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Will feds get our plasma leech in next patches?
thesnyndicate
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Hello there i just gotta know for sure if there will be a true reason for me to keep on playing with my KDF and generally stick with this game.
I cant afford to keep paying the game so in two weeks or months the company kicks in and take down all the things that made me play KDF and exist as a unique faction.
Also make feds so much OP that no matter how good i play and no matter how much i pay i will just a federation puppet only reason existing is the entertain them NO NO NO THIS WILL NEVER HAPPEND!
First of all the company is treating KDF so much unfair i cant believe it.
They dont even listen to us when things get out of the hands and many klingon come 2gether to rightfully protest for all those promises and all those things given to feds when none was given to KDF then THEY SHUT US DOWN AND LOCK DOWN OUR THREATS AND BAN THE OP'S.
This is unacceptable we are customers also we pay the dudes that lockdown our threads they got no right to shut us down we rightfully protest here.
I bet this forum moderator he admited himself he got a KDF toon but its not active (meaning hes KDF hater and FED lover)
Now leave my rightfully protesting threads alone or i report you with email to PWE and Cryptic. You bet that if you ban me again without a true reason or shut down my Question thread this one i can and will report you. Even from your forums ''jokes'' its obvious you favour federation and you throw ''dead'' tribbles at KDF.
Last thing we might be only the 19% of total pop as some say but even if thats true 19% is a big number and LOTS of money to throw away just to soften even more ur spoiled federation kids.
Because if what the tittle says comes true you instantly kill KDF and the 20% of total population. But if you leave things as they are now and maybe show a little more attention to KDF side then you can keep the already happy customers the 80% from federation and also keep us the 20% of the KDF alive and paying. This is a lot better for everyone. the federation the KDF and the company and us players who will enjoy a nice balanced game.
But srsly killing the KDF just to share via lockboxes one console this is not good idea.
Because if plasma leech is shared its a major hit in KDF and even if not all 20% quit i bet my degree that 5% WILL QUIT INCLUDING ME AND THATS A LOT OF MONEY YOU GONE WASTE AND YOU KNOW WHAT? YOU WONT GET THOSE MONEY BACK FORM LOCKBOXES!
PS. i copied all protesting KDF posts into my computer its about 100 pages or more keep shuting us down here and maybe we can copy paste everything into another blog/forums where we can continue our conversation without interuptions.
PS2. Because i got better things to do rather than defend the right and the justice into a game and trying to save the company customers and money, i would like someone who is in charge and responsible enough to reply me if the feds will get our plasma leech in next patches idc if its one week or one year but if that happends at some point i would like to know it from NOW!
I would ty in advance but i wont cause no reply will be given to me and most prolly gone lock down the threat again and bad me because i expose the unfair treatment the company is showing to KDF faction and its playerbase
As long as decent ppl keeps on playing KDF i will be here to show them what is right or wrong i will never stop unless you start treating them fair and square.
Edited to add this:
I cant afford to keep paying the game so in two weeks or months the company kicks in and take down all the things that made me play KDF and exist as a unique faction.
Also make feds so much OP that no matter how good i play and no matter how much i pay i will just a federation puppet only reason existing is the entertain them NO NO NO THIS WILL NEVER HAPPEND!
First of all the company is treating KDF so much unfair i cant believe it.
They dont even listen to us when things get out of the hands and many klingon come 2gether to rightfully protest for all those promises and all those things given to feds when none was given to KDF then THEY SHUT US DOWN AND LOCK DOWN OUR THREATS AND BAN THE OP'S.
This is unacceptable we are customers also we pay the dudes that lockdown our threads they got no right to shut us down we rightfully protest here.
I bet this forum moderator he admited himself he got a KDF toon but its not active (meaning hes KDF hater and FED lover)
Now leave my rightfully protesting threads alone or i report you with email to PWE and Cryptic. You bet that if you ban me again without a true reason or shut down my Question thread this one i can and will report you. Even from your forums ''jokes'' its obvious you favour federation and you throw ''dead'' tribbles at KDF.
Last thing we might be only the 19% of total pop as some say but even if thats true 19% is a big number and LOTS of money to throw away just to soften even more ur spoiled federation kids.
Because if what the tittle says comes true you instantly kill KDF and the 20% of total population. But if you leave things as they are now and maybe show a little more attention to KDF side then you can keep the already happy customers the 80% from federation and also keep us the 20% of the KDF alive and paying. This is a lot better for everyone. the federation the KDF and the company and us players who will enjoy a nice balanced game.
But srsly killing the KDF just to share via lockboxes one console this is not good idea.
Because if plasma leech is shared its a major hit in KDF and even if not all 20% quit i bet my degree that 5% WILL QUIT INCLUDING ME AND THATS A LOT OF MONEY YOU GONE WASTE AND YOU KNOW WHAT? YOU WONT GET THOSE MONEY BACK FORM LOCKBOXES!
PS. i copied all protesting KDF posts into my computer its about 100 pages or more keep shuting us down here and maybe we can copy paste everything into another blog/forums where we can continue our conversation without interuptions.
PS2. Because i got better things to do rather than defend the right and the justice into a game and trying to save the company customers and money, i would like someone who is in charge and responsible enough to reply me if the feds will get our plasma leech in next patches idc if its one week or one year but if that happends at some point i would like to know it from NOW!
I would ty in advance but i wont cause no reply will be given to me and most prolly gone lock down the threat again and bad me because i expose the unfair treatment the company is showing to KDF faction and its playerbase
As long as decent ppl keeps on playing KDF i will be here to show them what is right or wrong i will never stop unless you start treating them fair and square.
Edited to add this:
cmdrskyfaller wrote: »I see a lot of federation players whining about the KDF leech console.
Have they noticed the MACO shields also give their ships power?
Plasmonic leech is +1 per weapon per activation
MACO shield is +2 per activation.
Both have the same timer duration.
The difference? KDF gets the power bonus by shooting, feds by getting shot AT.
...and the fact that the federation gets the STF MACO shield for FREE while KDF has to BUY a ship to get it.
The leech cannot be given to the federation unless the maco shield or a similar shield is given to the KDF. Otherwise one side would have the ability to double-stack power bonuses.
Can you imagine how overpowered a federation ship would be with +40 power gain by using both of these? Ridiculous.
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Or maybe a version of Polo using giant targs as mounts?
On the subject of KDF being left behind.
Quiet the madness Cryptic, finish the KDF.
The simple fact that we see so much KDF angst over the situation of how the faction is should be more than enough evidence that an issue exists and needs to be fixed to fan satisfaction.
R.I.P
where did he read the Feds are getting the leech?
They already have one. Its called MACO shields.
If it does happen, will KDF receive a power level boosting shield?
Nope.
As long as this one stays on topic and doesn't turn into a flame fest, it's good.
The question at hand is, do the Feds get the leech? I think that's a fair question.
If they did get it, what imbalance would be introduced? Also a fair question, and good feedback.
If they did get it, how unhappy would the KDF players get and why? Legitimate feedback, as long as it doesn't turn into a flame fest.
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That is the point I hopes get seen through all this madness. I care little for the plasma leech, but alot for the future of the Empire.
i dont think cyptic care its obvious fed stuff after fed stuff NOTHING for kdf.
but there is nothing we can do about it as its aagist rules or where ever. personly id like to see all the podcasts standing up for kdf and encourging a boycot of cstore fed play or boycott the game for a day.
unless it affects the $$$ they wont and dont care. im sick of the way kdf get treated and everytime i hear any talk of adding another faction it makes me laugh so hard they cant or wont finish the kdf.
maybe more players could do what i have done i delted all my feds and refuse to buy anything fed until things are fixed.
A poster in another thread (now closed) said he heard a rumor that the leech was going to Feds in an upcoming patch.
I never saw any source. Maybe it came up on Tribble?
If there's a link to a thread where someone actually saw it, I'd be interested in seeing that thread. And so would every other KDF player.
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Don't know why I bother. Feds have carriers, Feds have two ships with cloaking and the Rhode Island, Feds have universal stations on more ships than the KDF do, Fed fleet escorts now pack more tac console slots than any KDF raptor or BoP, the trend seems to be let the Feds eat cake.
I'm tired but while I am staring at the ceiling as I try to figure out what color to paint it while I wait for the Feds to get off... Well I guess it's the same poo on a different shoe all over again.
Feds should not get Plasmodic Leach. Yes it is buggy right now, (which is why I seldom use it), it is on the table for yet another revamp to control just how much power it gives the the person who slots it. So I ultimately know they are not gonna get the "I Win!" button they are looking for.
That aside I am, as always, against the Feds getting it for all the same reasons as in all those other threads, primarily novelty of the factions. Plasmodic Leach is well positioned for a thing called "Perfect Imbalance" in that on the surface it looks OP but if the Devs get the math that underpins it just right will be effective but in the long run able to be countered. This, like the Fed AMS console, makes a novel niche for the factions that will encourage better meta gaming.
The Klingons should have a couple game mechanics to themselves. Most everything novel to the faction is now able to be done on the Fed side as it is. That means that carrots to lure Fed players try KDF play have been removed from the table.
Given that a new player has less incentive to actually commit to a KDF toon as they have to wait till level 26 to even roll a KDF the KDF needs every single hook they can grasp.
Blocking Feds from KDF exclusive toys like Plasmodic Leach is not in any way being stingy. It is trying to avoid further faction population stagnation.
That is my peace.
I think will we see even more zombie vessels ingame thanks to the PL+ MACO+ EPM + DOffs combo's available to keep power levels at near maximum.
Throw in other design factors (like TB pets) and I believe that it will be unbalanced towards fed vessels with no equal console given to the KDF to allow for a proper defense.
Very unhappy becuase of old angst and perceptions that show we hardly ever get an equal trade in such situations.
The feds seem to have the Multi-role design of thier ships very well established but the KDf vessels seem to be falling behind in areas as the Warfare and Engineering heavy design faction.
The uniqueness of some of our Consoles was a good seperator that kept us from falling behind our perception of the feds moving forward.
I hope this is a proper response and entertains those involved well enough.
Or should I wear a patchwork outfit with bells and dance?
R.I.P
Has it really come to this? We have to song and dance for any attention?
Kahless weeps.
If you want to comment to the devs about the possibility, it goes into the 'feedback' thread but as it hasn't been done yet I suspect discussion about it is also against the forum rules.
The 'closed' thread about this is here:
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=368291&page=23
And tho I appreciate the gifted tribble carcass BG, the fact thats it's dead shows that someone else has already taken out their frustrations on it.
IN before thread lockage.
:P
Awoken Dead
Now shaddup about the queues, it's a BUG
First, I would like to say that this consoles cost Zen for kdf, which means that KDF players bought them with money or grinded, therefore it is rip-off to give this stuff to feds for free.
And, yes, this is vital part of KDF indeed. KDF don't have so many things like fed's, but at least this "little" is quality and unique, therefore makes interest to play KDF.
Each faction has to have unique consoles, species, abilities, etc. as it gives an interest to play them. Thanks.
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I assumed that thrusting a squealing tribble into the hands of a warrior would be bad for my health.
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I'd just assume you'd be asking the Klink to feed you your lunch.
Anyhow, I believe the devs are aware of our feelings about the rumor, might be best to move on until an 'official' rumor gets started.
Awoken Dead
Now shaddup about the queues, it's a BUG
Also its not a double post i just had a fair question i would like answered soon so i can organize my future planning. EX (keep playing and paying the game or just keep playing without paying or just quit).
Since i am not f2per and i paid lots of money i would like at least if u cant treat fair to my faction at least answer me this question i asked so i dont waste my time in forums.
The facts are that if this console is shared will be having a huge impact over pvp and over KDF value as a faction.
I wont explain why and how exactly again even the optic fibers of the net learned those by heart by constantly saying by me and other elder KDF players.
The difference between me and the elder KDF players who i totally respect is that they dont loose their temper so easy as me and also they explain things a lot better cause their native language is english.
But what we say its obvious and all of us understands it but some of you pretend they dont for some reasons i wont analyze.
We all understand that MACO shields+leech+tractor pets+better escorts gone wipe out all fun in pvp and any competition against federation.
So plz answer me devs or PWE or cryptic idc who just gimme and answer will the leech console be shared via lockboxes with federation now and any future ''mini'' factions?
Cause if yes then you truly leave no reason for the current KDF players to keep on paying you and for future players to play and stick with KDF.
Ty in advance if you answer my question idc if its yes or no just tell me the truth.
From what i know this rumor leaked from a developer if am not mistaken thats how some players learned about this and thats how it got into my attention also.
So this rumor is not far from becoming reality sometime in the future unfortunately a bad one not only for KDF and its players but for the game itself.
I mean its not nuclear physics its simple logic
If u give all stuff into one side then the other side will suffer meaning that the game will suffer also
Balance and justice above EVERYTHING!
Thank you
Ok then give us MACO shields and tractor pets and ur unique consoles and escort carriers and all those nice escorts we are missing and you can have all of our unique consoles then.
Thats what you say right?
All faction got all common and its only different design and skins?
Yeah this can work. I agree but its not the most optimal option for the game depth and uniqueness.
But what is happening here is taking rly important stuff for KDF and giving nothing in return or giving a console in return that is not so important as the one your taking from us.
It nowhere close to compare leech console with any federation console.
Only fair trade would be if we get similar to MACO shields with 10% dmg reduction to shields pretty high shield cap and CONSTANT ENERGY ALL OVER ACROSS THE BOARD that is stacking as much we are getting hit (the opposite effect from the leech console).
And escort carrier and tractor pets and fix our raptor turnrate and give us an raptor with 5th tactical console slot also and more universal boffs.
You can keep ur pve content and ur fancy clothes and costumes and unique pets.
I dont need ur pve content as long as i have pvp que, kerrat and stf's and fleet action mark que's
So if you give them leech effect along with MACO shield they will be having 2 much energy stacking and we will be only wasting one slot console just to cancel federation drain effects and we wont be getting any energy from our shields to compensate making the feds pretty much unkillable and KDF more vulnerable than it is now with all the ''free'' tractor pets around.
Also stacking maco shields + plasma leech it will be 2 much power all over across the board
like 125 125 100 100 or maybe more you know its possible even without spending 2 many skillpoints in ''talent'' tree on powers and this is just not good even if both factions have it!
In simple words if you give them leech console then you will have to remove energy stacking effect from MACO shields in order to maintain BASIC balance over pvp and pve otherwise its a gameover for KDF.
It was noted in another thread on this subject that a participant there posting-in was only in said thread becuase of the entertainment value of watching a KDF fan have a come-apart.
I was not stating we had to song and dance to get attention but was sarcastically asking if my song & dance was up to said participants high standards since that was the only quality they deemed valuable when it comes to a KDF fan complaining over something.
I could go into a long speech on the ego-centric viewpoints of some fans and how insulting it is to suffer them, but you play KDF so you already know and I do not wish to be banned (again)
R.I.P
harharhar (klingon laugh)
Fair enough, this makes it up for me.
I agree... it shouldn't be one-sided.
I respectfully submit that if this were true, the Feds would have to wait their turn for new toys so that everybody gets a little something special.
I've always felt that the factions should be distinct in both style and gameplay. Obviously, you can't take that too far... some gameplay elements need to be universal. That "bang for the buck" principle again.
I don't think it's too much to expect that some things should be reserved for one faction or the other. I wish both factions had more unique distinctives, but the KDF needs it more. They're not Starfleet in funny uniforms. (We have enough of those in Starfleet.)
I haven't bought the console myself, so I'm not familiar with it at all. Nor am I familiar with high-end STF gear. I'd appreciate people in the know educating people like me about what combinations of gear/powers could cause problems (and how) so I can help focus feedback.
I believe the Devs like pointed feedback. 20 page tirades about how Cryptic sucks, not so much. Hard to find specific information in a sea of text.
This being Labor Day weekend and some of the Devs going to PAX, I wouldn't expect much feedback from them before next week... assuming they respond to this at all.
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Even if its not one sided its like giving a nuclear missile for a paintball gun.
When this nuclear missile is the last unique thing KDF arsenal still got left and without it balance at pvp/pve might collapse and KDF players will loose its interest and new players wont be playing KDF also leaving the faction to die over time.
Because atm i do pvp everyday all day i got big experience in it and from what i see federation already got big advantage with the free tractor pets i can tell that for sure.
Also fed where not ever weaker than KDF just some new players rushed in cause of f2p and the result was some crappy builds and lots of moaning.
Feds are fine and i am shy to tell this but its the truth and experienced hadar ship or a fleet escort or an non fleet escort carrier can and will kill my fleet scourge destroyer equiped with purple xii stuff.
This is not fair already
Imagine that they get plasma leeches along with their already unique and very powerful MACO shields.
This will be even worst and it will be gameover for KDF i am sorry but its the truth.
Thats why i must know what are the intensions of the company.
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R.I.P
As a KDF player, the console has always been OP as have a lot of things. The basic problem has been the poorly designed power creep in this game as well as just bad balance of basic things like weapons proc. The Raiders/Escorts are way behind by in large. This console evens things out to a degree and I'm just speaking of the gain not the minimal drain.
Sticking to this console it's not hard to get 20+ power to all subsystems w/it w/it's flow cap boosts. Now think of how many Engineering Skill Points are needed to achieve that. Now think of where you can spend your skill points since you don't need nearly as much Engineering Skill Point investment.
Also think of what +20 to shields, weapon energy pool, engine speed/turnrate, and aux repairs does. More regen to shields, more resists. More weapon energy pool after the 1st volley. More speed and better turnrate. Better repairs, not to mention occassional Sci powers.
This isn't isolated to Plas Leech and is a general issue w/how easy it is to spike power levels across the board. Everyone starts off w/200 power (50/system). Lets add 20/system for plas leech that, 280 power. Now, lets add 25/sysem for the occassional warp core eng proc. That's 380 power. Now lets add a ships +20 for the new fleets and you have 400 power. Enough for 100 power to each system. There are also batteries, team batteries, red matter cap, Energy Siphon, MACO for Feds, w/e Eng Skills you feel like using to top something off if any, EPTx system abilities, etc.
In short the skill of needing to manage power has greatly deminished. This console is part of the problem. But, on the KDF at least is sovles another issue.
Currently this game rewards high spike DPS ships which jem lotto aside feds have much better options. You'd be pushing the hit and run KDF playsytle further down the drain, leaving KDF cruiser and carriers circling the wagons Fed style play.
The problem w/these things turning into a Cryptic rant is Cryptic Mgt has never cared and continues to claim to kick the PvP can down the road since Season 4.
They've been dishonest in regards to their mirco transaction store not being better, they even acknowledged this the following summer when a Dev admitted they had always been intended to be better by design.
Lately, they reward gambling by their OP lotto box designs.
So yeah, Cryptic has earned their contempt and lack of trust in my book.
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And if it has to be done, since Cryptic is willing to cust the cost for obvious reasons, getting good Fed consoles in return for the KDF would mean some respect for both factions. While I'm enjoying a lot my fed subspace jump on my tholian carrier, the point defense system isn't even worth opening a box, it's pure and absolute junk. Nothing you may use on any ship in any situation, although the subspace jump is usefull on many ships.
Come on, something dealing less damage than a pet every 2 minutes isn't worth a jump giving you the best angle to fire your cannons if you have some. The subspace jump is a promise for raw dps, especially if you use a tractor beam right after the jump; the point defense system is just a colored toy making some light...
Some examples of good Fed consoles the KDF could get in return for the plasmonic leech:
- Ablative generator
- Metreon Gas Canisters Console Mod
- Nadeon Detonator, to some extent, although it would be something equivalent to a barrier field instead since it's a bit inferior to the previous consoles.
Any other console for the plasmonic leech would be a joke. I don't mind if both faction trade good equipment for some other good equipment, but I feel that my fed chars get the most shiny stuff while my kdf ones get the junk.
Edit: I think we need to make a list of consoles the KDF really doesn't need, since 95% if its consoles are good and usefull and since several fed ones aren't... If it can help the devs so that they don't give our kdf chars TRIBBLE in the next boxes.
- Ionized Gas Sensor: it's an anti cloaked ship consoles. The KDF has no cloaked enemy. This wouldn't be serious.
- Point defense system: who need that TRIBBLE? It deals almost zero dps and takes a console slot for very limited results. If it's supposed to get rid off borg torpedoes, I think a smart player can just focus the torpedo himself and fire. Unfortunately, it was already tossed in the lockboxes.
- Tachyon Detection Field: anti cloaked ship. Uneeded.
- Transwarp Computer: this is a poor console, since the power levels it could increase are so limited it's not even worth using it. +20 in warp core efficiency would mean +2 or so in every power level if I made no mistake in my maths. Not meaningfull at all.
Some 'could be usefull but not worth the great KDF consoles you can use on any ship':
- Enhanced Plasma Manifold: it will make KDF scis happy, but that's it. All other KDF consoles are usefull for any class.
- Grappler: I would think to it as a joke, it's just a tractor beam. If I really want one I think we all have science bridge officers.
I hope this will be usefull to someone.
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unfortunately , for every perfectly rational statement theres a dozen
' omg we need cloaking carriers of doom that can have 5 tac stations .. etc etc etc ' threads
on that note , a cloaking escort carrier would be perfect for the kdf , so long as its done right :rolleyes:
much as a lot of poeple despise the lockbox console situation , i cant see it going away anytime soon
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Have they noticed the MACO shields also give their ships power?
Plasmonic leech is +1 per weapon per activation
MACO shield is +2 per activation.
Both have the same timer duration.
The difference? KDF gets the power bonus by shooting, feds by getting shot AT.
...and the fact that the federation gets the STF MACO shield for FREE while KDF has to BUY a ship to get it.
The leech cannot be given to the federation unless the maco shield or a similar shield is given to the KDF. Otherwise one side would have the ability to double-stack power bonuses.
Can you imagine how overpowered a federation ship would be with +40 power gain by using both of these? Ridiculous.