Server with the Worst PvP?

Joe - Morai wrote: »

Mainly because those "pro" gamers can't handle fights w/o a gear gap. But seriously...who can blame them? Being better or lesser geared is a common situation in PWIs pvp. How could they know how to deal with equally geared ppl if not through...you know (I definitly try not to speak it out...but... ._.).

Another point was that senseless PvE ****. Most just bulked together the strongest DDs to finish it first...no thought of possible strategies involved...but ya that was a flaw from the management clearly.

That's ehy I say: Roll a cross server 1on1 PvP event. Only self buffs. Matches each round. No cards. Same gears. The winners get to participate in the new PWIC.

But meh. I'd win anyways...so that would be alot of work just to praise me (:

(Yes thats meant to provoke and yes we need cross server pvp. Let it be 1on1s. Please!) Then we could see which server got the worst PvP. I so wanna stomp in so many big mouths from all the other servers...damn that would be a major enjoyment. Make it happen PWE! Entry fee 100 golds? No prob!

1 on 1 is doomed to fail, PWI's 1v1 balance is absolute ****. Even with equal gear and self buffs only it just won't work. The winner will be a Barb, Sin, or Cleric.

hiitsmeguys wrote: »

Can I vote for every server? (PWI in general). PWI just doesn't have the skill based talent pool that other games do.

This game is more of a mom/pap social game.

Try playing free mmo's where nearly every top player:

1. Doesn't need to cash (has studied economics/securities) ***** I don't need to study ****, success just follows me.

2. Can leave pc on 24/7 Check.

3. Is male between the ages of 18-35 Check.

4. Has knowledge about software/hardware and/or coding ***** that aint gonna help me **** your **** up in pk.

5. Has extensive gaming history Check

6. Has a (credible) university education or an IQ of 120+ ***** you callin' us dumb?

7. Is healthy, not overweight, active, quick reaction time. Not me, but I react like a cat though mother ****er

8. Isn't concerned with gimmicks (fashion, mounts etc.) ***** I gotta look fresh when I'm dominating the pk.

How many players in PWI actually meet these requirements? Gear helps sure, but if don't meet all or at least most of these other things, you'd have no chance with equal gear against real players anyways.

I'm a beast.

OPKossy wrote: »

Half of this list is completely irrelevant to skill in a game.

Like come on. You can appreciate vanity and flair while still being a skilled player. You also don't need a programming or economics background to be skilled either. And an IQ of 120+? Really? What a ridiculous and useless qualification.

If 1/2 of pvp in mmo's is gear based, then achieving gear to be relevant in endgame pvp is completely relevant to pvp. MMO's aren't like first-person shooting games. If you can't achieve the gear to ever compete with endgame pvp'ers, how can you ever consider yourself skilled in pvp, if the basis you've set is so low that all factors aren't taken into consideration. Skill in MMO's comes from more than clicking skills, it comes from understanding the games nature on different levels, it's inherent of the genre.

To put this in simple terms, why overall are Asians tagged as the best gamers? Do you think a higher percentage of Asians in comparison to other demographics meet up to most of the things I mentioned?

hiitsmeguys wrote: »

To put this in simple terms, why overall are Asians tagged as the best gamers? Do you think a higher percentage of Asians in comparison to other demographics meet up to most of the things I mentioned?

We're specifically bred for gaming, didn't you know?

Viktorian - Archosaur wrote: »

pulling a zanryu on this list.

also i agree with kossy. the majority of this list is irrelevant or just not needed.
1) you dont need to cash in any game other then the games fee to play. its an OPTION.
2) i guess some people dislike having high electric bills. they must suck at gaming.
3) sexist
4) knowing about your PC wont really help, and you dont need to know code ever. thats why we have devs, they do the boring coding parts and we get the fun
5) again its a "i hate new players" sentiment. new players can be just as skilled as old players
6) dont need a college education to be skilled in a video game. having a college education is nice and will help you in the real world but in a game it is unneeded.
7) why do you dislike fat people?
8) ok ill look totally awesome in my amazing fashion and you can wear your hideous looking armor.
based off your points in order btw.
Based off this list the person who made it is : sexist, weightist, and hates new people.

I swear to god I'd pull a Zanryu about what pulling a Zanryu should actually mean if I wasn't so tired. I'm the only one that can pull a Zanryu, it requires a certain level of finesse. It took me years to master, you who has never studied under the art of Zanryu could never hope to achieve such a thing.

Joe - Morai wrote: »

For my Server...the trully F2P end-game geared ppl consist of 3 persons in total (including me).

I kinda like you but honestly you ALWAYS exaggerate... In a way I don't really care but you often gives wrong information about our Morai server...

First of all, you're not really end-game geared (A cards for example) as I'm not totally end-game geared as well and there are maybe only 3-5 toons that really are on our server (I mean full+12, full josd/deity, full S cards)
That being said, if you talk about "almost end-game geared" people, I'm pretty sure you don't even know all of them on the server. And even if you knew everyone, how could you pretend to know who is trully F2P or not ?
I really don't understand...

hiitsmeguys wrote: »

Can I vote for every server? (PWI in general). PWI just doesn't have the skill based talent pool that other games do.

This game is more of a mom/pap social game.

Try playing free mmo's where nearly every top player:

1. Doesn't need to cash (has studied economics/securities)

2. Can leave pc on 24/7

3. Is male between the ages of 18-35

4. Has knowledge about software/hardware and/or coding

5. Has extensive gaming history

6. Has a (credible) university education or an IQ of 120+

7. Is healthy, not overweight, active, quick reaction time.

8. Isn't concerned with gimmicks (fashion, mounts etc.)

How many players in PWI actually meet these requirements? Gear helps sure, but if don't meet all or at least most of these other things, you'd have no chance with equal gear against real players anyways.

1. (check, not-check) Since when did studying economics become a requirement for having skill or being capable of generating money without cash shopping? Give me a break.

2. (check) Like this is actually relevant if you're playing a game that doesn't have legal botting. You study economics, you don't need illegal bots, right?

3. (check, check) >implying females can't be good at games
>implying people under 18 or over 35 can't be good at games.

Give me a break. Some of the best players I've seen, in PWI and other f2p games and some p2p games have been female, over 35, or yes, under 18. Are they the majority? No, but implying that being 18-35 and male is a requirement is a joke.

4. (check, check) Short of meta-game activities (developing external tools, creating addons for games that support them, optimizing your rig), this isn't relevant at all -- and for almost every factor where it is relevant, you certainly don't need every person to have those skills for them to have an impact on everyone.

5. (check) Having some gaming experience in other games can be nice, but really... even if you only play one game, after a certain amount of time prior experience is no longer really relevant to your performance in that game.

6. (check, check) You're joking, right? First, education and intelligence are certainly not directly correlated, and second, using IQ for something like this, while it does have some validity for general performance measures across the board, is hardly going to be relevant here -- especially with some arbitrary cutoff like 120 IQ.

7. (not check, check, not check, check) Quick reaction time is relevant... the rest really aren't. Is it nice for being a "well-rounded person" and all that ****? Sure. Does it really matter when it comes to how you play the game? Yeah... no, not really.

8. (check) 100% irrelevant to game performance. You're seriously trying to claim otherwise?



You claim (or at least imply) that you're "experienced" with software and programming -- anyone with significant real-world experience should be more than aware that age, gender, and education have little to no hard relation to ability when it comes to... anything online, really. Anyone with the qualifications you're claiming should be laughing at the idea of using most of the measures you listed as any sort of metric for success.

Go to any significant community of skilled programmers / hackers or hardcore gamers with the sort of views you're spouting here and you would get ripped into by virtually everyone present. It's laughable. If you're going to be elitist, it usually helps if you don't make yourself look like an idiot in the process.

hiitsmeguys wrote: »

Can I vote for every server? (PWI in general). PWI just doesn't have the skill based talent pool that other games do.

This game is more of a mom/pap social game.

Try playing free mmo's where nearly every top player:

1. Doesn't need to cash (has studied economics/securities)

2. Can leave pc on 24/7

3. Is male between the ages of 18-35

4. Has knowledge about software/hardware and/or coding

5. Has extensive gaming history

6. Has a (credible) university education or an IQ of 120+

7. Is healthy, not overweight, active, quick reaction time.

8. Isn't concerned with gimmicks (fashion, mounts etc.)

How many players in PWI actually meet these requirements? Gear helps sure, but if don't meet all or at least most of these other things, you'd have no chance with equal gear against real players anyways.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJ9rUzIMcZQ <Only first few seconds are relevant to this post, but still this is the most amusing set of guidelines I've seen in order to play a 'serious' PVP oriented game. Pretty much all of these have no relation in regard to PVP other than quick reaction time. b:laugh

Raging Tide blahhhh
i CAN judge, because i watch videos on youtube,


and Just who's the sob that voted for LC server? Did you even try it or watch any videos about? it's fking korean level

hiitsmeguys wrote: »

Can I vote for every server? (PWI in general). PWI just doesn't have the skill based talent pool that other games do.

This game is more of a mom/pap social game.

Try playing free mmo's where nearly every top player:

1. Doesn't need to cash (has studied economics/securities)

2. Can leave pc on 24/7

3. Is male between the ages of 18-35

4. Has knowledge about software/hardware and/or coding

5. Has extensive gaming history

6. Has a (credible) university education or an IQ of 120+

7. Is healthy, not overweight, active, quick reaction time.

8. Isn't concerned with gimmicks (fashion, mounts etc.)

How many players in PWI actually meet these requirements? Gear helps sure, but if don't meet all or at least most of these other things, you'd have no chance with equal gear against real players anyways.

So so so sorry for double post but i have to.
Why are you people even paying attention to this fella?
your list is beyond **** if you think that gamer need to be (for 1 example)"software/hardware expert", you are so stupid i wanna squeeze your head and scream "Uhrrrrrrrr".
I'm one of many people in pwi who own gaming computer and equipment, And i do playing in steam and do all that "hardcore games" that you have in mind, and i still find pwi very challenging, So sir, you obviously couldn't beat level 30 and you butthurt, and that's ok, But in the future just swallow all that smoke that you blowing and don't make a fool of your self because as for you " Has a (credible) university education or an IQ of 120+ - UNCHECK"

Private servers aren't to be discussed on the forums.

hiitsmeguys wrote: »

Can I vote for every server? (PWI in general). PWI just doesn't have the skill based talent pool that other games do.

This game is more of a mom/pap social game.

Try playing free mmo's where nearly every top player:

1. Doesn't need to cash (has studied economics/securities) Check.

2. Can leave pc on 24/7 Check

3. Is male between the ages of 18-35 Half true, I'm between the ages of 18-35. Not a guy though.

4. Has knowledge about software/hardware and/or coding not me. But I do enough to know how to install software that would help me cheat in this game. Do I get a .5 for that?

5. Has extensive gaming history check

6. Has a (credible) university education or an IQ of 120+ Check on the IQ and the University Education.

7. Is healthy, not overweight, active, quick reaction time. check, check, check, check. Well I guess kinda check on the weight. I'm a tad over but it doesn't stop me from being capable of being very active. And I know some Tae Kwon Do too.

8. Isn't concerned with gimmicks (fashion, mounts etc.)no check. I like fashion!

How many players in PWI actually meet these requirements? Gear helps sure, but if don't meet all or at least most of these other things, you'd have no chance with equal gear against real players anyways.

Guys, I meet most of these requirements! I'm an elite PVPer! Yay! I guess this proves that both HT and DW have great pvp and do not qualify as the worst. You're welcome HT and DW for my most amazing performance in PVP.

--snip-

And my guide is clearly outdated; I acknowledged that in an edit a few months ago. But I simply am too apathetic to update it. But my point still stands: I was one of the only competent sins during that time period. I still believe this is the case even almost 6 months after I quit PW altogether.

On a more cheerful note, come play SMO. It's a PW title but its much better. Plus, the music is good as the PvP.

tsyfall wrote: »

Lost City, like any and all PWI servers, is a joke in terms of PvP skill. There are other servers out there that would grind it into the ground - and yes, while speaking English. Like, really. Someone like Adroit or Flash_man would be considered, at most, above average.

oVenusArmanio wrote: »

Private servers aren't to be discussed on the forums.




Guys, I meet most of these requirements! I'm an elite PVPer! Yay! I guess this proves that both HT and DW have great pvp and do not qualify as the worst. You're welcome HT and DW for my most amazing performance in PVP.

tsyfall wrote: »

Lost City, like any and all PWI servers, is a joke in terms of PvP skill. There are other servers out there that would grind it into the ground - and yes, while speaking English. Like, really. Someone like Adroit or Flash_man would be considered, at most, above average.

It's implied he's talking about private servers, where's the deletion of this post Venus? Selective modding OP

tsyfall wrote: »

--snip-

And my guide is clearly outdated; I acknowledged that in an edit a few months ago. But I simply am too apathetic to update it. But my point still stands: I was one of the only competent sins during that time period. I still believe this is the case even almost 6 months after I quit PW altogether.

On a more cheerful note, come play SMO. It's a PW title but its much better. Plus, the music is good as the PvP.

>Assassin
>Competent

Please. Assassins were stupidly easy to play back then and are more so now. Being "good" at Assassin gives you zero bragging rights or any kind of claim to competency, because of how **** easy the class is. Any scrub can pick up an Assassin and be successful, it's only when they face massively overgeared or far more skilled players that they'll really run into trouble.

Also, Swordsman sucks.

tsyfall wrote: »

If I remember correctly, you got rolled by Max in BM vs BM. Thus, we can say that he was superior in skill.

Max? You mean that joke of a BM that beat me because of that server's lag issues? I stopped even trying after the first two fights because that lag was worse than Morai's. Was good for a few laughs though, I especially liked how when I won it was because "he lagged" but when I lagged it was, you know, an excuse. I suppose that attitude is fitting of someone who hangs around you though. b:cute

So if he was skilled on BM, and sin is an easy class, then he must have been able to roll me in sin vs sin, since I played mostly sin. But we were about equal at the time that I quit. This contradicts your statement that sins take less skill to play.

What are you even on about? Assassins do take less skill to play, there's nothing that can go toe to toe with them in sheer damage output, if you try to fight head on without CC you will fail because of the sheer damage. If you try to combat them by stunlocking them, you aren't able due to their ability to passively resist CC. If you want to avoid their lock you have to drain your resources, and even if you do time your resources correctly they will always have some form of CC ready to hit you with. Assassins have a massive natural edge over ever other class in the game, and because of this they require far less skill to play. If you can't see this, you're blind.

Plus, if you don't remember, I'm pretty sure Zsw mained sin with me, yet we still both rolled people while playing other classes.

Oh? When I fought Zsw on other classes I rolled him on each one. Archer, Psychic, Wizard, I don't really recall him on others. Though that was with Cleric I suppose. Huehue.

Finally, look at Walpurga. Expert EA, not expert sin.

Really, sin is easy to learn and hard to master - just like all classes. It's just that there aren't any masters for you to compare to these days.

You can't something's easy to master then say nobody these days has it mastered, that's pretty much a contradiction. While I can agree there are a lot of people who just don't grasp how to play certain classes, and that it's easy to master them given a little time, there are people on the legitimate servers that are pretty good with their characters.

Thilly goothe

Zsw - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Nice, so even though you both were lagging, he only died once whereas you died somewhere between 5 to 10 times. Any reason that lag is biased towards you only?

u wot m8, there weren't even 10 fights in total and he died at least three times I'll have you know b:cute

Also, if you consider losing to alts I played for 1 month as "rolled", then I guess you're special.

I played that Cleric for what, two days? With no prior experience on a Cleric with Morai skills or R9r3.

I don't even remember, nor care to remember, what the score was. But I was surprised that you even died at all considering you mained bm for at least a year and I just touched those classes within the month.

We didn't really fight when I was on my BM, we fought Cleric v Whatever. The only thing I fought with my BM was your Wizard I'm pretty sure, and this was on a server that didn't have NH, so BMs were utter **** and had easily broken locks while Wizards had lolsparkcombo.

What about the time when you tried Assassin vs my other classes? If sins were truly easier, why was the score more or less 50/50 even though we were both playing alts? Shouldn't I have stood no chance since only good players can beat a sin?

...I didn't really try Assassin vs your other classes. We had probably... 3? total fights where I was on an Assassin.

Please, why are you even bothering to argue? Is it because it hurts your ego that you claim to be the best bm yet at the same time can't beat sins?

I never claimed to be the best BM, and as for sins I can beat them. Never claimed I couldn't, simply stating the FACT that they have a huge advantage over other classes.

Me and Neil could both easily find you a lot of non-sins to fight so you can prove that you're the best BM if you want, but you know you won't bother, and we know you won't bother. So what's the point of this? Just a big fish in a small pond.

When did I claim to be the absolute best BM? I'm fine with taking on whoever, I'm happy to do it but I'm pretty curious as to where you got it in your heads I think I'm the best there is. I'm good, easily the most skilled of Archosaur and Morai, but that's honestly saying very little. The Blademasters there know next to nothing about how to properly play the class. Best of my server(s)? Definitely, best of all of them? I've never claimed to be. Though the only other BM I know that's worth mention is TheDan, I haven't really seen the others pk.

Relatively big anyway.

Huehuehuehuehuehuehue

Should really just let Neil stick to his own arguments, I mean I don't really get why you're ganging up on me man. This is a 1v1, stop ganking

Artn - Archosaur wrote: »

"The Blademasters there know next to nothing about how to properly play the class."


Thanks m8! b:sad

git gud m8