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Vesta Class: Speculation and Discussion
burstdragon323
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This thread is for the Speculation and Discussion of the upcoming Vesta Class.
Personally, I'm hoping for a Science Vessel, even with cannons. It fits the timeline of when the ship was created, the Borg were invading again, but they were not going to assimilate Earth. This time, they wanted to destroy it.
What I am NOT hoping for, even actually dreading, is if Cryptic decides to make it into YET another cruiser. We have enough Cruisers. There is only a few C-Store Science ships, and only ONE is an actual Full Science Ship, while the others are Hybrid "Sci-Cruisers".
Personally, I'm hoping for a Science Vessel, even with cannons. It fits the timeline of when the ship was created, the Borg were invading again, but they were not going to assimilate Earth. This time, they wanted to destroy it.
What I am NOT hoping for, even actually dreading, is if Cryptic decides to make it into YET another cruiser. We have enough Cruisers. There is only a few C-Store Science ships, and only ONE is an actual Full Science Ship, while the others are Hybrid "Sci-Cruisers".
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Ahem.
Commander Science
Lt. Cmdr Tactical
Lieutenant Engineering
Lieutenant Universal
Ensign Science
3/3 weapons
3 device slots
4 Science / 3 Tactical / 2 (3?) Engineering console slots
1.3 shield modifier
8 or degree per second turn rate
27000 hull
Able to mount Dual Cannons, but not Dual Heavy Cannons
I stuck her with the Excelsior's turn rate because I felt it was best. Slow enough to make her feel like a Cruiser, fast enough to not totally lose out on those dual cannons. In pretty much every other way she's a standard Science ship.
I left the potential for a third Engineering console so that she could match up with the Oddy and Fleet ships, but I'm not sure about that call.
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IF, and I repeat, IF it is a cruiser, hopefully it'll wield cannons of course. Regardless of anything else, the BOFF layout would be good as:
Cmdr Engineer
Lt. Cmdr Science
Lt. Tac or Universal
Lt. Engineer or Universal (if the other Lt. is a tac)
Ensign Engineer or (more preferably) Sci, or again, universal
I do hope it isn't a cruiser. I've been wanting a cruiser (that isn't an Odyssey) to fill out the sci-heavy cruiser we're missing, but I wouldn't wanna give up the Vesta just to take that role.
If it is a Sci ship, it'd be interesting if it changed things up in the weapons department, like having a 4/2 set-up, or even having 7 weapons possibly. Or having a 4 sci, 4 engineering, 1 tactical console, or switching the tac and engineering console slots, to make it have some teeth, at the cost of few engineering slots. I mean, Sensor Analysis, 4 tac slots, Sensor Scan, plus possibly cannons would really make things interesting.
4 ing
3 science
2 tac
it would make it interesting, yet extrodinarily unbalanced. if it is a sci ship, it will prob. have 3 weapons slots. there is a reason they do that and that is to keep it balanced. with half the goodies a sci has at his/her disposal, they would be unmatched. 4 weapons in the front is def. out of the ?. since most of the big boy sci abilities need you facing the target,(which said abilities are the reason sci vessels have a 3/3 loadout lol) it would be more realistic to see a 2/4 set up..
im pretty sure al already said it was gonna be sci (or very sci in nature).
i for one hope its a cruiser, cause then it will be more usefull and well rounded for everyone (tac sci and eng) but make it a cruiser with a loadout like this.
cmdr univ.
ltcmdr tac
lt eng.
lt univ.
ens sci
4/4 weapons.
less than 1 shield modifier
all the perks a cruiser generally gets.
2 eng slot.
3sci.
3 tac.
(leaving it open for a fleet upgrade in say t6 or 7 starbase projects)
38k hull.
ability to mount dual canons (non heavy)
4 device slots.
and who knows what the univ. consol that would come with it would be.
that could make it sci capable, but not sci resiliant. (as in no endless shields or endless amounts of aux power). thus making you have to think, and work at a build.
in my eyes, making a sci ship that can mount dual cannons will never be able to be balanced (unless you make a 2/3 or maybe 2/4 weapons loadout. the proc chances alone are rediculous (thus the point of reg. duals). too much firepower, with sci abilities coupled with them is to op. thus why they chose to do a 3/3 (they didnt do it to punish sci characters lol).
if this ship is built into a sci vessel, it is in my opinion that it will not live up to what it was intended to be. (yes it had sci abilities in the book, but it also had a kick a** and take names rep.
however, i could care less what they do with the ship cause i personally dont like it lol.. however, i dont want it to come out and be too op. nothing worse then the game being unblanced by one pay to win ship...
so my guess is it'll have at least a lt com tac officer, maybe the ensign too. eng will likely be lt. with the other lt and the com slots being sci, since it still is a sci ship. though it'd be nice if there was a universal BO slot.
weapons most likely 3/3.
Clearly, sir, you are a frothing, raving madman suggesting such.
Where is it definitive? People keep saying it will be a science ship but the last words I heard on it are it will likely be...but nothing is set in stone.
The words were umm around...I think it will be a science ship unless someone can convince me otherwise.
" I think its going to be a science ship and I think thats the way we are going to go. "
Direct quote from priority one.
Trouble is if she is built to wield cannons, you would hurt your dps to put a beam or dual beam to use SST...for a tac science with nothing else you kind of need every little thing you can get.
I like it but i would say more like
Commander Science
Lt. Cmdr Tactical
Lieutenant Engineering
Lt. Cmdr Universal
Ensign Science
3/3 weapons
3 device slots
4 Science / 3 Tactical / 2 Engineering console slots
1.1 shield modifier
7 or degree per second turn rate
35000 hull
Able to mount Cannons
Then lets face it if your doing a beam build your better off with a Odyssey or Assault Cruiser Retrofit then...2 more beams.
To be brutally honest I ask what is the point of this ship then? If a escort can do better with cannons and a cruiser better with beams then what really do we need a Vesta for?
I know people hate carriers but I still with it were possible they went with some of the ideas I had...I mean with what the wiki says about the Vesta...they are possible.
Look at the stats for the Orb:
30,000 hull
1.4 shield mod
1200 crew
3 Tac 3 Eng 4 Sci consoles
9 turn rate
Ens Tac, Lt. Cmdr Eng, Ens Sci, Cmdr Sci, Lt. Cmdr universal (would anyone use this for anything BUT Tac?)
Sure sounds like a good setup for the Escort/Cruiser/Sci hybrid that the Vesta is being made out to be. I'm sure it'll have slightly different boff setup but I doubt it'll be too much different.
Just to test it out I set it up my Orb Weaver with 2 single cannons+1 torp fore and 2 turrets+1 beam aft so I could still use SST, and it was passable. Even with DHC it wouldn't exactly be an Escort level powerhouse, but it would have more firepower than a regular Sci ship and be more survivable than an Escort, but not as tough as a Cruiser.
I'm not saying I don't want a Vesta, I do its a cool looking ship. But according to what your saying...what the ship is being specially built for other ships can do better. So really why build it then?
SST isn't that special, for it to be really affective you need flow capacitors and maybe some type of power drain behind it.
I know people don't like carriers but I've always like pets...and I know the odds are there won't be any hangers...just saying by the wiki it is possible for the ship to be a flight deck ship since it did have a flight deck ontop of also having a shuttle bay.
big difference
it has a standard shuttle bay , and an elevator for runabouts and larger shuttles leading into a hanger
its not like the atrox which has two distinct and visible flight decks , or the artimitage , which is also a through-deck carrier :rolleyes:
Rear Admiral , Engineering Division
U.S.S. Sheffield N.C.C. 92016
Yes there is, the Fleet Sci vessel retrofit, the Nova.
http://www.stowiki.org/Fleet_Science_Vessel_Retrofit
I'm speculating the Vesta....to be...one of the uglier ships when it makes it in-game.
Rear Admiral , Engineering Division
U.S.S. Sheffield N.C.C. 92016
"The ships' main shuttlebay was located on deck twelve. Behind the shuttlebay was a large flight deck, allowing small craft too large for the shuttle bay to land"
It says flight deck and that is straight from the wiki...if that is incorrect thats not my fault I'm just going by what I read.
I have plenty of KDF characters...more than I do feds. If that wiki did not say what it said I would of never even brought it up. But the wiki says flight deck so I'm allowed to dream and voice my own opinion am I not?
nowhere in the books is the vesta used as a carrier craft , ergo , it isnt .
besides , even going by what you linked , where does it mention fighters ?
' ships larger than a shuttlecraft ' is more likely going to mean shuttles belonging to dilomats , and first contact meetings held on-board ship
i know you'd like it to be a carrier mate , but seriously , it isnt
Rear Admiral , Engineering Division
U.S.S. Sheffield N.C.C. 92016
and mem-beta is still based on the wiki format , anyone can edit pages if they get permission
cant remember where , but someone did an interior for the hanger deck , with its complement of three runabouts , but thats all that was in it.
its like i said to him before , if the vesta is a carrier , that makes the galaxy a carrier , or the odyssey etc etc
Rear Admiral , Engineering Division
U.S.S. Sheffield N.C.C. 92016
Do the books specify dual cannons or just cannons (I've never read them)?
Because all ships can mount "cannons" in this game, just not Dual or Dual Heavy cannons.
Have the devs said that this ship will specifically be able to mount DC/DHCs?
Rear Admiral , Engineering Division
U.S.S. Sheffield N.C.C. 92016