What are the other people in galaxy doing sitting on their asses?
They've already been Exterminated.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
As for the different sexes for the new incarnations, genetics says that that would be easier, than the totally different looking doctors and such.
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I have an idea for what Season 11 should be; Season 11: The Big Bug Fix.
I have not been able to read my bug tickets in over a year, not even the tickets about not being able to see my tickets.
I find the drama of your signature proof of your immaturity, this means you, DR whiners.
Something I thought about the other day, and pretty much immediately came up with an answer to, but wondered if anyone else would share my opinion...
A Dalek's extermination ray would probably kill a drone or two, but their shields would soon adapt, as it's an energy weapon (with apparently one setting) So that would be advantage Borg. However. I don't think that the Borg would view Dalek (either creature or technology) as actually worth assimilating (wouldn't give them anything they don't already have) so I think the Borg would simply destroy the Daleks rather than wasting the resources for assimilation...
What do you think? Yay or nay?
Some one actually beat you to the punch dude. Ever heard of the section 31 files? (if not, go look them up, its an awesome audio series!)
Anyway, in the last episode of the section 31 files, the daleks escape into the star trek universe. The borg let them out. In the end, I'm pretty sure that they all die. But the borg do assimilate the daleks. The daleks in the end are still organic creatures. So in Dalek vs. Borg, borg win.
Some one actually beat you to the punch dude. Ever heard of the section 31 files? (if not, go look them up, its an awesome audio series!)
Anyway, in the last episode of the section 31 files, the daleks escape into the star trek universe. The borg let them out. In the end, I'm pretty sure that they all die. But the borg do assimilate the daleks. The daleks in the end are still organic creatures. So in Dalek vs. Borg, borg win.
That's a fan created audio series, it's not canonical
The Borg would never assimilate mutants anyway, no matter how good their tech is, the Daleks would detract from the perfection the Borg seek. Let's not discount the fact that they would also assimilate Dalek behaviour, which is to consider all other forms of life as inferior and destroy them
Some one actually beat you to the punch dude. Ever heard of the section 31 files? (if not, go look them up, its an awesome audio series!)
Anyway, in the last episode of the section 31 files, the daleks escape into the star trek universe. The borg let them out. In the end, I'm pretty sure that they all die. But the borg do assimilate the daleks. The daleks in the end are still organic creatures. So in Dalek vs. Borg, borg win.
No, now it's cannoniclly possibble, in fact prior to that there was no cannon on weather it was possibble. (Fans had been speculating for decades about it).
Unless of course you have a lost episode that says otherwise....
Cannonically its impossible (The "Corsair" must have had an operation or been more than one person)
Why do you think that? The Corsair was a Time Lord, introduced/referred to in The Doctor's Wife, and the Doctor specifically refered to the Corsair as having been both genders. That is the new canon, so it is cannonically possible for a Time Lord to change gender during regeneration...
The Borg would never assimilate mutants anyway, no matter how good their tech is, the Daleks would detract from the perfection the Borg seek. Let's not discount the fact that they would also assimilate Dalek behaviour, which is to consider all other forms of life as inferior and destroy them
How would the Borg know that they're mutants? What exactly makes a 'mutant' so terrible and undesirable to the Borg? Would the Borg not want to assimilate the X-Men because they're mutants? And that's not even considering that technically speaking, with all the mutations that each person carries, everyone literally is a mutant anyway. Just lacking in super powers. That diversity may also hold the key to help unlock 'perfection' so it's in the Borg's best interests to assimilate any such mutants they come across. Of all the sentient species the Borg have encountered, only one that we know of have been deemed completely pointless to assimilate. The Kazon have no technology of their own, no redeeming biological features, and no behaviours, knowledge or tactics that make them of interest. But that's still not that the Borg will actively avoid assimilating them, just that it's a waste of resources to hunt them or to put much effort into assimilating any of them. Every so often when a Borg ship encounters a Kazon ship, they probably still assimilate, if only to make sure that the Kazon haven't discovered something that may be of interest.
As for behaviour, the Borg assimilate virtually everyone and everything possible. They've never displayed any desire not to assimilate something because they're kind of unfriendly. Species 8472 wanted to kill everything that wasn't them. The Borg wanted nothing more than to assimilate them. The only time when an individual's behaviour has been shown to affect the Collective was with Hugh, which was reintergrating a drone, not assimilating a target. I'd say it's safe to say that any assimilated species would have their behaviour first surpressed, then analysed by the Collective, not intergrated outright. Otherwise the desire for perfection via assimilation probably would have been overwhelmed by all those with desires for not being assimilated. It's also likely that the Borg no longer simply bring a drone back in like they did with Hugh, that they would undergo the 'mental assimilation' process all over again to prevent the same sort of thing occuring.
its Genetically impossible for the Doctor to become Female
The Eleventh Doctor thought he had become female for a moment. Then there's the Corsair as already mentioned. The Ninth Doctor implies that a single head isn't a requirement post-regeneration. If you count the Audio books as canon being humanoid isn't necessary, which would fit with what the Ninth Doctor mentioned, as the Time Lord Zero regenerated into an avian lifeform. Romana clearly demonstrated that a Time Lord/Lady can have virtually complete control over their new appearance, using it to mimic Princess Astra's appearance and pointing out that if the Doctor had remained in the academy, he would have learnt how to control his as well. Romana also established that at the very least, they could pick skin colour, as one of the 'options' she displayed was a blue skinned humanoid. The Master as well showed control over his new appearance, and if Melody Pond's comment about focusing on a dress size, she could too even though she hadn't been through any sort of training like Romana and the Master.
So all things considered, even without the explicate statement that they can change genders if they so desire during regeneration, I'd still say it's quite possible for a Time Lord to do so.
The Borg would never assimilate mutants anyway, no matter how good their tech is, the Daleks would detract from the perfection the Borg seek. Let's not discount the fact that they would also assimilate Dalek behaviour, which is to consider all other forms of life as inferior and destroy them
Unfortunately that only holds up for TNG. VOY Borg assimilate anything in sight.
However good luck to the Borg getting their tubs through a shield that can melt bullets and disperse energy weapons, and through the Darlikanium shell underneath.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
Unfortunately that only holds up for TNG. VOY Borg assimilate anything in sight.
However good luck to the Borg getting their tubs through a shield that can melt bullets and disperse energy weapons, and through the Darlikanium shell underneath.
Actually, they don't assimilate everything in sight, only those species that add to their perfection, so 7 of 9 said in a VOY episode (can't remember which one though)
Consider, the Borg have ran into one nigh-unassimilable species (8421), and to score "final victory", Janeway "offered" her assistance with the battle.
We all know the Borg are single minded and all that, but their "advantage" in this battle might be that they aren't 100% against "getting help", especially considering their "adaptation" strategy now does have (somewhere, most likely very low in the considerations) a branch that says "help could work".
Therefore, at some point in the battle, especially if it does go "stalemate" - Borg heavy weaponry defeats Daleks, but can't assimilate due to armor/shields/etc., the "seek help" subroutine will trigger in the Borg somewhere and will seek out Janeway (or another unassimilated human) for assistance... :P
And we all know that Human Plotonium is capable of defeating anything that annoys it. Somehow, Borg adaptation destroys (or can't access) said plotonium... :P
Detecting big-time "anti-old-school" bias here. NX? Lobi. TOS/TMP Connie? Super-promotion-box. (aka the two hardest ways to get ships) Excelsior & all 3 TNG "big hero" ships? C-Store. Please Equalize...
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Borg vs Dalek, didn't this spin through as Dalek vs Cybermen?
Locutus of Borg: Species designated Dalek, be warned. You have declared war upon the Borg. Resistance is futile
Dalek Sec: This is not war - this is pest control!
Locutus of Borg: We are five million we are one. How many are you?
Dalek Sec: Four.
Locutus of Borg: Insignificant, You would destroy the Borg with four Daleks?
Dalek Sec: We would destroy the Borg with one Dalek! You superior in only one respect.
Locutus of Borg: What is that?
Dalek Sec: You are better at dying. Raise communications barrier!
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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We are the Dalek.
Your technology will be assimilated to better serve us.
Your biological components are irrelevant.
Resistance is futile.
You will be exterminated.
Then Daleks take control of the Hive and send their new Borgliks out to Assteminate the universe.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
In my mind, it comes down to two questions:
1: Can an assimilation tubule penetrate Dalekanium?
2: If Dalekanium can be pierced, would the nanoprobes take control before the self-destruct system activated?
If the answer to either of these questions is "No," then the Daleks would almost certainly emerge victorious. If both answers are "Yes," however, then the Borg would have a shot (unless the Daleks just went back in time and eliminated them from existence...).
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In my mind, it comes down to two questions:
1: Can an assimilation tubule penetrate Dalekanium?
2: If Dalekanium can be pierced, would the nanoprobes take control before the self-destruct system activated?
If the answer to either of these questions is "No," then the Daleks would almost certainly emerge victorious. If both answers are "Yes," however, then the Borg would have a shot (unless the Daleks just went back in time and eliminated them from existence...).
Well, given that you see Daleks in 'sleep mode' for lack of a better term, it seems that regardless, if a drone happened upon one, it'll have plenty of time to assimilate it.
Given that the Doctor (and others) can basically just flip the lid open on a Dalek, I don't see why a drone wouldn't be able to get inside. Unless jars are actually the Borg's greatest enemies.
How many Daleks have ever been shown to self-destruct as a result of some kind of infection, like the Movellan Virus? Or even capture? Would they really be immediately aware of what those nanoprobes are doing, or simply presume that as they are supreme, they shall be fine?
As for the nanoswarm, it'd be nanoprobe vs nanite, and there's far more nanoprobes in a Borg than Dalek nanites would be getting it. The Dalek nanites would likely be assimilated, which make then lead to something similar to Infected and Cure, with airborne nanoprobes.
The main weapons that the Dalek's would have against the Borg is their superior command of time travel, and weapons like the Crucible. Anything else, and the Borg will adapt.
Borg vs Dalek, didn't this spin through as Dalek vs Cybermen?
But Cybermen don't adapt :P Also comparitively speaking, they really suck at assimilation compared to the Borg, especially when it comes to assimilating knowledge and overriding a person's personality.
As for the nanoswarm, it'd be nanoprobe vs nanite, and there's far more nanoprobes in a Borg than Dalek nanites would be getting it. The Dalek nanites would likely be assimilated, which make then lead to something similar to Infected and Cure, with airborne nanoprobes.
I personally think this one, between Nanites, would be a draw or a Dalek win, considering that a Nanoswarm's job is to change anything, living or dead, into a Dalek puppet, and that a Nanoprobe can be reprogrammed by an EMH, I don't think a Nanoswarm would have all that much difficulty doing it as well
Given that the Doctor (and others) can basically just flip the lid open on a Dalek, I don't see why a drone wouldn't be able to get inside. Unless jars are actually the Borg's greatest enemies.
The docter et al have only been shown to be able to do that to damaged or disabled darlek's, an active darlek has a feild around it. s noted it's capable of vaporising stuff very quickly.
Anything else, and the Borg will adapt.
it's been shown that even with adapted sheilds, enough focused firepower will cause them to fail. If anyone can bring that much it's the daleks.
Overall i'd expect more of a stalemate, but the daleks would probably win in the end IMHO.
The docter et al have only been shown to be able to do that to damaged or disabled darlek's, an active darlek has a feild around it. s noted it's capable of vaporising stuff very quickly.
Usually yes, but there have been other times when a fully functional Dalek has been opened up by an enemy. Not in the new series as far as I know, but in the older series. First one that springs to mind is the Renegades vs Imperial Daleks, when Davros had his brainwashed humans open up Imperial Daleks so they could be converted to his side. It's worth noting I suppose, that he was also using cybernetics as part of the process, intergrating the Kaled mutant into the Dalek shell more completely
it's been shown that even with adapted sheilds, enough focused firepower will cause them to fail. If anyone can bring that much it's the daleks.
Overall i'd expect more of a stalemate, but the daleks would probably win in the end IMHO.
Well yes. I doubt a drone would be surviving a direct blast from a ship's cannon any time soon. Even cubes don't really seem to adapt to a ship's weapons. But whether or not a group of Daleks' gunsticks would be sufficient to be able to overpower any adaption. Their own capital ships are another matter entirely of course.
Also if you're basing it on the Enterprise episode Regeneration, then you can put the Borg's adaption being overcome by boosting the power of the phase pistols down to the simple fact that there were only a handful of drones to process the data for adaption.
In the end though, I do agree with you. The Daleks would probably win in the end, even without resorting to time travel or using the Crucible or any other ultimate weapons they had/have. Daleks are incredibly intelligent. They develop their own technology and are experienced in warfare far more than most races combined. If the Federation might be able to overcome the Borg, the Daleks should too. The Dalek's biggest hurdle would probably be their own hubris.
Nah the basing is down to the fact that we see this we cube sheilds in a voyager episode. Sheilds are sheilds, what applies to ship sheilds will apply to personal sheilds. The maion thing that makes me think the daleks could do it would be their littile AAA run in season 5 New series. Personal wepaons in ST have never shown themselves to be able to hit hard enough to reduce even a WW2 single engined aircraft to a fireball. Maybe knock it down yes, but not that level. That implies a peak capacity of staggering proportions by ST standards.
Considering The Cybermen in Assimilation2 are handing the Borg their arses on a plate, it seems that the Daleks could with a fraction of their forces.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
Indeed. In fact, there was a time when four Daleks could have conquered the Earth
Against Earth yes, but I get the impression that 4 up against 3 million Cybermen wouldn't have gone as well as Sec's posturing, that's why they needed the Genesis Ark.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
Against Earth yes, but I get the impression that 4 up against 3 million Cybermen wouldn't have gone as well as Sec's posturing, that's why they needed the Genesis Ark.
One shot from a Dalek finished them off, and Cybermen weaponry couldn't get through their forcefields
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They've already been Exterminated.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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I have an idea for what Season 11 should be; Season 11: The Big Bug Fix.
I have not been able to read my bug tickets in over a year, not even the tickets about not being able to see my tickets.
I find the drama of your signature proof of your immaturity, this means you, DR whiners.
Some one actually beat you to the punch dude. Ever heard of the section 31 files? (if not, go look them up, its an awesome audio series!)
Anyway, in the last episode of the section 31 files, the daleks escape into the star trek universe. The borg let them out. In the end, I'm pretty sure that they all die. But the borg do assimilate the daleks. The daleks in the end are still organic creatures. So in Dalek vs. Borg, borg win.
That's a fan created audio series, it's not canonical
Cannonically its impossible (The "Corsair" must have had an operation or been more than one person)
Unless of course you have a lost episode that says otherwise....
Unless you guys are talking about canon, which is a different thing entirely.
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How would the Borg know that they're mutants? What exactly makes a 'mutant' so terrible and undesirable to the Borg? Would the Borg not want to assimilate the X-Men because they're mutants? And that's not even considering that technically speaking, with all the mutations that each person carries, everyone literally is a mutant anyway. Just lacking in super powers. That diversity may also hold the key to help unlock 'perfection' so it's in the Borg's best interests to assimilate any such mutants they come across. Of all the sentient species the Borg have encountered, only one that we know of have been deemed completely pointless to assimilate. The Kazon have no technology of their own, no redeeming biological features, and no behaviours, knowledge or tactics that make them of interest. But that's still not that the Borg will actively avoid assimilating them, just that it's a waste of resources to hunt them or to put much effort into assimilating any of them. Every so often when a Borg ship encounters a Kazon ship, they probably still assimilate, if only to make sure that the Kazon haven't discovered something that may be of interest.
As for behaviour, the Borg assimilate virtually everyone and everything possible. They've never displayed any desire not to assimilate something because they're kind of unfriendly. Species 8472 wanted to kill everything that wasn't them. The Borg wanted nothing more than to assimilate them. The only time when an individual's behaviour has been shown to affect the Collective was with Hugh, which was reintergrating a drone, not assimilating a target. I'd say it's safe to say that any assimilated species would have their behaviour first surpressed, then analysed by the Collective, not intergrated outright. Otherwise the desire for perfection via assimilation probably would have been overwhelmed by all those with desires for not being assimilated. It's also likely that the Borg no longer simply bring a drone back in like they did with Hugh, that they would undergo the 'mental assimilation' process all over again to prevent the same sort of thing occuring.
The Eleventh Doctor thought he had become female for a moment. Then there's the Corsair as already mentioned. The Ninth Doctor implies that a single head isn't a requirement post-regeneration. If you count the Audio books as canon being humanoid isn't necessary, which would fit with what the Ninth Doctor mentioned, as the Time Lord Zero regenerated into an avian lifeform. Romana clearly demonstrated that a Time Lord/Lady can have virtually complete control over their new appearance, using it to mimic Princess Astra's appearance and pointing out that if the Doctor had remained in the academy, he would have learnt how to control his as well. Romana also established that at the very least, they could pick skin colour, as one of the 'options' she displayed was a blue skinned humanoid. The Master as well showed control over his new appearance, and if Melody Pond's comment about focusing on a dress size, she could too even though she hadn't been through any sort of training like Romana and the Master.
So all things considered, even without the explicate statement that they can change genders if they so desire during regeneration, I'd still say it's quite possible for a Time Lord to do so.
Unfortunately that only holds up for TNG. VOY Borg assimilate anything in sight.
However good luck to the Borg getting their tubs through a shield that can melt bullets and disperse energy weapons, and through the Darlikanium shell underneath.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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Actually, they don't assimilate everything in sight, only those species that add to their perfection, so 7 of 9 said in a VOY episode (can't remember which one though)
Star trek Universe would just be dead within a week.
Daleks vs. Borg (+ unassimilated Janeway)...
Consider, the Borg have ran into one nigh-unassimilable species (8421), and to score "final victory", Janeway "offered" her assistance with the battle.
We all know the Borg are single minded and all that, but their "advantage" in this battle might be that they aren't 100% against "getting help", especially considering their "adaptation" strategy now does have (somewhere, most likely very low in the considerations) a branch that says "help could work".
Therefore, at some point in the battle, especially if it does go "stalemate" - Borg heavy weaponry defeats Daleks, but can't assimilate due to armor/shields/etc., the "seek help" subroutine will trigger in the Borg somewhere and will seek out Janeway (or another unassimilated human) for assistance... :P
And we all know that Human Plotonium is capable of defeating anything that annoys it. Somehow, Borg adaptation destroys (or can't access) said plotonium... :P
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Locutus of Borg: Species designated Dalek, be warned. You have declared war upon the Borg. Resistance is futile
Dalek Sec: This is not war - this is pest control!
Locutus of Borg: We are five million we are one. How many are you?
Dalek Sec: Four.
Locutus of Borg: Insignificant, You would destroy the Borg with four Daleks?
Dalek Sec: We would destroy the Borg with one Dalek! You superior in only one respect.
Locutus of Borg: What is that?
Dalek Sec: You are better at dying. Raise communications barrier!
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Then ...
We are the Dalek.
Your technology will be assimilated to better serve us.
Your biological components are irrelevant.
Resistance is futile.
You will be exterminated.
Then Daleks take control of the Hive and send their new Borgliks out to Assteminate the universe.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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1: Can an assimilation tubule penetrate Dalekanium?
2: If Dalekanium can be pierced, would the nanoprobes take control before the self-destruct system activated?
If the answer to either of these questions is "No," then the Daleks would almost certainly emerge victorious. If both answers are "Yes," however, then the Borg would have a shot (unless the Daleks just went back in time and eliminated them from existence...).
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Well, given that you see Daleks in 'sleep mode' for lack of a better term, it seems that regardless, if a drone happened upon one, it'll have plenty of time to assimilate it.
Given that the Doctor (and others) can basically just flip the lid open on a Dalek, I don't see why a drone wouldn't be able to get inside. Unless jars are actually the Borg's greatest enemies.
How many Daleks have ever been shown to self-destruct as a result of some kind of infection, like the Movellan Virus? Or even capture? Would they really be immediately aware of what those nanoprobes are doing, or simply presume that as they are supreme, they shall be fine?
As for the nanoswarm, it'd be nanoprobe vs nanite, and there's far more nanoprobes in a Borg than Dalek nanites would be getting it. The Dalek nanites would likely be assimilated, which make then lead to something similar to Infected and Cure, with airborne nanoprobes.
The main weapons that the Dalek's would have against the Borg is their superior command of time travel, and weapons like the Crucible. Anything else, and the Borg will adapt.
But Cybermen don't adapt :P Also comparitively speaking, they really suck at assimilation compared to the Borg, especially when it comes to assimilating knowledge and overriding a person's personality.
I personally think this one, between Nanites, would be a draw or a Dalek win, considering that a Nanoswarm's job is to change anything, living or dead, into a Dalek puppet, and that a Nanoprobe can be reprogrammed by an EMH, I don't think a Nanoswarm would have all that much difficulty doing it as well
The docter et al have only been shown to be able to do that to damaged or disabled darlek's, an active darlek has a feild around it. s noted it's capable of vaporising stuff very quickly.
it's been shown that even with adapted sheilds, enough focused firepower will cause them to fail. If anyone can bring that much it's the daleks.
Overall i'd expect more of a stalemate, but the daleks would probably win in the end IMHO.
The Borg just cant compete with them.
Usually yes, but there have been other times when a fully functional Dalek has been opened up by an enemy. Not in the new series as far as I know, but in the older series. First one that springs to mind is the Renegades vs Imperial Daleks, when Davros had his brainwashed humans open up Imperial Daleks so they could be converted to his side. It's worth noting I suppose, that he was also using cybernetics as part of the process, intergrating the Kaled mutant into the Dalek shell more completely
Well yes. I doubt a drone would be surviving a direct blast from a ship's cannon any time soon. Even cubes don't really seem to adapt to a ship's weapons. But whether or not a group of Daleks' gunsticks would be sufficient to be able to overpower any adaption. Their own capital ships are another matter entirely of course.
Also if you're basing it on the Enterprise episode Regeneration, then you can put the Borg's adaption being overcome by boosting the power of the phase pistols down to the simple fact that there were only a handful of drones to process the data for adaption.
In the end though, I do agree with you. The Daleks would probably win in the end, even without resorting to time travel or using the Crucible or any other ultimate weapons they had/have. Daleks are incredibly intelligent. They develop their own technology and are experienced in warfare far more than most races combined. If the Federation might be able to overcome the Borg, the Daleks should too. The Dalek's biggest hurdle would probably be their own hubris.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
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Indeed. In fact, there was a time when four Daleks could have conquered the Earth
Against Earth yes, but I get the impression that 4 up against 3 million Cybermen wouldn't have gone as well as Sec's posturing, that's why they needed the Genesis Ark.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
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'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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One shot from a Dalek finished them off, and Cybermen weaponry couldn't get through their forcefields