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  • piwright42piwright42 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    neoakiraii wrote: »
    Sorry, but after the KDF went up to level 20, there have been more Klingons then ever before, back in the old days KDF side was a ghost town, and only the most hardcore players were on the KDF side, and those that maxed out their KDF in those days, they were truly the best PVPers in the game being s only way to level was PVP. The First city chat is not as bad as ESD yet, but it's no longer as dead as it once was.
    wazzagiow wrote: »
    lol so your telling every one in closed beta there was more klingons than there was after launch ? lol don't think i'd agree.... even if you said open beta i still wouldn't agree....

    the only thing you might have to kling-on to is after luanch you had to unlock klingon and it didn't take long to do that. so there was a klingon shortage for a day or 2, maybe even hours depending on how much time you had to play.

    there was alot of unhappy klingons.... that i'd agree with.

    You can repaint the history as you please I was there, in open beta and right after lunch. Heck I've been here ever since.

    Back when Perpetual held the license they did polls too. In those polls the KDF won out over the Romulans. That is why Cryptic ran with the KDF.

    There were many who were interested in the KDF, till they found out that it would be PvP only play, they left without ever playing. There were others who hung on, and produced the high instance numbers I recall in Open Beta and original launch. They saw how the faction really was back then and they left very shortly thereafter marking a significant mass exodus and the anemic population were are more familiar with.

    Thank all that be F2P brought in some new blood who were open minded enough to roll KDF when they got bored playing STFs as Feds and yes we have had a good swell to the population but still I have yet to see anywhere near the instance numbers for Qo'noS like there were right around initial launch.

    Edited to add: Then again they did increase the population per instance since then but I have a hard time imagining that the new per instance population being so high that eleven instances today are more than 50+ just around launch.

    Entire fleets left for cripes sake.
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  • kadieraskadieras Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    Same thing has happened among Romulan fans. Entire fleets of Romulans existed when the game launched. I think there MIGHT be one left.
    piwright42 wrote: »

    Entire fleets left for cripes sake.
    Like the Romulan Alliance System? Of course you do, it sounds fine to you because you aren't Romulans, you're FED or KDF who are going to make a Romulan alt, it makes a HUGE difference in perspective.
  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    kadieras wrote: »
    Same thing has happened among Romulan fans. Entire fleets of Romulans existed when the game launched. I think there MIGHT be one left.
    I think a lot of peeps got tired of pretending to play as Romulans. But I know several who still do. Heck I'm one of them.
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  • majesticmsfcmajesticmsfc Member Posts: 1,401 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    neoakiraii wrote: »
    must not be putting much money in the KDF, being Cryptic says KDF stuff don't sell as much as FED stuff

    Since the start of the game the KDF have gotten some stuff, it has come a long way since the start of STO if i got a Romulan faction, that is just like the KDF is right now, with the FE i would be a happy camper.

    The KDF is going to get content no matter what, it's only a matter of time, but it WILL happen. The Romulan Faction we have no clue if they are going to do it, since the start of the game all they say is yeah we might, sure down the road we might, if we do a faction it will be Romulan Blah Blah Blah. If they put the faction in then i would know cryptic is serious about this game growing beyond what it was when it started. I rather have them put the Romulan's before they "finish" the KDF, then i know they mean business. From my point of view as of right now all i know are, maybe's what if, and we might do it this way, nothing showing me they are going to do it, they are just trying to keep me and some others like me hoping so we don't leave.

    Don't get me wrong i want KDF content, but i want Romulans a lot more. (unless it's fingerless gloves, that i want more than anything)

    The Romulans will come mate, the Dev's wouldn't be asking in this poll or stating in Raptr's Q&A if they weren't entertaining the idea and seriously considering it. But as others have said in this thread if they did make it now, it would be a disaster worse than the KDF. They only need one season to polish off and bring the KDF up to what it needs to be, a 3 decent campaigns, some more species, costumes and ships and bang it's done. Then they can focus on the Romulans. The Rommie fans (myself included) need to be pacient. Give Cryptic 12 months, they are a small studio and they aren't the size of Blizzard for example, and they have had issues in the past with ownership and such. I am not excusing them for being lazy and doing everything in half measures. I like you and many others gave them my money and they have yet to deliever on what they promised.

    But bringing in a Romulan faction now would damage STO more than anything else. A good portion of KDF fans are ready to leave this game, sick of promised made for 2 years and yet whenever something new comes out it's either Federation or copy and paste Federation content that is as Klingon as a snail. Cryptic has lost a lot of Klingon players in the past and present and the future, unless something is done will be the same.

    Once the KDF is up the specs, you can be assured many KDF fans will jump on board and help you and other Romulan fans. I play both factions and I am all for equality between the factions and I too would love a Romulan faction (Hirogen ftw). Just let Cryptic finish what they started before making another mistake that could damage the game and put even more demand on Cryptic. If they can't develop two factions equally how on Earth, Qo'Nos, Romulus could they handle 3?
    warbird001 wrote: »
    Unfortunatly, this game is wrong in design. It should have been more developed and more variety added to factions, like this.

    Khitomer Accord
    - Federation
    - Klingon
    - Ferengi
    - Cardassian

    VS

    Typhon Pact
    - Romulan
    - Gorn
    - Breen
    - Tzenkethi

    I too are of that opinion. If they had followed the Typhoon Pact books (which came after the start of this game mind you) it would be a whole lot better. More organised too I think.
    I want to play Romulans just as much as the rest of you guys, but with that said we NEED more Klingon content/ships 1st to have that faction fully functional before just making another half complete faction added to the game. To add another faction to the game before finishing one that was supposed to be fully complete at the games launch would just be another epic fail. Please..Please flesh out the Klingon faction before introducing a 3rd faction.

    That is what the majority of us KDF fans are trying to get across. We too are for a Romulan faction after the KDF is completed to levels similar to the Federation, we understand we won't have as much as the Federation and we don't need to. We don't need 6 c-store ships that do the same and have almost the same specs. Quantity is a Fed thing, quality is a KDF thing. 1 ship to do the same as 6 is fine with us. But finish the KDF before starting the Romulans please Cryptic.

    I have over 7,000 Zen waiting for Klingon stuff to be released, please do something about that, give us some quality content.
    bloctoad wrote: »
    I suppose you'll be settling for no faction at all. Remember, you voted for Playable Romulans not Romulan Faction. Playable Romulans means a C-Store racial unlock for both KDF and Fed.

    Yes I also pointed that one out, but people have jumped the gun and believe it means faction. *shrugs shoulders* .
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  • piwright42piwright42 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    kadieras wrote: »
    Same thing has happened among Romulan fans. Entire fleets of Romulans existed when the game launched. I think there MIGHT be one left.

    Just remember I am not arguing against a RSE faction, I want one in game. What I have said from the start is the Cryptic should finish what they started before they bring in the RSE if for no other reason than to give the RSE the attention it flagrantly needs.

    Throughout the history of the franchise the RSE has had less ships, less episodes less development as antagonists and protagonists. While this plays to their favor when it comes to the lateral of developing storyline it does mean less costume options, less ships, less culture shown, in canon, on screen.

    The RSE will require full attention to capture their sophistication and mystique in a compelling manner. An incomplete KDF would be a distraction to any such endeavor.
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  • ltsmithltsmith Member Posts: 207 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    dastahl wrote: »
    Relax! We actually have a pretty good idea of what we are already doing and as much fun as this poll is, it is only representative of a small portion of our user base. There are many more players who will never vote on this poll. We take all of that into account as well as the huge amount of data we have on the back end when prioritizing our business.

    Not to say that this poll is meaningless, it does help us confirm our internal priority order, but it is not like this poll is dictating the master schedule. It is you voicing your concern over what is need most so we can ensure we're on the same page. So far, the voting is almost entirely what I expected (with the exception of Exploration)[/QUOTE]

    This is because our views change over time, but with this being said; It would also be nice to see an improvement in exploration. Although it will never be are high expectations like the exploration in the shows are.
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  • centersolacecentersolace Member Posts: 11,178 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    ltsmith wrote: »
    This is because our views change over time, but with this being said; It would also be nice to see an improvement in exploration. Although it will never be are high expectations like the exploration in the shows are.

    Though you could get pretty darn close if you really tried. There's a lot of ways we could introduce Non or Minor-Combat missions to STO.
  • kadieraskadieras Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    These two statements do not belong together. ;)
    The Rommie fans (myself included)

    (Hirogen ftw).
    Like the Romulan Alliance System? Of course you do, it sounds fine to you because you aren't Romulans, you're FED or KDF who are going to make a Romulan alt, it makes a HUGE difference in perspective.
  • sollafsollaf Member Posts: 164 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    dastahl wrote: »
    Unless plans change, November for both.

    We'll make sure you have cups, let nothing derail this! :)
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  • sollafsollaf Member Posts: 164 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    dastahl wrote: »
    Relax! We actually have a pretty good idea of what we are already doing and as much fun as this poll is, it is only representative of a small portion of our user base. There are many more players who will never vote on this poll. We take all of that into account as well as the huge amount of data we have on the back end when prioritizing our business.

    Not to say that this poll is meaningless, it does help us confirm our internal priority order, but it is not like this poll is dictating the master schedule. It is you voicing your concern over what is need most so we can ensure we're on the same page. So far, the voting is almost entirely what I expected (with the exception of Exploration)

    I think Exploration would be second on a lot of peoples lists. It is just low because we see things we want slightly more.


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  • ironeagledefenseironeagledefense Member Posts: 22 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    just going to do a quick little troll here, if anyone is having disconnect or Server not Responding messages, please post comments over here
    http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?p=5652951&posted=1#post5652951
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  • usscapitalusscapital Member Posts: 985 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    i would love to see new rare ships but only if textured correctly and not like the recent c-store ships that have more error's than i have had hot dinners . they seem rushed tbh not meaning to sound like i am not greatful and i love the regent but it needs the textures sorting (sorry not meant to cause offence)
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  • khayuungkhayuung Member Posts: 1,876 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    I'm a Fed, and I say MORE KDF content! The Romulans can wait! :p


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  • eagledracoeagledraco Member Posts: 340 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    Clearly The Foundry and PvP need to be reshuffled as side projects or back-burnered. What people want are more factions. Both Klingon and Romulan. And I'm hoping for Dominion & Cardassian after that.
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  • woerligenwoerligen Member Posts: 262 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    Maybe they add playable Romulans to the KDF faction (and the Federation).

    Win-win situation for everyone! :D
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  • daan2006daan2006 Member Posts: 5,346 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    woerligen wrote: »
    Maybe they add playable Romulans to the KDF faction (and the Federation).

    Win-win situation for everyone! :D

    no true romulan would be a part of the KDF and if that is the only way to get to play as a romulan dont add them at all then if you ask me
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    macronius wrote: »
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  • robeasomrobeasom Member Posts: 1,911 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    If Romulans are made a faction I can guarantee it will be less loved than KDF and a lot of missions will again be rehashed for yet a third faction. I say more KDF content finish off one faction before making a third one.

    AS it stands if Romulans are made I may just stick with KDF and my Fed toon until I decide if making a third character is worth my while
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  • zeuxidemus001zeuxidemus001 Member Posts: 3,357 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    robeasom wrote: »
    If Romulans are made a faction I can guarantee it will be less loved than KDF and a lot of missions will again be rehashed for yet a third faction. I say more KDF content finish off one faction before making a third one.

    AS it stands if Romulans are made I may just stick with KDF and my Fed toon until I decide if making a third character is worth my while

    In some ways it would be kind of pointless for them to make the romulan and whatever factions join fed or kdf we already have our fake romulan and cardassians and others from aliens LOL.

    Plus they might make like 2 missions and slap romulan star empire on it and then do missions you've already done and then they will call it a full faction LOL. After that they will make a bunch of fluff for money they are all about doing as little work as possible and hoping for a big pay day for being lazy.

    Atleast now they can quit calling us the 18% we are now the 21%!
  • szimszim Member Posts: 2,503 Arc User
    edited September 2012

    Atleast now they can quit calling us the 18% we are now the 21%!

    21% of the participants is not equal to 21% of the active players. Just like I wouldn't say that after introducing a Romulan faction there will be 28% playing it permanently.
  • daan2006daan2006 Member Posts: 5,346 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    szim wrote: »
    21% of the participants is not equal to 21% of the active players. Just like I wouldn't say that after introducing a Romulan faction there will be 28% playing it permanently.

    not to say any one with more then one account can Vote more then ones
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    macronius wrote: »
    This! Their ability to outdo their own failures is quite impressive. If only this power could be harnessed for good.
  • zeuxidemus001zeuxidemus001 Member Posts: 3,357 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    szim wrote: »
    21% of the participants is not equal to 21% of the active players. Just like I wouldn't say that after introducing a Romulan faction there will be 28% playing it permanently.

    It was mostly a joke there are more KDF players now than there ever have been before. Anyone who says otherwise never was around to where it was a surprise if you saw another KDF player in space, sector space, or in first city.

    daan2006 wrote: »
    not to say any one with more then one account can Vote more then ones

    For this game I doubt anyone would even bother doing it especially since for the trouble you would have to go through to make it look like you are a completely different person since they can see what IP all these votes are coming from its pretty safe to assume they are individual votes.
  • daan2006daan2006 Member Posts: 5,346 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    For this game I doubt anyone would even bother doing it especially since for the trouble you would have to go through to make it look like you are a completely different person since they can see what IP all these votes are coming from its pretty safe to assume they are individual votes.

    well with someone with 3 i know first hand it can be dun
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    macronius wrote: »
    This! Their ability to outdo their own failures is quite impressive. If only this power could be harnessed for good.
  • neoakiraiineoakiraii Member Posts: 7,468 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    piwright42 wrote: »
    You can repaint the history as you please I was there, in open beta and right after lunch. Heck I've been here ever since.

    Back when Perpetual held the license they did polls too. In those polls the KDF won out over the Romulans. That is why Cryptic ran with the KDF.

    There were many who were interested in the KDF, till they found out that it would be PvP only play, they left without ever playing. There were others who hung on, and produced the high instance numbers I recall in Open Beta and original launch. They saw how the faction really was back then and they left very shortly thereafter marking a significant mass exodus and the anemic population were are more familiar with.

    Thank all that be F2P brought in some new blood who were open minded enough to roll KDF when they got bored playing STFs as Feds and yes we have had a good swell to the population but still I have yet to see anywhere near the instance numbers for Qo'noS like there were right around initial launch.

    Edited to add: Then again they did increase the population per instance since then but I have a hard time imagining that the new per instance population being so high that eleven instances today are more than 50+ just around launch.

    Entire fleets left for cripes sake.

    I've been playing this game since beta days and there as never been more KDF till now, unless you have some data showing otherwise. As for the poll for Perpetual Entertainment...the poll was to play as Klingons in Star Fleet as part of the federation, and there would have been no KDF faction at all, since they would have still been allies under PE.

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  • thetruthurtsthetruthurts Member Posts: 22 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    Here is what I dont get: in the past they have told us that the forums absolutely do not represent the in game playerbase. So how do the results of a forum poll mean anything? Either we represent the playerbase or we dont. Either this poll means something or it doesnt. You cant have it both ways.
  • daan2006daan2006 Member Posts: 5,346 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    Here is what I dont get: in the past they have told us that the forums absolutely do not represent the in game playerbase. So how do the results of a forum poll mean anything? Either we represent the playerbase or we dont. Either this poll means something or it doesnt. You cant have it both ways.

    ive asked that same thing to think it was on page 37 i think
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    This! Their ability to outdo their own failures is quite impressive. If only this power could be harnessed for good.
  • docsnoopydocsnoopy Member Posts: 26 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    Looking at the numbers I read that (at this moment) more than 49% of the voters want something other than the Federation faction as focus of the next development. Interesting.
    What do the Ferengi say about possibilites and profit ?

    Can not understand why there is so much hate between KDF and Romulans. I have been playing both factions from beta and played KDF toons to max level just after available. Like many others I have done "the grind". I have many KDF toons (even more than Federation to be honest) and it would be nice to get more missions.
    But to be honest I would love to see more mission for all existing (and upcoming) factions.

    Maybe some faction specific as highlights - but please not just for one side. This will only extend the current situation of resentment. The leveling is fast enough to hit VA before you finish the current mission list. I would prefer more repeatable end-game content before we get a KDF lev5 mission that is done in 10 minutes.

    IMHO a perfect solution would be having one big mission list with factions specific options in each mission to choose for (diplomatic for Federation, fight for KDF, espionage for RSE). Or a Foundry-2-Offical-Mission program run by devs to migrate hundreds foundry mission to the official mission list and give it the "Official-Content" label. Just dreaming ...

    I support the idea of getting polls like this into the launcher, the start screen after login or somewhere between. Just make it visible for all people starting & playing STO.
  • piwright42piwright42 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    neoakiraii wrote: »
    I've been playing this game since beta days and there as never been more KDF till now, unless you have some data showing otherwise. As for the poll for Perpetual Entertainment...the poll was to play as Klingons in Star Fleet as part of the federation, and there would have been no KDF faction at all, since they would have still been allies under PE.

    http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Star_Trek_Online_%28Perpetual_Entertainment%29

    Cannot figure out what Klingon players you did play with. That is simply not how I recall it. As for your demand I produce numbers, you should ask Stahl. He's the one with the metrics. All I have are my memories and they differ from yours.

    So you want a RSE now no matter the cost. Few costume options, few race options, three ships, one maybe two missions, and about fifteen to twenty levels of play if the Devs use the featured episodes that were made for Feds and co-opted for KDF play.

    And you'll be willing to wait for your faction of choice to get fleshed out. Given Crytic's track record with the KDF and adding two no where near finished meals to their plate by way of popular player demand, you'll be waiting five or more years. Plus the new players that come behind you interested in RSE play will not be so gregarious about the situation. The feedback loop will just cycle over again with the only difference being two different squeaky wheels in place of one.
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  • linyivelinyive Member Posts: 1,086 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    All I know is that the fleetbase leveling is not sustaining my interests. If it was not for finding a deeply passionate fleet, I would have taken a very long hiatus. Regardless about how many playable items, ships, and species they add, the endgame lacks serious context and purpose.

    "Star Trek: Online's" endgame needs:
    (1) Storyline context.
    (2) Single-player featured episodes.
    (3) Fleetbase featured episodes
    (4) More character leveling.
    (5) More character ranks.
    (6) Some kind of overall revelation that coexists with a storyline.

    "Star Trek: Online" needs the following overall:
    (1) Ability to exchange fleet marks for fleet credits as a single player.
    (2) Ability to buy items with fleet credits as a single player.
    (3) Ability to play more fleet marks missions as a single player.
    (4) Ability to buy stf elite gear with the encrypted data chips.
    (5) Ability to build a fleet base at a steady pace with only five players.
    (6) More stfs to kill the sense of repetition.
    (7) More ground fleet marks missions.
    (8) Reduced resource requirements for fleetbase building and stf gear gathering.
    (9) 'Slightly' toned down difficulty setting for elite stfs. Cure bosses specifically.
    (10) Bug fixes for stfs, fleet marks missions, Nukera, and Defera.
    (11) At least five account wide bank slots for silver players.
    (12) Fleshed out Klingon faction.
    (13) New playable species.
    (14) Ability to arm at least one of your bridge officers with two weapons.
    (15) Ability to sort duty officers, found in the exchange, according to their skills.
    (16) Bajoran style revamp of Risa, Vulcan, Andoria, and possibly a Romulan home world.
    (17) More social zones with daily missions.
    (18) Ability to give out minor rewards in foundry missions.

    Out of everything everyone has listed, the bugs in this game need to be fixed.
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