Both are only half true. In reality, a sub is time. Paid for. The system was only changed in that someone who has already paid for the time will not have to arbitrarily wait for what they paid for.
♪ I'm going around not in circles but in spirographs.
It's pretty much this hard to keep just one timeline intact. ♪
Both are only half true. In reality, a sub is time. Paid for. The system was only changed in that someone who has already paid for the time will not have to arbitrarily wait for what they paid for.
The real issue here is that vet rewards are a mark of time in the game. i have put X amount of actual passed time in to this game. there for I (or you what ever the case may be) get a reward for that.
The real issue here is that vet rewards are a mark of time in the game. i have put X amount of actual passed time in to this game. there for I (or you what ever the case may be) get a reward for that.
And it was always an illogical and arbitrary restriction. It never made sense, and I often wondered why I had to wait when I had already paid for it. It didn't seem fair. Now people actually receive what they pay for, and people are acting like they are the victim's of some grave injustice.. when in reality, if they had ever been so, they wouldn't be acting like that.
You have always had to pay for a veteran reward. It was never "earned". It was always bought, and absolutely zero time had to be spent in the game to do so. I have been an LTS for years and I play, at best, a week out of every month or two.
♪ I'm going around not in circles but in spirographs.
It's pretty much this hard to keep just one timeline intact. ♪
How does a lifer pick up the reward ship Chimera? I see it in store and at ship requisitions but it only offers it for sale. Thought lifers got this for free after 1000 days?
How does a lifer pick up the reward ship Chimera? I see it in store and at ship requisitions but it only offers it for sale. Thought lifers got this for free after 1000 days?
It should cost 1 little ship icon, which you automatically have.
♪ I'm going around not in circles but in spirographs.
It's pretty much this hard to keep just one timeline intact. ♪
in reality i can live with this. i am not happy about it at all. people are getting vet rewards that they have not fully paid for. you pay for vet rewards with time and money. you don't buy time with money for vet rewards.
vet rewards are a mark of how long you have played the game up to this point. not how long you could play this game in the future. i am eventually going to retire can i get my retirement bennies now? i am going to get there eventually
This is not purchase of fairness, but fairness of purchase. Yes, they are different.
Indeed .
But when you are basing your defense of something on the basis that "it's fair because it can be bought that way" , then you are in effect defending the purchase of fairness along side the purchase of an item/service .
I'd like to buy your soul if I may .
What do you mean it's not fair ? I have the money ! And I'm hungry ! Gimme !!
I think it's fair !
I think so because I think that I can buy it . I think that I can buy it because I have money .
Money = eternal ease of purchase (which is what you are defending) . Ease of purchase = god .
All hail the mighty dollar , upon it's altar we shall now sacrifice this game and all that was good about it one step at a time .
But we will make it really pretty , so it's all good . 'Cause we're cool like that .
All hail Cryptic .
Indeed .
But when you are basing your defense of something on the basis that "it's fair because it can be bought that way" , then you are in effect defending the purchase of fairness along side the purchase of an item/service .
I'd like to buy your soul if I may .
What do you mean it's not fair ? I have the money ! And I'm hungry ! Gimme !!
I think it's fair !
I think so because I think that I can buy it . I think that I can buy it because I have money .
Money = ease of purchase . Ease of purchase = god .
All hail the mighty dollar , upon it's altar we shall now sacrifice this game and all that was good about it one step at a time .
But we will make it really pretty , so it's all good . 'Cause we're cool like that .
All hail Cryptic .
You can take an early retirement at 50. LTS have paid for themselves at this point. Same difference :P.
in reality i can live with this. i am not happy about it at all. people are getting vet rewards that they have not fully paid for. you pay for vet rewards with time and money. you don't buy time with money for vet rewards.
..Yes you do. With a subscription, whether it be LTS or recurring, you are paying. for. time. You are ignoring basic logic to support your argument. This is the very definition of sophistry, and I'm seeing a lot of that from the people who are up in arms about this. In reality, you're upset because you feel more entitled and more equal than them, even though you have both expended the same effort and paid for the same amount of time (in fact when it comes to LTS vs recurring, the LTS has paid for more time).
vet rewards are a mark of how long you have played the game up to this point. not how long you could play this game in the future.
No, they are, and always have been, a mark of how much time has been paid for, and nothing more. Whether it was Atari, Perfect World, or Cryptic itself, they have to make money, and Veteran rewards were always about enticing people to pay money for a subscription. If people do not spend money, the game does not make any. If the game does not make any, the game gets shut down. This is elementary school level social studies and economics.
i am eventually going to retire can i get my retirement bennies now? i am going to get there eventually
You are actively being paid money to do your job and are expected to fulfill a certain standard of work ethic in order to retain your benefits and not be fired or otherwise let go.
The game is a service you are paying for. These are different.
In one scenario, you are being paid to perform a service, in another, you are paying for a service. If you do not meet the standards of service in your job, you will lose it. If Cryptic and PWE do not meet the standards of service you expect, then stop paying them. If you continue paying for something that you personally feel is not meeting your expectations, then the joke's on you. Capitalism depends on people only paying for things that they feel are worth it.
All transactions are profitable for both sides.
Bob has sandwiches. Rick has water. Rick needs sandwiches so he can eat and survive. Bob needs water so he can drink and survive. Each has more of what they have than they need, and lacks what they need that the other has. Rick trades some of his water for Bob's sandwiches. They both profit because they are now both better off than they were before the trade.
Money is a representation of the value of services, material goods, and furthermore the services required to provide those goods. Bob can trade some of his sandwiches for money because he needs the money more than the excess sandwiches he has. He will then take that money and use it to trade for water, electricity, and other things he needs, in addition to buying the base components for more sandwiches so he can continue to sell them and sustain himself. Everyone profits, and wealth is created.
All trades should always be like this. As a responsible consumer in a capitalistic society, you should never pay for something if you feel you will not profit from the transaction. If you feel you are not getting your money's worth, don't pay for it.
As with the sandwiches and water analogy above, with a video game, you are paying for entertainment, and by proxy, happiness. If you are not receiving what you are paying for, stop paying.
This isn't hard.
♪ I'm going around not in circles but in spirographs.
It's pretty much this hard to keep just one timeline intact. ♪
You can take an early retirement at 50. LTS have paid for themselves at this point. Same difference :P.
Not all Vets picked up a LTS at the beginning .
I subbed for a year and plonked down the cash for a LTS shortly before The Year oh Hell , during the FE's ... when I really felt that this game was going places .
Boy was I wrong back then .
I just hope that this new "ease of purchase" won't sucker others into another "2011 is gonna be an awesome year" (signed - Stormshade) .
Oh well , at least today I choose to ride my bicycle and exercise instead of logging into STO .
Today's been a better day than yesterday .
So what is "Star Trek" to you then if not the hope / belief that the world will one day stop caring about differences and work together to build a better society; eliminating poverty, etc.?
I kind of pity the world you must be living in.
first step on the road is to stop caring what other people have or get the differences between the person who got a lifetime 4 years ago and the person who got it yesterday should not matter to you.
child one is happily sitting playing with blocks having a great time, child two comes in and starts playing with the extra blocks child one was not using child one has a fit starts crying and the his fun time is ruined some how his blocks are no longer fun to play with because child two is also playing with the blocks this is the story of the human race constantly in competition over **** that does not matter.
Dude what game are you playing that makes you keep creating this false sense of entitlement-envy that you are starting to shove down on the forums...?
I could care less about a stupid title, or some uniform, etc. It's the morality of this issue itself that has people annoyed. Cryptic just told everyone (in a sense) they they are worthless and mean absolutely nothing, and they are supposed to be running a STAR TREK MMO??
i got a computer 2 years ago from dell they come out with a cheaper faster model its not fair dell is telling me I am worthless and mean absolutely nothing after I paid them $2000.00 2 years ago they are ripping me off by selling a better model to people for less. this is what you sound like.
This is sophistry. It is not possible for anyone, normal subscriber, or LTSer, to have gotten a 1,000 day vet reward without paying for it. Whether that is in one lump sum, or over a long period of time, you both received precisely what you paid for, with money you each earned by doing your real world jobs.
A minor restructuring of the vet system to make it more fair for every single person who has ever paid for this game. They will now receive what they pay for up front instead of being forced to wait an arbitrary span of time.. again.. to receive something that they have already paid for.
Through the use of your language, despite whatever you may say to the contrary, you are likening an intelligent and logical business decision that hurts no one to a terrorist attack where thousands of people were mercilessly slaughtered.
I'm not sure if this post is supposed to actually mean anything at all to me other than an obvious attempt to try to belittle me / attack me. :rolleyes: Hmmm just going ot go with random attack on me haha.
Waiting / staying loyal = earned. And technically normal subs paid more than LTS , and I'm only brining that up because you love to preech that you paid for X years...well so did 1000+ vets :rolleyes:
How about this. You work for your firm for (just making up a number at the moment) 20+ years, you've been supportive and still held hope and confidence even though some of those years were a little rough for your firm.
You've been working hard those 20 odd years and have hopes in getting a promotion to a certain standing, the firm at the same time just hired some new person right out of college who takes that position. This new person is apathetic about his fellow coworkers, and does his job good enough, but is a tad sloppy due to being completely new with no experience for the most part.
You point out to your boss on the many years and loyalty to the firm that you have devoted.
- Your boss responds: "Oh, well yes you have been a great asset to us and have helped keep the firm afloat during hard times. If you don't like it, oh well. I could care less how long you've been here and the time you devoted. You already helped keep this firm alive. If you feel like you want to tell me this is your two weeks notice please do tell."
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] EXPLORE.
Dec '07 Account I EARNED 1000 days...I didn't BUY it! New LTS=Death to Vet.System: 10/10/12 Never Forget Something should be done for those who cared enough to have a 1000+ day sub.
first step on the road is to stop caring what other people have or get the differences between the person who got a lifetime 4 years ago and the person who got it yesterday should not matter to you.
child one is happily sitting playing with blocks having a great time, child two comes in and starts playing with the extra blocks child one was not using child one has a fit starts crying and the his fun time is ruined some how his blocks are no longer fun to play with because child two is also playing with the blocks this is the story of the human race constantly in competition over **** that does not matter.
i got a computer 2 years ago from dell they come out with a cheaper faster model its not fair dell is telling me I am worthless and mean absolutely nothing after I paid them $2000.00 2 years ago they are ripping me off by selling a better model to people for less. this is what you sound like.
100% different situations friend. But I give you a /golfclap for trying so hard. :cool: :rolleyes:
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] EXPLORE.
Dec '07 Account I EARNED 1000 days...I didn't BUY it! New LTS=Death to Vet.System: 10/10/12 Never Forget Something should be done for those who cared enough to have a 1000+ day sub.
Some people took 1000 days to pay for 1000 days. It takes those people 1000 days to get their 1000 day rewards. They're still rewards; you're still getting something EXTRA.
Others paid upfront. PWE benefits from this; some claim they don't, but if they didn't, they wouldn't keep offering sales on LTS. In return for this benefit, PWE gives you an even greater reward, because it's behavior they want to encourage.
Both sets of players get rewards. Nobody's getting penalized here; lack of a reward is not a penalty, it's status quo.
Former moderator of these forums. Lifetime sub since before launch. Been here since before public betas. Foundry author of "Franklin Drake Must Die".
The people who go "I subbed! I paid more!" make me facepalm. Paying $15/month for 33 months instead of $200 for 33 months is called a bad financial decision. You don't get rewarded for that.
I'm not sure if this post is supposed to actually mean anything at all to me other than an obvious attempt to try to belittle me / attack me. :rolleyes: Hmmm just going ot go with random attack on me haha.
Waiting / staying loyal = earned. And technically normal subs paid more than LTS , and I'm only brining that up because you love to preech that you paid for X years...well so did 1000+ vets :rolleyes:
How about this. You work for your firm for (just making up a number at the moment) 20+ years, you've been supportive and still held hope and confidence even though some of those years were a little rough for your firm.
You've been working hard those 20 odd years and have hopes in getting a promotion to a certain standing, the firm at the same time just hired some new person right out of college who takes that position. This new person is apathetic about his fellow coworkers, and does his job good enough, but is a tad sloppy due to being completely new with no experience for the most part.
You point out to your boss on the many years and loyalty to the firm that you have devoted.
- Your boss responds: "Oh, well yes you have been a great asset to us and have helped keep the firm afloat during hard times. If you don't like it, oh well. I could care less how long you've been here and the time you devoted. You already helped keep this firm alive. If you feel like you want to tell me this is your two weeks notice please do tell."
Happens ALL THE TIME. Wow have you got much to learn about the real world young business student. :rolleyes:
I'm not sure if this post is supposed to actually mean anything at all to me other than an obvious attempt to try to belittle me / attack me. :rolleyes: Hmmm just going ot go with random attack on me haha.
Instead of shrinking away and taking it personally, perhaps you should think about what I'm saying instead.
You lack perspective, and it is you who is belittling others.
♪ I'm going around not in circles but in spirographs.
It's pretty much this hard to keep just one timeline intact. ♪
Some people took 1000 days to pay for 1000 days. It takes those people 1000 days to get their 1000 day rewards. They're still rewards; you're still getting something EXTRA.
Others paid upfront. PWE benefits from this; some claim they don't, but if they didn't, they wouldn't keep offering sales on LTS. In return for this benefit, PWE gives you an even greater reward, because it's behavior they want to encourage.
Both sets of players get rewards. Nobody's getting penalized here; lack of a reward is not a penalty, it's status quo.
Actually... from an accounting standpoint, unless you bought your LTS after the acquistion by PWE then Atari benefitted from paying upfront. Only new LTS purchases benefit PWE, probably why this deal is being offered.
Perhaps those in opposition would rather STO be shutdown? The way I see it, anything that gets PWE (who paid a significant amount for Cryptic Studios) more funding is a good thing.
In so far as this controversy about new lifetime subscribers getting all the rewards all at once......
I'm not sure if this bothers me at all. I like the fact that it may bring in MORE lifetime subscribers like myself.
This is actually almost completely certain, considering I've seen people in the forum, zone chat, and on the channel system all comment that they were going to be getting a LTS specifically because this was now available. How many did it, that's a good question - but my personal guess is "a lot."
To be honest, this is the primary (only?) way that I can see the ship's existence as a vet reward selling the LTS. Because "you get a ship that was cool and neat but is fairly old hat in 2.5 years" is not much of an incentive to pick up a LTS. "You get a ship that's cool, neat and new right now" IS an incentive, especially considering how much people are willing to throw at lockbox ships, and those are just for a single character.
How about this. You work for your firm for (just making up a number at the moment) 20+ years, you've been supportive and still held hope and confidence even though some of those years were a little rough for your firm.
You've been working hard those 20 odd years and have hopes in getting a promotion to a certain standing, the firm at the same time just hired some new person right out of college who takes that position. This new person is apathetic about his fellow coworkers, and does his job good enough, but is a tad sloppy due to being completely new with no experience for the most part.
You point out to your boss on the many years and loyalty to the firm that you have devoted.
- Your boss responds: "Oh, well yes you have been a great asset to us and have helped keep the firm afloat during hard times. If you don't like it, oh well. I could care less how long you've been here and the time you devoted. You already helped keep this firm alive. If you feel like you want to tell me this is your two weeks notice please do tell."
its happens all the time my dad was head of maintains at a company for 8 years the bosses nephew got out of school so he demoted my dad and gave the job to his nephew when my dad complained the boss fired him because we lived in a right to work state not a damn thing he could do about it.
Perhaps those in opposition would rather STO be shutdown? The way I see it, anything that gets PWE (who paid a significant amount for Cryptic Studios) more funding is a good thing.
Oh please - enough with the hyperbole. Whatever PWE's making out of this FU to the game's longest-standing supporters is a pittance compared to the money they're raking in every few seconds with the lockboxes.
If they really are that desperate for money then a few more LTS sales isn't going to save them.
Instead of shrinking away and taking it personally, perhaps you should think about what I'm saying instead.
You lack perspective, and it is you who is belittling others.
*sigh* You're still at this futile attempt at going at me?
And no, I'm sorry but you failed and I am not "shrinking away" as you put it.
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] EXPLORE.
Dec '07 Account I EARNED 1000 days...I didn't BUY it! New LTS=Death to Vet.System: 10/10/12 Never Forget Something should be done for those who cared enough to have a 1000+ day sub.
Actually... from an accounting standpoint, unless you bought your LTS after the acquistion by PWE then Atari benefitted from paying upfront.
Well, keep in mind Atari ploughed some portion of that money back into game development. I don't know how much, but it was definitely non-zero. Most of the LTS subs came near launch, and the big "non-F2P-conversion development drought" came later.
Former moderator of these forums. Lifetime sub since before launch. Been here since before public betas. Foundry author of "Franklin Drake Must Die".
Gonna love all my new toys as soon as I buy my lifetime. Not gonna apologize for loving that I get them either. I won't fly around , saying hah hah look at me. But this was a good decision on Cryptic's part. They have made buying a LTS actually appealing. I, for one, applaud them for this move.
I think it'd be great if they threw all the actual 1000 day vets something cool , like a title you only get at actually 1000 days or something. Otherwise ... great decision by Cryptic.
To all the people getting oh so dramatic about all this... It's PIXELS and words on a screen, in a computer generated fantasy land. You all need to just settle down.
Gonna love all my new toys as soon as I buy my lifetime. Not gonna apologize for loving that I get them either. I won't fly around , saying hah hah look at me. But this was a good decision on Cryptic's part. They have made buying a LTS actually appealing. I, for one, applaud them for this move.
I think it'd be great if they threw all the actual 1000 day vets something cool , like a title you only get at actually 1000 days or something. Otherwise ... great decision by Cryptic.
To all the people getting oh so dramatic about all this... It's PIXELS and words on a screen, in a computer generated fantasy land. You all need to just settle down.
Cryptic told everyone that if you supported the game for almost 3 years, you are completely pointless and expendable. That kind of business attitude will get them no where far.
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] EXPLORE.
Dec '07 Account I EARNED 1000 days...I didn't BUY it! New LTS=Death to Vet.System: 10/10/12 Never Forget Something should be done for those who cared enough to have a 1000+ day sub.
Cryptic told everyone that if you supported the game for almost 3 years, you are completely pointless and expendable. That kind of business attitude will get them no where far.
How is throwing money out once the same than supporting the game for almost 3 years? There is no ****ing difference between an lifetimer 3 years ago and a new lifetimer.
Both supported the devs with an large somme of money.
BUT I think that the new lifetimer shouldn't the forum title/accolade etc
How is throwing money out once the same than supporting the game for almost 3 years? There is no ****ing difference between an lifetimer 3 years ago and a new lifetimer.
Both supported the devs with an large somme of money.
BUT I think that the new lifetimer shouldn't the forum title/accolade etc
to me the difference is i had to wait X numbers of days for my rewards where is a new lifer get its handed to them on a silver platter
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vet rewards work like this
sub + time = vet reward
not Sub = vet reward
how ever it is cheaper for them to annoy people like me.
Both are only half true. In reality, a sub is time. Paid for. The system was only changed in that someone who has already paid for the time will not have to arbitrarily wait for what they paid for.
It's pretty much this hard to keep just one timeline intact. ♪
The real issue here is that vet rewards are a mark of time in the game. i have put X amount of actual passed time in to this game. there for I (or you what ever the case may be) get a reward for that.
And it was always an illogical and arbitrary restriction. It never made sense, and I often wondered why I had to wait when I had already paid for it. It didn't seem fair. Now people actually receive what they pay for, and people are acting like they are the victim's of some grave injustice.. when in reality, if they had ever been so, they wouldn't be acting like that.
You have always had to pay for a veteran reward. It was never "earned". It was always bought, and absolutely zero time had to be spent in the game to do so. I have been an LTS for years and I play, at best, a week out of every month or two.
It's pretty much this hard to keep just one timeline intact. ♪
It should cost 1 little ship icon, which you automatically have.
It's pretty much this hard to keep just one timeline intact. ♪
Ah, but there is one more postulate you are overlooking.
LTS = sub + (time)∞
People are broken. - Lum the Mad
vet rewards are a mark of how long you have played the game up to this point. not how long you could play this game in the future. i am eventually going to retire can i get my retirement bennies now? i am going to get there eventually
Indeed .
But when you are basing your defense of something on the basis that "it's fair because it can be bought that way" , then you are in effect defending the purchase of fairness along side the purchase of an item/service .
I'd like to buy your soul if I may .
What do you mean it's not fair ? I have the money ! And I'm hungry ! Gimme !!
I think it's fair !
I think so because I think that I can buy it . I think that I can buy it because I have money .
Money = eternal ease of purchase (which is what you are defending) . Ease of purchase = god .
All hail the mighty dollar , upon it's altar we shall now sacrifice this game and all that was good about it one step at a time .
But we will make it really pretty , so it's all good . 'Cause we're cool like that .
All hail Cryptic .
You can take an early retirement at 50. LTS have paid for themselves at this point. Same difference :P.
..Yes you do. With a subscription, whether it be LTS or recurring, you are paying. for. time. You are ignoring basic logic to support your argument. This is the very definition of sophistry, and I'm seeing a lot of that from the people who are up in arms about this. In reality, you're upset because you feel more entitled and more equal than them, even though you have both expended the same effort and paid for the same amount of time (in fact when it comes to LTS vs recurring, the LTS has paid for more time).
No, they are, and always have been, a mark of how much time has been paid for, and nothing more. Whether it was Atari, Perfect World, or Cryptic itself, they have to make money, and Veteran rewards were always about enticing people to pay money for a subscription. If people do not spend money, the game does not make any. If the game does not make any, the game gets shut down. This is elementary school level social studies and economics.
You are actively being paid money to do your job and are expected to fulfill a certain standard of work ethic in order to retain your benefits and not be fired or otherwise let go.
The game is a service you are paying for. These are different.
In one scenario, you are being paid to perform a service, in another, you are paying for a service. If you do not meet the standards of service in your job, you will lose it. If Cryptic and PWE do not meet the standards of service you expect, then stop paying them. If you continue paying for something that you personally feel is not meeting your expectations, then the joke's on you. Capitalism depends on people only paying for things that they feel are worth it.
All transactions are profitable for both sides.
Bob has sandwiches. Rick has water. Rick needs sandwiches so he can eat and survive. Bob needs water so he can drink and survive. Each has more of what they have than they need, and lacks what they need that the other has. Rick trades some of his water for Bob's sandwiches. They both profit because they are now both better off than they were before the trade.
Money is a representation of the value of services, material goods, and furthermore the services required to provide those goods. Bob can trade some of his sandwiches for money because he needs the money more than the excess sandwiches he has. He will then take that money and use it to trade for water, electricity, and other things he needs, in addition to buying the base components for more sandwiches so he can continue to sell them and sustain himself. Everyone profits, and wealth is created.
All trades should always be like this. As a responsible consumer in a capitalistic society, you should never pay for something if you feel you will not profit from the transaction. If you feel you are not getting your money's worth, don't pay for it.
As with the sandwiches and water analogy above, with a video game, you are paying for entertainment, and by proxy, happiness. If you are not receiving what you are paying for, stop paying.
This isn't hard.
It's pretty much this hard to keep just one timeline intact. ♪
Not all Vets picked up a LTS at the beginning .
I subbed for a year and plonked down the cash for a LTS shortly before The Year oh Hell , during the FE's ... when I really felt that this game was going places .
Boy was I wrong back then .
I just hope that this new "ease of purchase" won't sucker others into another "2011 is gonna be an awesome year" (signed - Stormshade) .
Oh well , at least today I choose to ride my bicycle and exercise instead of logging into STO .
Today's been a better day than yesterday .
first step on the road is to stop caring what other people have or get the differences between the person who got a lifetime 4 years ago and the person who got it yesterday should not matter to you.
child one is happily sitting playing with blocks having a great time, child two comes in and starts playing with the extra blocks child one was not using child one has a fit starts crying and the his fun time is ruined some how his blocks are no longer fun to play with because child two is also playing with the blocks this is the story of the human race constantly in competition over **** that does not matter.
i got a computer 2 years ago from dell they come out with a cheaper faster model its not fair dell is telling me I am worthless and mean absolutely nothing after I paid them $2000.00 2 years ago they are ripping me off by selling a better model to people for less. this is what you sound like.
I'm not sure if this post is supposed to actually mean anything at all to me other than an obvious attempt to try to belittle me / attack me. :rolleyes: Hmmm just going ot go with random attack on me haha.
Waiting / staying loyal = earned. And technically normal subs paid more than LTS , and I'm only brining that up because you love to preech that you paid for X years...well so did 1000+ vets :rolleyes:
How about this. You work for your firm for (just making up a number at the moment) 20+ years, you've been supportive and still held hope and confidence even though some of those years were a little rough for your firm.
You've been working hard those 20 odd years and have hopes in getting a promotion to a certain standing, the firm at the same time just hired some new person right out of college who takes that position. This new person is apathetic about his fellow coworkers, and does his job good enough, but is a tad sloppy due to being completely new with no experience for the most part.
You point out to your boss on the many years and loyalty to the firm that you have devoted.
- Your boss responds: "Oh, well yes you have been a great asset to us and have helped keep the firm afloat during hard times. If you don't like it, oh well. I could care less how long you've been here and the time you devoted. You already helped keep this firm alive. If you feel like you want to tell me this is your two weeks notice please do tell."
Dec '07 Account
I EARNED 1000 days...I didn't BUY it! New LTS=Death to Vet.System: 10/10/12 Never Forget
Something should be done for those who cared enough to have a 1000+ day sub.
100% different situations friend. But I give you a /golfclap for trying so hard. :cool: :rolleyes:
Dec '07 Account
I EARNED 1000 days...I didn't BUY it! New LTS=Death to Vet.System: 10/10/12 Never Forget
Something should be done for those who cared enough to have a 1000+ day sub.
Some people took 1000 days to pay for 1000 days. It takes those people 1000 days to get their 1000 day rewards. They're still rewards; you're still getting something EXTRA.
Others paid upfront. PWE benefits from this; some claim they don't, but if they didn't, they wouldn't keep offering sales on LTS. In return for this benefit, PWE gives you an even greater reward, because it's behavior they want to encourage.
Both sets of players get rewards. Nobody's getting penalized here; lack of a reward is not a penalty, it's status quo.
Happens ALL THE TIME. Wow have you got much to learn about the real world young business student. :rolleyes:
People are broken. - Lum the Mad
Instead of shrinking away and taking it personally, perhaps you should think about what I'm saying instead.
You lack perspective, and it is you who is belittling others.
It's pretty much this hard to keep just one timeline intact. ♪
Actually... from an accounting standpoint, unless you bought your LTS after the acquistion by PWE then Atari benefitted from paying upfront. Only new LTS purchases benefit PWE, probably why this deal is being offered.
Perhaps those in opposition would rather STO be shutdown? The way I see it, anything that gets PWE (who paid a significant amount for Cryptic Studios) more funding is a good thing.
People are broken. - Lum the Mad
This is actually almost completely certain, considering I've seen people in the forum, zone chat, and on the channel system all comment that they were going to be getting a LTS specifically because this was now available. How many did it, that's a good question - but my personal guess is "a lot."
To be honest, this is the primary (only?) way that I can see the ship's existence as a vet reward selling the LTS. Because "you get a ship that was cool and neat but is fairly old hat in 2.5 years" is not much of an incentive to pick up a LTS. "You get a ship that's cool, neat and new right now" IS an incentive, especially considering how much people are willing to throw at lockbox ships, and those are just for a single character.
its happens all the time my dad was head of maintains at a company for 8 years the bosses nephew got out of school so he demoted my dad and gave the job to his nephew when my dad complained the boss fired him because we lived in a right to work state not a damn thing he could do about it.
Oh please - enough with the hyperbole. Whatever PWE's making out of this FU to the game's longest-standing supporters is a pittance compared to the money they're raking in every few seconds with the lockboxes.
If they really are that desperate for money then a few more LTS sales isn't going to save them.
*sigh* You're still at this futile attempt at going at me?
And no, I'm sorry but you failed and I am not "shrinking away" as you put it.
Dec '07 Account
I EARNED 1000 days...I didn't BUY it! New LTS=Death to Vet.System: 10/10/12 Never Forget
Something should be done for those who cared enough to have a 1000+ day sub.
The fact you think I am "going at you" speaks for itself.
It's pretty much this hard to keep just one timeline intact. ♪
Well, keep in mind Atari ploughed some portion of that money back into game development. I don't know how much, but it was definitely non-zero. Most of the LTS subs came near launch, and the big "non-F2P-conversion development drought" came later.
I think it'd be great if they threw all the actual 1000 day vets something cool , like a title you only get at actually 1000 days or something. Otherwise ... great decision by Cryptic.
To all the people getting oh so dramatic about all this... It's PIXELS and words on a screen, in a computer generated fantasy land. You all need to just settle down.
Cryptic told everyone that if you supported the game for almost 3 years, you are completely pointless and expendable. That kind of business attitude will get them no where far.
Dec '07 Account
I EARNED 1000 days...I didn't BUY it! New LTS=Death to Vet.System: 10/10/12 Never Forget
Something should be done for those who cared enough to have a 1000+ day sub.
How is throwing money out once the same than supporting the game for almost 3 years? There is no ****ing difference between an lifetimer 3 years ago and a new lifetimer.
Both supported the devs with an large somme of money.
BUT I think that the new lifetimer shouldn't the forum title/accolade etc
to me the difference is i had to wait X numbers of days for my rewards where is a new lifer get its handed to them on a silver platter
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