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Caitian Carrier: Just admit you don't care about KDF.

SystemSystem Member, NoReporting Posts: 178,019 Arc User
edited April 2012 in Star Trek Online General Discussion
I figured I should be the one to say this. A while ago Captain Geko made a tweet about about something of a Caitian Carrier which brought up the whole federation carrier dispute which is almost as consistant as my Tier 5 Constitution Dispute that I love arguing about. Cryptic. I know CBS is on your tail 24/7, Hell I even spent a day trying to dig to see who your CBS corespondent is who doesn't even show his/her face on the forums. We have gone 2 years without a complete Klingon faction. Yet you want to give something ORIGINAL to the KDF to the feds? Are you trying to kill the 2nd faction? the second this thing comes out the KDF population will go down a lot and believe me with all the freebers hopping on lately I've seen up to Qo'Nos First City #100. Why are you doing this? Please tell me. I am an avid fan of Both factions but it seems so much to me that you enjoy torturing one.

I highly doubt I am going to get a response but I hope logical people like Katic and Roach come in this thread to fend for the Blade Of Destiny. The Bat'Leth wielders must have some originality.
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    Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    KDF players don't have to pay C-Points for a carrier. Federation players will. In a F2P market, that's essential. The carrier is the most-requested feature for Feds, so if they put it in the C-Store, they'll make literally thousands of dollars off of it.
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    Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Yeah same thing goes with a Tier 5 Constitution.

    Also you're wrong. Players have to pay for the Kar-Fi Carrier.
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    Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Well if klingon faction in STO is only about the noncanon carriers I suggest that cryptic gives all starfleet designs cloak, improved turnrate and dual cannons, adds BoP equivalents, and switches all p2w klingon consoles with their fed "counterpart", instead of introducing a fed carrier.

    Having unique ship classes won't ever solve the main problem of the klingon faction: The lack of real content.
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    Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Schneemann wrote: »
    Well if klingon faction in STO is only about the noncanon carriers I suggest that cryptic gives all starfleet designs cloak, improved turnrate and dual cannons, adds BoP equivalents, and switches all p2w klingon consoles with their fed "counterpart", instead of introducing a fed carrier. :)

    Having unique ship classes won't ever solve the main problem of the klingon faction: The lack of real content.

    It's not like hasn't been proposed/requested/demanded before.
    The funny thing is that it started out with players proposing/requesting/demanding Federation ships with cloaks.
    For balance.
    Back then players pedicted that it wouldn't take long after players got their wish that they'd start proposing/requesting/demanding cloaks to be upgraded to battlecloaks and of course that there should be Federation carriers as well.
    Guess what kind of threads we've been seeing since then.:rolleyes:
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    Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    But, any unique features helps.
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    Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Schneemann wrote: »
    Well if klingon faction in STO is only about the noncanon carriers I suggest that cryptic gives all starfleet designs cloak, improved turnrate and dual cannons, adds BoP equivalents, and switches all p2w klingon consoles with their fed "counterpart", instead of introducing a fed carrier. :)

    Having unique ship classes won't ever solve the main problem of the klingon faction: The lack of real content.

    Better turn rates? The Odyssey turns better than the Bortas, the T5 Defiant turns better than the T5 raptor. Just because the ship with the least shields and hull has the best turn rate does not mean all KDF ships enjoy a superior turn rate relative to their Fed counterparts.
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    Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Chris8016 wrote: »
    But, any unique features helps.

    Not really. You can have all theunique features in the world, it would not help the lack of content. It is the lack of content that put more people off than the unique features will attract. Add to that would you want people playing KDF because they want to play it or just for the "unique" feature?

    I tried playing KDF side and gave up as running around the city is so eye gougingly dull as starter quests. Compare that to the Fed starter quests and there really is no comparison. The only reason I haven't deleted my KDF character is because she has the 2nd anniversary ship and incase they improve the content. They could have mirrored the quests with little faction tweaks and it would be a lot better than the current starters.
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    Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    You do, of course, realize that the Caitian Carrier was very bad joke right? ... Riiiight?
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    Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    piwright42 wrote: »
    Better turn rates? The Odyssey turns better than the Bortas, the T5 Defiant turns better than the T5 raptor. Just because the ship with the least shields and hull has the best turn rate does not mean all KDF ships enjoy a superior turn rate relative to their Fed counterparts.

    going off topic here and i may just be randomly stabbing in the dark but the defiant i remember reading somewhere that it was phased out pretty quickly because the engines were to powerful for the structure to handle and it required constant repairs the older it got or am i just talking TRIBBLE here?? i mentioned it because you mentioned the defiant

    Shinkuu_Akagan wrote:
    You do, of course, realize that the Caitian Carrier was very bad joke right? ... Riiiight?

    I also remember it being a joke
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    Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Shinkuu_Akagan wrote:
    You do, of course, realize that the Caitian Carrier was very bad joke right? ... Riiiight?

    As far as I know only the pic was a joke, not the ship itself.
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    Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    kalic89 wrote:
    going off topic here and i may just be randomly stabbing in the dark but the defiant i remember reading somewhere that it was phased out pretty quickly because the engines were to powerful for the structure to handle and it required constant repairs the older it got or am i just talking TRIBBLE here?? i mentioned it because you mentioned the defiant

    I mentioned the Defiant as there are 3 different versions of it in the game. But yeah I remember something similar to that effect.
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    Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Kalic89. All this Phased out stuff is getting annoying. Starfleet and the KDF may like to make things bigger. but thats where Retrofits of older ships come around. so they can be the old glories of the fleets. I don't care what CBS says. anything that is a shell can be plastered with new tech to make it just as good as the new stuff. Look at the Excelsior Retrofit.
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    Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    DecadeComplete wrote:
    Yeah same thing goes with a Tier 5 Constitution.

    Also you're wrong. Players have to pay for the Kar-Fi Carrier.
    Eulif_Davis wrote:
    KDF players don't have to pay C-Points for a carrier. Federation players will. In a F2P market, that's essential. The carrier is the most-requested feature for Feds, so if they put it in the C-Store, they'll make literally thousands of dollars off of it.
    We have had to pay for many of the newer ships as well.
    Schneemann wrote: »
    Well if klingon faction in STO is only about the noncanon carriers I suggest that cryptic gives all starfleet designs cloak, improved turnrate and dual cannons, adds BoP equivalents, and switches all p2w klingon consoles with their fed "counterpart", instead of introducing a fed carrier. :)

    Having unique ship classes won't ever solve the main problem of the klingon faction: The lack of real content.
    Its not just about the Carriers ( a vessel many KDF fans never asked for but was given us by the Devs to make the KDF different) but the entire 2 years of " We are working on the KDF- really" and " Here is a new {thing} for the federation" that always seems to be a lot like something the KDF enjoyed as different.
    Many aspects of the Empire that had set it apart from the gameplay of the feds, have been slowly (or in some cases quickly) lost to us and yet we still have an incomplete level of faction gameplay.

    To answer the more direct statement. Two vessels of the federation have cloak (and good reasons why), the Turnrate buff came through for cruisers a little while back (if memory serves), The Dreadnaught can mount cannons, the MVA is the BoP equivalent (and better in many respects) and the feds have thier own P2W consoles.

    Though Schneemann is absolutlely correct. The main issue with the KDF is not that we have little to call unique anymore or our own, its that we have no foundation for the Empire. No factional content that matters and no long term story to drive it., though what little we have is awesome while it lasts.
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    Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Also I'd like to mention another thing. The joke picture for the Caitain Carrier had Necciles of the Janeway Shuttle from the episode "Endgame". Meaning they are already in development of that shuttle while the KDF only have.....3

    https://twitter.com/#!/CaptainGeko/status/166697874913099776/photo/1
    Tweet for proof.
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    Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    As I understood there were / are discussions / development for a caitian (flight deck cruiser/) carrier. After this news was out someone made the caitian carrier "fanart" which geko later posted on twitter.

    Thus unless a dev states otherwise I assume the fed carrier wasn't just a joke.
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    Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    a joke image is FAR from proof of anything being developed. Photoshop in the hands of a skilled user can do a lot. the Nacelles are just that, Nacelles, nothing more, nothing less.
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    Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    DecadeComplete wrote:
    Kalic89. All this Phased out stuff is getting annoying. Starfleet and the KDF may like to make things bigger. but thats where Retrofits of older ships come around. so they can be the old glories of the fleets. I don't care what CBS says. anything that is a shell can be plastered with new tech to make it just as good as the new stuff. Look at the Excelsior Retrofit.

    mine was just a general question if that was right or wrong i was unsure if i had seen it somewhere or if i had just dreamed it up and thought i saw it somewhere
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    Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    DecadeComplete wrote:
    Yet you want to give something ORIGINAL to the KDF to the feds? Are you trying to kill the 2nd faction?


    Here are the top 5 problems, IMO, with the KDF faction:

    1) Severe lack of content.
    2) Severe lack of content.
    3) Eye-melting red UI that can't be modified.
    4) Poor execution of concept: Mish mash of "villain" thug races, instead of the unique monolithic faction they should be. Instead they end up as the 'anti-federation', which is how the Dominion was conceived, not the Klingons.
    5) Severe lack of content.
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    Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Why does lack of content grant something original to be lost?
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    Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    USS_Ultimatum wrote:
    Here are the top 5 problems, IMO, with the KDF faction:

    1) Severe lack of content.
    2) Severe lack of content.
    3) Eye-melting red UI that can't be modified.
    4) Poor execution of concept: Mish mash of "villain" thug races, instead of the unique monolithic faction they should be. Instead they end up as the 'anti-federation', which is how the Dominion was conceived, not the Klingons.
    5) Severe lack of content.

    I see an even bigger issue than the things you mention. The fact that Perfect World stated it wanted a better KDF faction, and all Cryptic has to show for it is 1 new planned KDF episode for all of 2012. Maybe Perfect World should start hiring more devs exclusively for KDF content. They would have diplomatic immunity from DStahl so that he couldn't move them into a FED development team :P
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    Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Sorry but the biggest problem I have with the KDF side is the ship I'd like to fly all come from the C-store, and I don't really want to purchase a ship I might not actually use. I remember the grinding on that side.
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    Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    I hope we get a really big wall of text answer from someone at Cryptic regarding the KDF and their uniqueness.

    Sure Perfect World wants to make a full fledged KDF faction. But We don't want to unlock story missions and uniqueness with Lock Boxes.
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    Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    DecadeComplete wrote:
    Why does lack of content grant something original to be lost?

    Lack of content is what has kept the KDF in the state it is in, and not your premise that they are losing their lack of uniqueness.

    Their ships all have different hulls, skins, shield ratings, turn rates, BOFF layouts, etc. vs. Feds.

    They are unique by default.

    Your entire premise is flawed, because its not targeting the actual issue with the KDF: Lack of content.
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    Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Actually yes it is. Hence the 2nd sentence. Perfect world says they care about the KDF, PVP, all that jazz. but so far the only thing we have got from them is a bunch of new players and lock boxes.
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    Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    USS_Ultimatum wrote:
    Lack of content is what has kept the KDF in the state it is in, and not your premise that they are losing their lack of uniqueness.

    Their ships all have different hulls, skins, shield ratings, turn rates, BOFF layouts, etc. vs. Feds.

    They are unique by default.

    Your entire premise is flawed, because its not targeting the actual issue with the KDF: Lack of content.

    Isn't uniqueness it's own variety of content?
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    Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    piwright42 wrote: »
    Isn't uniqueness it's own variety of content?

    What good is 'uniqueness' if you can't do anything with it? if there's nothing to do with that uniqueness?
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    Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    piwright42 wrote: »
    Isn't uniqueness it's own variety of content?

    To put it simply, no.
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    Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Frankly, carriers are too slow and cumbersome for my liking. I'd rather have a Caitian escort ship with a turn-rate as good as the defiant retrofit's. If Caitians are stealthy and nimble, shouldn't their ship designs and ship tactics reflect this? It just seems odd to me that the Caitians would choose a yacht over a speed boat.
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    Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    DecadeComplete wrote:
    Yeah same thing goes with a Tier 5 Constitution.

    Also you're wrong. Players have to pay for the Kar-Fi Carrier.

    I got mine for free when it first came out.

    Also....the tweet I recall OP was a spoof of a cat in one of those carrying bags with nacelles on it orbiting ESD.
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    Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Xenor-Nyiad wrote: »
    I got mine for free when it first came out.

    Yes, but remember what happened to the VA tokens.;)
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