Alternatively, they could make the requisition forms you buy with the EDC, salvage and tech BoA. That way your fully developed alts can gear up your underdeveloped ones, but since commander whatshecalled's novelty store doesn't use the requisition forms, those things (Borg Doffs (mostly fluff), Borg set (not that expensive) and the dilithium trade-in bin) could stay as an incentive for you to run the STFs with the characters kitted out this way.
For STF's i really see no problem other than that EDC could be used to circumvent that 8000 / day limit.
-> DO NOT make EDC/Salvage/Tech account bound.
-> instead make the ITEMS we can buy with it Account Bound!
= i can move my MACO XII shield to my ALT, i can not move Token Currency to an ALT to turn that into DIL ORE
-> STF Exploits Solved
I agree again.
However, it should be requisitions that are account bound. Because item requestions cannot be turned in for Dilithium, they can only be turned in for the items. Also, lets not forget that if you transfer an already existing tech piece (PSG, Weapon, and Armor), it won't unlock the accolades. So you need the tech requisition to do that, or do like we did during F2P Beta by deleting that transfered tech piece and bringing it back from the trash pile to unlock the accolades.
However, it should be requisitions that are account bound. Because item requestions cannot be turned in for Dilithium, they can only be turned in for the items. Also, lets not forget that if you transfer an already existing tech piece (PSG, Weapon, and Armor), it won't unlock the accolades. So you need the tech requisition to do that, or do like we did during F2P Beta by deleting that transfered tech piece and bringing it back from the trash pile to unlock the accolades.
That's the best idea so far. The requisitions that is.
Perhaps a combonation of B2A and BoE.
When you get the item, it's B2A.
Once you have equiped it onto a character, it is now bound to that character.
That would prevent getting just one set, and just moving that one set around.
Pehaps all the STF gear themselves could come in B2A crates, and opening it would bind on pickup.
Moving that one set around would open up another *exploit* -> you could unlock the ACCOLADE for the Costume Options for all characters with just one Set.
And THAT is really a NO GO!
(because most players don't care for the better stats but just want the shiny helmet).
So yes, what you say makes perfect sense.
Bind on Account + Bind on Pickup in one...
If the "tech" (code/script whatever) isn't in place for it they could just put the MACO / OMEGA items in a Bind on Account *[Lock]Box*, and once unpacked -> the item itself is Bind on Pickup.
That would suck for the players who have already bought the Items.
I still have the Tech Drops and have left them untouched since the Account Bank announcement.
But really people will play these STFs for YEARS to come (hopefully) so if a few loose out now, that is still preferable to not having such a System at all.
However, it should be requisitions that are account bound. Because item requestions cannot be turned in for Dilithium, they can only be turned in for the items. Also, lets not forget that if you transfer an already existing tech piece (PSG, Weapon, and Armor), it won't unlock the accolades. So you need the tech requisition to do that, or do like we did during F2P Beta by deleting that transfered tech piece and bringing it back from the trash pile to unlock the accolades.
oh right... totally forgot about the requisitions... ok TRIBBLE my last post, this is even better!
(it just has to be made really CLEAR in the description so players understand whats going on).
yeah I disagree with this thread. By making ECD's/tech/salvage account bound you have less items to make account bound than the ones they buy. Also it would be more work to make them have a combination of BOA and BOE. Just make the tech, ecds and salvage account bound and leave the gear in the stores alone. Sorry if you've already bought your stuff, one of the reasons I've saved a bunch.
However, it should be requisitions that are account bound. Because item requestions cannot be turned in for Dilithium, they can only be turned in for the items. Also, lets not forget that if you transfer an already existing tech piece (PSG, Weapon, and Armor), it won't unlock the accolades. So you need the tech requisition to do that, or do like we did during F2P Beta by deleting that transfered tech piece and bringing it back from the trash pile to unlock the accolades.
yes the requisistion form itself could be B2A.
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Don't think there is a point continuing to do stfs if I cannot transfer stuff to toons that need the items!
Why would anyone grind another toon 120 - 300 odd times to outfit another toon in gear just to grind another toon the same. I have tech, salvage and requisitions in abundance doing NOTHING!!
Oh, and the stupid account bank has been rendered useless so you might as well remove it from the game, because no one will ever buy extra space for that fail...
I definitely wouldn't mind the requisitions being Bind to Account. That way you'd still have to grind the STFs to get the stuff for each character, and leftover high-end tech can be usable.
Doff grind. STF grind. Dilithium grind. If they made the EDCs/tech BoA then the grind disappears and what is the point of playing? What is the point of playing now...?
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Puh-leez. You honestly think they're going to reward past grinders by being able to convert salvage & tech drops into "the new hotness" pieces?
Unless any of the devs actually said so, we'll only be getting those pieces by re-grinding for the ultra-ultra-ultra rare drops.
The guy above me answered the question for me. If they ever release new sets, the devs will find some way of making sure all of our previous currency will be null & void...
Besides, I could care less that new sets are released. I have done 100's and 100's of stfs and still do not have one complete MK12 space or ground set!
I am past the point where I care about the stf's any more. I just wanted to use the left over drops for some of my other toons that could do with them, but now that's not happening and there is no way I am going through that grind again on any of my other toons...
Except that means effectively adding yet another currency, 'unbound Lobi' and having to have it function together with 'bound Lobi' possibly using both in the same transaction.
And they would have to do the same with any new currency they add.
In terms of a lot of drops making them bound to account reduces the play time for alts, something they are likely reluctant to do. Instead of grinding out new drops for each alt, you just transfer over hand-me-downs.
If they wanted characters to gear up faster, they would just adjust the drop rates, something that wouldn't take any additional coding.
Well, what a major bummer.
Sounds like they're worried some will simply outfit all their alts rather than grinding the same missions over and over and over...
So...rather than having to make new missions, they're making sure if you want the gear on all your guys, you will be forced to run those same tired missions a few hundred times with each guy.
After all, making new missions means they might have to spend money on development.
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Honestly, if I could just use a stack of EDC I grinded months ago to get every piece of equipment that is newly released I'd be pretty bored. There would be zero sense of accomplishment. Sure I put the work in back then, but it's just not the same. So in this aspect, I actually understand the devs. If I was a dev I'd also think of new ways for players to get new equipment instead too.
The only thing I disagree with the devs with is Lobi. I don't mind that I can't put it on the exchange for everyone, but it should be sharable between characters on the same account. Otherwise it just punishes opening boxes on different characters. That limitation makes no logical sense.
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Honestly, if I could just use a stack of EDC I grinded months ago to get every piece of equipment that is newly released I'd be pretty bored. There would be zero sense of accomplishment. Sure I put the work in back then, but it's just not the same. So in this aspect, I actually understand the devs. If I was a dev I'd also think of new ways for players to get new equipment instead too.
The only thing I disagree with the devs with is Lobi. I don't mind that I can't put it on the exchange for everyone, but it should be sharable between characters on the same account. Otherwise it just punishes opening boxes on different characters. That limitation makes no logical sense.
Agree.
There's no point to playing if you can grind with one toon and pass all your drops to other toons on your account.
Lobi's should be account bound but the items purchased with them toon bound. I'd be nice if lobi's were obtainable in other ways than opening dropboxes.
Elijah: We?ve got Paul D asking: ?Will things such as EDC/Salvage/Lobi Crystals become account bound with Season 6 or are these still in the maybe pile??
Salami: We had a lot of meetings where we went over different things we could put that would be account shared and we found too many exploits with all three of those, because we?re Free To Play now you can make unlimited characters and take advantage of promotions and different kinds of sharings in ways that may have been far too exploitable, so I think those are in the ?no? pile right now unfortunately
Agree.
There's no point to playing if you can grind with one toon and pass all your drops to other toons on your account.
Lobi's should be account bound but the items purchased with them toon bound. I'd be nice if lobi's were obtainable in other ways than opening dropboxes.
The justification for this, as Gozer had agreed with, is that it is the player doing the work regardless of what character it was with.
As for Lobi, your proposition seems resonable.
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Agree.
There's no point to playing if you can grind with one toon and pass all your drops to other toons on your account.
Lobi's should be account bound but the items purchased with them toon bound. I'd be nice if lobi's were obtainable in other ways than opening dropboxes.
I would agree with you if it were grinding a few missions 20 or 50 times for the gear, but its not. Its 100's or even for some 1000's of missions (the same few missions over and over and over).
And whats the difference between me using my Klingon to run an STF or my Nausicaan, or any of my Feds - its still me controlling the character, its still me putting the time in. Making these item account bound only does one thing - gives me more options on which character I can log in and play. As it stands i wont run stf's on any other character than the one i need gear on, the frustration of getting a drop I needed for character A whilst playing character B WOULD drive me away from the game or at the very least I would just stop doing the content as many others seem to be doing.
If these items wont be BoA, then the "new method for STF loot" coming out in Season 7 better have a way to transfer loot between characters on the same account.
How the hell is it exploitable?!?
I thought Gozer said there wasn't any problem with them.
Yeah, and notice who's leaving the company (after apparently having all of his suggestions repeatedly shot down over the past few months [citation needed])
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I get why they wouldn't do this for LOBI crystals - but EDCs don't seem exploitable unless they don't want to see wholsale twinking of characters without the characters themselves needing to run STFs.
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Well I'm done STFing as much as I have been and saving EDCs and tech for alts. I'm already not doing the boring a*s Space STFs whats three more STFs to avoid. Bugging Terradome and a failed fleet action system here I come
You should have just said you didn't know how make it happen.
The only exploit I could possibly see is to get around the 1 hour timer, but that is a pretty minor exploit in exchange for the huge benefits it would bring.
Saying it's an exploit is just another way of saying they don't know how to do it, which is becoming a common Cryptic answer to everything. Just tell us the truth you don't know how to do it or don't have the time and move on.
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I agree.
I agree again.
However, it should be requisitions that are account bound. Because item requestions cannot be turned in for Dilithium, they can only be turned in for the items. Also, lets not forget that if you transfer an already existing tech piece (PSG, Weapon, and Armor), it won't unlock the accolades. So you need the tech requisition to do that, or do like we did during F2P Beta by deleting that transfered tech piece and bringing it back from the trash pile to unlock the accolades.
That's the best idea so far. The requisitions that is.
Dec/2008
Moving that one set around would open up another *exploit* -> you could unlock the ACCOLADE for the Costume Options for all characters with just one Set.
And THAT is really a NO GO!
(because most players don't care for the better stats but just want the shiny helmet).
So yes, what you say makes perfect sense.
Bind on Account + Bind on Pickup in one...
If the "tech" (code/script whatever) isn't in place for it they could just put the MACO / OMEGA items in a Bind on Account *[Lock]Box*, and once unpacked -> the item itself is Bind on Pickup.
That would suck for the players who have already bought the Items.
I still have the Tech Drops and have left them untouched since the Account Bank announcement.
But really people will play these STFs for YEARS to come (hopefully) so if a few loose out now, that is still preferable to not having such a System at all.
oh right... totally forgot about the requisitions... ok TRIBBLE my last post, this is even better!
(it just has to be made really CLEAR in the description so players understand whats going on).
yes the requisistion form itself could be B2A.
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You astound every every single damn time by the way of outdoing yourself in each and every dumb decision you make.
Don't think there is a point continuing to do stfs if I cannot transfer stuff to toons that need the items!
Why would anyone grind another toon 120 - 300 odd times to outfit another toon in gear just to grind another toon the same. I have tech, salvage and requisitions in abundance doing NOTHING!!
Oh, and the stupid account bank has been rendered useless so you might as well remove it from the game, because no one will ever buy extra space for that fail...
Geez guys, wtf.....
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Unless any of the devs actually said so, we'll only be getting those pieces by re-grinding for the ultra-ultra-ultra rare drops.
The guy above me answered the question for me. If they ever release new sets, the devs will find some way of making sure all of our previous currency will be null & void...
Besides, I could care less that new sets are released. I have done 100's and 100's of stfs and still do not have one complete MK12 space or ground set!
I am past the point where I care about the stf's any more. I just wanted to use the left over drops for some of my other toons that could do with them, but now that's not happening and there is no way I am going through that grind again on any of my other toons...
Except that means effectively adding yet another currency, 'unbound Lobi' and having to have it function together with 'bound Lobi' possibly using both in the same transaction.
And they would have to do the same with any new currency they add.
In terms of a lot of drops making them bound to account reduces the play time for alts, something they are likely reluctant to do. Instead of grinding out new drops for each alt, you just transfer over hand-me-downs.
If they wanted characters to gear up faster, they would just adjust the drop rates, something that wouldn't take any additional coding.
Sounds like they're worried some will simply outfit all their alts rather than grinding the same missions over and over and over...
So...rather than having to make new missions, they're making sure if you want the gear on all your guys, you will be forced to run those same tired missions a few hundred times with each guy.
After all, making new missions means they might have to spend money on development.
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The only thing I disagree with the devs with is Lobi. I don't mind that I can't put it on the exchange for everyone, but it should be sharable between characters on the same account. Otherwise it just punishes opening boxes on different characters. That limitation makes no logical sense.
Please enable us to buy a token with Zen to faction change a 25th Century FED to a TOS FED.
Agree.
There's no point to playing if you can grind with one toon and pass all your drops to other toons on your account.
Lobi's should be account bound but the items purchased with them toon bound. I'd be nice if lobi's were obtainable in other ways than opening dropboxes.
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Just exactly how dumb is this guy?
The justification for this, as Gozer had agreed with, is that it is the player doing the work regardless of what character it was with.
As for Lobi, your proposition seems resonable.
I would agree with you if it were grinding a few missions 20 or 50 times for the gear, but its not. Its 100's or even for some 1000's of missions (the same few missions over and over and over).
And whats the difference between me using my Klingon to run an STF or my Nausicaan, or any of my Feds - its still me controlling the character, its still me putting the time in. Making these item account bound only does one thing - gives me more options on which character I can log in and play. As it stands i wont run stf's on any other character than the one i need gear on, the frustration of getting a drop I needed for character A whilst playing character B WOULD drive me away from the game or at the very least I would just stop doing the content as many others seem to be doing.
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You should have just said you didn't know how make it happen.