Designed by Activision, owned by Activision, not usable by Cryptic.
You have to understand how the Star Trek License works.
A company gets the rights to canon materials only, not to every piece it content ever released under the Star Trek name.
Cryptic can only use ships like the Luna or in the future the Vesta because Pocket Books allows it.
Why do you think none of the Interplay-designed ships from SFC1&2 were in SFC3?
Because even though Activision got the license to make the game, they did not get the license for the ships from Interplay.
Designed by Activision, owned by Activision, not usable by Cryptic.
You have to understand how the Star Trek License works.
A company gets the rights to canon materials only, not to every piece it content ever released under the Star Trek name.
Cryptic can only use ships like the Luna or in the future the Vesta because Pocket Books allows it.
Why do you think none of the Interplay-designed ships from SFC1&2 were in SFC3?
Because even though Activision got the license to make the game, they did not get the license for the ships from Interplay.
Good luck trying to explain IP law and IP/Patent rights to the Trekkie universe...let me know how that goes
There are still quite a few Klingon ships from the series which are nit ingame already. Also some of the ingame NPC ships could be converted. Regretably there seems no interest to give us more ship skins.
There are still quite a few Klingon ships from the series which are nit ingame already. Also some of the ingame NPC ships could be converted. Regretably there seems no interest to give us more ship skins.
They said at some point that converting them would emtail more than just adding the ability to fly them, they'd have to add some details to them as well.
In case of the Gorn ships I have no clue what, paticularly since the Gorn cruiser seems to have more/better details that some Klingon ships like the K'Tanco.
As for missing Klingon ships, which ones are you referring to aside from the K'Vort and some 250+ year old junk?
If the Feds can have their 250 year old junk at T5 why can't we have the ships from the period as well?
It would have loved it to fly a D5.
So you point to stupid mistakes and say: "I want some of those mistakes, too.":)
In the "The Left Hand of Destiny" novels, even Martok refers to the D5 as "junk" that should tell you something about how even Klingons feel about those old ships.:p
My counterproposal, especially since the old Klingon ships are rather tiny (the K't'inga is smaller than the T2 Raptor and the T4 and T5 BoPs) woud be something similar to what the Klingons did with the T2 Raptor:
It's a ship with a shape similar to the old ship but considerably larger (240 vs 140 meters) and it's also explicitly called a new ship in this article:
After the Dominion War, the Klingon Empire embarked on an aggressive period of starship design and construction to replace ships lost during the war and subsequent conflicts.
Facing the increasing demands of Chancellor Martok and the Klingon High Council to create more ships in less time, the design teams at the shipyards of Ty'Gokor looked to the past for inspiration for new ships for the Empire.
The Raptor class of the 22nd century was a small frigate intended for use as a scout ship. Its limited weapons and small crew compliment made it a ship for hit-and-run raids rather than extended conflicts. It was, according to lead designer Kurak of the House of Palkar, "capable of winning a battle, but not a war."
The new Raptor shares the basic geometry of its ancestor but is larger and packs a much more powerful punch. The ship is classified as a destroyer and is fast, maneuverable and armed to the teeth.
An improved cloaking device allows it to travel at warp six or higher without radiating a subspace variance detectable by Federation sensors and particle dampeners limit the Raptor's emissions of tetryon particles. Ablative tetraburnium alloy hull plating adapted from captured Federation technology allows the ship to fight longer and harder.
Fore and aft torpedo launchers and disruptor beam arrays give the Raptor the ability to take on multiple foes at once, and a disruptor cannon and twin disruptor beam banks make it a dangerous opponent. While many of the weapons on the Raptor class are designed for a frontal attack, it can deal damage from almost any angle and then turn quickly for a decisive strike against a wounded foe.
The Klingon Defense Force is assigning some of its most aggressive and ambitious captains to the new Raptor vessels, and they have scored some impressive victories against Federation and Romulan targets. Captains of Raptor class ships are fond of overcharging their weapon banks for greater effect, and Federation ships facing a Raptor are warned to be prepared for these devastating attacks.
If the Raptor class ships have a weakness, it is that so much of the available space in the ships is taken up by weapons and shield generators that the limited medical facilities are ill-equipped to deal with large numbers of wounded crew. When asked, Kurak retorted that this was not a failing of the Raptor class, rather it was a reflection of the Klingon warrior ideal to fight with honor, to strive for success and, if necessary, to die in glorious battle. "Klingon warriors do not need healers to lick their wounds. Klingon warriors fight only one way to the death.""
Something similar could be done with the D5: a new ship based on the old hull, perhaps with a few changed features like removing those cables on the hull (the hull should be able to hold on its own over 200 years later), updating the nacelles to something a little less primitive and scaling it to a proper size between the K't'inga and the Vor'cha and we have a decent ship we can use at endgame.
It could be the type of ship curretly missing from the Klingon inventory, what kind of ships do the Klingons use to find new habitable planets, resources and potential civilizations to conquer?
Because they do such things.
And just like the T2 Raptor, it could be named after the only example of its class that was given an name.
How about the "Bortas Class Expedition Cruiser"?
I think we can agree the whole faction needs more ships.
But I think the need for ships from/for the Klingon allies far outshines the need for Klingon-designed ones.
So you point to stupid mistakes and say: "I want some of those mistakes, too.":)
In the "The Left Hand of Destiny" novels, even Martok refers to the D5 as "junk" that should tell you something about how even Klingons feel about those old ships.:p
At least I'm over the point where I expect Cryptic to give us any new design ships under Tier 5, so I would appreciate any new ships, even the old ones.
There is still a chance Cryptic will convert those NPC ships the Klingon allies have for player us, probably the Draguas could be a decent T2 cruiser.
I have absolutely no clue whether we can rally enough support for those ships I designed (very unlikely) .
I could accept the D5 at best as a T1 ship and even then it's strange.
The D7 in the original series was never a real match for the Constitution (simply belw up in "Errand of Mercy, crippled in "Elaan of Troyius") so how would its predecessor hold up? Probably not good.
For the NX the D5 was a flying fortress, practically undefeatable in a straight fight, but the NX we have now is only a replica.
But the D5 would probably not be a replica but the old ship.
So how to place it?
It's a mess.
Then join us, do some theorycrafting.
Let's come up with some ideas what kind of ships we really want and need.
Once I get some more time I'll try to polish the two Gorn ships I posted on the previous pages.
Especially the bridge section of the Triceratus needs to be a little more detailed than it is now.
Maybe if we can rally enough people, draw up some specs, we can honestly point to those ships and say
"We know you probably can't simply take fan designs even when they're specifically designed to be used by you. But we would like something like this please."
We know Cryptic has used ideas from players in the past.
We know they're not deaf and we know they intend to make new content for the Klingons in the next seasons.
If we move together and present our ideas in another way than flame maybe we can get them to listen and give us what's missing.
What do we have to lose?
I seriously doubt the'd take away some of our existing missions for trying such an approach.:)
For sure KDF need more ships espec from the gorn nausican orion and lethan ship docks and not just at top lvl, they are needed from lvl 20 to 51 and if the tutorial really is coming soon then from rank 10-51, maybe even a full revamp on the whole kdf ship list and catagory is in need cos u got raptor and bop both basically tactical ship but one being used mainly by sci's as healersnad it aint the raptor, using the bop as such is a bit self defeating, yes they are good at the job but they dont have the passive bonus or stats that sci ships do and i cant believe im gonna say this but the weaknesses of sci ship.
so make a true sci ship an throw the raptor an bop into there own class an one is a light tactical an the other a heavy tactical. if that dont sit well have a look how many are actually using the raptor through the lvls and if its not a huge number turn the raptor into a fleet support vessel with sci stats and sci bo slots and target sub system skills. i will prob get some hate for saying that but it does make sense.
I prefer the BoP to remain as it is. A universal raider adaptable to several playstyles but master of none.
Mister Dee is right though we are in serious need of more ship ideas with stats and the proposal for any refit abilties.
I would also seriuosly like the carrier to be found farther down the ship tree as well with a light and medium variant availible.
As well as new vessels to flesh out the Gorn, Orions, Nausicians and new SOTA, fresh off the yard KDF vessels to reflect what MD posted about how the KDF upped production after the Dominion Wars to replace lost/damaged vessels.
well im at the point now where its until i see it in living breathing form i dont believe a thing that comes from cryptic when it comes to kdf content. ill mess with foundry to make kdf missions for peeps but my subs feed cryptic enough for ideas an developing stuff, im sick of sponsoring fed ships.
I've noticed they are having a contest for the Enterprise J ! WHERE IS THE CONTEST FOR THE NEXT KLINGON SHIP? wE NEED SOMTHING TO COUNTER THIS SHIP your thoughts?
I've noticed they are having a contest for the Enterprise J ! WHERE IS THE CONTEST FOR THE NEXT KLINGON SHIP? wE NEED SOMTHING TO COUNTER THIS SHIP your thoughts?
Guys, don't you understand the difference between a "J" and an "F"?
The contest is for the Enterprise F not the J.
The J is that giant ugly pizza with nacelles that Cryptic already said will not come to the game.:mad:
As I thought, but WTH, might as well try for the Regents flagship.:p
The OP does bring up a good question, Does the KDF get a design the new IKN vessel contest? DO we need one?
I prefer the theorycrafting that is already going on and thought the ENT-F contest was actually an offsite contest not run by Cryptic.
The Regent's flagship was just the Negh'var from "Way of the Warrior".
They wanted to give him a powerful, large ship but didn't make it different from the Negh'var.
They only scaled it up to a size that even a Vo'Quv looks small next to it.
So what you want is a Negh'var Battleship version or a Negh'var Battleship version the size of a small starbase.
I'd say leave the oversized version in the silly Mirror Universe where it belongs.
A normal-sized version with the underslung pods should be enough don't you think?:)
Do you mean an exploding Federation starship in PvP or some kind of KDF ship with characteristics from both?
I guess I'm just mean-spirited and you want the latter.
Aestetic-wise or function-wise?
Perhaps some kind of battleship-carrier-hybrid like a "Klingon Kar'fi" just not that ugly?
No a KLINGON STYLE SHIP BUT MORE MANEUVERABLE THAT THE CARRIER WITH THE SAME OR MORE FIREPOWER AND SURVIVABILITY BASICLY A BATTLESHIP OR BATTLE CRUISER BUT KLINGON STYLE FOR SURE
no not a complaint just a stress the empire needs more war like ships, Klingon ships not gorn or other races but Klingon,we have fallen far short in this area don't you agree? we need formidable ships for the empire ! the fed side has a vast variety to choose from not to mention that they are over nefed,just want to even the playing field
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here's a link, I know that it was also used in starfleet command III
You have to understand how the Star Trek License works.
A company gets the rights to canon materials only, not to every piece it content ever released under the Star Trek name.
Cryptic can only use ships like the Luna or in the future the Vesta because Pocket Books allows it.
Why do you think none of the Interplay-designed ships from SFC1&2 were in SFC3?
Because even though Activision got the license to make the game, they did not get the license for the ships from Interplay.
Good luck trying to explain IP law and IP/Patent rights to the Trekkie universe...let me know how that goes
They said at some point that converting them would emtail more than just adding the ability to fly them, they'd have to add some details to them as well.
In case of the Gorn ships I have no clue what, paticularly since the Gorn cruiser seems to have more/better details that some Klingon ships like the K'Tanco.
As for missing Klingon ships, which ones are you referring to aside from the K'Vort and some 250+ year old junk?
It would have loved it to fly a D5.
So you point to stupid mistakes and say: "I want some of those mistakes, too.":)
In the "The Left Hand of Destiny" novels, even Martok refers to the D5 as "junk" that should tell you something about how even Klingons feel about those old ships.:p
It's a ship with a shape similar to the old ship but considerably larger (240 vs 140 meters) and it's also explicitly called a new ship in this article:
http://www.tentonhammer.com/node/64836
Something similar could be done with the D5: a new ship based on the old hull, perhaps with a few changed features like removing those cables on the hull (the hull should be able to hold on its own over 200 years later), updating the nacelles to something a little less primitive and scaling it to a proper size between the K't'inga and the Vor'cha and we have a decent ship we can use at endgame.
It could be the type of ship curretly missing from the Klingon inventory, what kind of ships do the Klingons use to find new habitable planets, resources and potential civilizations to conquer?
Because they do such things.
And just like the T2 Raptor, it could be named after the only example of its class that was given an name.
How about the "Bortas Class Expedition Cruiser"?
Your saying that Klingons need more Klingon looking ships, is not about of 70% to 80% of the Klingon faction made up of aliens?
But I think the need for ships from/for the Klingon allies far outshines the need for Klingon-designed ones.
At least I'm over the point where I expect Cryptic to give us any new design ships under Tier 5, so I would appreciate any new ships, even the old ones.
I have absolutely no clue whether we can rally enough support for those ships I designed (very unlikely) .
I could accept the D5 at best as a T1 ship and even then it's strange.
The D7 in the original series was never a real match for the Constitution (simply belw up in "Errand of Mercy, crippled in "Elaan of Troyius") so how would its predecessor hold up? Probably not good.
For the NX the D5 was a flying fortress, practically undefeatable in a straight fight, but the NX we have now is only a replica.
But the D5 would probably not be a replica but the old ship.
So how to place it?
It's a mess.
Let's come up with some ideas what kind of ships we really want and need.
Once I get some more time I'll try to polish the two Gorn ships I posted on the previous pages.
Especially the bridge section of the Triceratus needs to be a little more detailed than it is now.
Maybe if we can rally enough people, draw up some specs, we can honestly point to those ships and say
"We know you probably can't simply take fan designs even when they're specifically designed to be used by you. But we would like something like this please."
We know Cryptic has used ideas from players in the past.
We know they're not deaf and we know they intend to make new content for the Klingons in the next seasons.
If we move together and present our ideas in another way than flame maybe we can get them to listen and give us what's missing.
What do we have to lose?
I seriously doubt the'd take away some of our existing missions for trying such an approach.:)
so make a true sci ship an throw the raptor an bop into there own class an one is a light tactical an the other a heavy tactical. if that dont sit well have a look how many are actually using the raptor through the lvls and if its not a huge number turn the raptor into a fleet support vessel with sci stats and sci bo slots and target sub system skills. i will prob get some hate for saying that but it does make sense.
Mister Dee is right though we are in serious need of more ship ideas with stats and the proposal for any refit abilties.
I would also seriuosly like the carrier to be found farther down the ship tree as well with a light and medium variant availible.
As well as new vessels to flesh out the Gorn, Orions, Nausicians and new SOTA, fresh off the yard KDF vessels to reflect what MD posted about how the KDF upped production after the Dominion Wars to replace lost/damaged vessels.
We need the Regents Flagship if the ENT-J is to be brought into the game.
http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Regent%27s_flagship
The contest is for the Enterprise F not the J.
The J is that giant ugly pizza with nacelles that Cryptic already said will not come to the game.:mad:
The OP does bring up a good question, Does the KDF get a design the new IKN vessel contest? DO we need one?
I prefer the theorycrafting that is already going on and thought the ENT-F contest was actually an offsite contest not run by Cryptic.
They wanted to give him a powerful, large ship but didn't make it different from the Negh'var.
They only scaled it up to a size that even a Vo'Quv looks small next to it.
So what you want is a Negh'var Battleship version or a Negh'var Battleship version the size of a small starbase.
I'd say leave the oversized version in the silly Mirror Universe where it belongs.
A normal-sized version with the underslung pods should be enough don't you think?:)
I guess I'm just mean-spirited and you want the latter.
Aestetic-wise or function-wise?
Perhaps some kind of battleship-carrier-hybrid like a "Klingon Kar'fi" just not that ugly?