Actually you are correct, I stand corrected - an apology to the Cryptic team, lol at least for this particular ship.
I got confused and was referring to the Luna Class creator.
My bad
His complaints are frankly very silly - the differences in the Luna are things he changed after the fact, as is his mirror Luna. His posts on older trek forums were satisfied with the original STO product, and his new designs are, by the nature of the contest he entered with the Luna, unlicensed derivatives. It's nice that he's continued to refine his design for so long after its already won, but to then butt heads with CBS, Cryptic, and looking through some of his posts even the book publishers for not taking his updates and still using the original design and their own modifications, over a design he no longer owns?
He needs to realize that only children actually act like the artists and architects in Ayn Rand books. In the real world, if you're selling a design and the client wants rights to the design, they want it because they want to change the design or have the option to change the design, and they don't want you changing it out from under them. The alternative is to try to sell your art in a gallery, in which case anything they might want changed they just won't show.
The Vesta is tied to Star Trek, even if Cryptic does have to pay a fee it cannot be much high since the design is chained to a IP, CBS as the IP holder have to authorize it, also we dont exactly know the internals of the original agreement.
The other ship not so much but that puts on a "fan made" ship, its not chained to the IP.
Well, it can be as high as the copyright holder cares to ask for it to be; but it appears in this case the parties are on very good terms and likely to reach agreements both can live with.
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Well, it can be as high as the copyright holder cares to ask for it to be; but it appears in this case the parties are on very good terms and likely to reach agreements both can live with.
strictly speaking , its been very quick in terms of turnaround , had the lawyers on both sides fought over it , it could have taken a lot longer
It's currently on hold! (long story) Will be finished in 2013. (Promise!)
Atm I have all my Trek projects on hold as I'm doing some concept art for Dr. Harold "Sonny" White.
btw I think Cryptic did an excellent job on the ship, it's dimensions are accurate, and they had the original model to spin around. The field of view on that screenshot might throw it a bit off. I always render the Vesta with at least a 35mm lens up to 85mm for forward shots. http://www.ewe-squad.com/vestathird.jpg
Hope you guys will enjoy it in STO! I'm off to get some sleep!
Great, lookin' forward to it, and even more to the Project Icarus renders. Good luck with 'em, and I hope they don't give you too many headaches!
geko just started implementing all that today according to twittah
hopefully it'll be decent enough turn-rate , although we know it should be soveriegn or better , they being similar mass and size
I'm happy that they start to make (and sell) new designs. BUT I think Vesta is not looking like other 2409 ships, there is too much difference. I would love them to make the ships more uniform, looking like the next step from TNG-era designs, not just nitpick some designs from here and there.
Ok, fans of various classes needs their fix to be happy, but make the 2409 Starfleet trully 2049 Starfleet. They currently look like some sort of flying exhibition - ships from all years, new designs share same skin (Type 6) but each follows more or less different design philosophy and are in most cases refits of old (30 years or more) designs. I think the only true new design was the Gladuis and it looked more like Homeworld ship.
Vesta looks like a mix of ENT-era nacelles and DS9 (in)famous kitbashes. The second one is Miranda with a little changed nacelles (colors) and point saucer.
God, start design STO ships. Star Trek Online ones.
According to the books, the Vesta-class was designed and put into service around 2380 as a test-bed for new tech like the slipstream drive so it's understandable that it doesn't fit with the other 2409 ships.
the whole reason for the vestas shape is the slipstream drive , but that hasn't carried over into sto , in the book version of events post nemesis , ships HAVE to have a certain hull geometry to use slipstream drive effectively. thats why when the breen capture plans for the drive , they have to completely rebuild the prototype ship they had half-built to accommodate the drive , because it'd never be able to function any other way
That has carried over to STO somewhat. Most ships can only maintain slipstream for at most a couple sectors. The Odyssey has special geometry to accommodate slipstream that lets it go twice as long. Presumably the Vesta will get the same thing. Not as strict as the requirements in the book, but still there.
the whole reason for the vestas shape is the slipstream drive , but that hasn't carried over into sto , in the book version of events post nemesis , ships HAVE to have a certain hull geometry to use slipstream drive effectively. thats why when the breen capture plans for the drive , they have to completely rebuild the prototype ship they had half-built to accommodate the drive , because it'd never be able to function any other way
rincy, take a breath brotha lol.. your making yourself sound like the official stalker/fanclub owner to the vesta class lol...
that being said, the ship we get and the ship in the book will probably be two different things. first of all cbs has to approve of what it is, and i can tell you they are not gonna want to make it better than the hero ships in canon ip. that being said, it will probably be cool and still be worthwhile to have ingame.
i am bothered though. not with the ship, but where the game seems to be headed. first we get "temporal" lockboxes with lots and oodles, and lots more "temporal things, such as ships, weapons, doffs, shuttles etc.
now it is my understanding that the vesta class has temporal capablilities, and the story line they put out there to tell us why wells classes are around kinda hinted that the tholians are TRIBBLE with the time line..
my concern is that we are headed for a temporal cold war or something, which sounds cool in theory, but usually ends up being cheesy in the end. i dont like time travel in the ip, and the idea of the temporal war is kinda a messy idea.
that being said, zindi would be cool in the game, however, id rather see sona...
It may soon become many folks favorite In-Game, if it preforms as well as the Oddy.
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You nailed it, half way I got the news about that seperation, so I had to come up with something both for Kirsten and for me to justify that. I worked out a timeline and a backstory to make such drastic changes more or less feasible. We are talking about a new interior and exterior layout for large (if not all) parts of the ship. I had to rethink my approach, and that's why there is no refit yet. However I could not share this information before the book was released, so I had to act busy! (I actually was busy anyway.)
I'm working on a new base shape for Voyager between other things.
Vesta was a workhorse, I had to keep multiple variants in mind, it has a semi modular build up. Voyager will be a more sculpted ship, I'm trying to minimize the bad angles on her so she can last for another 16 years.
so if it releases the day of season 7 realistically well see it in december.
not trying to be the debby downer, but every release (season based) has been historically around a month late. however, historically, c store items that were meant to go live with the season went live on schedule. or no more than a week late (if it wasnt cancelled.)
i personally think the vesta will be somewhat of a disapointment and underwealming to most sci guys. however, peeps who love the ship will find a way to make it work.. (not saying it will be lame, but its hard to top some of the recent sci ship additions without making it op...
my guess is it will have a decent boff layout, but lack the meanuverability a sci cap needs. i know its smaller than your normal cruiser, but you cant make it handle better than a wells, intrepid, or a nova, that would be silly.. lol...
it will probably appeal to non sci players more than sci player.as an engineer, it will probably make a good tank/support boat. that is strictly my guess. but we will see.
I've never been a big fan of the Vesta design, but if the BOff and console layout are good enough I'll probably move my Sci captain over from her Odyssey.
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His complaints are frankly very silly - the differences in the Luna are things he changed after the fact, as is his mirror Luna. His posts on older trek forums were satisfied with the original STO product, and his new designs are, by the nature of the contest he entered with the Luna, unlicensed derivatives. It's nice that he's continued to refine his design for so long after its already won, but to then butt heads with CBS, Cryptic, and looking through some of his posts even the book publishers for not taking his updates and still using the original design and their own modifications, over a design he no longer owns?
He needs to realize that only children actually act like the artists and architects in Ayn Rand books. In the real world, if you're selling a design and the client wants rights to the design, they want it because they want to change the design or have the option to change the design, and they don't want you changing it out from under them. The alternative is to try to sell your art in a gallery, in which case anything they might want changed they just won't show.
Well, it can be as high as the copyright holder cares to ask for it to be; but it appears in this case the parties are on very good terms and likely to reach agreements both can live with.
strictly speaking , its been very quick in terms of turnaround , had the lawyers on both sides fought over it , it could have taken a lot longer
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U.S.S. Sheffield N.C.C. 92016
Great, lookin' forward to it, and even more to the Project Icarus renders. Good luck with 'em, and I hope they don't give you too many headaches!
hopefully it'll be decent enough turn-rate , although we know it should be soveriegn or better , they being similar mass and size
Rear Admiral , Engineering Division
U.S.S. Sheffield N.C.C. 92016
now that one i like a lot more already
just the deflector still looks a bit odd to me
According to the books, the Vesta-class was designed and put into service around 2380 as a test-bed for new tech like the slipstream drive so it's understandable that it doesn't fit with the other 2409 ships.
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U.S.S. Sheffield N.C.C. 92016
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rincy, take a breath brotha lol.. your making yourself sound like the official stalker/fanclub owner to the vesta class lol...
that being said, the ship we get and the ship in the book will probably be two different things. first of all cbs has to approve of what it is, and i can tell you they are not gonna want to make it better than the hero ships in canon ip. that being said, it will probably be cool and still be worthwhile to have ingame.
i am bothered though. not with the ship, but where the game seems to be headed. first we get "temporal" lockboxes with lots and oodles, and lots more "temporal things, such as ships, weapons, doffs, shuttles etc.
now it is my understanding that the vesta class has temporal capablilities, and the story line they put out there to tell us why wells classes are around kinda hinted that the tholians are TRIBBLE with the time line..
my concern is that we are headed for a temporal cold war or something, which sounds cool in theory, but usually ends up being cheesy in the end. i dont like time travel in the ip, and the idea of the temporal war is kinda a messy idea.
that being said, zindi would be cool in the game, however, id rather see sona...
Has it anything to do with the saucer separation ability that the refit voyager has?
its hard to see where the separation point should be when you look at a cut away picture
http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100924203217/memoryalpha/en/images/7/77/USS_Voyager_cutaway_poster.jpg
but i'm sure you'll make it work
um how so ? all thats mentioned in a single book :rolleyes:
http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/Zero_Sum_Game
Rear Admiral , Engineering Division
U.S.S. Sheffield N.C.C. 92016
im just poking fun.. hehehe. i mean you are the most active person in this thread by double hahaha...
its my favorite shiiip :P
Rear Admiral , Engineering Division
U.S.S. Sheffield N.C.C. 92016
It may soon become many folks favorite In-Game, if it preforms as well as the Oddy.
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Which is currently scheduled for November. No exact date, but that's no surprise
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
You nailed it, half way I got the news about that seperation, so I had to come up with something both for Kirsten and for me to justify that. I worked out a timeline and a backstory to make such drastic changes more or less feasible. We are talking about a new interior and exterior layout for large (if not all) parts of the ship. I had to rethink my approach, and that's why there is no refit yet. However I could not share this information before the book was released, so I had to act busy! (I actually was busy anyway.)
I'm working on a new base shape for Voyager between other things.
Vesta was a workhorse, I had to keep multiple variants in mind, it has a semi modular build up. Voyager will be a more sculpted ship, I'm trying to minimize the bad angles on her so she can last for another 16 years.
Rear Admiral , Engineering Division
U.S.S. Sheffield N.C.C. 92016
not trying to be the debby downer, but every release (season based) has been historically around a month late. however, historically, c store items that were meant to go live with the season went live on schedule. or no more than a week late (if it wasnt cancelled.)
my guess is it will have a decent boff layout, but lack the meanuverability a sci cap needs. i know its smaller than your normal cruiser, but you cant make it handle better than a wells, intrepid, or a nova, that would be silly.. lol...
it will probably appeal to non sci players more than sci player.as an engineer, it will probably make a good tank/support boat. that is strictly my guess. but we will see.