You don't see Protoss buildings spawning Zerglings. Factions and their respective tech/abilities must remain distinct or factions become obsolete and the gameplay closer to Farmville pointless. But of course Feds will receive Plasmonic Leech as Dan Stahl hates Klingons.
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this might anger people but i spend a good amount of money here and i would jump at the chance to spend many dollard just to get a Plasmonic leech console for Federation:cool:
but I feel that my fed chars get the most shiny stuff while my kdf ones get the junk.
Edit: I think we need to make a list of consoles the KDF really doesn't need
I have to agree with some of you feelings ^^
It would be a lot more acceptable if the KDF got a fair trade off with the Feds when it comes to cross consoles, or something that actually makes sense as a trade.
E.g. Theta radiation cloud could have been paired with Metreon cloud. (unfortunately theta is paired already)(and metreon is to me seems more fed explained lower down)
Or something that's an equal trade of "Over powered-ness" e.g. the consoles that each side complain are OP and need nerfing. example, aeceton assimilator being traded for AMS
I do think however a point has to be made about things that MUST REMAIN faction dependent, something that in the world of star trek we wouldnt/shouldnt see a faction using, (a silly example being if there was ever a thalaron console, this would never be used by the federation), Frankly in case and point of plasmonic leech the very notion of the console sounds like something a 'villan'/'anti hero' character would use, the Federation are supposed to be good little students, while the KDF throws some rules of conduct in the bin ^^.
Like ionised gas sensor, that i would class as Federation specific, the KDF wouldnt mess around with such trival things.. and ablative armor that seems more fed, (something of a similarity could be introduced for KDF though ) And metreon cloud, that was labeled the riker maneuver, they are more federation tactics ^^
Plus you have to think about ship specific consoles, again with ablative, its only for the intrepid refit, for KDF that would take a unique console and make it free for all.
A few examples of what i think are acceptable to be on both factions go like:
Barrier generator
enhanced plasma manifold
subspace jumper (but some kind of limitation put on it) like the bigger the ship a chance to fail introduced
Ablative hull (maybe a KDF rename)
Somethings like Impulse Capacitance Cell are silly to give the the KDF, i would never see a kdf ship turn tail and run like that.
As for point defence i've never seen the appeal for either factions, so meh to that
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I'm not a big fan of the whole cross faction console availability, but it's here to stay so I have to live with it. One way to make the "loss" of faction consoles more bearable is to reduce their effectiveness on non-original faction ships. So the leech console would either not proc as much, wouldn't drain as much or buff power as much. Maybe give cross faction consoles a straight .75 modifier on effects, or something. So yeah, Feddies might get our consoles but we'll still be best at using them, which makes more sense anyway.
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I'm not a big fan of the whole cross faction console availability, but it's here to stay so I have to live with it. One way to make the "loss" of faction consoles more bearable is to reduce their effectiveness on non-original faction ships. So the leech console would either not proc as much, wouldn't drain as much or buff power as much. Maybe give cross faction consoles a straight .75 modifier on effects, or something. So yeah, Feddies might get our consoles but we'll still be best at using them, which makes more sense anyway.
I kinda like that idea , that would make the cross faction a consolation for players who are in a faction but want a console from the other, but without having thier cake and eating it, we all cant be captain janeway after all
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Somethings like Impulse Capacitance Cell are silly to give the the KDF, i would never see a kdf ship turn tail and run like that.
Actually they do, that's what BoPs are made for if you watch DS9. The fact that the KDF uses this console isn't an issue, the problem is that it's an average console you might consider as a device. It's a deterium burn turned into a console, and I'm not sure that all the devs ever think to the fact that if we have to give up on a sci/eng console it has to be worth it. This one is just an improved non-consumable device. Again, a poor console.
For the ablative module, I don't think it would be an unfair trade, it would be a 15s immunity for a permanent +10 or +20 power level bonus. Yes it's a unique fed console but it's also scaled to what the Fed could get in return.
Again, I'm not completely opposed to cross-faction consoles, since I enjoy some of the KDF ones a lot on my fed chars, but I'd like to get something good enough to remove one of my precious regular consoles on my raptor. I know this cross-console stuff isn't that good for the long-term on the game, since it removes some reasons to play the other factions but I'm not sure it's a priority anyway.
But of course Feds will receive Plasmonic Leech as Dan Stahl hates Klingons.
Which is why I have no respect for the man, he breaks promises, puts his own personal views into this game as if it's being made for him and is down right corrupt (look at the ask cryptic, he chooses all the questions).
Sorry Dan but, just calling it as I see it. Want to prove me wrong? Start treating the KDF and it's fans, your customers, with more respect and equality. Stop giving the crying Federation players (not all are like that I know) everything they whine about and start producing a game that would make us all proud, with factions that are equal not based on your likes/dislikes and the demands of little fan-boys who are like 5 years ol crying to their mummy.
Support the Game by Supporting the KDF, equality and uniqueness for all factions!
Hey now, the Feds point defense console works GREAT in the vault for clearing fighter spam, so it's not entirely useless.
Unfortunately I may have to roll a Fed PvP toon if the leech goes Fed just so I can use all the cool KDF toys because they're SO FREEKING CHEAP to the other faction. Wo knows, IF they give the leech to the Feds it MAY kill PvP and the KDF in one swipe (what DS wants' right?) so there won't be a reason for me to play at all.
Do you remember when Stahl was fresh and new, even before he was the executive producer? Back when he and Jackalope played KDF every day and were all about the KDF...
What happened to that Stahl who came into the KDF forums, waded into those early KDF forum fires and proclaimed that great things were in the pipe and his actions would speak for him.
Do you remember that guy?
I remember quite a few nice things came to the KDF for a bit, and then those windfalls drizzled out.
What happened to that brave soul? He was kinda cool. Woulda been nice if he could have followed through on more of those words he said.
Alas, it seems we are left to quote Poe's raven, "Never more."
Edited to add:
Stahl do you remember in those early days I said I would put down my pitch fork and torch, and I did. I even championed for you. I have grown quiet in my disillusion, yet I think I have started to find my voice again.
Do you still play the KDF?
Do you see the population?
Do you see that the metrics are only statistics and statistics can lie?
Is it not time to allow the small faction to provide a better revenue pipe, even if it is still smaller than the Feds?
We have come once again full circle Mr. Stahl, back to the field of dreams. This is true for the KDF as it is for PvP, If you build it, if you make it novel, if you find ways to keep it balanced, we will play it.
If you are a pickle in a pickle jar you know every pickle's different, sort of, but really they're all just pickles...
I see a lot of federation players whining about the KDF leech console.
Have they noticed the MACO shields also give their ships power?
Plasmonic leech is +1 per weapon per activation
MACO shield is +2 per activation.
Both have the same timer duration.
The difference? KDF gets the power bonus by shooting, feds by getting shot AT.
...and the fact that the federation gets the STF MACO shield for FREE while KDF has to BUY a ship to get it.
The leech cannot be given to the federation unless the maco shield or a similar shield is given to the KDF. Otherwise one side would have the ability to double-stack power bonuses.
Can you imagine how overpowered a federation ship would be with +40 power gain by using both of these? Ridiculous.
yes this ty ^
This is what i mean that if u share leech console it will be the end of KDF.
Even feds wont like it being so much OP with 125 125 110 110 powers
I mean whats the reason for a subsystem power to exist if they are all maxed out?
So wrong thats what i have been saying but besides how much wrong and OP this will be one or two feds came in and said that its the right thing to give the console to federation LOL
From this only you understand how much whining scumbags some federation dudes are.
Not grown up at all not logical at all not FAIR at all.
Now if this was my game i would ban those 2 feds that asked to get leech console along with maco shields for extreme unfair balance destroying propusing ideas.
You don't see Protoss buildings spawning Zerglings. Factions and their respective tech/abilities must remain distinct or factions become obsolete and the gameplay closer to Farmville pointless. But of course Feds will receive Plasmonic Leech as Dan Stahl hates Klingons.
ow RLY?
Tell Dan Stahl that some parts from hes car are bought by my money
Maybe this helps so he like us more ?
Also tell him to come down here and answer my question also asap.
Because if some1 doesnt answer us if company is planning to share our leech console via lockboxes then you wont be getting any money at all from me and most of the klingons that are aware of this major issue.
Also day by day i inform all the klingon in game about this so they know and dont waste more money in a faction that you might plan to kill.
Danny why do u hate us?
Isnt it better to keep us balanced and not underpowered so we can keep on entertaining ur federation friends?
Even feds will get bored of us if they got leech+maco shields....
I dont want to flame things up but before i spent a single euro or a dollar on this game ever again i must know if balance will be preserved
Yeah I remember all that. Sadly.
Dan " The man who had a plan " Stahl in the old days.
I think I'm gonna simply refer to the less-specific Cryptic, PWE, Fed fans, noobs, newbs, nuubs, fanatic, etc in my rants.
The direct Personal attacks do not seem to work to our advantage, if one looks at the history of our grieviances over the years.
but yeah, I'm angry at the slow growth of the faction and its assets.
I also remember being told that PWE had our best at heart with open arms, full faction play.
SO much for PWE wanting a full KDF faction....
Still the fight must go on. Make a noise so they know we exist. Show them we want fullness of content, both story and filler tech.
Dan " The man who had a plan " Stahl in the old days.
I don't think Dan has very much leeway these days. I'm sure he can offer his opinions on stuff but, as your sig used to say, it's not-so-Perfect World that calls the shots.
And you're right, making noise is pretty much all we can do now. Hopefully the KDF will be the squeaky wheel as opposed the the nail that sticks out. Only time will tell which it is.
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Well if I was Stahl I would ignore such threads with 1 posts out of two consisting in mere bashing. If you could stop that we might go somewhere and get some attention for the KDF. At least try to prove that you're more mature than the average player whinning on the forum all day long for random TRIBBLE (my sovereign sucks, my console isn't op, I can't buy the jemmie ship, etc). Use your reason, not your heart, if you want to convince cryptics management. And never forget to vote with your wallet.
For instance, it would be nice to boycott the racing costume if you want a KDF one next time. It's a bit off topic but that's the kind of behaviour that may be carefully watched. And of course, don't forget to say it POLITELY without any anger on the forums.
Well if I was Stahl I would ignore such threads with 1 posts out of two consisting in mere bashing. If you could stop that we might go somewhere and get some attention for the KDF. At least try to prove that you're more mature than the average player whinning on the forum all day long for random TRIBBLE (my sovereign sucks, my console isn't op, I can't buy the jemmie ship, etc). Use your reason, not your heart, if you want to convince cryptics management. And never forget to vote with your wallet.
For instance, it would be nice to boycott the racing costume if you want a KDF one next time. It's a bit off topic but that's the kind of behaviour that may be carefully watched. And of course, don't forget to say it POLITELY without any anger on the forums.
Funny Roach made the same comment on one of my threads over a month ago - yeah he holds to his high principles
I felt at the time like responding that he should set an example and change his "bitmepwe" name as a start!
Oh and those 2 Fed ships ARE coming soon + I have it on good source that :
A)the Fed will not get another cloak
The particale burst will be increased to a more useful 10km from the current 5:D (frankly it should be 50!! exposing any cloaked ships close on the map not just in weapons range(10km)
Well if I was Stahl I would ignore such threads with 1 posts out of two consisting in mere bashing. If you could stop that we might go somewhere and get some attention for the KDF. At least try to prove that you're more mature than the average player whinning on the forum all day long for random TRIBBLE (my sovereign sucks, my console isn't op, I can't buy the jemmie ship, etc). Use your reason, not your heart, if you want to convince cryptics management. And never forget to vote with your wallet.
For instance, it would be nice to boycott the racing costume if you want a KDF one next time. It's a bit off topic but that's the kind of behaviour that may be carefully watched. And of course, don't forget to say it POLITELY without any anger on the forums.
This is why I focus most of my 'whining' onto the BoP/Raptor issues, because that's ultimately what I care about in this game at this time.
My PvP toon is Krov, of The House of Snoo. Beware of my Hegh'ta of doom.
Both the Heavy Bop which I use on 3 toons and the Raptor on another out-perform any Fed non-cstore ship - what is the whining about?
It's not really whining its the fact that the status of c-store +1 ships and their consoles at first were great to have and now they pretty much have no advantages to buying them except for a few on KDF side but I cannot see myself really buying the federation ones since they just feel like fluff.
The underlying issue with the KDF and as fed players just call it QQ or whining is the attempt to hold onto what little uniqueness we have left. We pretty much first lost carriers as it was told to the KDF population they would always be unique to the KDF which was less than truthful then for the most part the uniquness of 2 of our c-store +1 consoles the feds can just buy on exchange and now the talk about giving the feds the plasmonic leach because they want it they will get it that will no longer be unique. After that of course we will lose the battle cloak and at that point we will have nothing left that makes the KDF unique. It's really just a push to keep holding out on something and then when sales get low they will cannibalize the KDF for every possible dollar they can make before abandoning future development for the game as a WHOLE since they have already abandoned the KDF.
I have tried many times to get my name changed, so far its more trouble than results.
So if the devs or moderators want to change my current name back to Roach in the forums, I will not complain.
It's not really whining its the fact that the status of c-store +1 ships and their consoles at first were great to have and now they pretty much have no advantages to buying them except for a few on KDF side but I cannot see myself really buying the federation ones since they just feel like fluff.
The underlying issue with the KDF and as fed players just call it QQ or whining is the attempt to hold onto what little uniqueness we have left. We pretty much first lost carriers as it was told to the KDF population they would always be unique to the KDF which was less than truthful then for the most part the uniquness of 2 of our c-store +1 consoles the feds can just buy on exchange and now the talk about giving the feds the plasmonic leach because they want it they will get it that will no longer be unique. After that of course we will lose the battle cloak and at that point we will have nothing left that makes the KDF unique. It's really just a push to keep holding out on something and then when sales get low they will cannibalize the KDF for every possible dollar they can make before abandoning future development for the game as a WHOLE since they have already abandoned the KDF.
Keep the thought in mind that levi3 may be in the thread purely for entertainment value.
Keep the thought in mind that levi3 may be in the thread purely for entertainment value.
Yes and no - I understand the KDf players concerns completely - they have been perhaps lied to - definitly mislead - they have been left behind compared to Fed development
and on and on and on
Bottom line is that Cryptic DOES NOT CARE! They have shown this through their actions or lack of actions for a very long time- sorry to break the bad news but no amount of whinning or complaining or "keeping up the fight" is going to change that.
Cryptic will go where the money is - the big money - and the big money is on the FED side - it's that simple and that is no lie.
And personally I love the Heavy Bop and Raptor - they are pretty much on par with most of the T5 +1 Fed ships - anyone who says otherwise is crazy.
Despite the realities of money, business, etc., in agreement with bitemepwe, giving up is not at option.
With all of the fury over the leech rumor (still unsubstantiated) we are probably at some sort of breaking point, at least I hope so. Let's see what the next 1-2 week holds.
But the KDF giving up in the face of the opposition--not at chance.
Despite the realities of money, business, etc., in agreement with bitemepwe, giving up is not at option.
With all of the fury over the leech rumor (still unsubstantiated) we are probably at some sort of breaking point, at least I hope so. Let's see what the next 1-2 week holds.
But the KDF giving up in the face of the opposition--not at chance.
I don't know - you can keep up this rant but it seems to go no-where
I have the dev's respond to my threads - and my posts personally many times - even on the weekend - a dev has responded to me in one of my threads - of course never in the KDF section
I suspect the KDF section is never visited by the Dev's - well? Are you out there?
1- I don't think the genre of this thread is rightly called a "rant." I admit, some of my KDF friends are engaging in rant. Okay, but embedded within that rant are genuine complaints that need to be addressed. The community moderators have obviously given this thread (and the one that was closed) some attention, and I think some of us hope that the devs will take note. I would refer to these threads more properly as protests from upset customers, who feel like they are being neglected, at best, and misled at worst. Most business have "comment" cards or boxes; the forums are the digital equivalent.
2- I still don't think this kind of protest is hopeless. Did you notice, for instance, that Soriedem--one of the lead figures at Gates of Stovokor--has recently been added to the Priority One team. He will be contributing a weekly blog: http://priorityonepodcast.com/wordpress/priority-one-podcast-episode-93-electric-shenanigans/. I would not be surprised if Priority One begins to pay a bit more attention to the KDF side, with the addition of Soriedem. But we will see.
This is a significant new platform for the KDF, because, if history is any indication of the future, Priority One will continue to have the ear of the devs, at least to some degree. This is a positive step in the right direction and will give the KDF a new channel of influence.
Yes and no - I understand the KDf players concerns completely - they have been perhaps lied to - definitly mislead - they have been left behind compared to Fed development
and on and on and on
Bottom line is that Cryptic DOES NOT CARE! They have shown this through their actions or lack of actions for a very long time- sorry to break the bad news but no amount of whinning or complaining or "keeping up the fight" is going to change that.
Cryptic will go where the money is - the big money - and the big money is on the FED side - it's that simple and that is no lie.
And personally I love the Heavy Bop and Raptor - they are pretty much on par with most of the T5 +1 Fed ships - anyone who says otherwise is crazy.
KDF money is money. It may not be the river that Fed money is, but a brook can still irrigate.
I don't know - you can keep up this rant but it seems to go no-where
I have the dev's respond to my threads - and my posts personally many times - even on the weekend - a dev has responded to me in one of my threads - of course never in the KDF section
I suspect the KDF section is never visited by the Dev's - well? Are you out there?
And we've had Dan Stahl respond to our KDF threads, what's your point? I've talked to many Devs in game chat. I had a question answered in "Ask Cryptic." I've had Devs quote my posts and directly respond to them. Trust me bro it means NOTHING more than community relations.
Superlink used to pull stuff like this you know. First it was the Devs read his posts, then he talked to the Devs, then it was he's friends with the Devs, then he had secret inside info from reliable sources, then he was the Devs, then he was gone.
Don't be Superlink.
If you are a pickle in a pickle jar you know every pickle's different, sort of, but really they're all just pickles...
I do wonder to what degree the devs actually read the KDF posts. And I think that KDF/dev relations would certainly be improved if we received, at least every once and a while, some kind of response, so that we know we are not shouting into nothingness.
It is unfortunate that the only response this leech conversation has evoked from someone even remotely official is a ban from one of the community moderators. The moderator was right to call attention to the problems in the thread, but let's hope to Kahless that Cryptic can at least show us some respect by responding to some of these recent issues.
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Al Rivera hates Klingons
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All cloaks should be canon.
Actual real solution make the leach give the exact same stack to fed as the maco, that way it will only stack to +10 if they have both.
No because then you'd have to make the MACO cost zen.
I have to agree with some of you feelings ^^
It would be a lot more acceptable if the KDF got a fair trade off with the Feds when it comes to cross consoles, or something that actually makes sense as a trade.
E.g. Theta radiation cloud could have been paired with Metreon cloud. (unfortunately theta is paired already)(and metreon is to me seems more fed explained lower down)
Or something that's an equal trade of "Over powered-ness" e.g. the consoles that each side complain are OP and need nerfing. example, aeceton assimilator being traded for AMS
I do think however a point has to be made about things that MUST REMAIN faction dependent, something that in the world of star trek we wouldnt/shouldnt see a faction using, (a silly example being if there was ever a thalaron console, this would never be used by the federation), Frankly in case and point of plasmonic leech the very notion of the console sounds like something a 'villan'/'anti hero' character would use, the Federation are supposed to be good little students, while the KDF throws some rules of conduct in the bin ^^.
Like ionised gas sensor, that i would class as Federation specific, the KDF wouldnt mess around with such trival things.. and ablative armor that seems more fed, (something of a similarity could be introduced for KDF though
Plus you have to think about ship specific consoles, again with ablative, its only for the intrepid refit, for KDF that would take a unique console and make it free for all.
A few examples of what i think are acceptable to be on both factions go like:
Barrier generator
enhanced plasma manifold
subspace jumper (but some kind of limitation put on it) like the bigger the ship a chance to fail introduced
Ablative hull (maybe a KDF rename)
Somethings like Impulse Capacitance Cell are silly to give the the KDF, i would never see a kdf ship turn tail and run like that.
As for point defence i've never seen the appeal for either factions, so meh to that
I kinda like that idea
Actually they do, that's what BoPs are made for if you watch DS9. The fact that the KDF uses this console isn't an issue, the problem is that it's an average console you might consider as a device. It's a deterium burn turned into a console, and I'm not sure that all the devs ever think to the fact that if we have to give up on a sci/eng console it has to be worth it. This one is just an improved non-consumable device. Again, a poor console.
For the ablative module, I don't think it would be an unfair trade, it would be a 15s immunity for a permanent +10 or +20 power level bonus. Yes it's a unique fed console but it's also scaled to what the Fed could get in return.
Again, I'm not completely opposed to cross-faction consoles, since I enjoy some of the KDF ones a lot on my fed chars, but I'd like to get something good enough to remove one of my precious regular consoles on my raptor.
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Which is why I have no respect for the man, he breaks promises, puts his own personal views into this game as if it's being made for him and is down right corrupt (look at the ask cryptic, he chooses all the questions).
Sorry Dan but, just calling it as I see it. Want to prove me wrong? Start treating the KDF and it's fans, your customers, with more respect and equality. Stop giving the crying Federation players (not all are like that I know) everything they whine about and start producing a game that would make us all proud, with factions that are equal not based on your likes/dislikes and the demands of little fan-boys who are like 5 years ol crying to their mummy.
Unfortunately I may have to roll a Fed PvP toon if the leech goes Fed just so I can use all the cool KDF toys because they're SO FREEKING CHEAP to the other faction. Wo knows, IF they give the leech to the Feds it MAY kill PvP and the KDF in one swipe (what DS wants' right?) so there won't be a reason for me to play at all.
:eek:
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Now shaddup about the queues, it's a BUG
Do you remember when Stahl was fresh and new, even before he was the executive producer? Back when he and Jackalope played KDF every day and were all about the KDF...
What happened to that Stahl who came into the KDF forums, waded into those early KDF forum fires and proclaimed that great things were in the pipe and his actions would speak for him.
Do you remember that guy?
I remember quite a few nice things came to the KDF for a bit, and then those windfalls drizzled out.
What happened to that brave soul? He was kinda cool. Woulda been nice if he could have followed through on more of those words he said.
Alas, it seems we are left to quote Poe's raven, "Never more."
Edited to add:
Stahl do you remember in those early days I said I would put down my pitch fork and torch, and I did. I even championed for you. I have grown quiet in my disillusion, yet I think I have started to find my voice again.
Do you still play the KDF?
Do you see the population?
Do you see that the metrics are only statistics and statistics can lie?
Is it not time to allow the small faction to provide a better revenue pipe, even if it is still smaller than the Feds?
We have come once again full circle Mr. Stahl, back to the field of dreams. This is true for the KDF as it is for PvP, If you build it, if you make it novel, if you find ways to keep it balanced, we will play it.
yes this ty ^
This is what i mean that if u share leech console it will be the end of KDF.
Even feds wont like it being so much OP with 125 125 110 110 powers
I mean whats the reason for a subsystem power to exist if they are all maxed out?
So wrong thats what i have been saying but besides how much wrong and OP this will be one or two feds came in and said that its the right thing to give the console to federation LOL
From this only you understand how much whining scumbags some federation dudes are.
Not grown up at all not logical at all not FAIR at all.
Now if this was my game i would ban those 2 feds that asked to get leech console along with maco shields for extreme unfair balance destroying propusing ideas.
ow RLY?
Tell Dan Stahl that some parts from hes car are bought by my money
Maybe this helps so he like us more ?
Also tell him to come down here and answer my question also asap.
Because if some1 doesnt answer us if company is planning to share our leech console via lockboxes then you wont be getting any money at all from me and most of the klingons that are aware of this major issue.
Also day by day i inform all the klingon in game about this so they know and dont waste more money in a faction that you might plan to kill.
Danny why do u hate us?
Isnt it better to keep us balanced and not underpowered so we can keep on entertaining ur federation friends?
Even feds will get bored of us if they got leech+maco shields....
I dont want to flame things up but before i spent a single euro or a dollar on this game ever again i must know if balance will be preserved
Dan " The man who had a plan " Stahl in the old days.
I think I'm gonna simply refer to the less-specific Cryptic, PWE, Fed fans, noobs, newbs, nuubs, fanatic, etc in my rants.
The direct Personal attacks do not seem to work to our advantage, if one looks at the history of our grieviances over the years.
but yeah, I'm angry at the slow growth of the faction and its assets.
I also remember being told that PWE had our best at heart with open arms, full faction play.
SO much for PWE wanting a full KDF faction....
Still the fight must go on. Make a noise so they know we exist. Show them we want fullness of content, both story and filler tech.
R.I.P
Most likely the Vesta and the Andorian Broadsider Battleship
"Paid for by the Dan Stahl Foundation to elimiate the Kdf"**
**No relation to the person who works at Cryptic
Hey bro, your mom's calling you. Your SpaghettiOs are ready.
I don't think Dan has very much leeway these days. I'm sure he can offer his opinions on stuff but, as your sig used to say, it's not-so-Perfect World that calls the shots.
And you're right, making noise is pretty much all we can do now. Hopefully the KDF will be the squeaky wheel as opposed the the nail that sticks out. Only time will tell which it is.
For instance, it would be nice to boycott the racing costume if you want a KDF one next time. It's a bit off topic but that's the kind of behaviour that may be carefully watched. And of course, don't forget to say it POLITELY without any anger on the forums.
God, lvl 60 CW. 17k.
Funny Roach made the same comment on one of my threads over a month ago - yeah he holds to his high principles
I felt at the time like responding that he should set an example and change his "bitmepwe" name as a start!
Oh and those 2 Fed ships ARE coming soon + I have it on good source that :
A)the Fed will not get another cloak
This is why I focus most of my 'whining' onto the BoP/Raptor issues, because that's ultimately what I care about in this game at this time.
Both the Heavy Bop which I use on 3 toons and the Raptor on another out-perform any Fed non-cstore ship - what is the whining about?
It's not really whining its the fact that the status of c-store +1 ships and their consoles at first were great to have and now they pretty much have no advantages to buying them except for a few on KDF side but I cannot see myself really buying the federation ones since they just feel like fluff.
The underlying issue with the KDF and as fed players just call it QQ or whining is the attempt to hold onto what little uniqueness we have left. We pretty much first lost carriers as it was told to the KDF population they would always be unique to the KDF which was less than truthful then for the most part the uniquness of 2 of our c-store +1 consoles the feds can just buy on exchange and now the talk about giving the feds the plasmonic leach because they want it they will get it that will no longer be unique. After that of course we will lose the battle cloak and at that point we will have nothing left that makes the KDF unique. It's really just a push to keep holding out on something and then when sales get low they will cannibalize the KDF for every possible dollar they can make before abandoning future development for the game as a WHOLE since they have already abandoned the KDF.
So if the devs or moderators want to change my current name back to Roach in the forums, I will not complain.
R.I.P
Keep the thought in mind that levi3 may be in the thread purely for entertainment value.
R.I.P
Yes and no - I understand the KDf players concerns completely - they have been perhaps lied to - definitly mislead - they have been left behind compared to Fed development
and on and on and on
Bottom line is that Cryptic DOES NOT CARE! They have shown this through their actions or lack of actions for a very long time- sorry to break the bad news but no amount of whinning or complaining or "keeping up the fight" is going to change that.
Cryptic will go where the money is - the big money - and the big money is on the FED side - it's that simple and that is no lie.
And personally I love the Heavy Bop and Raptor - they are pretty much on par with most of the T5 +1 Fed ships - anyone who says otherwise is crazy.
We KDF lose everything if we just give up, we lose nothing if we keep up the fight.
R.I.P
With all of the fury over the leech rumor (still unsubstantiated) we are probably at some sort of breaking point, at least I hope so. Let's see what the next 1-2 week holds.
But the KDF giving up in the face of the opposition--not at chance.
I don't know - you can keep up this rant but it seems to go no-where
I have the dev's respond to my threads - and my posts personally many times - even on the weekend - a dev has responded to me in one of my threads - of course never in the KDF section
I suspect the KDF section is never visited by the Dev's - well? Are you out there?
1- I don't think the genre of this thread is rightly called a "rant." I admit, some of my KDF friends are engaging in rant. Okay, but embedded within that rant are genuine complaints that need to be addressed. The community moderators have obviously given this thread (and the one that was closed) some attention, and I think some of us hope that the devs will take note. I would refer to these threads more properly as protests from upset customers, who feel like they are being neglected, at best, and misled at worst. Most business have "comment" cards or boxes; the forums are the digital equivalent.
2- I still don't think this kind of protest is hopeless. Did you notice, for instance, that Soriedem--one of the lead figures at Gates of Stovokor--has recently been added to the Priority One team. He will be contributing a weekly blog: http://priorityonepodcast.com/wordpress/priority-one-podcast-episode-93-electric-shenanigans/. I would not be surprised if Priority One begins to pay a bit more attention to the KDF side, with the addition of Soriedem. But we will see.
This is a significant new platform for the KDF, because, if history is any indication of the future, Priority One will continue to have the ear of the devs, at least to some degree. This is a positive step in the right direction and will give the KDF a new channel of influence.
KDF money is money. It may not be the river that Fed money is, but a brook can still irrigate.
ROFL!
And we've had Dan Stahl respond to our KDF threads, what's your point? I've talked to many Devs in game chat. I had a question answered in "Ask Cryptic." I've had Devs quote my posts and directly respond to them. Trust me bro it means NOTHING more than community relations.
Superlink used to pull stuff like this you know. First it was the Devs read his posts, then he talked to the Devs, then it was he's friends with the Devs, then he had secret inside info from reliable sources, then he was the Devs, then he was gone.
Don't be Superlink.
It is unfortunate that the only response this leech conversation has evoked from someone even remotely official is a ban from one of the community moderators. The moderator was right to call attention to the problems in the thread, but let's hope to Kahless that Cryptic can at least show us some respect by responding to some of these recent issues.