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orondis
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After my 5th pug match of having my team or the opposing team wiped out by tric users I've rather had enough.
They have become the number one defacto way of killing. It's getting to the point where half the players in a match are using them. Doesn't matter what career the captain is, they're always deadly. It's relly starting to get peoples backs up or in some cases just put them off pvp all together.
It's seriously beginning to ruin the game.
I'm not just talking PvP here, I'm talk PvE as well. They've made everything from Borg elite tactical cubes to the gates, shield or unshielded, total walkovers. I remember someone bragging in my team how his tric mines are taking out whole borg cubes without having fired anything else.
They are a no-skill-required method of playing the game.
They have become the number one defacto way of killing. It's getting to the point where half the players in a match are using them. Doesn't matter what career the captain is, they're always deadly. It's relly starting to get peoples backs up or in some cases just put them off pvp all together.
It's seriously beginning to ruin the game.
I'm not just talking PvP here, I'm talk PvE as well. They've made everything from Borg elite tactical cubes to the gates, shield or unshielded, total walkovers. I remember someone bragging in my team how his tric mines are taking out whole borg cubes without having fired anything else.
They are a no-skill-required method of playing the game.
Previously Alendiak
Daizen - Lvl 60 Tactical - Eclipse
Selia - Lvl 60 Tactical - Eclipse
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@f4tamy | Sad Pandas
Because the mine moves to the target
Take away the mines movement and it would be fine
But a moving mine is really a slow torpedo
And should be limited to torpedo damage rates
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
i bolded the real problem. see how easy it was to fix this for ya?
ummm... if they move slower then torps (your own admission) why should they be limited to the same damage as torps? they do a little bit more damage then torps because they move way slower. thats the trade off.
tric's in general are only effective if they hit. maybe you should try not letting them hit ya?
They don't hit me, they hit non moving Borg
Cubes and gates
Some of our fleet members use them, finished infected elite
Today with 9 minutes left on the timer
9 minutes.......
It's interfering with pve
And just one of many broken pvp Features which
Is so broken that it doesn't matter I'n pvp
I want it fixed so it doesn't mess up pve
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
No?
Get AOE
As for pve, any pvp setup is a joke to use in pve. You will always roll pve in a pvp ship.
Very untrue with the exception of the mine setup
A pve players doesn't use skills I'n defensive areas
A pvper has to , thus limiting a pvpers Dps or survivalability
I'n pvp, that's why most who pvp do not pve
If anything your statement is a joke
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
Or maybe if the ai was actually smart enough to actually defend itself... Or maybe balance shields, or maybe do more then just occasionally one shot people, this wouldn't be an issue eh?
Awwww how sad you don't want it to mess up your pve, what about all the **** in pve that messes up our pvp? Or the **** that's about to be added for pve that will TRIBBLE up pvp even more? Can I get that fixed so it doesn't mess up our pvp?
I'd love to see your pve ship out damage a pvp ship in pve. I frankly don't think you know what you're talking about.
How many character skill points did you spend
To get defenses against pvp style attacks ?
How many boff skills did you use to make another
Helpless , slowed ect
I'n pve all of those points and skills can be devoted
To damage or strait up defense
Console slots are not used on things like sub space jump
Difficult concept to grasp but try
Were doing 66000 damage every 30 secs to a gate
Without crits plus damage from overloaded torps and
Energy weapons I've saw a few crits over 110k just
Today I know were noobs and I'm sure your +30 Acc
Weapons do more damage than my x3 damage 40% crit
Weapons right ?
You lower the IQ of the majority of pvpers
If you team up
But you were going to switch weapons out right ?
Then it's no longer a pvp build is it
Anyone can see who doesn't know what there talking
About here
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
Get off the forum.
My Recon, does more damage than that chump.
I think you better learn how to really spec a ship, and quit using boarding parties and or speccing more than the minimum into LOLground.
Couple things about me, I'm science, I'm specd into science, and I'm fairy smart at defeating things in pvp or pve with only a single duel beam bank some chrono toros and a couple tric mine launchers. It takes tactics and skills to be able to pull off kills using a shield strip build and mines that get destroyed when you sneeze on them.
Back to you though-
Woah we're dealing with a badass over here.
We're dealing 66000 every 30 seconds? So that means each of you or all of you together?
HAHAHAHHAAHHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHHAHA -gasps for air- HAHAHAHAHAHA wow...
Thanks for making me laugh so hard. I've seen way more "defense specs pvprs" deal twice that amount in half the time.
I'd really like to see you and a pvpr go into a KA elite and see who drops their gateway first. Each of you would work on your own gate with the 3 other players doing probe control.
Would you accept if a "lowly defense specd pvpr" would challenge you to this?
There are times when I swear you and I have a hive mind, Mai Kai.
Cannon Scatter Volley
Tractor Beam Repulsors
Antimatter Spread
Pet Spam
Scramble Sensors
Mine Spam
Seven ways to counter an ability that, in order to be really effective, requires the sacrifice of an Attack Pattern Omega or a Cannon Rapid Fire 3.
It's an effective technique that requires big sacrifices and entails significant risks unless you make even more sacrifices (like TBR or Science Team to avoid getting popped by your own mines while Scrambled). It requires the enemy to sacrifice some element of their build to have a stopgap counter ready from the outset, or it can get a few early kills before the enemy adapts and comes back with the counter.
If only every technique in this game were like that, we would be in PvP balance heaven.
Shhhhhh our secret! :P
I sure hope you mean you are dropping a tricobalt mine every 30seconds that deals 66k dmg lol
9:34 left on the clock, let's see you do better
However only 2 mine launchers on one ship
His hits were 66k avg per hit 30 seconds between
Firing , he had 5 other weapons firing as well
Quantums with hi yield 3 bla bla
If there was a way to see each others ship
Bo and doff layout I would love the challenge
But there is no way to know you don't change
Your build which you would for pve or there
Wouldn't be so much talk about skilled pvp builds
Would there ?
Doesn't matter now does it
Stfs everyday I see what's what on my days off I
May play all day off and on.
I don't know how much our team did I'n Dps pity there
Isn't a counter that shows you overall damage
But take your pvp team I'n pvp gear and layouts
And let's see how much time is left for you without
Using mines
Is there even 5 of you ?
Give it a try. No need to post the results I already know
You will have what 13 minutes left ?
Lol
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
Oh but you see... Your specd for defense so you'll win. Duh!
I'm sure we can find 5 pvp guys willing to beat you... I mean your time. What do we get when we win?
Maybe we'll get some private time at Drozana?
Edit: And remember, PvE players don't have to optimise their builds through the roof and can get away with using, say, 2 DHCs, a beam array, a quantum torpedo and another beam, quantum, and tricobalt torpedo. Like me. Suck at PvP (except stealth capturing bases in C&H), but don't care. :cool:
Infinite possibilities have implications that could not be completely understood if you turned this entire universe into a giant supercomputer.
Oh my your so good at this game I know I wouldn't
Have a chance
Your just too powerful , I'm sure just your harsh language
Would drop my shields
Grow up.................
You did it I'n 5 minutes so how much time was left
On the clock ?
By the way I've saw you I'n game doing stfs
A Klingon sail barge I believe you were flying
Stole it from jabba the Hutt and put warp engines on it
Have fun I'n your empty pvp que
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
and tric mines, there is no acquitted defense once they hit you, your not supposed to be able to live through a dispersal pattern beta. its not within the skill tree or within the console slots to survive more then 1 good hit. like they others have said, prevention is answer.
Did you just tell him to grow up after insulting him sarcastically then insult his ship of choice?
Talk about the pot calling the kettle black..
Do you have proof of your claimed time? I'm sure the pvp group would be more then happy to film their run.
Dude seriously though, keep this in mind.
Pvprs spec into defense. How to you overcome defense in tho game? With sheer firepower.
Npcs don't have defense in this game, so what happens when those pvprs with sheer firepower encounter a target that has nothing to actively defend itself? They kill it hard and fast.
O and im a pvper PVP builds > PVE builds!
Well doesn't it look like jabbas sail barge ?
No it was not a insult it was a funny.....the
Ship itself looks funny it may not have even been him
But the player name looked the same
Your right pvpers specs into defense
So a pver who doesn't need all that defense
Can spec into offense with the skill points the
Pver had to spend simply to survive
The pvper must also use hi accuracy weapons
That do less damage than a pver who can buy
Hi damage hi crit weapons because he doesn't
Need the extra accuracy
Both have the same skill points to spend
I have no idea what is so hard to grasp here
It's simple logic
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
Why it can't be done by anyone already using mines
We may spec another ship into mines and see
Just how fast we can do it and post it for the dev team
I'm sure with 2 or 3 mine ships it can be done
A lot faster
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
But as MK & Mav say, they can be easily avoided/shot down/repulsed or simply blow up via spam.
Do i wish they were less powerful to make PVE even less laughable? Yes. Do i think they need a slight damage nerf for PVP? Maybe. Do i think people need to use counters? Obviously.
FYI to the guy moaning over a 9min optional time remaining - is that unusual for you?
@Aquitaine985
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A Sad Panda of Industrial calibre.
2010: This is Cryptic PvP. Please hold the line, your call is very important to us...
Seriously, they should stay as they are at least for PvE. Most of the time, you are not lucky to team up with skilled players so you gotta to do something. Desperate time calls for desperate measures
As in PvP, you can always shoot them down..and they are very easy to shoot them down. Why don't you try Kerrat warzone? There's a lot of freedom to move and to select your targets, and you are not bound to do anything there.
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The only advantage I see is that I can attack Donatra from 10km out more accurately. Otherwise when I'm soloing gates (which I often do... rainbow boats are of now help) the lack of a DHC shows when pitted against the DBB.
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