I laughed when you posted this - and thought back to a thread I made at the end of June called "Starbases - The beginning of the End"
Yep you posted that one about the same time I posted my rant. We both pretty much got boo'd at. I read your next post too, 480 dil for elite stfs? 960 for fleet actions? Why are they making dil even HARDER to get but requiring 10x as much of it as before they closed Kerrat's farming? I have 6 toons, I haven't max farmed all 6 since kerrat became useless. If they'd said, "we're going to make this game impossible for anyone NOT paying to actually enjoy it" I wouldn't have 6 toons, I'd have 2-3.
Their method is to basically force people into pumping zen into the dil exchange and driving the prices for zen into the crapper so they can make that much more money. It's seriously pathetic. They might as well not even call this game free to play. I used to tell everyone, STO is one of the only games that is free to play but not pay to win. Well I stand corrected. Season 7 = pay to win.
Basically they're saying, if you want to be free to play.. play 12-16 hours a day and don't have a life. If you HAVE a life, you can afford to pay to play casually.
Please don't forget that you're going to be able to use the guaranteed marks to run projects that will turn them into Dilithium:
Eventually. When we all get all our toons to tier 5 and USE the what? 100-200k dil per toon to max them? The way I understand it, until we're finished with the final tier we can't use the marks for dil? I'm just trying to understand how this is supposed to be beneficial to the average player who doesn't have unlimited disposable income.
The doff costs have gone up to the point of laughability. The dilithium requirements since Kerrat was basically shut down have gone up... actually we didn't even need dilithium for anything besides cp at that time. Dil seems to be more in demand but harder to get than ever. I like the content in sto, I like the mechanics. I don't like how this seems more and more like a test of what your players will put up with before they leave though. Adding new content doesn't have to mean making something with more grind or something that will make more money.
Sometimes new content can just be fun things to do.
This happens when you have a PvE based MMO, farming can be fun a few times, but then is boring, because you dont have challenge on it, and is very hard to put new content every month So the easy fix is self-sustaining content, what is self-sustaining content? a content that doesnt need updates or a new mission every month, players.
Every player out there is unique and challenging in their own way, there's no such PvE content that can equal this. The key to success in a good MMO is a good PVP.
DStahl, I think your designers need to go back to Fun School and stop doing things out of the Hate the Players and Hurt Them textbook.
I don't completely agree - especially the hate part. More like the Make The Players Play Longer textbook.
They are thinking with their wallets and not their heads. They need to re-think their strategy here. Sometimes too much of a nerf and too big of a change is bad for business. I'm sure they are considering how much of the commentary here is typical 'forum hater' or legitimate negative feedback.
I don't completely agree - especially the hate part. More like the Make The Players Play Longer textbook.
They are thinking with their wallets and not their heads. They need to re-think their strategy here. Sometimes too much of a nerf and too big of a change is bad for business. I'm sure they are considering how much of the commentary here is typical 'forum hater' or legitimate negative feedback.
Well, either way, this is not a fun "season" and I don't think I want to play STO with these changes for the worse!
Even once we can convert marks we get a max average of 480 from the normals and 1080 from the elite's. ive the average drop rate of techs before this IS a significant nerf by comparision. Even before we get into the fact that now to get any non-dilithium rewards out of the rep system we need thats a nerf. there';s also no details on the tiomescales there. it's fairly common right now for me to earn 1 or more drops for 1K a day from normals, let alone what i get on elite's. If those 50 marks to 500 dil assignments are on much more than a 30 minue completion timer it's going to represent a huge nerf to income rates on dil from STF.
And as somone else has mentiond the actual costs for gear in Dil terms are humongus. The marks won';t be so bad with elites giving 60. But the dil is going to be a killer as even at 8K a day anyone wanting more than one set is in for a a multi-month grind. Many who will not be capping dil a ay will be in for a half a year or more. And this is PER CHARACTER. For many of us alts and their diffrent playstyles ae a key part of keeping the game fresh. being told we need to do a half a year grind per character is not going to sit well.
Yep you posted that one about the same time I posted my rant. We both pretty much got boo'd at. I read your next post too, 480 dil for elite stfs? 960 for fleet actions? Why are they making dil even HARDER to get but requiring 10x as much of it as before they closed Kerrat's farming? I have 6 toons, I haven't max farmed all 6 since kerrat became useless. If they'd said, "we're going to make this game impossible for anyone NOT paying to actually enjoy it" I wouldn't have 6 toons, I'd have 2-3.
Their method is to basically force people into pumping zen into the dil exchange and driving the prices for zen into the crapper so they can make that much more money. It's seriously pathetic. They might as well not even call this game free to play. I used to tell everyone, STO is one of the only games that is free to play but not pay to win. Well I stand corrected. Season 7 = pay to win.
Basically they're saying, if you want to be free to play.. play 12-16 hours a day and don't have a life. If you HAVE a life, you can afford to pay to play casually.
I have to say that I am very proud of Mr Stahl sitting through the rant going on in the blog thread. I may not agree with all the changes, but it takes a lot of grit to take the full wrath of STO players - I have gotten some of it over my threads.
That said he did agree with me that the 1st/2nd/3rd place reward system should be removed as it will crush any type of team spirit and co-operation in any of the mission. He is listening. If this had been implimented then most missions would collaspse as everyone focases on being #1 to get the most dilth. It would have been a true disaster. The elite players might have thought at first glance its great - but if 90% of missions start failing because no-one is working together any more then the extra dilth rewards are meaningless. kudos to Mr Stahl for listening to that one.
It is really as simple as this. While every player of MMO's may not be ADHD we all act like we do. We do not like to wait and if there is a short cut we will take it. The shortcut to get around the reduction in Dil rewards and the concurrent increase in Dil costs mean simply this. The statistics say there is a high enough percentage of players that will be willing to convert Zen to Dil even at the actual cost of RL currency.
How many economists are out there playing? Explain to us all the "need to Have, want to have and have to have first market".
With the amount of dil drains in this game and as you've said much more incentive to charge for dil, there'd be a shift of zen to dil demand such that dil per zen prices will pummel.
We're already down 2 points since all this S7 stuff started showing up. I can hardly imagine what happens when the patch hits.
1 Turn Over Contraband netting enough dil to buy a 2000 cpoint ship? Scary thought.
"Last Engage! Magical Girl Origami-san" is in print! Now with three times more rainbows.
So, instead of it taking:
less than two week to outfit a ship in full MK XII borg, M.A.C.O. shield and 3/4 Assimilated, getting ~80k spare Dil in the process as well as some spare copies of the remaining M.A.C.O. and Omega parts, some spare weapons, and enough EDC for a MK XI ground set ...
it's now going to cost:
360k dil, which is ~45 days at maximum refined per day, and of which I'd only get ~70k by doing the STFs. Not to mention the other stuff, that'd be another 360k/45 days, at least. Or the Dil required for the "personal reputation" grind.
And ... that's an improvement HOW?
Add to that the ridiculous cost for DOff recruitement and upgrading, the ... phantastic ... new content (hint: sarcasm. One new GROUND STF and a GROUND "adventure" zone ... because, really, GROUND is the highlight this game has to offer ... hint:more sarcasm) ...
Why not just call it Season 7: Quit in Disgust ...because if even a quarter of the TRIBBLE listed in the OP makes it into the live update, that's what it's going to be for me.
... and to think that I actually put aside the money for an LTS in case S7 would not totally suck ...
Well, I'll find a use for it. Maybe Booze and Hookers and Blackjack. Or maybe something else. Hard to come up with a worse idea than spending it on STO, it seems.
The cost of getting [Borg] weapons seems so prohibitive now, I think the intent is to push everyone to get fleet weapons... which conveniently props up the starbase system...
With the amount of dil drains in this game and as you've said much more incentive to charge for dil, there'd be a shift of zen to dil demand such that dil per zen prices will pummel.
We're already down 2 points since all this S7 stuff started showing up. I can hardly imagine what happens when the patch hits.
1 Turn Over Contraband netting enough dil to buy a 2000 cpoint ship? Scary thought.
The exchange has minimum and maximum values. The most you could get for 5k dilithium us 200 ZEN if the market shifted that way.
The cost of getting [Borg] weapons seems so prohibitive now, I think the intent is to push everyone to get fleet weapons... which conveniently props up the starbase system...
'Can't even do that, since they're going to slap the dil-tax on the DOff system - so starbase won't get to tier 3, so no fleet weapons.
This whole patch will eat up more dil than you can earn in months. Pointless.
Not even crafts, since you'd have to save up dil for all the other sinks. And EC prices for crafts will probably skyrocket to where MK XII stuff is now, since nobody will have Dil to spare any more.
-> Any new char will run around in Mk X greens. Yay!
All the different dil-sinks they're coming up with even prevent you from paying the tax on the next one - you have to grind to be allowed to grind to be allowed to grind!
That makes even the worst korean grinder look tame.
If this isn't the worst timed april's fool ever, that's really it for this game.
Well with the news that Cryptic nerfed Dilithium to 480 for Elite, that effectively cuts the majority of our income to a trickle. Just more evidence they don't care about their players and how much they do not care about Star Trek.
The more we hear about Season 7, the more people are leaving.
At this rate, I think Cryptic is going to become the most infamous company in the MMO industry. Making Sony look like angels.
At this rate, I think Cryptic is going to become the most infamous company in the MMO industry. Making Sony look like angels.
QFT.
I don't know why they even bother continuing with Neverwinter development - by the time that's going into beta, their rep will have hit rock-bottom.
Well with the news that Cryptic nerfed Dilithium to 480 for Elite, that effectively cuts the majority of our income to a trickle. Just more evidence they don't care about their players and how much they do not care about Star Trek.
The more we hear about Season 7, the more people are leaving.
At this rate, I think Cryptic is going to become the most infamous company in the MMO industry. Making Sony look like angels.
Just curious, what do people in the gaming industry outside of Cryptic/PWE circles or the podcasts etc... Think of this game in general?
Even though Champion's Online is a Cryptic game, I remember folks on that side of this company stating they didn't want the TRIBBLE thats happening over here to land on their game.
I do not know what came of that situation, but they were like heck no, STO FLU, stay away.
Just curious, what do people in the gaming industry outside of Cryptic/PWE circles or the podcasts etc... Think of this game in general?
Even though Champion's Online is a Cryptic game, I remember folks on that side of this company stating they didn't want the TRIBBLE thats happening over here to land on their game.
I do not know what came of that situation, but they were like heck no, STO FLU, stay away.
Prior to PW buying Cryptic, they were viewed rather fondly due to City of Heroes. And both Champions and STO was regarded rather positively.
But given the recent changes, things are not as they once were.
Well with the news that Cryptic nerfed Dilithium to 480 for Elite, that effectively cuts the majority of our income to a trickle. Just more evidence they don't care about their players and how much they do not care about Star Trek.
The more we hear about Season 7, the more people are leaving.
At this rate, I think Cryptic is going to become the most infamous company in the MMO industry. Making Sony look like angels.
Wow, just wow.... 480 dil??? REALLY??? :eek:
When I thought Cryptic could sink no lower, they strike yet again with a new time low.
How many STF's are we supposed to run to get enough dil to unlock what we want from the STF store??
300?? 500?? 1000??? :eek:
This is a low blow, and I hope they will keep the dil rewards as is on Holodeck right now, otherwise they risk loosing many players, just due to getting burnt out grinding anything that gives dil...
This is getting utterly out of hand... Please reconsider this Cryptic, please, I beg of you....
When I thought Cryptic could sink no lower, they strike yet again with a new time low.
How many STF's are we supposed to run to get enough dil to unlock what we want from the STF store??
300?? 500?? 1000??? :eek:
This is a low blow, and I hope they will keep the dil rewards as is on Holodeck right now, otherwise they risk loosing many players, just due to getting burnt out grinding anything that gives dil...
This is getting utterly out of hand... Please reconsider this Cryptic, please, I beg of you....
yeah I am pretty disgusted with the nerfing of the Dilithium reward, though on the upside I believe they included a Dilithium reward to some of the Fleet Actions.
Someone estimated around 50x in order to get a Mk XII set or piece - Yet at a Dilithium cost. Go figure.
yeah I am pretty disgusted with the nerfing of the Dilithium reward, though on the upside I believe they included a Dilithium reward to some of the Fleet Actions.
Someone estimated around 50x in order to get a Mk XII set or piece - Yet at a Dilithium cost. Go figure.
Indeed.......
They increased Dilithium costs in key areas, and at the same time decreased our income. It's going to hurt bad.....
When I thought Cryptic could sink no lower, they strike yet again with a new time low.
How many STF's are we supposed to run to get enough dil to unlock what we want from the STF store??
300?? 500?? 1000??? :eek:
This is a low blow, and I hope they will keep the dil rewards as is on Holodeck right now, otherwise they risk loosing many players, just due to getting burnt out grinding anything that gives dil...
This is getting utterly out of hand... Please reconsider this Cryptic, please, I beg of you....
Mind you I said that was for Elite STFs, Normal STFs get half that......
From Stahl's post, we have to get to Tier 5 Omega to be able to turn in the stuff for extra dilithium or do Fleet Actions for 960 Dilithum. And First Place in Fleet Actions give 1960 Dilithium.
Of course we know that's always going to Tacticals in Escorts......
Really, this is the most disappointed I have ever been with Cryptic. Words cannot describe.
As much as I am concerned for how this will effect the game economy, I kinda want to see how it turns out. I used to love doing STF's but after the 100th time doing the same mission over and over I got tired of it and began to do foundry missions. If this ends up making a positive impact on the game I'll be a happy man.
Hopefully prices do collapse to that point. Maybe the devs might wake up. If not, at least I can start impulse shopping in the Z-store.
Thats right, prices will collapse and zen became worthless. Which will make people to buy moar zen to get their dilith, which is limited in S7, so pwe will get moar money.
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It seems our Communist...erm...newly-minted Capitalist overlords at PWE never run out of new ways to decrease our daily dilithium income while finding new ways to coax/coerce us into spending it. Almost all of my dilithium across five lvl 50 characters gets poured into my small fleet's starbase projects, and as an avid space elite STF player I'm cringing at the idea of having to pay dilithium to get borg weaponry. Seriously, it seems with each season now they are coming out with loads of awesome content, but then turning the screws on us with dilithium cost.
Can you stop it, please? Before you wear out more of your player base? Because I've seen other Chinese companies build or take over a good product and then TRIBBLE their players over little by little so that the companies make a boatload of money in a few months before the game then collapses. (greed isn't limited to any one country, but I'm sick of crooked business practices in China or anywhere else)
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Former/Cryptic Name: Captain_Hans_Langsdorff
Founding member, Special Service Squadron
"Fear God and Dread Nought." First Sea Lord, Adm. Jacky Fisher
>Woke up
>Thought to play STO a bit before getting to work
>Decided to check the forums first
>Read about reduced STF rewards
>Now want to stop playing STO whatsoever
Well, look on the bright side... Now we'll have more time to do something actually productive AND save some money...
But in all seriousness, I hate the new changes and despite the fact that many people will call this trolling and exaggerating I'll say that I honestly feel discouraged from playing anymore, seeing how despite all the efforts the carrot on a stick is only getting further and further.
Pay2Play all the way it seems. And smaller fleets are going to suffer even more than before due to most of these changes. Typical for Cryptic - introduce something nice and then ruin it by future updates completely so that nobody will even care anymore.
480 dilithium for a ground elite STF... lames joke I've read this month...
Oh, and about that mark => dilithium conversion, how much do you want to bet those will just be just another 1d,16h projects with predetermined (obviously small) amounts of mark to be converted?
And yeah, let the DPS-fest commence, as anything but dpscorts have no chances for the first place at all in any current space fleet action.
Oh, and expect A LOT of AFKers during those...
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Yep you posted that one about the same time I posted my rant. We both pretty much got boo'd at. I read your next post too, 480 dil for elite stfs? 960 for fleet actions? Why are they making dil even HARDER to get but requiring 10x as much of it as before they closed Kerrat's farming? I have 6 toons, I haven't max farmed all 6 since kerrat became useless. If they'd said, "we're going to make this game impossible for anyone NOT paying to actually enjoy it" I wouldn't have 6 toons, I'd have 2-3.
Their method is to basically force people into pumping zen into the dil exchange and driving the prices for zen into the crapper so they can make that much more money. It's seriously pathetic. They might as well not even call this game free to play. I used to tell everyone, STO is one of the only games that is free to play but not pay to win. Well I stand corrected. Season 7 = pay to win.
Basically they're saying, if you want to be free to play.. play 12-16 hours a day and don't have a life. If you HAVE a life, you can afford to pay to play casually.
Eventually. When we all get all our toons to tier 5 and USE the what? 100-200k dil per toon to max them? The way I understand it, until we're finished with the final tier we can't use the marks for dil? I'm just trying to understand how this is supposed to be beneficial to the average player who doesn't have unlimited disposable income.
The doff costs have gone up to the point of laughability. The dilithium requirements since Kerrat was basically shut down have gone up... actually we didn't even need dilithium for anything besides cp at that time. Dil seems to be more in demand but harder to get than ever. I like the content in sto, I like the mechanics. I don't like how this seems more and more like a test of what your players will put up with before they leave though. Adding new content doesn't have to mean making something with more grind or something that will make more money.
Sometimes new content can just be fun things to do.
Every player out there is unique and challenging in their own way, there's no such PvE content that can equal this. The key to success in a good MMO is a good PVP.
Its time to put PvP where it belongs.
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I don't completely agree - especially the hate part. More like the Make The Players Play Longer textbook.
They are thinking with their wallets and not their heads. They need to re-think their strategy here. Sometimes too much of a nerf and too big of a change is bad for business. I'm sure they are considering how much of the commentary here is typical 'forum hater' or legitimate negative feedback.
Well, either way, this is not a fun "season" and I don't think I want to play STO with these changes for the worse!
Even once we can convert marks we get a max average of 480 from the normals and 1080 from the elite's. ive the average drop rate of techs before this IS a significant nerf by comparision. Even before we get into the fact that now to get any non-dilithium rewards out of the rep system we need thats a nerf. there';s also no details on the tiomescales there. it's fairly common right now for me to earn 1 or more drops for 1K a day from normals, let alone what i get on elite's. If those 50 marks to 500 dil assignments are on much more than a 30 minue completion timer it's going to represent a huge nerf to income rates on dil from STF.
And as somone else has mentiond the actual costs for gear in Dil terms are humongus. The marks won';t be so bad with elites giving 60. But the dil is going to be a killer as even at 8K a day anyone wanting more than one set is in for a a multi-month grind. Many who will not be capping dil a ay will be in for a half a year or more. And this is PER CHARACTER. For many of us alts and their diffrent playstyles ae a key part of keeping the game fresh. being told we need to do a half a year grind per character is not going to sit well.
I have to say that I am very proud of Mr Stahl sitting through the rant going on in the blog thread. I may not agree with all the changes, but it takes a lot of grit to take the full wrath of STO players - I have gotten some of it over my threads.
That said he did agree with me that the 1st/2nd/3rd place reward system should be removed as it will crush any type of team spirit and co-operation in any of the mission. He is listening. If this had been implimented then most missions would collaspse as everyone focases on being #1 to get the most dilth. It would have been a true disaster. The elite players might have thought at first glance its great - but if 90% of missions start failing because no-one is working together any more then the extra dilth rewards are meaningless. kudos to Mr Stahl for listening to that one.
How many economists are out there playing? Explain to us all the "need to Have, want to have and have to have first market".
We're already down 2 points since all this S7 stuff started showing up. I can hardly imagine what happens when the patch hits.
1 Turn Over Contraband netting enough dil to buy a 2000 cpoint ship? Scary thought.
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less than two week to outfit a ship in full MK XII borg, M.A.C.O. shield and 3/4 Assimilated, getting ~80k spare Dil in the process as well as some spare copies of the remaining M.A.C.O. and Omega parts, some spare weapons, and enough EDC for a MK XI ground set ...
it's now going to cost:
360k dil, which is ~45 days at maximum refined per day, and of which I'd only get ~70k by doing the STFs. Not to mention the other stuff, that'd be another 360k/45 days, at least. Or the Dil required for the "personal reputation" grind.
And ... that's an improvement HOW?
Add to that the ridiculous cost for DOff recruitement and upgrading, the ... phantastic ... new content (hint: sarcasm. One new GROUND STF and a GROUND "adventure" zone ... because, really, GROUND is the highlight this game has to offer ... hint:more sarcasm) ...
Why not just call it
Season 7: Quit in Disgust
...because if even a quarter of the TRIBBLE listed in the OP makes it into the live update, that's what it's going to be for me.
... and to think that I actually put aside the money for an LTS in case S7 would not totally suck ...
Well, I'll find a use for it. Maybe Booze and Hookers and Blackjack. Or maybe something else. Hard to come up with a worse idea than spending it on STO, it seems.
Tactical Escorts Online.
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The cost of getting [Borg] weapons seems so prohibitive now, I think the intent is to push everyone to get fleet weapons... which conveniently props up the starbase system...
Still, I thin Acc CritH CritD are better mods, and nothing in the in-game stores has them.
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The exchange has minimum and maximum values. The most you could get for 5k dilithium us 200 ZEN if the market shifted that way.
'Can't even do that, since they're going to slap the dil-tax on the DOff system - so starbase won't get to tier 3, so no fleet weapons.
This whole patch will eat up more dil than you can earn in months. Pointless.
Not even crafts, since you'd have to save up dil for all the other sinks. And EC prices for crafts will probably skyrocket to where MK XII stuff is now, since nobody will have Dil to spare any more.
-> Any new char will run around in Mk X greens. Yay!
All the different dil-sinks they're coming up with even prevent you from paying the tax on the next one - you have to grind to be allowed to grind to be allowed to grind!
That makes even the worst korean grinder look tame.
If this isn't the worst timed april's fool ever, that's really it for this game.
The more we hear about Season 7, the more people are leaving.
At this rate, I think Cryptic is going to become the most infamous company in the MMO industry. Making Sony look like angels.
QFT.
I don't know why they even bother continuing with Neverwinter development - by the time that's going into beta, their rep will have hit rock-bottom.
Just curious, what do people in the gaming industry outside of Cryptic/PWE circles or the podcasts etc... Think of this game in general?
Even though Champion's Online is a Cryptic game, I remember folks on that side of this company stating they didn't want the TRIBBLE thats happening over here to land on their game.
I do not know what came of that situation, but they were like heck no, STO FLU, stay away.
Ah now I see why 1 zen = 25 dil always shows up first. 80zen for 2k dil is still pretty damn worth it. That's 320zen a day with just hitting the cap.
Hopefully prices do collapse to that point. Maybe the devs might wake up. If not, at least I can start impulse shopping in the Z-store.
"Last Engage! Magical Girl Origami-san" is in print! Now with three times more rainbows.
Support the "Armored Unicorn" vehicle initiative today!
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Prior to PW buying Cryptic, they were viewed rather fondly due to City of Heroes. And both Champions and STO was regarded rather positively.
But given the recent changes, things are not as they once were.
Just wanted to throw in this link regarding Stahl statement: its fairly recent, dated back in September 26, 2012.
http://www.polygon.com/gaming/2012/9/26/3410292/reviews-dont-do-great-justice-to-mmos-says-star-trek-online-producer
NOTE: The 2010 review of STO by Metacritic rated it a 66/100 - That was before all the major changes and overhauls.
It would be nice to see an update on the ratings. Basically STO receievd mix reviews.
Wow, just wow.... 480 dil??? REALLY??? :eek:
When I thought Cryptic could sink no lower, they strike yet again with a new time low.
How many STF's are we supposed to run to get enough dil to unlock what we want from the STF store??
300?? 500?? 1000??? :eek:
This is a low blow, and I hope they will keep the dil rewards as is on Holodeck right now, otherwise they risk loosing many players, just due to getting burnt out grinding anything that gives dil...
This is getting utterly out of hand... Please reconsider this Cryptic, please, I beg of you....
yeah I am pretty disgusted with the nerfing of the Dilithium reward, though on the upside I believe they included a Dilithium reward to some of the Fleet Actions.
Someone estimated around 50x in order to get a Mk XII set or piece - Yet at a Dilithium cost. Go figure.
Indeed.......
They increased Dilithium costs in key areas, and at the same time decreased our income. It's going to hurt bad.....
Mind you I said that was for Elite STFs, Normal STFs get half that......
From Stahl's post, we have to get to Tier 5 Omega to be able to turn in the stuff for extra dilithium or do Fleet Actions for 960 Dilithum. And First Place in Fleet Actions give 1960 Dilithium.
Of course we know that's always going to Tacticals in Escorts......
Really, this is the most disappointed I have ever been with Cryptic. Words cannot describe.
Thats right, prices will collapse and zen became worthless. Which will make people to buy moar zen to get their dilith, which is limited in S7, so pwe will get moar money.
[Combat (Self)] You lose 6549 (7572) Cold from the torment of the underworld.
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Can you stop it, please? Before you wear out more of your player base? Because I've seen other Chinese companies build or take over a good product and then TRIBBLE their players over little by little so that the companies make a boatload of money in a few months before the game then collapses. (greed isn't limited to any one country, but I'm sick of crooked business practices in China or anywhere else)
Former/Cryptic Name: Captain_Hans_Langsdorff
Founding member, Special Service Squadron
"Fear God and Dread Nought." First Sea Lord, Adm. Jacky Fisher
>Thought to play STO a bit before getting to work
>Decided to check the forums first
>Read about reduced STF rewards
>Now want to stop playing STO whatsoever
Well, look on the bright side... Now we'll have more time to do something actually productive AND save some money...
But in all seriousness, I hate the new changes and despite the fact that many people will call this trolling and exaggerating I'll say that I honestly feel discouraged from playing anymore, seeing how despite all the efforts the carrot on a stick is only getting further and further.
Pay2Play all the way it seems. And smaller fleets are going to suffer even more than before due to most of these changes. Typical for Cryptic - introduce something nice and then ruin it by future updates completely so that nobody will even care anymore.
480 dilithium for a ground elite STF... lames joke I've read this month...
Oh, and about that mark => dilithium conversion, how much do you want to bet those will just be just another 1d,16h projects with predetermined (obviously small) amounts of mark to be converted?
And yeah, let the DPS-fest commence, as anything but dpscorts have no chances for the first place at all in any current space fleet action.
Oh, and expect A LOT of AFKers during those...