So...which is it? Oberth in, or out??
Also...why allow for the Ent-B Excelsior at T2, after the Cinnie refit, but exclude the original Excelsior, that was a step beyond the Connie refit? I say this in that by ST III, the Enterprise was 20(+) years old while Excelsior was new construction. Shouldnt maybe Excelsior be T2, and Ent B T3 or 4??
Just curious...
In because there would because otherwise there would be nothing for t1 exploration. Looks like I have listed her two times, my bad.
And why allowing the Ent B excelsior on tg3(not t2) is simple: We know that she was a lot stronger than the Conny and was, in the 24th century already able to punch a defaint.
The Enterprise's Design back than was btw already 40 years old, and not just twenty.
And not the original Excelsior should imho be left out.
By the middle of the 24th century all Excelsior ships should have already been refitted to Lakota/Ent-B
I also doubt that the Excelsior would be compatible with the Galaxy class of that time, becaus eshe has a lot more shield power than the Defaint class.
this thread still alive ?
oh well for what its worth the only people whos views count are CBS they said no
so even if i wanted it which i dont its a no
this thread still alive ?
oh well for what its worth the only people whos views count are CBS they said no
so even if i wanted it which i dont its a no
If you join the fight. Anything is possible. CBS said no. BUT that doesn't mean I'm going to stop. its not just the Constitution I want to see at endgame. its FREEDOM of all ships at endgame I want to see. All Factions.
Okay, time for a little reality check. If Cryptic would have been concerned with upholding canon the standard uniforms would have been AGT/Endgame. The first available T5 ships in the game would have been the Galaxy-X, the Rhodes Island Nova, the Intrepid-Refit and the Prometheus. They never ever would have included either variant of the Constitution, NX, D'kyr, Oberth or Miranda except maybe the latter ones as low-powered NPCs. And they never would have made the old ships having exchangeable parts with completely new ships. And they never would have allowed low-powered starter ships to take out enemy high end ships.
But they did all of that. I can make a beautiful Constitution with Sovereign-like nacelles, which has taken apart Klingon Negh'vars, Breen Cruisers, Romulan D'deridexes, a Scimitar-type and several Borg cubes. But it will be easily overpowered by a 100 year older Vulcan ship it destroyed with a few torpedo shots in the hardest on-screen canon possible. Cryptic will not change the game in any way to bring it closer to what I described above. So, if it already craps all over canon I at least want to fly my favourite ship
If you join the fight. Anything is possible. CBS said no. BUT that doesn't mean I'm going to stop. its not just the Constitution I want to see at endgame. its FREEDOM of all ships at endgame I want to see. All Factions.
For a game with such amounts of customization in avatars, this game really kills customization when dealing with the ship avatars.
The tier system, while it does allow you to have more customization options as you rank up, it also removes just as many if you want to not be 'underpowered'.
For a game with such amounts of customization in avatars, this game really kills customization when dealing with the ship avatars.
The tier system, while it does allow you to have more customization options as you rank up, it also removes just as many if you want to not be 'underpowered'.
The error is ultimately linking the tier system and the cosmetics.
What would have worked better with Cryptic's idea of "avatar customization" is that you unlock new costumes as you increase in level, but your ship stats are determined by your level. Maybe you have to "retrofit" your ship to upgrade it to a new tier instead of taking one of the new costume options.
Sure, this isn't exactly close to canon logic. We'd expect a Consitution to be weaker than a Galaxy class at all times.
But does canon trump the fun of customizability? In a game made by Cryptic, who says avatar customizability is one of their strengths?
Personally, I am usually more on the side of canon logic. And I don't think the Connie looks fits aesthetically in anything but the TOS series. But Cryptic already broke the canon logic too often to make it matter anymore. Everytime I look at the "modularized" space ships, ~30 "uniforms", and 4 distinct Sovereign variants that Starfleet built for some reason without any technical differences between them, I think the canon logic ship has already sailed. If my suspension of disbelief is strong enough to deal with that, a Tier 5 Nova, Connie or whatever works for me.
I suspect my suspension of disbelief would only break at Tier 5 Runabouts.
I hate to play devils advocate here but shuttle gear scales, shuttles themselves do not. You do not get more BO stations or weapons hardpoints on your shuttle as you level up.
If you join the fight. Anything is possible. CBS said no. BUT that doesn't mean I'm going to stop. its not just the Constitution I want to see at endgame. its FREEDOM of all ships at endgame I want to see. All Factions.
one of the definitions of insanity is repeating the same action over and over again and expecting a different result.
there is no 'fight' to join. anything is not 'possible' cbs said no and that is the end of it. you can scream till you're blue in the face but the answer is still no. your actions here are not rational.
its been made very very clear that this is not going to happen. what you are doing here is both a waste of time and an indication you aren't thinking rationally about it.
put your efforts toward something that actually has a possibility of happening.
one of the definitions of insanity is repeating the same action over and over again and expecting a different result.
there is no 'fight' to join. anything is not 'possible' cbs said no and that is the end of it. you can scream till you're blue in the face but the answer is still no. your actions here are not rational.
its been made very very clear that this is not going to happen. what you are doing here is both a waste of time and an indication you aren't thinking rationally about it.
put your efforts toward something that actually has a possibility of happening.
There are different definitions of the word "impossible" at work here. You know, seeing what CBS allowed at T5 it could be reasonable to assume that they could change their minds to allow the TMP Constitution. Just because they said "no" once doesn't mean it's their last word.
Impossible would be a visit of SG-1 or a Venator-class Star Destroyer as a playable ship.
one of the definitions of insanity is repeating the same action over and over again and expecting a different result.
there is no 'fight' to join. anything is not 'possible' cbs said no and that is the end of it. you can scream till you're blue in the face but the answer is still no. your actions here are not rational.
its been made very very clear that this is not going to happen. what you are doing here is both a waste of time and an indication you aren't thinking rationally about it.
put your efforts toward something that actually has a possibility of happening.
Sorry I say let us Make The Wheel Squeal as you know people The Squeaky Wheel Gets The Grease:D
Plus didn't CBS say ' No high tier constitution' instead of 'No t5 Constitution' :rolleyes:?
I still say: Give them the Conny look-alike from the Enterprise F contest.
I think that is a pretty fair compromise or everyone...
This!
That's what a lot of people didn't understand about my stance on the T5 Connie, I NEVER wanted a T5 connie. I wanted a brand new skin that just gave small nod(s) to the connie, maybe an Excaliber retrofit with a small treatment - and I'd honestly love to have the venture/oddysey treatment done to that design,
Basically, I want an fresh new skin that's somewhat of a tribute to the connie.
That's not what CBS said at all. In fact, we never got their actual statements given to us. Not once. Just PR Spin by the forums' two biggest spin doctors in my entire time playing the game. Neither of whom will be here after this game goes free to play.
My take on the Connie at tier 4.5 is hell no. The connie barely has a place as a t1 ship. Sorry but with how old it is it shouldn't even be in the game, the only reason it is in there is for nostalgia, that's about it. It should never be in a position where it should give a modern day ship a run for its money.
My take on the Connie at tier 4.5 is hell no. The connie barely has a place as a t1 ship. Sorry but with how old it is it shouldn't even be in the game, the only reason it is in there is for nostalgia, that's about it. It should never be in a position where it should give a modern day ship a run for its money.
MMM looks like you are an IT IS MY WAY OR THE HIGHWAY kind of guy too bad you are so narrow minded. But for me you play whatever ship you want and I will ask for the one I want.
I want an End game constitution class ship. (Squeak)
My take on the Connie at tier 4.5 is hell no. The connie barely has a place as a t1 ship. Sorry but with how old it is it shouldn't even be in the game, the only reason it is in there is for nostalgia, that's about it. It should never be in a position where it should give a modern day ship a run for its money.
Since you have successfully survived the inlcusion of the Excelsior, the B'rel and a ship that was one-shotted by a TOS Constitution with one use of HYT at T5 you will forgive me if I believe that a T5 Constitution wouldn't hurt you either.
How come we don't have a Connie Refit at endgame? It's like the same age as the Bird of Prey, which we have at endgame, but we can't have the Connie Refit, even though it is the ship that everyone associates with Star Trek?
Or like the Vesper? It's like brand new, and we can't have one? I think I read someone said no old ships at endgame, but the Vesper and the Excalibur aren't old. They are brand new!
It doesn't make much sense why the Klingons can have their ship, but the Federation can't?
Maybe this is what people want? The person who tweeted the question specifically asked for CapnLogan to do a future retrofit of the T2 connie, hopefully it will also be available at T5.
I've suggested for a long time that they make something like a connie, but not a connie, add it to the vesper and excalibur and make a tier 4.5 or 5 version. A high tier light cruiser would be useful I think.
Cryptic doesn't want a 20+ year old museum on the same level with ships in the T5 range. I mean come on....a connie destroying a Sovereign....do you really think that's even feasible?
It's not a matter of what Cryptic wants or does not want when it comes to what ship lies at what tier.
It's a matter of what CBS wants more than anything.
Anymore and we all know what Cryptic wants. The same thing as what any other successful business uses to gauge success. When it comes down to that well we pro Connie folk voted long ago when we ponied up 1400 CP for a special interior for a T1 ship.
Cryptic doesn't want a 20+ year old museum on the same level with ships in the T5 range. I mean come on....a connie destroying a Sovereign....do you really think that's even feasible?
And people will point out we already have designs at T5 that are over 100 years old...
Negative Nancy is negative. Although in algebra that would be a positive which, I guess, is why you are not supposed to have double negatives in a sentence.
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In because there would because otherwise there would be nothing for t1 exploration. Looks like I have listed her two times, my bad.
And why allowing the Ent B excelsior on tg3(not t2) is simple: We know that she was a lot stronger than the Conny and was, in the 24th century already able to punch a defaint.
The Enterprise's Design back than was btw already 40 years old, and not just twenty.
And not the original Excelsior should imho be left out.
By the middle of the 24th century all Excelsior ships should have already been refitted to Lakota/Ent-B
I also doubt that the Excelsior would be compatible with the Galaxy class of that time, becaus eshe has a lot more shield power than the Defaint class.
1) The age argument is well and truely DEAD
2) Expect more T5 Connie threads as I expect people to be wanting one of these at endgame.
oh well for what its worth the only people whos views count are CBS they said no
so even if i wanted it which i dont its a no
If you join the fight. Anything is possible. CBS said no. BUT that doesn't mean I'm going to stop. its not just the Constitution I want to see at endgame. its FREEDOM of all ships at endgame I want to see. All Factions.
But they did all of that. I can make a beautiful Constitution with Sovereign-like nacelles, which has taken apart Klingon Negh'vars, Breen Cruisers, Romulan D'deridexes, a Scimitar-type and several Borg cubes. But it will be easily overpowered by a 100 year older Vulcan ship it destroyed with a few torpedo shots in the hardest on-screen canon possible. Cryptic will not change the game in any way to bring it closer to what I described above. So, if it already craps all over canon I at least want to fly my favourite ship
http://fenvar.lima-city.de/StarTrek/Korrek/Ahwahnee92048.png
It can't hurt anyones immersion more than the rest of the game.
For a game with such amounts of customization in avatars, this game really kills customization when dealing with the ship avatars.
The tier system, while it does allow you to have more customization options as you rank up, it also removes just as many if you want to not be 'underpowered'.
What would have worked better with Cryptic's idea of "avatar customization" is that you unlock new costumes as you increase in level, but your ship stats are determined by your level. Maybe you have to "retrofit" your ship to upgrade it to a new tier instead of taking one of the new costume options.
Sure, this isn't exactly close to canon logic. We'd expect a Consitution to be weaker than a Galaxy class at all times.
But does canon trump the fun of customizability? In a game made by Cryptic, who says avatar customizability is one of their strengths?
Personally, I am usually more on the side of canon logic. And I don't think the Connie looks fits aesthetically in anything but the TOS series. But Cryptic already broke the canon logic too often to make it matter anymore. Everytime I look at the "modularized" space ships, ~30 "uniforms", and 4 distinct Sovereign variants that Starfleet built for some reason without any technical differences between them, I think the canon logic ship has already sailed. If my suspension of disbelief is strong enough to deal with that, a Tier 5 Nova, Connie or whatever works for me.
I suspect my suspension of disbelief would only break at Tier 5 Runabouts.
Shuttles actually scale with level a bit iirc...
Exactly. So Tier 5 shuttle sarcasm is instantly moot when some people pull it out.
Mustrum's point remains valid.
one of the definitions of insanity is repeating the same action over and over again and expecting a different result.
there is no 'fight' to join. anything is not 'possible' cbs said no and that is the end of it. you can scream till you're blue in the face but the answer is still no. your actions here are not rational.
its been made very very clear that this is not going to happen. what you are doing here is both a waste of time and an indication you aren't thinking rationally about it.
put your efforts toward something that actually has a possibility of happening.
There are different definitions of the word "impossible" at work here. You know, seeing what CBS allowed at T5 it could be reasonable to assume that they could change their minds to allow the TMP Constitution. Just because they said "no" once doesn't mean it's their last word.
Impossible would be a visit of SG-1 or a Venator-class Star Destroyer as a playable ship.
Sorry I say let us Make The Wheel Squeal as you know people The Squeaky Wheel Gets The Grease:D
This!
That's what a lot of people didn't understand about my stance on the T5 Connie, I NEVER wanted a T5 connie. I wanted a brand new skin that just gave small nod(s) to the connie, maybe an Excaliber retrofit with a small treatment - and I'd honestly love to have the venture/oddysey treatment done to that design,
Basically, I want an fresh new skin that's somewhat of a tribute to the connie.
MMM looks like you are an IT IS MY WAY OR THE HIGHWAY kind of guy too bad you are so narrow minded. But for me you play whatever ship you want and I will ask for the one I want.
I want an End game constitution class ship. (Squeak)
Since you have successfully survived the inlcusion of the Excelsior, the B'rel and a ship that was one-shotted by a TOS Constitution with one use of HYT at T5 you will forgive me if I believe that a T5 Constitution wouldn't hurt you either.
Hey remember how I said the T2.5 Cruiser would likly kill the age argument and cuase a new flare up of endgame connie threads
It's becuase the venture/oddysey treatment is exactly what it looks like its getting.
Or like the Vesper? It's like brand new, and we can't have one? I think I read someone said no old ships at endgame, but the Vesper and the Excalibur aren't old. They are brand new!
It doesn't make much sense why the Klingons can have their ship, but the Federation can't?
Connie retrofit? - http://twitter.com/#!/CapnLogan/status/114815946048286720/photo/1
I look forward to all these ships getting the future 25th century look update.:D
EDIT: According to the Stoked guys it is not tier 5
T4.5 cnnie=NO
how bout a T4.17363037 connie?
seriously, give it up, it's not gonna happen
Cryptic doesn't want a 20+ year old museum on the same level with ships in the T5 range. I mean come on....a connie destroying a Sovereign....do you really think that's even feasible?
It's a matter of what CBS wants more than anything.
Anymore and we all know what Cryptic wants. The same thing as what any other successful business uses to gauge success. When it comes down to that well we pro Connie folk voted long ago when we ponied up 1400 CP for a special interior for a T1 ship.
Anti Connie folk have yet to do that much.
And people will point out we already have designs at T5 that are over 100 years old...
Definitely feasible. The Constitution class ship can hang with the Excelsior class ship. Which in this game is superior to the Sovereign.
We still need the tier 5 though. How can you give us a wicked new look and not let us use it endgame?