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Well with all the love Federation ships are getting to even up with Imperial warships, what love should the Raptor Get?
Turn-Rate Booster?
More Damage?
Better Armor?
Universal Ensign Slot?
A Beam Lance?
Turn-Rate Booster?
More Damage?
Better Armor?
Universal Ensign Slot?
A Beam Lance?
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What upgrades are you talking about? The only ships that got any upgrades recently were science ships, and they all needed it, sensor analysis helps the weak damage output, and several science ships, including the Varanus, got a turn rate upgrade to fix their lousy performance as actual science ships. And the Galaxy X got a much needed weapon slot and lance improvement to bring it closer in line with other cruisers.
But those ships needed the improvements. So why does the Raptor need anything? Its a good ship right where it is.
I have to agree fully with ya the raptor don't need anything.
I'm down with this.
The Raptor is fine.
Some skins ohh yea love to see that
Talk of love later.
Preferable I'd like to see some _free_ new ship costumes. Not C-Store stuff. Sell some fancy Fed uniform in C-Store to afford your KDF costumes if necessary.
Sure a few more classes of ships would be great, but being able to utilize more costume options would be a quick fix to appease the KDF in the short term. Note, I said appease short term, not fix and satisfy.
Speaking for myself, I want more for the KDF in the way of ships, missions, storyline, costume options, Targ/saurian handling, etc but am tired of being told "no" by the feds everytime the subject is brought up whilst they cry foul of our faction being too powerful in thier vaunted opinions.
So I wait patiently, play the game and see if the Devs will allow fed pandering to undermine every other aspect of STO much like the situation PvP seems to be slowly/quickly falling into currently.
Biding my time until I decided that the game is so far gone from common sense as to not be worth my refering to those I know whom have asked of it and how it plays.
Harsh, most certainly, but I tire of the petty BS and grow bored with being told me place by those whom deem themselves my betters.
There is a strict hierarchy in STO that is enforced by some but by no means all players
1. Fed-only players, those who "don't play a useless species" and yes, I can quote that:
http://forums.startrekonline.com/showpost.php?p=3160619&postcount=52
2. God, not blasphemy, it just feels right to place him here
3. Tainted creatures like me, who have characters on both sides
4. The horrible ones, you know the ones who only play the useless species.
Like Me. maH DichDaq Qaw' DIvI'!
Then again I've always been a non-conformist and anti-popularity minded.
HMM, we'll see if your call "We will destroy the Federation!" will have its expected result but I don't understand that other stuff you're writing:
non-con...non-com....non-communist?
I don't understand why you don't like communists....must be because I'm one of those mentally challenged half-breeds.
Our cranial capacity is vastly inferior to that of all those pure Federation-dudes.
Non-Conformists. Meaning I can't form convicts into other shapes very well. Though maybe comminist convicts are easier to bend?
as to the love a Raptor should get. My only suggestion would be drop a ENG console slot and give the LG version a 17 turn score.
Have you tried breaking their bones?
Those crunchy...tasty bones...?
HMMM....booones
http://www.allmystery.de/dateien/uh62290,1272288490,homer_simpson.jpg
Doesn't a Mk11 RCS console have a similar effect?
It takes over one ENG console and increases the turnrate.
My proposal for a Raptor that fills a gap at max level would certainly by one that shifts the ship's focus towards science, away from Tactical.
With a decent amount of science slots and a Sci BO setup and a reduced armament, 3/3 no cannons.
I know some folks will laugh at me for this because Raptor and science sounds contradictory.
But I guess it's as non-conformistic as your ideas.
And I'd say a Raptor with a fixed science arrangement would probably be a very attractive and useful alternative to the BoP.
Also the Raptor all the Raptors in this game come from was a scout not a starship-killer so it's not as out of the box as it may sound.
Could be a gorn or Orien ship to equip with cloak
4/2 turn rate of fed escorts
hull and shields of a Heg BOP
Comander tactical
LtC Sci
LT tact
Lt eng
E- Tact optional nagated
special power CD 1:15
Attack pattern Zetta, increaces duration damage buff exiting cloak by 5 sec, 10 sec 15% damage stength buff added, critical chance raised by 5%, negative -15 aux when activated
When loosing your ensign power for a upgrade version of APZ
Upgrade Zetta, increaces duration damage buff exiting cloak by 5 sec, 10 sec 25% buff damage strength, critical chance raised by 5%, -15 power level , each critical your oppenets lands reduces the CD of Attack patern Zetta by 5 sec up to 30 sec
Hull: 33000
Turn Rate: 15
Impulse Modifier:0.2
Inertia: 60
Weapons: 3/3
Cloak
Consoles:
Engineering: 2
Science:3
Tactical:4
BO setup:
Lt. Engineering
Ensign Science, LtC Science
Lt Tactical, Commander Tactical
Various Ideas I have for the Raptor....obviously not ALL of these. *That was my disclaimer for those who are reading impaired.
1. Increased turn rate.
2. Battle Cloak instead of Standard Cloak
3. Replace the Ensign Tac station with either a Engineer or Science station
4. Replace one Science Console with a Universal Console? Just thought of this one but not enough to think if it would be a good/bad idea...opinions?
Those are the ones I've come up with that I think would be easy to implement without being game breakers. My hope would be to provide a nice alternative to the BoP for KDF players in end game PvP.
Things that I never expect to change (at least until the Romulans become available)
1) Only BoPs have acccess to Battlecloak
2) Every ship class at tier 5+ will have access to at least 2 consoles of every type.
Maybe the fact that the BoP is favored over the Raptor gives even more credence to the idea that the BoP is overpowered? Or if not the BoP is overpowered, that the powers are not well enough balanced, making a cross-class combation of Commander and Lt.Cmdr slot more effective then the existing ones?
I know that with a worse console layout and a better turn rate than the Raptor, the Tactical Escort Retrofit is one of the most seen Escorts in the game. The second favored always seemed to have been Fleet Escort. The MVAM might have changed things.
So I think that's everything that you need to change with the Raptor. Ditch the engineering console, add 2 points of turn rate.
If you change its Ensign to an Engineering Ensign, you basically have a Fleet Escort with cloak. Can that really be balanced? I think not. I find it already questionable that the Neg'Var has the same hp as all Tier 5 Cruisers on the Fed side, and a vastly better turn rate. But arguably, for a Cruiser the turn rate is not as crucial. (Yet, people that complain the Excelsior is OP make this as one major argument for the ship).
That would basically turn it exactly into what the MVAM has now at tier 5, minus the MVAM mode, but plus cloak and an regular science console.
I am opposed to adding Science Vessels to all tiers for the KDF. If we do that, we will have Federation BoPs as well, soon. And then, Carriers. Nothing of that I want either. I like the factions to be different.
But it would make sense to me that the KDF would put a focus on "tactical exploration". E.g. they fly into hostile territory, scan the dung out of it, and then conquer everything that seems worthy.
On the one hand we have the question whether the Klingons should have a variety to their Raptor fleet similar to the Federation Escort fleet, which might moke the BoP somewhat obsolete.
On the other hand there is the question how balanced such additions would be given that the Raptor has more hullpoints unless I'm mistaken) and a cloak while keeping the same amount of consoles as its Federation counterparts.
Does this mean that since the Raptor has more HP and a cloak that it must remain as "overspecialized" as it is right now, given that is has 3 tactical consoles?
Or does it mean that additional variants, like the "Reconaissance in force" version I posted, should have some kind of disadvantage to offset its increased flexiibility?