earned in space STF's count towards purchasing either one. Second of all, if you had separate ground and space marks, it would make them game extremely grindy. So I definitely do not agree with that. We want consolidation of currencies, not more of them. Third all, please use spell check before submitting your post on here.
This is a travesty! A travesty I say!
This is also a lie! It's exactly what players have been asking to replace the prototype roulette ridiculousness in dozens of threads for nearly a year! It's exactly what was promised last season! It's exactly how lower Mk levels work already! All lies!
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Personally, I don't really care. The ground gear cost dil so I'm just grinding through the tier and not buying them. Saving only for space sets.
So there you have it, an inbuilt system which gives players choice, and still offer constraints to buying a set we have no use for!
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The is about the truth not about making it easy, so you can feel good.
or for those who oinl want to run ground when they are equipped they can wait, buy their mk XII ground sets and actually run them with good stuff.
ill take the new system. its not perfect by any means but i could not care less how other people earn there gear. they can choose any way they wish.
it should, if im right and understanding it correctly, still be massively easier to get it via playing ground elites than doing the long grind. but i dont spend my time worrying about how others got theirs.
As in you get symbolically credited for beating maps you never did and maybe even can't.
Way I see it I carry people on the ground 9/10 anyway and I've been in elite ground's where we had rooks playing for the first time dual pistols and all and getting elite gear.
SO, just because you are wearing the armor doesn't mean you can play and that won't be the case after season 7 either so what else is new.
But I agree reputation is a bad name for the connotations of it.
However what would you call it? What system from the real world assembles this ? You pay to get to work, then you give everything away you earn ONLY for the permission to buy something ?
I don't know, china under Mao maybe or ussr.. "the camaraderie system" ?
It also means the low dps cruiser I like playing won't have to run CSE with the leet "look at my critz" commanders.:D Don't get me wrong, I love CSE in my escort .:P
And as for ground sets, people would buy them for the costume unlock alone.
To be fair to the OP, it won't be easier via ground than space. Unless the prototype drops remain as a shortcut past the project grind (possibly know later this week as the relevant dev blogs drop, but talk so far has strongly implied it won't), the mark and dilithium reward from a ground STF is the same as a space STF.
For a good team running nothing but premades, it'll be pretty even either way. For an average player in PUG hell, it'll be much faster by space, regardless of what gear you're working towards.
Also, just to address one of the OP's complaints: How is this method any less "Star Trek" than the old one? If we wanted to make it more Trek, everybody would be issued the mk X set for free at the start of season 7, and to upgrade it they would have to loose an STF, take a commercial break, and then go back to win with your upgraded set.
Which you would immediately lose, never to regain again, no matter how useful it would be or how many times you get your butt kicked for lack of that mk XII set you had for half of one episode.
And every ship would have a shuttle that was combat ready including the first enterprises
But as I said people un-deserving of the sets are wearing them already so what else is new.
Just wear you 300 completed ground mission accolade with pride I guess oh wait there isn't one
I hate ground. People play it like space. Nobody heals allies or tanks. Ima tac captain that has dropped next to a sci and eng cap. Why did i have hate why didi not get healed while i was spamming hypos. I spent 120 edc's on a mark 11 maco set. I have both the mark 12 omega and maco space set.
Should i never do space again? Should i not be rewarded for defeating the borg in space?
The current system is busted. My brother did cure space ground elite 41 times. No mark 12 drop.
for example, i have run dozens of IGEs and have never received the PSG. also, on cure ground i have run it dozens of times and only got 1 level 12 piece.
now in space it is totally different. i exchange proto borg tech for dilithium. i get proto borg tech all the time in space.
so on the ground no level 12 maco or omega sets, but more maco/omega than i need in space. maybe now i can get balanced.
I got all my gear by elite drops and I started in elite ground ops. I got a MK XII gun but have yet to get any other MK XII drops despite constant ground elite grinds. There is a point where this gets old and frustrating. It is now at the point where I would just like to buy the damn things and get it done so I can go back to...playing the game for FUN!
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Yep, it does make perfect sense you'd like some ground sets you'd otherwise never get.
Exclusively based on your comments of how to play ground I can honestly say you are a rook.
Mainly it's how you blame others when you are the in-experienced.
As a sidenote remark to that, "tanks" in any game in history are supposed to heal themselves.
So I think you have a lot to learn.
BUT, it's fine you don't want to and I think it's great you people ("what do you mean you people") can buy items for maps you aren't able to beat.
The complaint here is only that the system is called reputation and the implication of that is respect for accomplishments.
Since you never accomplished anything on the ground you shouldn't get the respect or the reputation for something you virtually are incapable of.
A little like buying 1000 day veteran rewards for cash in oppose to actually playing 1000 days - albeit that's a different kind of challenge.
But as I said before that's how it already is on the ground, I carry "unworthy" people everytime I play and I help them all I can gladly.
I would carry you through ground in 5 min if you wanted, I have sto up on my other pc...
Just strictly speaking "reputation" should not credit you for something you are not or cannot.
It's fine though, especially if people bought the game way I see it they bought every pixel and sound effect and animation, they own and of course they should have everything.
Not a huge issue really, I wouldn't trust my reputation to anyone but myself anyway I don't lean on others' perception of me, either I own at ground or I don't nothing will change that.
All I know is my wallet is closed and my gear will only be funded by cryptic, so its win win for me
Who cares whether someone who hates ground and only does space can still buy a ground set....
I don't remember anyone complaining about salvage that could be used for both, but suddenly its all "Oh Noes!!!".
The old system was flawed, but allot of people worked hard to unlock their space and ground sets. Now those rewards seem marginalized.
The best rewards in the game should be a challenge to obtain and require you to work specific missions.
To those that claim they don't run specific missions because they are "broken" or "to hard", the sad truth is that you either surround yourself with bad teammates or are just a bad player yourself, but with this new system I guess everyone can feel "elite".
Perspective. Some people have it, and others play video games to look cool. :rolleyes:
The new system, whatever they want to call it, is much improved over the old. No one will now have to run 100's of elite STFs (ground or space) and feel ripped off when they do not get a super-rare propotype drop for a single piece of mk XII maco or omega gear.
That is a huge improvement over the current system. Sorry it doesn't stroke the ego of those of you who are into lording your "accomplishments" over the newbs, but for everyone else, its a big improvement.
Total, absolute, and unequivocal agreement with boglejam. I honestly lost count of the Space STF's I ran with my Nausicaan Tac (somewhere around 73) and NEVER saw ONE Prototype drop. And don't get me started on the Ground ones.
Those of you who are harping about the "sense of accomplishment" are forgetting that many have probably played more STF's than you and I both put together, and, through sheer bad luck, don't have any fancy gear AT ALL.
This gives everyone a fair chance. So what if some people like Space better than Ground? So what if "N00BZ" can get the same gear? It also means that those of us who get shafted by the Random Drops now get a fair shot at this stuff, too.
To say nothing of the fact that opposers just wanting to flaunt themselves over the new guys is just ridiculous.
And finally, for those who refuse to see my reasoning, remember that there's apparently an "exclusive" costume unlock for those who manage to get all the Elite STF Optionals done. So there. You get something that is still available only through hard work (albeit much more reasonable hard work), and everyone else still gets a fair shot at the shinies.
I am in agreement with both of these guys...
Close to 800 Elites spread on 3 toons and not one complete Mk12 ground or space set....
You know how much u care about this?
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That much.
Seriously though, it's beyond trivial
Comments like the above just make me go
I also will never understand why other people care what other players get gear wise; (as long as it wasn't via some major game exploit.)
Yep, I guess I'll never understand the 'e-peen' mentality. (Hell, given the amount of players who wish STO were more a 25th century Star Trek simulator then a game per se - where are the people claiming Star Fleet Command should be giving you the best gear prior to going on dangerous missions, as, hell, you are trying to save the Federation and the Galaxy,)
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I know, I do not quite get it either.
Generally, the symptoms are falsely believing you have "earned" something thru skill that is actually earned thru repitition and being lucky on prototype drops. The final stages of the syndrome involve putting on the "earned" items and hanging out in a social zone, believing that it causes other players to look up to you as some sort of uber-gamer.
Treatments are available, but are often shunned because of the percieved loss of prestige related to the "earned" items being obtainable thru other methods.
Or, the short version: lack or perspective is a TRIBBLE.
It had two points
1. The truth / your reputation should refect your actions so its honest.
2. Fact a Elite Mark(s) will be given out for every succesfull Elite STF you finish.
These Elite Marks should have two flavors Space and Ground.
So you have to run X amount space or ground missions to buy space or ground gear.
All Im saying
1. You should have to do ground missions to buy ground gear.
2. You should have to do space missions to buy space gear.
What I see happening is people playing Infected Space X amount of times and the buying both Space and Ground Gear.
These same people will show off and brag about their Space or Ground gear.
This will not in anyway refect the truth about their reputation.
So is the Reputation a "feel good get all my gear system" that doesnt refect the truth.
Should a reputation system reflect a players actions and the truth.
Either way you can still get both Ground and Space.
All Im saying is the reputation should make you do both or its a LIE!!
what is the quickest STF?
We all know it's ISE, followed by CSE and KASE. All space missions... the truth is people will simply not bother with ground, well except us few who enjoy them. Most people try to avoid ground anyway they can as it is already.
I think what we will see is no one really doing grounds anymore.
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Thing is - the new system DOES reflect your 'reputation; but not with other players; rather with the in game organizations involved ("Omega Force" and the remains of the 'Romulan Empire'). And while I'm NOT an avid MMO RPer; I do have to ask:
Given that they're willing to give you gear as a 'reward' to your service in their causes; what RP reason would you give for them refusing to give you a piece of ground armor, or a ground weapon if you asked for it after saving an Omega Force Starbase, or a large group of Romulan vessels held hostage by a group of Tholian ships. IE what 'truth' is being violated. In effect, you did them a service, and they gave you a reward you wanted.
(BTW - you do realize story missions that take place in spavce will sometimes reward ground gear as well -- for the sake of 'truth', should all rewards game wide be 're-aligned to this paradigm your promoting?)
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