Fedbear.
Thinking otherwise is either outright lying or simply being confused.
Evidently you have some self-confidence issues you need to iron out. Counselor Troi might still have office hours. Or perhaps the holodeck would be more beneficial.
As much as I complain about the status of KDF, I wouldn't agree that Cryptic has done the IP poorly. I love the game. That's why it's so frustrating.
The ships are cool, the combat is cool, the pvp is cool, the pve is cool, the outfits, races, story, etc.
The only problem I have is all the areas in which the KDF gets less, sometimes much less, some of the stupid character access design (level fed to get a kdf), and the shared KDF content that isn't really KDF.
I mean, heck, I'd give a lot to see Star Wars done in some way similar to this game. Imagine pitched battles between various Destroyers and such! Instead of what TOR got.
Of course, you'd get all the venting from the Imperial folks about their stripped down plots that don't make sense and the Yuuzhan Vong task forces...
As much as I complain about the status of KDF, I wouldn't agree that Cryptic has done the IP poorly. I love the game. That's why it's so frustrating.
The ships are cool, the combat is cool, the pvp is cool, the pve is cool, the outfits, races, story, etc.
The only problem I have is all the areas in which the KDF gets less, sometimes much less, some of the stupid character access design (level fed to get a kdf), and the shared KDF content that isn't really KDF.
I can agree. When they applty themselves or otherwise do not work under a sword of damacles setting, the work they produce is excellent.
I mean, heck, I'd give a lot to see Star Wars done in some way similar to this game. Imagine pitched battles between various Destroyers and such! Instead of what TOR got.
Of course, you'd get all the venting from the Imperial folks about their stripped down plots that don't make sense and the Yuuzhan Vong task forces...
You are right and I'm sure the cut-off at the knees job of building the KDF into a complete faction has nothing to do with the fact the KDF is a poorly played faction with a small less hopeful fanbase that offers little revenue stream to Cryptic compared to the majority of the Star Trek fans.
I absolutely agree that it has something to do with it.
I don't think it's everything however.
This IP has always been about Star Fleet. Thinking that the majority of players would ever NOT be playing starfleet is naive at best.
The "we are the majority" logic only goes so far in a situation where even the Devs have given up on a part of the game they never truelly started properly or even got close to finishing poorly with inconsistant story and the other simple options that many KDF fans would have paid for if the factions poor state of being had not chased them away to begin with months, even years ago.
The majority logic is simply an explanation of why this business decion is being made, again and again.
You want to be full of anger about the past? That's your business.
I've stated, repeatedly, that the state of the KDF is lamentable - on the other hand I'm able to see through to the fact that right now there isn't much in the way of future story content for any player Fed, KDF or those like me who play both sides regularly.
So you guys can keep making these threads, and throwing tantrums about federation players and tossing insults, but ultimately you are not doing yourselves any favors.
It's unfortunate that there aren't more players who can make posts like ObiWanJabroni did.
Evidently you have some self-confidence issues you need to iron out. Counselor Troi might still have office hours. Or perhaps the holodeck would be more beneficial.
Is this truly the limit of your posting ability? Or can you put your money where your mouth is?
I'll listen if you can try to concoct some explanation on where the term of Fedbear derives from, and why you think it's not derogatory.
Roach: No, but if Cryptic had the IP they'd have a wide range of options on where/when to set the game.
Personally I think the Vong are awful, but more making a humorous example of how one could set up a very STO-like setting in Star Wars.
USS_Ultimatum:
They are complacent in trying to grow their business. Investing in two full factions requires more daring (in the business sense) in trying to expand potential interests and thinking outside a simplified bottom line -- there's no easy way to measure 'people who don't end up spending money because they can't immediately play KDF or get turned off by the faction's incompleteness,' so they go with the easy -- moar fed ships!
And as for 'people want to play Fed, duh!", you could make the same argument about a lot of games which manage to have two very robust factions, like TOR and WoW.
star wars is about the good guys. why should star wars games include the Sith?
USS Ultimatum sounds like any other Starfleet troll who only sees through blue colored glasses.
nobody on the KDF side ever plays Starfleet, so we are totally ignorant, I know...
/KDF isn't compete, so Starfleet needs more content!
/ the fact is they bungled the development, and the KDF (as it is now) should go away because they can barely develop one faction, but all we are left with is indifference
The main problem is that the game is biased towards Federation gameplay as it is.
I do not think that is the problem. I expect this game to be biased toward Federation gameplay, but given the screen time the Klingons have had, I would hope that at the very least there would be enough content:
1) To have one of every class of ship from Lieutenant on up.
2) To level from Lieutenant using just PvE missions that are unique to the Klingon faction, giving players new content, new experiences, and a impetus for playing Klingon.
3) Give them unique gameplay abilities (the BoP and Carriers).
Cryptic has done some of these things pretty well and is woefully lacking in others.
Cryptic would be foolish to devote as much time to the KDF as the Feds, but they need to make the KDF faction a complete faction with lots of unique gameplay. They are a lot closer than when I started playing, but they still have a long way to go.
If you're talking about Cryptic making the Klingons a complete faction with unique gameplay, they've given up on that long ago.
Carriers? *****d out.
Universal Stations? *****d out.
Cloaks? *****d out.
The Feds demanded unique KDF gameplay, and Cryptic always obliges. Next thing you know, Cryptic will cave in and offer up an Escort's firepower and maneuverability, with a cruiser's survivability, and offer up hangers to support fighter usage.
The majority logic is simply an explanation of why this business decion is being made, again and again.
Its that again and again that is insulting. DO you think we do not know that the "majority" is favored again and again becuase they are the "majority"? Its shoved down our throat time and again by the fans ans passively by the Devs.
There in lies the insult at being told that we are fans of the IP but not important enough fans to be bothered with having a complete faction and its a poor excuse at best.
Very few companies limit thier sales to just one aspect of thier product or customer base and expect to grow as a company. Even fewer would openly acknowledge having short changed a portion of thier customerbase and then leave them to dwindle and expect that aspect of sales to grow. Much less blaim the poor sales on the very customers they left to dwindle through poor service.
So you guys can keep making these threads, and throwing tantrums about federation players and tossing insults, but ultimately you are not doing yourselves any favors.
What tantrum?
I've stated the truth as its been stated to me. Even Dstahl said that the KDF was cut-short at launch and has been poorly supported since then. My choice of phrasing is my bussiness and puts no tantrum to the truth.
Many fed fans have been assinine in thier belonging to the majority and have lorded it over the KDF on mnay occassions. Once again a truth that I phrase as I see it.
If the Devs do not like the truth being stated how ever I choose to do it, then change the situation.
If those feds do not like the truth being thrown back in their faces in a ugly fashion as they have lorded it over us, then they need to stop acting the child about being the prefered customer.
The main problem is that the game is biased towards Federation gameplay as it is... and in every way.
The problem does not lie in this fact but in the fact that they seem to refuse to believe that any important fan exist beyond Star Fleet and fail to understand that the fanbase of Star Trek is made up of just more than federation players.
I enjoy Star trek too.
I am a Klingon fan.
and like all fans I am willing to spend money on my fandom.
SO why am I not important enough to be financially courted by STO? becuase my potential revenue is smaller than the majority?
SO Devs do not give me the lions share of attention, I do not expect it.
I do expect my share of STO gameplay to encrease overtime and improve to a point where I am enjoying the game as much as any other player and have options instead of excuses on why the gameplay I do have is not going anywhere.
I have spent at least $190 (I just checked/added up) on KDF items. I have done my due diligence to show Cryptic that I am definitely interested in KDF goods and services.
I would happily double that if they did even the most minor of things to improve the situation: lower bar to entry, bring costumes up to par -- that's _all I ask_ at this point.
If they want my (and other long-time KDF players)' money, they just have to do more than a few ships and one mission over a year and some ham-handed shared missions. Don't get me wrong, the bortas'qu is cool, and it's a lot better than nothing. It's just also a far-cry from something.
I agree, I have spent a lot on the KDF and have decided against buying any more Federation ships, none really take my fancy anymore I have the Excelsior and Defiant Retrofit, the new one especially doesn't take my fancy in fact I feel it's another pie in the face for KDF players, fthe first in my eyes being that Catitan Carrier.
There are however a few KDF ships I really want and do plan to get them, but until the KDF starts to see some decent work done on them, Cryptic will not be getting anymore money from me for the Federation nor past the last set of C-points I plan to buy for the Gamma Quadrant Duty Officers. I'll just use the dilithium exchange and the Monthly Stipend.
I just feel as Roach has stated, we as KDF fans and customers are not important enough in Cryptic's eyes as we are not the majority. It's sad and insulting and I hope they get hit in the head and come to their senses sooner rather than later.
I heard they have a great set of tools to create content- the foundry.
...But as a free-to-play player I have to PAY them to create content that they don't want to be bothered with or spend time on ?
What business school did these bozo's attend ? If they continue to give the ONLY complete faction in their game all their attention eventually thats all that will be left playing their game THEN they will start to leave the game because they won't have anyone to use their new toys on.
EVERYONE should be entitled to a FREE foundry slot
USS_Ultimatum:
They are complacent in trying to grow their business. Investing in two full factions requires more daring (in the business sense) in trying to expand potential interests and thinking outside a simplified bottom line
What I think is happening right now, is that post purchase by PWE they have been given specific target numbers. (which is usually the case when one company buys another, especially when the parent company has stockholders)
They've looked at the paying populace and they are going where the money is.
I hope, I sincerely hope, that once they prove themselves over this year to PWE we start to see more of the things you are describing - branching out into more daring areas to develop as you said.
I think right now, they simply do not have the means to do that or they would be as I too feel it would be silly to ignore a customer base that I think we can assume is 12-18%.
I know my argument is unfortunately lost on most of the people who read these forums, and this thread - but the point is that right now no one is getting more content for the low end. There's no content coming down the pipe for anyone that isn't cross-faction, endgame content. I'm sure all of us hope this isn't a permanent situation.
Do I want to see more KDF ships? Of course! (as much as I love my guramba, Hegh'ta and Vo'Quv I'd love some new DPS options to play with)
I just don't think that threads like this help at all.
Very few companies limit thier sales to just one aspect of thier product or customer base and expect to grow as a company. Even fewer would openly acknowledge having short changed a portion of thier customerbase and then leave them to dwindle and expect that aspect of sales to grow. Much less blaim the poor sales on the very customers they left to dwindle through poor service.
Very few companies focus on niche product lines when their core product is unfinished.
STO is unfinished, it needs a lot of work still.
The KDF is, UNFORTUNATELY (since you seem to miss that aspect of my posts repeatedly, I've typed it in bold this time), even more unfinished and now the content on hold affects the KDF more heavily.
I have spent at least $190 (I just checked/added up) on KDF items. I have done my due diligence to show Cryptic that I am definitely interested in KDF goods and services.
Yes that's all well and good, I've spent a fair bit KDF side myself (not as much as you have) but let's say you and I represent the 1 to 10% of people who actually buy anything at all - that's fed or kdf side.
Fed side if 10% of all players actually spend money, assuming what I think is a generous (to the KDF) 80-85% population of Fed primary players - we are looking at 8% of the player base actually spending money.
KDF side, if we assume again a generous 15-20% population, and the same 10% of that number actually purchase something - we are looking at 1.5 to 2% actually spending money.
So using the higher number, 2% vs. 8% or 4x as many paying players - as a business you think that you would then devote equal development to both customer bases? Or would you devote 4x as much to the base with the higher ROI during a period where your core product still needs quite a lot of development?
That is using a number of 20% all players being KDF primary, this is unlikely to actually be the case.
DStahl's ancient quote of 18% was (paraphrasing) 18% of players had actually made a KDF character - not primary, not exclusively, not log on every single day - just "made" a character.
I'm not saying I'm happy about this, I'm saying this is what it is.
Its that again and again that is insulting. DO you think we do not know that the "majority" is favored again and again becuase they are the "majority"? Its shoved down our throat time and again by the fans ans passively by the Devs.
There in lies the insult at being told that we are fans of the IP but not important enough fans to be bothered with having a complete faction and its a poor excuse at best.
Very few companies limit thier sales to just one aspect of thier product or customer base and expect to grow as a company. Even fewer would openly acknowledge having short changed a portion of thier customerbase and then leave them to dwindle and expect that aspect of sales to grow. Much less blaim the poor sales on the very customers they left to dwindle through poor service.
What tantrum?
I've stated the truth as its been stated to me. Even Dstahl said that the KDF was cut-short at launch and has been poorly supported since then. My choice of phrasing is my bussiness and puts no tantrum to the truth.
Many fed fans have been assinine in thier belonging to the majority and have lorded it over the KDF on mnay occassions. Once again a truth that I phrase as I see it.
If the Devs do not like the truth being stated how ever I choose to do it, then change the situation.
If those feds do not like the truth being thrown back in their faces in a ugly fashion as they have lorded it over us, then they need to stop acting the child about being the prefered customer.
The problem does not lie in this fact but in the fact that they seem to refuse to believe that any important fan exist beyond Star Fleet and fail to understand that the fanbase of Star Trek is made up of just more than federation players.
I enjoy Star trek too.
I am a Klingon fan.
and like all fans I am willing to spend money on my fandom.
SO why am I not important enough to be financially courted by STO? becuase my potential revenue is smaller than the majority?
SO Devs do not give me the lions share of attention, I do not expect it.
I do expect my share of STO gameplay to encrease overtime and improve to a point where I am enjoying the game as much as any other player and have options instead of excuses on why the gameplay I do have is not going anywhere.
Everything said in the above is true.
Whether you are here because you are a fan of the Federation or the Klingon Empire or the Romulan Star Empire you are still a FAN of Star Trek and has such your voice should carry just has much weight has any other FAN of the IP.
The fact that Cryptic tries to justify that the poor state of the KDF faction is due to the lack of player interest is just down right insulting.
The simple fact is that if the KDF had been launched has a full faction like we were lead to believe that it was going to up until about a month before the games launch date when Cryptic stated that the KDF was to be a PVP only faction, there would be a much bigger KDF player base.
Any and all KDF related Threads that are posted in general discussion forum section gets moved and dumped here while all the Federation posts are allowed to remain (including the Fed complaints).
The last time I checked anything game related could be discussed in General discussion forum so why are all the KDF post being moved and dumped here?
Im tired of Cryptic blaming me for the poor way they handled the faction that I choose to devote most of my gaming time to.
What makes is worst is that other players who claim to be fans of the IP will side with Cryptic and jump all over devoted Klingon Empire fans with little more than empty statements like Oh well thats what you get for being fans of the Klingon Empire and feel that they are totally justified in making that statement.
New flash
We are all fans on the Star Trek IP and we should ALL be given the same considerations.
Cryptic if you truly want to grow the KDF players base, then deliver unto us a true KDF faction and dont ever blame me for your shortcomings again!
Very few companies focus on niche product lines when their core product is unfinished.
What unfinished? the fed faction has a plethora of missions and a good storyline. Any new fed-only missions added to the list of choices is gravy, but...
STO is unfinished, it needs a lot of work still.
......STO needs endgame and endgame is, for the most part, faction agnostic - any faction can enjoy it.
The KDF is, UNFORTUNATELY (since you seem to miss that aspect of my posts repeatedly, I've typed it in bold this time), even more unfinished and now the content on hold affects the KDF more heavily.
Actually you posts repeat the "majority brings the revenue and keeps STO alive" mantra and only briefly mentions that the KDF is unfortuantely incomplete while topping it with a STO is unfinished and needs future content first before the KDF can even thought about being brought up to speed.
None of it even considers what I have been saying, that the KDF needs a complete factional experience if they ever hope to see revenue from it, that the feds need to jump off the high-horse of " We are the fans" becuase KDF fans are fans too and that the excuse of the KDF poor draw is not the fault of the players but the Devs whom never properly made the KDF into a faction.
I could add that the Devs can easily fall into the trap of never completing the KDF, even over a long period of time, if they get stuck just trying to feed off of fed-only marketing.
Because as I stated earlier, I too am a fan and my fandom is being pee'd upon while I'm being told to live with it because my fandom is not important enough to matter. This is what I and most other KDF fans hear when any fed tries to explain the "majority" position.
Its akin to being invited out to eat and finding that since you don't follow the majority, your table is out back in the alley by the dumpster and when you bring this up to the Matre'D the other dinners merely tell you to be quiet and accept the way of things.
The Devs need to make plan to complete the KDF, give it a meaningful storyline progression and be done with it. It does not matter if it takes another year or not becuase I have set no deadlines or made no demands it gets done now (only that it does happen), but something needs to be done becuase the fed fans will not keep STO aflaot forever and the KDF fans will eventualy say "F.I." and move on.
Frankly , your post have one simply feeling to them. That I and other KDF fans should just be quiet and let the more important fans try to enjoy themselves and that when timing is right and the tribulatiosn of STO are at a minimum, they can try to get to us other fans.
Frankly , your post have one simply feeling to them. That I and other KDF fans should just be quiet and let the more important fans try to enjoy themselves and that when timing is right and the tribulatiosn of STO are at a minimum, they can try to get to us other fans.
No, you shouldn't be quiet.
You should keep posting, but post smart, be persistent and be constructive (I realize that is REALLY hard at this stage of the game, with all of the promises that were never kept).
I'm saying that using constant ridiculous hyperbole like "being peed on" or tantrum throwing, whines and insults is going to get you absolutely nowhere.
Otherwise the good ideas and good posts just get drowned out in all of the noise.
I'm saying that using constant ridiculous hyperbole like "being peed on" or tantrum throwing, whines and insults is going to get you absolutely nowhere.
Two years of being polite got us nowhere, so hey, it's not like it's going to get us LESS.
I've been contemplating how to communicate something I've noticed without accusations of loss of perspective.
I honestly don't mean to suggest that the 'plight' of people not having as fun an experience as they'd like and being somewhat put upon in a pretendy game of pew pew starships is anything on par with real life oppression, BUUUUT...
The attitude of Fed players sounds an awful lot like other realworld issues, where the majority has said to a minority 'hey, don't rush, all in good time, we'll get there, calm down'.
Martin Luther King, Jr. had an excellent article on the subject (A Letter from a Birmingham Jail)
Again, I do not mean to say it's the same. But I think it stems from analogous basic human psychology of privilege.
In short, it's awfully convenient to caution patience when you aren't the one suffering for it.
I've been contemplating how to communicate something I've noticed without accusations of loss of perspective.
I honestly don't mean to suggest that the 'plight' of people not having as fun an experience as they'd like and being somewhat put upon in a pretendy game of pew pew starships is anything on par with real life oppression, BUUUUT...
The attitude of Fed players sounds an awful lot like other realworld issues, where the majority has said to a minority 'hey, don't rush, all in good time, we'll get there, calm down'.
Martin Luther King, Jr. had an excellent article on the subject (A Letter from a Birmingham Jail)
Again, I do not mean to say it's the same. But I think it stems from analogous basic human psychology of privilege.
In short, it's awfully convenient to caution patience when you aren't the one suffering for it.
Actually, it is quite the same. MLK is the role Cryptic would have us play. Herein lies the difference: We can log out of this RPG without consequence. MLK couldn't "log out" without making a permanent decision.
Making good suggestions and being polite has brought the KDF nowhere.
The best ideas were stalled by Fed players demanding loudly, impolite and selfish that all Dev intention is their's and KDF does not deserve attention at all. Not tofroget Mr Stahl himself who hates the KDF playerbase for their just fight.
Cryptic favoured this Them vs Us feeling with listening agai a nd again to the inpolite, agressive, harassing Federation players. This creates frustration and shows that Cryptic listens to the ones who scram loudest.
Federation side players need to understand how frustrated us KDF Fans are. It's easy to say things like be nice, be happy with what you got and so forth when you're favourite faction is getting a new ship every couple of weeks and is getting all the goodies while the other faction is getting nothing and doesn't even have a full campaign, only 9 missions with the rest re-tasked Federation missions that don't fit in with the style of the empire.
It annoys us even more when Federation players complain about something, from not having a fighter carrier to some thing they want and they get it like a spoilt child wanting that toy or chocolate. Yet when we ask nicely we are ignored, we scream loudly like some Federation players and we are told to stop being Blood Whiners etc.
Does that feel right for you? Is that fair?
We are all fans on this game, all Trek fans, most of us are paying customers through either subscriptions or through c-points on f2p accounts or even both and yet we are ignored, basically told though not in so many words that we aren't important enough.
Promises are made to us then several months later Cryptic goes back on them yet lives up to their promises to the Federation side. We feel belittled, unappreciated for our support of this game and Cryptic really needs to change this fast. We want to see something to show for our support, not some quick cash grab, a full campaign, more uniform options and some more playable free species like the Federation is all we want. We want to be equal to our Federation Brothers and Sisters, so we all can enjoy the game, no matter which faction we prefer, is this too much to ask?
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Evidently you have some self-confidence issues you need to iron out. Counselor Troi might still have office hours. Or perhaps the holodeck would be more beneficial.
The ships are cool, the combat is cool, the pvp is cool, the pve is cool, the outfits, races, story, etc.
The only problem I have is all the areas in which the KDF gets less, sometimes much less, some of the stupid character access design (level fed to get a kdf), and the shared KDF content that isn't really KDF.
I mean, heck, I'd give a lot to see Star Wars done in some way similar to this game. Imagine pitched battles between various Destroyers and such! Instead of what TOR got.
Of course, you'd get all the venting from the Imperial folks about their stripped down plots that don't make sense and the Yuuzhan Vong task forces...
I absolutely agree that it has something to do with it.
I don't think it's everything however.
This IP has always been about Star Fleet. Thinking that the majority of players would ever NOT be playing starfleet is naive at best.
The majority logic is simply an explanation of why this business decion is being made, again and again.
You want to be full of anger about the past? That's your business.
I've stated, repeatedly, that the state of the KDF is lamentable - on the other hand I'm able to see through to the fact that right now there isn't much in the way of future story content for any player Fed, KDF or those like me who play both sides regularly.
So you guys can keep making these threads, and throwing tantrums about federation players and tossing insults, but ultimately you are not doing yourselves any favors.
It's unfortunate that there aren't more players who can make posts like ObiWanJabroni did.
Complacent?
I see them adding a lockbock ship basically every other month, a new Cstore ship in between those.
They're running promos on DOFF packs now while the devs grind away on S6.
That's the diametric opposite of complacent.
Sometimes you need to pull your eyes away from the tiny screen in front of you and look at the bigger picture.
Is this truly the limit of your posting ability? Or can you put your money where your mouth is?
I'll listen if you can try to concoct some explanation on where the term of Fedbear derives from, and why you think it's not derogatory.
Personally I think the Vong are awful, but more making a humorous example of how one could set up a very STO-like setting in Star Wars.
USS_Ultimatum:
They are complacent in trying to grow their business. Investing in two full factions requires more daring (in the business sense) in trying to expand potential interests and thinking outside a simplified bottom line -- there's no easy way to measure 'people who don't end up spending money because they can't immediately play KDF or get turned off by the faction's incompleteness,' so they go with the easy -- moar fed ships!
And as for 'people want to play Fed, duh!", you could make the same argument about a lot of games which manage to have two very robust factions, like TOR and WoW.
USS Ultimatum sounds like any other Starfleet troll who only sees through blue colored glasses.
nobody on the KDF side ever plays Starfleet, so we are totally ignorant, I know...
/KDF isn't compete, so Starfleet needs more content!
/ the fact is they bungled the development, and the KDF (as it is now) should go away because they can barely develop one faction, but all we are left with is indifference
Kdf starbase interior previews
Now if only a KDF guild actually lasted long enough and had enough people to have a starbase!
Such hostility. Has Starfleet taught you nothing?
I'll take that as a "no, I'm incapable of completing the task".
What task were you incapable of completing? I'm not privy to the latest Starfleet Academy curriculum.
I do not think that is the problem. I expect this game to be biased toward Federation gameplay, but given the screen time the Klingons have had, I would hope that at the very least there would be enough content:
1) To have one of every class of ship from Lieutenant on up.
2) To level from Lieutenant using just PvE missions that are unique to the Klingon faction, giving players new content, new experiences, and a impetus for playing Klingon.
3) Give them unique gameplay abilities (the BoP and Carriers).
Cryptic has done some of these things pretty well and is woefully lacking in others.
Cryptic would be foolish to devote as much time to the KDF as the Feds, but they need to make the KDF faction a complete faction with lots of unique gameplay. They are a lot closer than when I started playing, but they still have a long way to go.
Carriers? *****d out.
Universal Stations? *****d out.
Cloaks? *****d out.
The Feds demanded unique KDF gameplay, and Cryptic always obliges. Next thing you know, Cryptic will cave in and offer up an Escort's firepower and maneuverability, with a cruiser's survivability, and offer up hangers to support fighter usage.
I have spent at least $190 (I just checked/added up) on KDF items. I have done my due diligence to show Cryptic that I am definitely interested in KDF goods and services.
I would happily double that if they did even the most minor of things to improve the situation: lower bar to entry, bring costumes up to par -- that's _all I ask_ at this point.
If they want my (and other long-time KDF players)' money, they just have to do more than a few ships and one mission over a year and some ham-handed shared missions. Don't get me wrong, the bortas'qu is cool, and it's a lot better than nothing. It's just also a far-cry from something.
There are however a few KDF ships I really want and do plan to get them, but until the KDF starts to see some decent work done on them, Cryptic will not be getting anymore money from me for the Federation nor past the last set of C-points I plan to buy for the Gamma Quadrant Duty Officers. I'll just use the dilithium exchange and the Monthly Stipend.
I just feel as Roach has stated, we as KDF fans and customers are not important enough in Cryptic's eyes as we are not the majority. It's sad and insulting and I hope they get hit in the head and come to their senses sooner rather than later.
Regretably it looks like Cryptic moves every criticsm to the KDF Forums so their disapear from the most frequentet forum.
In addition some Fed players have a new name for KDF players: Blood Whiners
It's a sad day for the Star Trek IP, yes it is.
...But as a free-to-play player I have to PAY them to create content that they don't want to be bothered with or spend time on ?
What business school did these bozo's attend ? If they continue to give the ONLY complete faction in their game all their attention eventually thats all that will be left playing their game THEN they will start to leave the game because they won't have anyone to use their new toys on.
EVERYONE should be entitled to a FREE foundry slot
Now you know why everyone is Fed.
What I think is happening right now, is that post purchase by PWE they have been given specific target numbers. (which is usually the case when one company buys another, especially when the parent company has stockholders)
They've looked at the paying populace and they are going where the money is.
I hope, I sincerely hope, that once they prove themselves over this year to PWE we start to see more of the things you are describing - branching out into more daring areas to develop as you said.
I think right now, they simply do not have the means to do that or they would be as I too feel it would be silly to ignore a customer base that I think we can assume is 12-18%.
I know my argument is unfortunately lost on most of the people who read these forums, and this thread - but the point is that right now no one is getting more content for the low end. There's no content coming down the pipe for anyone that isn't cross-faction, endgame content. I'm sure all of us hope this isn't a permanent situation.
Do I want to see more KDF ships? Of course! (as much as I love my guramba, Hegh'ta and Vo'Quv I'd love some new DPS options to play with)
I just don't think that threads like this help at all.
Very few companies focus on niche product lines when their core product is unfinished.
STO is unfinished, it needs a lot of work still.
The KDF is, UNFORTUNATELY (since you seem to miss that aspect of my posts repeatedly, I've typed it in bold this time), even more unfinished and now the content on hold affects the KDF more heavily.
Yes that's all well and good, I've spent a fair bit KDF side myself (not as much as you have) but let's say you and I represent the 1 to 10% of people who actually buy anything at all - that's fed or kdf side.
Fed side if 10% of all players actually spend money, assuming what I think is a generous (to the KDF) 80-85% population of Fed primary players - we are looking at 8% of the player base actually spending money.
KDF side, if we assume again a generous 15-20% population, and the same 10% of that number actually purchase something - we are looking at 1.5 to 2% actually spending money.
So using the higher number, 2% vs. 8% or 4x as many paying players - as a business you think that you would then devote equal development to both customer bases? Or would you devote 4x as much to the base with the higher ROI during a period where your core product still needs quite a lot of development?
That is using a number of 20% all players being KDF primary, this is unlikely to actually be the case.
DStahl's ancient quote of 18% was (paraphrasing) 18% of players had actually made a KDF character - not primary, not exclusively, not log on every single day - just "made" a character.
I'm not saying I'm happy about this, I'm saying this is what it is.
No, you shouldn't be quiet.
You should keep posting, but post smart, be persistent and be constructive (I realize that is REALLY hard at this stage of the game, with all of the promises that were never kept).
I'm saying that using constant ridiculous hyperbole like "being peed on" or tantrum throwing, whines and insults is going to get you absolutely nowhere.
Otherwise the good ideas and good posts just get drowned out in all of the noise.
Two years of being polite got us nowhere, so hey, it's not like it's going to get us LESS.
I honestly don't mean to suggest that the 'plight' of people not having as fun an experience as they'd like and being somewhat put upon in a pretendy game of pew pew starships is anything on par with real life oppression, BUUUUT...
The attitude of Fed players sounds an awful lot like other realworld issues, where the majority has said to a minority 'hey, don't rush, all in good time, we'll get there, calm down'.
Martin Luther King, Jr. had an excellent article on the subject (A Letter from a Birmingham Jail)
Again, I do not mean to say it's the same. But I think it stems from analogous basic human psychology of privilege.
In short, it's awfully convenient to caution patience when you aren't the one suffering for it.
When the lack of player interest is partly due to the state of the KDF . . .
I decided whenever I work up the gumption to buy a C-store character it'll be a Caitan instead of a Ferasan because I like playing a character 1-50.
Actually, it is quite the same. MLK is the role Cryptic would have us play. Herein lies the difference: We can log out of this RPG without consequence. MLK couldn't "log out" without making a permanent decision.
The best ideas were stalled by Fed players demanding loudly, impolite and selfish that all Dev intention is their's and KDF does not deserve attention at all. Not tofroget Mr Stahl himself who hates the KDF playerbase for their just fight.
Cryptic favoured this Them vs Us feeling with listening agai a nd again to the inpolite, agressive, harassing Federation players. This creates frustration and shows that Cryptic listens to the ones who scram loudest.
It annoys us even more when Federation players complain about something, from not having a fighter carrier to some thing they want and they get it like a spoilt child wanting that toy or chocolate. Yet when we ask nicely we are ignored, we scream loudly like some Federation players and we are told to stop being Blood Whiners etc.
Does that feel right for you? Is that fair?
We are all fans on this game, all Trek fans, most of us are paying customers through either subscriptions or through c-points on f2p accounts or even both and yet we are ignored, basically told though not in so many words that we aren't important enough.
Promises are made to us then several months later Cryptic goes back on them yet lives up to their promises to the Federation side. We feel belittled, unappreciated for our support of this game and Cryptic really needs to change this fast. We want to see something to show for our support, not some quick cash grab, a full campaign, more uniform options and some more playable free species like the Federation is all we want. We want to be equal to our Federation Brothers and Sisters, so we all can enjoy the game, no matter which faction we prefer, is this too much to ask?