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  • neoakiraiineoakiraii Member Posts: 7,468 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    xenor002 wrote: »
    Dude what game are you playing that makes you keep creating this false sense of entitlement-envy that you are starting to shove down on the forums...? :confused:

    I could care less about a stupid title, or some uniform, etc. It's the morality of this issue itself that has people annoyed. Cryptic just told everyone (in a sense) they they are worthless and mean absolutely nothing, and they are supposed to be running a STAR TREK MMO??


    Star Trek is a franchise that makes money for CBS and Paramount.. Gene himself sold Trek, and when the powers that be did not like what it was about like having a women as Number 1 Gene changed it and made another pilot...So the whole it's Star Trek and they must treat it as such would not have worked if Gene did not make some sacrifice to sell his dream.
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  • xenor002xenor002 Member Posts: 424
    edited October 2012
    neoakiraii wrote: »
    Star Trek is a franchise that makes money for CBS and Paramount.. Gene himself sold Trek, and when the powers that be did not like what it was about like having a women as Number 1 Gene changed it and made another pilot...So the whole it's Star Trek and they must treat it as such would not have worked if Gene did not make some sacrifice to sell his dream.

    So what is "Star Trek" to you then if not the hope / belief that the world will one day stop caring about differences and work together to build a better society; eliminating poverty, etc.?

    I kind of pity the world you must be living in.
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  • boglejam73boglejam73 Member Posts: 890 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    xenor002 wrote: »
    I kind of pity the world you must be living in.

    You mean the real world, where companies make decisions based on their financial best interests? Yeah, pity everyone living in THAT world....:rolleyes:

    Save your pity for the people who are so personally wrapped up in a video game that they can't accept the fact that they (we) shelling out $300 at some point in the last 2.5 years doesn't make us a special glitterie snowflake to Cryptic or PWE.
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  • xenor002xenor002 Member Posts: 424
    edited October 2012
    boglejam73 wrote: »
    You mean the real world, where companies make decisions based on their financial best interests? Yeah, pity everyone living in THAT world....:rolleyes:

    Save your pity for the people who are so personally wrapped up in a video game that they can't accept the fact that they (we) shelling out $300 at some point in the last 2.5 years doesn't make us a special glitterie snowflake to Cryptic or PWE.

    Funny...I'm a business management major...yet I haven't learned about TRIBBLE your customers over. Must be another chapter in one of my classes... ;)

    Strange how I thought I lived in the real world too, you know, the one that people do good things in etc. You know, stupid stuff that harms society...oh wait.
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  • bluegeekbluegeek Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    Folks, there's venting... which is probably healthy... and flaming, which is decidedly not.

    I sense things tipping over into hostility toward other forum users and we can't have that.

    Please keep Forum Rules in mind as you respond to this thread. Thanks in advance for your cooperation.
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  • boglejam73boglejam73 Member Posts: 890 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    xenor002 wrote: »
    You know, stupid stuff that harms society...oh wait.

    Yes, wait...before someone tries to make some crazy analogy about how PWE is using a video game to harm society.

    Now you're just kinda making my point for me.

    Its a video game. Sorry you are upset that the vet rewards program has changed (not you personally - I don't know how you feel about it) but to get all worked up because someone who pays today gets shiny pixels that someone who paid 1000 days ago also gets is really pretty silly. Everyone paid.

    Only thing I can still come up with is people and their e-peens. Longer term vets don't have anything they can show off to the noobs with anymore and so the crying starts.
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  • snoge00fsnoge00f Member Posts: 1,812 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    xenor002 wrote: »
    It's the morality of this issue itself that has people annoyed. Cryptic just told everyone (in a sense) they they are worthless and mean absolutely nothing, and they are supposed to be running a STAR TREK MMO??

    There's nothing immoral about creating incentive to purchase a game subscription.

    If they had made all Vet Rewards exclusive to LTS purchasers, then you'd have a point.

    But there's nothing being taken away; everyone can still earn the rewards the old fashion way if they choose.
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  • outllawoutllaw Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    Personally I don't see any issue with what they did. I got the ship 2 weeks early and I've been a lifer since beta. I wasn't a lifer specifically for the "rewards", they have always been a bonus on top of not having to budget for the game monthly.

    As far as the ships go. I am pleasantly satisfied with them. My only tiny minor gripe is if they aren't going to bump them up to a 10 console version they should at least make the DTS console integrated into the ship thereby freeing up that console slot.

    We lifers and Vets didn't lose a single thing by this decision on Cryptic / PWE's end. We've had our benefits, and it's not like they mae it so anyone who is subbed gets the stuff instantly. It's a decent chunk of change for someone to shell out for a F2P game just for one ship and some other minor fluff bonuses.

    I don't understand how people feel "screwed over". We paid upfront years ago to support the game. It's still here, they still rewarded us so I'd say it was an investment well made. Frankly there is no benefit to have been playing the game for all this time, there are no "bragging rights" and the notion of that is very Un-Trek. We know where we stood when we entered our credit card numbers and clicked purchase. We got exactally what we paid for, who cares if people make a new investment this long after. They were going to get the same things we were eventually.

    Besides some of us have things others wont... like my Targs on all my Fed toons, much better than the pink Space Poodles that people got as a consolation prize for losing the lottery!
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  • neoakiraiineoakiraii Member Posts: 7,468 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    xenor002 wrote: »
    So what is "Star Trek" to you then if not the hope / belief that the world will one day stop caring about differences and work together to build a better society; eliminating poverty, etc.?

    I kind of pity the world you must be living in.

    If the Federation is ever created I would embrace it, but we don't have replicators that makes everything we want out of thin air, till then this is the system we have.
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  • xenor002xenor002 Member Posts: 424
    edited October 2012
    boglejam73 wrote: »
    Yes, wait...before someone tries to make some crazy analogy about how PWE is using a video game to harm society.
    Now you're just kinda making my point for me.

    Its a video game. Sorry you are upset that the vet rewards program has changed (not you personally - I don't know how you feel about it) but to get all worked up because someone who pays today gets shiny pixels that someone who paid 1000 days ago also gets is really pretty silly. Everyone paid.

    Only thing I can still come up with is people and their e-peens. Longer term vets don't have anything they can show off to the noobs with anymore and so the crying starts.

    Strange, didn't think my words could be twisted in such a false manner. I'm re-reading what I posted and I'm pretty sure I don't see the line where I said PWE was harming society. :confused:

    And once more nice to see that people think this goes to "look at my shiny!" It's the darn principle of this choice... /facedesk.
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    Something should be done for those who cared enough to have a 1000+ day sub.
  • cuatelacuatela Member Posts: 296 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    I don't really get why you and others are so upset about this. Gold members all earn the same rewards, except lifetime members earn a little more for paying the lump sum. Up until recently, I was a "normal" gold member just like you.


    Over 600 days of my subscription was "normal" subscription. Then, in a rare sequence of events, I managed to be able to afford a LTS (at full price, I might add). Am I expecting to stop playing now that I have my new shiny? No. I might take a break for a while, but I took breaks before when I was a "normal" subscriber.

    Lifetime members got access to the Captain's Table instantly. "normal" subscribers (including me) had to subscribe for 400 days before we could unlock it. Does that make it any less of a reward either way? I dare say no. Because you and I invested our time and a subscription of roughly $15 a month. LTS members invested $200 - $300 all at once, which is the equivalent of 20 months of subscription.


    Time = Money. That's how free to play works. You invest one or the other, sometimes both. With LTS, it's money. With a regular subscription, it's a little of both. And for the free players? Well, the free players don't get any of it, so you're still better off.


    If you want to complain about something, at least pick something worth complaining about... this isn't it.

  • boglejam73boglejam73 Member Posts: 890 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    xenor002 wrote: »
    Strange, didn't think my words could be twisted in such a false manner. I'm re-reading what I posted and I'm pretty sure I don't see the line where I said PWE was harming society. :confused:

    Sorry to confuse you. You did say:
    xenor002 wrote: »
    Strange how I thought I lived in the real world too, you know, the one that people do good things in etc. You know, stupid stuff that harms society...oh wait.

    And since this is a thread about the decisions made by Perfect World where you seem to feel that the decision to change the vet reward program is stupid, seems pretty natural to assume that is who you were talking about.

    You can feel like your words were "twisted in such a false manner" but they are your words - it's your responsibility to convey them in the way that communicates your message.
    xenor002 wrote: »
    And once more nice to see that people think this goes to "look at my shiny!" It's the darn principle of this choice... /facedesk.

    Yes, people do think its all about "look at my shiny!" because it is hard to imagine how anyone could be upset for any other reason.

    You and I got what we paid for. Why does it hurt those that are hurt about this so badly that someone else is getting what they paid for?

    The only difference between us and someone who bought a LTS today is that they get what we got without the wait. So, other than you losing the ability to point at the shiny and say "look what I have that you can't have for X more days!" what else is there to be upset about?

    We all paid. We all get our pretty pixels.
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  • xenor002xenor002 Member Posts: 424
    edited October 2012
    boglejam73 wrote: »
    Sorry to confuse you. You did say:



    And since this is a thread about the decisions made by Perfect World where you seem to feel that the decision to change the vet reward program is stupid, seems pretty natural to assume that is who you were talking about.

    I see where you are coming from now, and my bad on that; yes I think this entire this is more stupid than the things my former suitmates did last year (just don't ask..) I was referring to doing the right thing / good things as in respecting your cutomers in this manner.

    You can feel like your words were "twisted in such a false manner" but they are your words - it's your responsibility to convey them in the way that communicates your message.

    Yes I take responsibility for my lack of memory in multi-posting across the forums, it happens haha.

    Yes, people do think its all about "look at my shiny!" because it is hard to imagine how anyone could be upset for any other reason.

    I don't give a darn about the "shiny" factor...it's the fact that people who are 1000 day players vs LTS have been slapped in the face by this move. I honest to God swear it isn't the darn ships, uniforms and so farth..it's the principle..

    You and I got what we paid for. Why does it hurt those that are hurt about this so badly that someone else is getting what they paid for?

    From where you and I are, it no longer matters, but for all of those fututure LTS vs normal sub players it just feels wrong.

    The only difference between us and someone who bought a LTS today is that they get what we got without the wait. So, other than you losing the ability to point at the shiny and say "look what I have that you can't have for X more days!" what else is there to be upset about?
    Look up 2

    We all paid. We all get our pretty pixels.

    /10char......
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    I EARNED 1000 days...I didn't BUY it! New LTS=Death to Vet.System: 10/10/12 Never Forget
    Something should be done for those who cared enough to have a 1000+ day sub.
  • boglejam73boglejam73 Member Posts: 890 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    xenor002 wrote: »
    /10char......

    OK, I think I understand where you are now.
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  • thedoctorblueboxthedoctorbluebox Member Posts: 749 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    It makes no sense to offer a "1000 day" reward, if you haven't been subbed for 1000 days. Why call it a 1000 day reward? You can just buy it now, so it isn't a 1000 day reward. No longer are there "Veteran" rewards, and no longer are there "TRIBBLE day" rewards, because they can just be bought instead of having to actually wait TRIBBLE amount of days.

    It should be renamed.
  • tieberionetieberione Member Posts: 137 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    Why to everyone complaing?
    Once you purchase a lifetime Sub, 2 years ago, today, or a year from now- as long as the Game keeps going, even if you log in once a year, YOU WILL get the reward.
    So technically, it still is a Vet reward, and is given for days played- actual OR Presumed.
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  • thedoctorblueboxthedoctorbluebox Member Posts: 749 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    tieberione wrote: »
    Why to everyone complaing?
    Once you purchase a lifetime Sub, 2 years ago, today, or a year from now- as long as the Game keeps going, even if you log in once a year, YOU WILL get the reward.
    So technically, it still is a Vet reward, and is given for days played- actual OR Presumed.

    no it's not

    I waited 100 days between each reward, all the way up to 1000

    Now you can just buy it, and get all of the rewards in one lump sum, thanks to a few hundred dollars

    My "Veteran" days are real veteran days, 1000 days of being subbed...

    Someone who buys Veteran status, is not a Veteran of 1000 days being subbed.....

    How can you not see this

    What use to be a time based reward, is now a money reward. The "1000 day" description is meaninglessness. It needs to be renamed.
  • aelfwin1aelfwin1 Member Posts: 2,896 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    boglejam73 wrote: »
    Really, IMHO, the only people upset by this change are the vets who derive some twisted sense of self-importance by posting their exclusive items into ESD chat to impress the noobs.

    I would like to say to you that you are wrong , and so are the number of ppl who can't understand what has upset some of their fellow players (as it's clear that not everybody is reacting to this "sale" in the same manner) .

    But because they don't understand what's wrong , quite a few of them point a finger at those who are upset and fling words like "false entitlement" , "no more special snow flake" and "e-peens" at them .

    So you basically don't understand what's wrong , but you and your fellows believe that belittling those who are making their displeasure heard will ... fix things ?

    I have tried to explain what I felt was wrong .
    Didn't really feel that it was all that well received .
    What I did feel was that ppl were already convinced that then knew what was wrong , so instead of addressing my concerns , they addressed the concerns they thought they were going to hear .

    With Cryptic (once again) betraying it's customers on one hand , and the Forum going fandom turning on itself ... -- all in all , a disappointing day .

    I guess it's better to not have expectations (other than that money solves everything , thus all is fair in it's use) .
  • thedoctorblueboxthedoctorbluebox Member Posts: 749 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    Money money money is all that STO Is about lately, I've finally realized this. It sure has changed a lot from when I first started playing. I am continually disappointed at the stupid decisions Cryptic makes that alienates its player base.

    I will no longer spend my real money in this game, Cryptic will no longer receive any real money from me for zen, or c-store, or other. What little shred of respect was left, is now gone. My STO I knew, is gone. It took me this long to realize it.
  • xenor002xenor002 Member Posts: 424
    edited October 2012
    Money money money is all that STO Is about lately, I've finally realized this. It sure has changed a lot from when I first started playing. I am continually disappointed at the stupid decisions Cryptic makes that alienates its player base.

    I will no longer spend my real money in this game, Cryptic will no longer receive any real money from me for zen, or c-store, or other. What little shred of respect was left, is now gone. My STO I knew, is gone. It took me this long to realize it.

    Indeed the Ferengi have been TRIBBLE STO too long now. :(
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    I EARNED 1000 days...I didn't BUY it! New LTS=Death to Vet.System: 10/10/12 Never Forget
    Something should be done for those who cared enough to have a 1000+ day sub.
  • commanderkassycommanderkassy Member Posts: 1,005 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    Once, a long long time ago, in a galaxy far far away, I recall that there was this game called STO that once offered rewards based on time subscribed, this was called "Veteran" rewards.

    It still does. I'm subscribed forever. That means I get rewards based on that.
    If I recall my history correctly, the company in charge changed the definition of Veteran Rewards, and gave it to people instantly via purchasing the rewards in one lump sum of money, called a Lifetime Subscription.

    The company was being fair, as those people had already paid for far more than 1,000 days. Many of them had been there that long, or nearly that long.
    No longer were the Veteran Rewards time based, they were now a "buy your way to Veteran Rewards" scheme.

    This is wrong. Veteran rewards always have been and always will be based upon the time a person is subscribed. A person who is subscribed forever and invested in the future of the game will get those rewards regardless of whether they are given up front or artificially dolled out over a long and arbitrary period of time. In the end, both had gotten exactly what they paid for. A restructuring of rewards being granted up front for time paid is simply a stream lining of the system. Making people wait for rewards based on time they had already paid for was illogical.
    My question is, did the people in charge of STO ever provide Veteran Rewards again, based on time subscribed back into the game? Or was this reward system forever removed?

    The Veteran reward system changed very little since its original implementation. People continued to receive precisely what they paid for. The system was in fact made more fair for those paying large sums to invest in the future development of the game for their fellow players, who were oddly enough, often bitter about their support. It was almost as though they resented the potential betterment of the game. A very strange time.
    Satire aside,

    Satire is funny.
    When will Cryptic introduce a Veteran Reward system into the game, like there use to be at one time,

    They already have, it's functioning great. They streamlined it, but it has been and always will be based upon how much money someone has spent on the game. If anything, the new LTSers should be envious of the vets. Those people have seen and experienced things that the new guys never will.
    based on time subbed,

    It still is. Lifetimers are subscribed forever. Therefore, they reap the benefits of it. Fail to see the issue. I was already very, very close and have been a lifetime subscriber for a long time. I do not begrudge the "younger" LTSers who are now on even footing with me reward wise.. after all, we all paid the same price (and heck, some of those guys got it on sale, good for them), and expended the same effort (typing in a credit card number), therefore, we deserve equal results.
    and not simply bought in a lump sum and collected all at once.

    The system was simply made more logical. If someone pays for an infinite span of time up front, there is no reason to make them wait to reap the rewards from it. The veteran rewards have always been based upon time/money and still are. A person simply gets exactly what they paid for up front instead of being arbitrarily forced to wait for what they paid for. The system is more fair.

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  • neuraldamageneuraldamage Member Posts: 52 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    Frankly, I'm amused that people seem to be more upset by LTSers getting the 1000-day reward immediately than people angry that the rewards end at 1000 days.

    And saddened. To me that's the real slap in the face from Cryptic/PWE. :(

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  • commanderkassycommanderkassy Member Posts: 1,005 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    xenor002 wrote: »
    Your sig:

    I EARNED 1000 days...I didn't BUY it!

    This is sophistry. It is not possible for anyone, normal subscriber, or LTSer, to have gotten a 1,000 day vet reward without paying for it. Whether that is in one lump sum, or over a long period of time, you both received precisely what you paid for, with money you each earned by doing your real world jobs.
    xenor002 wrote: »
    LTS = Death to Vet. System:

    A minor restructuring of the vet system to make it more fair for every single person who has ever paid for this game. They will now receive what they pay for up front instead of being forced to wait an arbitrary span of time.. again.. to receive something that they have already paid for.
    xenor002 wrote: »
    10/10/12 Never Forget

    Through the use of your language, despite whatever you may say to the contrary, you are likening an intelligent and logical business decision that hurts no one to a terrorist attack where thousands of people were mercilessly slaughtered.

    Perspective.
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  • srafaoraspsrafaorasp Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    It is true that i did pay for the vet rewards. how ever i payed 1,000 days for my vet rewards.
  • aelfwin1aelfwin1 Member Posts: 2,896 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    This post has been edited to remove content which violates the Perfect World Entertainment Community Rules and Policies . ~BluegeekQUOTE]

    You're defending the "purchase of fairness" with money .
    Fairness sometimes can't be bought .
    You are grumbling about people receiving a product they paid for.

    He is grumbling about .... An Altered Deal !
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    In case you somehow managed to have missed this in the past 3 years , that is the mass failure most of the STO forums . Where have YOU been ?
  • vladdievladdie Member Posts: 117 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    I EARNED 1000 days...I didn't BUY it!

    This is easily the most contrite statement in the history of dumb, ever.
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  • commanderkassycommanderkassy Member Posts: 1,005 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    aelfwin1 wrote: »
    You're defending the "purchase of fairness" with money .
    Fairness sometimes can't be bought .

    This is not purchase of fairness, but fairness of purchase. Yes, they are different.
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  • tinead51tinead51 Member Posts: 449 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    I can't really get to worked up about this. I had 50 days till 1K. I get that some people are worked up. I'm just not one of them. Most of what I do anymore is grind dilithium. Haven't played a single STF, not a PVP guy. Just fly around, do the occasional exploration mission, get some more dilithium, work on the starbase. Like the new ship. Will get it whenever. The only thing I will do out of some sense of twisted respect/honor is wait till 1K before I change my forum title.

    Twilight Zone moment,you are me...:eek: (other than the STF comment)
  • vladdievladdie Member Posts: 117 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    srafaorasp wrote: »
    It is true that i did pay for the vet rewards. how ever i payed 1,000 days for my vet rewards.

    So did the person who bought it yesterday.
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  • commanderkassycommanderkassy Member Posts: 1,005 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    vladdie wrote: »
    So did the person who bought it yesterday.

    Indeed. In fact, they paid for every single day from now until whenever the game shuts down in the future. I'm pretty sure that's way more than 1,000.
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