Thank you for doing this. As a 600 day subscriber I missed many of the perks which the current people approaching 1000 days got and so at least now we are on a level playing field.
For those interested in what us newer litetimes missed out on, I refer to the abolishing of the old currencies and the transfer to dilithium at F2P. The old lifers previously got a nice quantity of emblems for free at 500 days and they got transferred into dilithium. If they had got too many emblems though, including their free 250 per character they were awarded a free Veteran Boff which nobody else could or can ever get any more.
Do not be thinking they are losing unique stuff remember they have had access to stuff the rest of us can only dream about.
Those that got too many badges got less dilithium per badge so many started to spend their badges before the conversion (including myself) only to be told a week later that those that end up with more than 100k dilithium would get access to the special veteran BOFF.
Have a guess how many missed that special reward (in reality it was a compensation) because they announced the diminished return of dilithium one week before they announced the BOFF?
Do you think we got access to that DOFF even after multiple complaints on how the news was given to us? Nope, not even a single reply.
And now this? I have waited 1000 days (almost 3 years) for this so called "veteran" reward and now all the sudden someone that starts the game tomorrow can get the LTS and become a 1000 day veteran without even knowing what a hypospray is or how to move their characters.
Until now other players could look at my ship or character and see that I have been with the game for a long time, now I will just be one of the new guys that has thrown in lots of money to get the shinnies and don't have a clue what they are doing.
What is next? Include playable liberated Borg captain as a regular Gold member subscription so that everyone that pays 15$ gets permanent access to them?
Brandon finally took the plunge and bought the 3 month revolving membership sale about 50 days ago. Had already spent $350 on the game so why not go gold.
Now if I buy this New LTS sale what happens to the last 40 days of that Gold sale - would I get a credit?
Brandon finally took the plunge and bought the 3 month revolving membership sale about 50 days ago. Had already spent $350 on the game so why not go gold.
Now if I buy this New LTS sale what happens to the last 40 days of that Gold sale - would I get a credit?
Thanks
Im certain u would not get that.
And indeed as Rohirrim says, I spended as much as posible tokens that i had, only to find out u could get a Boff if u had more than 100k dill.. That was a backstab also..
Also ( altho doubtfull ) I do want to know if an offical someone is reading this is, and what there take is on this? Be it bad or good, Speak ur mind. Let us know why this is happening. SAY ATLEAST SOMETHING!
Even if it is a crappy, guys we are sorry but the dissension is made.
Talking to my self, asking stuff to my self, definitely not understanding my self. Such is the life of an overworked Starfleet admiral.
Somebody wrote on the main site comments: "Is S7 the last?" .. Well no ST series got an 8th season, so you may be right.
On the other hand ... this is a great pain to those players who gave their support from the earliest beginning. Those who trusted the game will live on with it's problems solved. I'm a F2P player here, got only a 10-day trial from Alienware, but I still have that character as main for the gold bonuses. Apart from that I followed the state of the game since the beginning and I have to say: ALL HAIL THOSE 1000 DAY VETERANS! FOR FAITHFULNESS! ... and kill this LTS-option you typed down here. I know it's business ... but it's a bad one!
The funny thing is how history repeats itself. I remember when CoH did something similar when they went F2P. If you bought enough Paragon Points, you could go right up the rewards ranks to get the same stuff subscribers who'd been playing for years earned through the (former) Vet Rewards program.
So I'll just say now what I said a few years ago on that other game: if two player spend the same amount of cash, one over time and another up-front, haven't they both equally contributed to the welfare of the game? If so, what is the difference? If you decide to go all-in with a LT sub now, and I decided to do it years ago, haven't we both put in the same monetary investment to the game?
Pay to earn? Why not? Look over at the C-Store and tell me it's not the same thing. You invest in the game (you keep the devs paid), you earn things.
If you're using the LT Sub perks as a gauge to tell vets from newbs, ur doin it wrong anyhow. What's an experienced newb compared to a veteran? What's a vet who acts like a jerk compared to a newb?
(...) what does it matter if someone forks out loads of money (for sub time or a LT sub) and then waits 1000 days, or someone forks out loads of money and waits 1 day? Either way, isn't someone forking out loads of money? x=x for some x in the realm or real numbers, right?
I've been here since almost Day 1, and I have to say: I don't care if you bought into a LT Sub 3 years ago or 3 days ago. You support the game in one of the most severe ways. Congratulations!
As for the players who feel like they have lost something simply because other players who decided to take the LT Sub leap later or just discovered the game no get rewarded up-front for doubling-down, their opinion to me is irrelevant.
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
I don't care how long you've been playing. I only care about how you play.
And remember to follow the rules.
OMG, I can't believe all the crying from the vets over this. Like getting their 400 day reward 600 days early wasn't enough, and enjoying the game all these years.
It's a relief knowing that if I buy a LTS tomorrow I'll get the awards instead of hoping STO will be around 3+ years from now and can claim the 3 year old ship.
I'll say that I've been a bit ticked by people who just rant about how the lifetime subs just let essentially 1 day veterans (if they never subscribed before) get the 1000 day vet rewards. Sure there will be people who do that, but ranting about it offends me because I've been here since before day 1. Why should the fact that I didn't have the money to go lifetime or continue my sub then mean that I am somehow cheating to get those ships with a lifetime sub?
You wouldn't be cheated. When you hit 1,000 days being a paid subscriber you too would have access to the ship. That's why it was called a "Veteran's Reward" - to reward players who have been supporting the game financially through subscriptions for that long.
This whole complaining about the price is just silly to me i bought it when it was $299.99 and am just fine with the price they have here because i enjoy the things i can get as a Life timer but hearing people complain about the price is almost as silly as complaing about gas prices going up
it's not the price thats the issue. altho some do make a valid point that other games with lifer start at $200 anyway not 300. so offer 100 off is actually the common price for other games. so in lifer game land that not actually that great a deal when comparing to others. thats what some people are saying with price.
the real issue is time severed as a veteran. the best example is the long awaited 1k veteran reward is now a 1 day veteran. i doubt you'll find many 1k veterans complain about the money sale on a life time sub. giving away all the rewards earned for time severed is the issue. i'm baffled as to any one gave this the go ahead. dose money really mean more to you than loyalty. seems this game is loosing morale fibre fast....
btw if any reads this when are you going to help make players aware of helplines and such for those with gambling issues?? kids also play this game and they along with adults are constantly exposed to gambling on lockboxes. some times people are weak to the temptation and when it happens they need help badly as it can ruin lives.
Some people dont seem to get why the OLD LTSers are upset, we waited 1000 days for this ship, than when it comes out BAM ever LTS old and the people that buy the LTS tomorrow will have this ship..
So the OLD LTSers have all rights to be angry. I would love to see FOR OLD LTSERS ONLY an ingame title and forum title to show they are the real "vet's" of the game that stick to this game trough all the time.
I was happy when i saw the ship, Now im not sure to feel angry or happy with this crappy change!
I am one of the people thinking about becoming a LTM. I was here as a monthly customer at launch. I paid and played a total of 4 months (got the 100 day reward thats all) during the sub-only days. I have come back and played free since FTP though I have spent $40 on the c-store.
You were not waiting on this 1,000 day ship since launch, you only found out about it a few weeks ago at most. I was here at launch too, I was waiting for this ship as much as anyone else.
If I go LTM now I will still get the ship. I CAN see why that is a little upsetting, but I am paying the same for my LTM as you, and I am getting three years of play LESS out of it than you are.
I do not think PWE doesn't care about long-term subs, if so they would have put this ship in a lockbox and be done with it. But they are using the opportunity to try to get some cash out of it too, and as a business I can't blame them for that.
I am one of the people thinking about becoming a LTM. I was here as a monthly customer at launch. I paid and played a total of 4 months (got the 100 day reward thats all) during the sub-only days. I have come back and played free since FTP though I have spent $40 on the c-store.
You were not waiting on this 1,000 day ship since launch, you only found out about it a few weeks ago at most. I was here at launch too, I was waiting for this ship as much as anyone else.
If I go LTM now I will still get the ship. I CAN see why that is a little upsetting, but I am paying the same for my LTM as you, and I am getting three years of play LESS out of it than you are.
I do not think PWE doesn't care about long-term subs, if so they would have put this ship in a lockbox and be done with it. But they are using the opportunity to try to get some cash out of it too, and as a business I can't blame them for that.
That there was a ship for 1000 days was long known before we knew some leaked info. try 100 days ago... if not before that even!
And the underlinded, thats what makes us the most angry u will get it at day 1, NOT AFTER THAT. We got it after 1000 days.
Will the game be here in 3 years? who knows, altho as someone said. Will S7 be the last for STO? cause this is just a wierd jump without any reason other than making REAL vets angry and making money. And yeah im saying it now REAL 1k VETS that earned the ship.
Talking to my self, asking stuff to my self, definitely not understanding my self. Such is the life of an overworked Starfleet admiral.
OMG, I can't believe all the crying from the vets over this. Like getting their 400 day reward 600 days early wasn't enough, and enjoying the game all these years.
It's a relief knowing that if I buy a LTS tomorrow I'll get the awards instead of hoping STO will be around 3+ years from now and can claim the 3 year old ship.
Way to kill it for us new players you crybabies !
Love the irony of this.
It's a relief knowing that if I buy a LTS tomorrow I'll get the awards instead of hoping STO will be around 3+ years from now and can claim the 3 year old ship.
When I bought my LTS I didn't know what the veteran rewards would be, when (if ever) I'd get them and more importantly, if the game would even be around in six months time.
You don't have to invest a penny - you can play the game for free. And if you sink $300 you get everything I got in 3 years right now. No risk, no leap of faith.
Maybe in your world things like loyalty, trust and faith aren't deserving of reward - in mine they are. Sadly it seems Cryptic feels the same way you do - enjoy your shinies - you've earned them.
I am one of the people thinking about becoming a LTM. I was here as a monthly customer at launch. I paid and played a total of 4 months (got the 100 day reward thats all) during the sub-only days. I have come back and played free since FTP though I have spent $40 on the c-store.
You were not waiting on this 1,000 day ship since launch, you only found out about it a few weeks ago at most. I was here at launch too, I was waiting for this ship as much as anyone else.
If I go LTM now I will still get the ship. I CAN see why that is a little upsetting, but I am paying the same for my LTM as you, and I am getting three years of play LESS out of it than you are.
I do not think PWE doesn't care about long-term subs, if so they would have put this ship in a lockbox and be done with it. But they are using the opportunity to try to get some cash out of it too, and as a business I can't blame them for that.
If you decide to put down $240 - $300 for a LT Sub, more power to ya.
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
I don't care how long you've been playing. I only care about how you play.
And remember to follow the rules.
If someone has subscribed long enough to be ready to get this reward, they really ought go lifetime at this point. It'll be cheaper in the long run for them (14-months at this price and they'll break even, after that its all benefit/profit to them). If you sub'd for 1000 days (34 months-ish), you've already paid over $500!
Personally, I have no problem with this. I'm only an 800+ day player, only went lifetime recently, but I think this is a sensible perk. I would suggest, however, that since I don't think subscriptions can get refunds? Could the back-end be changed so people who subscribe to 3, 6 or 12 months at a time get the VR days credited to them immediately? Front-loading the VRs like that might be a nice bonus. I'd keep the stipend monthly, though, but that's just me.
My personal opinion is that while VRs are nice, I'd rather see it scrapped for a rewards system. Get x-many points for every sort of transaction you make (buying points, subscribing, buying a lifetime, etc), and redeem them for perks. Give a good selection, rotate perks periodically, and let us choose what we'd like. Just don't be like Paragon and give away nearly everything away for free. This way there's a reward for anyone who spends money - Silver, Gold and Lifetime.
Also, nice to see the sale again. I bought my lifetime at $300, I'm past my break-even point, and am enjoying myself overall. I'm glad folks have an opportunity to get it at a discounted rate, especially with the holidays being right around the corner. This is an excellent early gift for the gamers out there!
My blog! Zen|Dilithium tracking on Thursdays http://samonmaui.blogspot.com As a lifetime member of STO, I officially became a financial liability as of April 2012 when compared to a subscriber.
I must admit, that i'm rather... Happy about this.
I remember, 640 days ago, when I purchased my LTS, at the bottom of the LTS description there was a category that said, "and more to come."
After the Season 5/F2P change, that category disappeared.
Well, i guess it had just cloaked itself, cause it's back in an awesome way!!
Thank you Cryptic for the AWESOME "more to come"!
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Registered: Oct/2009 , LTS : Feb/2011
Fleets: Warriors of the Phoenix, Kirian Industries[/SIGPIC] Three years and still no Captain Klaa hair...
When I bought my LTS I didn't know what the veteran rewards would be, when (if ever) I'd get them and more importantly, if the game would even be around in six months time.
You don't have to invest a penny - you can play the game for free. And if you sink $300 you get everything I got in 3 years right now. No risk, no leap of faith.
Maybe in your world things like loyalty, trust and faith aren't deserving of reward - in mine they are. Sadly it seems Cryptic feels the same way you do - enjoy your shinies - you've earned them.
I don't know of ANY MMO thats been around for 6 years, and if this offer never happened I KNOW I would never see this ship in my hands.
Sorry, I don't have faith in this games longevity, and now have no faith or compassion for it's subscribers.
I personally always believed that a lifetime member should have always had the top rewards and that gold players should wait. As a lifer you invested a bunch into the game, I know I have dumped more than $2,200.00 into this game since 2010 and I have no intention of slowing down. Now that $2,200.00 is not including the Lifetime Subscription cost or the new computer I had to buy to go along with this!
I am a big fan of STO and a bigger fan of Star Trek as a whole! I am very happy over this news! All life time members should have access! As a long time lifer I support this decision and welcome new lifers to the group!
Anyone who bought a LTS on day one got to see their investment pay off, and were playing for free before the game went FTP, and can look forward to free Zen forever. Mine did not pay off before then, and at 500 Zen a month, won't for a long time. Sorry if my heart doesn't exactly bleed for you.
My favorite thing in the thread so far is the guy who wants to be rewarded for his loyalty after leaving to play a competing game all year, but I'm pretty sure that's just trolling.
As a long time lifer myself, I fail to see why anyone would care. If you pay for a LTS, you are all but 100% guaranteed to get those vet rewards anyway. The only things that would stop you from getting them is either you get your account banned, or the game shuts down. This is just one more incentive to give the company that keeps the game up some money, so be happy with that.
Wait wait wait, so I have been a player of this game solid since day one, and it all counts for TRIBBLE because you guys want to gain a quick buck? So what do those of us who've waited 1000 days get for actually having done that?
swg did 8 years. sadly came to an end. a f2p model would have saved that game
I lost my virginity of MMO's to that game, than first TRIBBLE up, mean big update came. Than second big TRIBBLE up.. uhmm update came. I dont think even a F2P would fix what they did poorly enough to that game
Talking to my self, asking stuff to my self, definitely not understanding my self. Such is the life of an overworked Starfleet admiral.
Wait wait wait, so I have been a player of this game solid since day one, and it all counts for TRIBBLE because you guys want to gain a quick buck? So what do those of us who've waited 1000 days get for actually having done that?
OMG, I can't believe all the crying from the vets over this. Like getting their 400 day reward 600 days early wasn't enough, and enjoying the game all these years.
It's a relief knowing that if I buy a LTS tomorrow I'll get the awards instead of hoping STO will be around 3+ years from now and can claim the 3 year old ship.
Way to kill it for us new players you crybabies !
How would you feel if all of sudden all of the high-end STF gear wound up in the C-Store where it could be bought with Zen instead of grinding out hundreds of STF runs?
Anyone who bought a LTS on day one got to see their investment pay off.
That's subjective - yes, after a while the game became free to play for Lifetimers (and eventually free-to-play for everyone) but this game is a hollow, grindfest shell of what was hoped for and promised. I don't see that as paying off really.
Ask yourself - if you had to pay $15 a month to play STO, would you?
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Those that got too many badges got less dilithium per badge so many started to spend their badges before the conversion (including myself) only to be told a week later that those that end up with more than 100k dilithium would get access to the special veteran BOFF.
Have a guess how many missed that special reward (in reality it was a compensation) because they announced the diminished return of dilithium one week before they announced the BOFF?
Do you think we got access to that DOFF even after multiple complaints on how the news was given to us? Nope, not even a single reply.
And now this? I have waited 1000 days (almost 3 years) for this so called "veteran" reward and now all the sudden someone that starts the game tomorrow can get the LTS and become a 1000 day veteran without even knowing what a hypospray is or how to move their characters.
Until now other players could look at my ship or character and see that I have been with the game for a long time, now I will just be one of the new guys that has thrown in lots of money to get the shinnies and don't have a clue what they are doing.
What is next? Include playable liberated Borg captain as a regular Gold member subscription so that everyone that pays 15$ gets permanent access to them?
Fleet Admiral Enterprise-D
Now if I buy this New LTS sale what happens to the last 40 days of that Gold sale - would I get a credit?
Thanks
Im certain u would not get that.
And indeed as Rohirrim says, I spended as much as posible tokens that i had, only to find out u could get a Boff if u had more than 100k dill.. That was a backstab also..
Also ( altho doubtfull ) I do want to know if an offical someone is reading this is, and what there take is on this? Be it bad or good, Speak ur mind. Let us know why this is happening. SAY ATLEAST SOMETHING!
Even if it is a crappy, guys we are sorry but the dissension is made.
On the other hand ... this is a great pain to those players who gave their support from the earliest beginning. Those who trusted the game will live on with it's problems solved. I'm a F2P player here, got only a 10-day trial from Alienware, but I still have that character as main for the gold bonuses. Apart from that I followed the state of the game since the beginning and I have to say: ALL HAIL THOSE 1000 DAY VETERANS! FOR FAITHFULNESS! ... and kill this LTS-option you typed down here. I know it's business ... but it's a bad one!
I've been here since almost Day 1, and I have to say: I don't care if you bought into a LT Sub 3 years ago or 3 days ago. You support the game in one of the most severe ways. Congratulations!
As for the players who feel like they have lost something simply because other players who decided to take the LT Sub leap later or just discovered the game no get rewarded up-front for doubling-down, their opinion to me is irrelevant.
I don't care how long you've been playing. I only care about how you play.
And remember to follow the rules.
It's a relief knowing that if I buy a LTS tomorrow I'll get the awards instead of hoping STO will be around 3+ years from now and can claim the 3 year old ship.
Way to kill it for us new players you crybabies !
Awoken Dead
Now shaddup about the queues, it's a BUG
You wouldn't be cheated. When you hit 1,000 days being a paid subscriber you too would have access to the ship. That's why it was called a "Veteran's Reward" - to reward players who have been supporting the game financially through subscriptions for that long.
it's not the price thats the issue. altho some do make a valid point that other games with lifer start at $200 anyway not 300. so offer 100 off is actually the common price for other games. so in lifer game land that not actually that great a deal when comparing to others. thats what some people are saying with price.
the real issue is time severed as a veteran. the best example is the long awaited 1k veteran reward is now a 1 day veteran. i doubt you'll find many 1k veterans complain about the money sale on a life time sub. giving away all the rewards earned for time severed is the issue. i'm baffled as to any one gave this the go ahead. dose money really mean more to you than loyalty. seems this game is loosing morale fibre fast....
btw if any reads this when are you going to help make players aware of helplines and such for those with gambling issues?? kids also play this game and they along with adults are constantly exposed to gambling on lockboxes. some times people are weak to the temptation and when it happens they need help badly as it can ruin lives.
make everyone who have the lifetime subscription jump to 1000 days
I am one of the people thinking about becoming a LTM. I was here as a monthly customer at launch. I paid and played a total of 4 months (got the 100 day reward thats all) during the sub-only days. I have come back and played free since FTP though I have spent $40 on the c-store.
You were not waiting on this 1,000 day ship since launch, you only found out about it a few weeks ago at most. I was here at launch too, I was waiting for this ship as much as anyone else.
If I go LTM now I will still get the ship. I CAN see why that is a little upsetting, but I am paying the same for my LTM as you, and I am getting three years of play LESS out of it than you are.
I do not think PWE doesn't care about long-term subs, if so they would have put this ship in a lockbox and be done with it. But they are using the opportunity to try to get some cash out of it too, and as a business I can't blame them for that.
That there was a ship for 1000 days was long known before we knew some leaked info. try 100 days ago... if not before that even!
And the underlinded, thats what makes us the most angry u will get it at day 1, NOT AFTER THAT. We got it after 1000 days.
Will the game be here in 3 years? who knows, altho as someone said. Will S7 be the last for STO? cause this is just a wierd jump without any reason other than making REAL vets angry and making money. And yeah im saying it now REAL 1k VETS that earned the ship.
Love the irony of this.
When I bought my LTS I didn't know what the veteran rewards would be, when (if ever) I'd get them and more importantly, if the game would even be around in six months time.
You don't have to invest a penny - you can play the game for free. And if you sink $300 you get everything I got in 3 years right now. No risk, no leap of faith.
Maybe in your world things like loyalty, trust and faith aren't deserving of reward - in mine they are. Sadly it seems Cryptic feels the same way you do - enjoy your shinies - you've earned them.
I don't care how long you've been playing. I only care about how you play.
And remember to follow the rules.
Personally, I have no problem with this. I'm only an 800+ day player, only went lifetime recently, but I think this is a sensible perk. I would suggest, however, that since I don't think subscriptions can get refunds? Could the back-end be changed so people who subscribe to 3, 6 or 12 months at a time get the VR days credited to them immediately? Front-loading the VRs like that might be a nice bonus. I'd keep the stipend monthly, though, but that's just me.
My personal opinion is that while VRs are nice, I'd rather see it scrapped for a rewards system. Get x-many points for every sort of transaction you make (buying points, subscribing, buying a lifetime, etc), and redeem them for perks. Give a good selection, rotate perks periodically, and let us choose what we'd like. Just don't be like Paragon and give away nearly everything away for free. This way there's a reward for anyone who spends money - Silver, Gold and Lifetime.
Also, nice to see the sale again. I bought my lifetime at $300, I'm past my break-even point, and am enjoying myself overall. I'm glad folks have an opportunity to get it at a discounted rate, especially with the holidays being right around the corner. This is an excellent early gift for the gamers out there!
My blog! Zen|Dilithium tracking on Thursdays
http://samonmaui.blogspot.com
As a lifetime member of STO, I officially became a financial liability as of April 2012 when compared to a subscriber.
I remember, 640 days ago, when I purchased my LTS, at the bottom of the LTS description there was a category that said, "and more to come."
After the Season 5/F2P change, that category disappeared.
Well, i guess it had just cloaked itself, cause it's back in an awesome way!!
Thank you Cryptic for the AWESOME "more to come"!
Registered: Oct/2009 , LTS : Feb/2011
Fleets: Warriors of the Phoenix, Kirian Industries[/SIGPIC]
Three years and still no Captain Klaa hair...
I don't know of ANY MMO thats been around for 6 years, and if this offer never happened I KNOW I would never see this ship in my hands.
Sorry, I don't have faith in this games longevity, and now have no faith or compassion for it's subscribers.
Awoken Dead
Now shaddup about the queues, it's a BUG
I am a big fan of STO and a bigger fan of Star Trek as a whole! I am very happy over this news! All life time members should have access! As a long time lifer I support this decision and welcome new lifers to the group!
My favorite thing in the thread so far is the guy who wants to be rewarded for his loyalty after leaving to play a competing game all year, but I'm pretty sure that's just trolling.
Wow, COH/V i think even SWG almost 7 years?
Btw how the hell do u not know about WOW?! :eek:
The original EverQuest has been around for 13 years, and is still going.
swg did 8 years. sadly came to an end. a f2p model would have saved that game
Ultima Online and the first Everquest are still going, too.
I lost my virginity of MMO's to that game, than first TRIBBLE up, mean big update came. Than second big TRIBBLE up.. uhmm update came. I dont think even a F2P would fix what they did poorly enough to that game
1000 days of premium membership.
U mean 999 days...
How would you feel if all of sudden all of the high-end STF gear wound up in the C-Store where it could be bought with Zen instead of grinding out hundreds of STF runs?
That's subjective - yes, after a while the game became free to play for Lifetimers (and eventually free-to-play for everyone) but this game is a hollow, grindfest shell of what was hoped for and promised. I don't see that as paying off really.
Ask yourself - if you had to pay $15 a month to play STO, would you?
I know I wouldn't.