Deity, Jades, or a blend?

I have +12 weapon, +10 armors, and Exclusive Citrines.

It is so hard to beat the feeling you get when you survive against 6 enemies b/c you have enough defenses to do so. If I had a choice, I'd go with Jades.

At the same token, I'm fairly bad at PvP, and mainly depend on superior gear to beat my opponents.

Personally i switched my jades to deity. The dmg increase is more significant than the dmg increase on myself. I surely don't regret it. but for deity to work you need +12 orns and +11/12 armor. full +10 wont rly work with deity.

going from 128 to 168 attack lvls dmg increase on 90/100 defence lvls is about ~25%. 150+ = ~35%. and 40-60'ish around 15% or so. thats jsut roughly the numbers i notice. dmg increase on myself is about 15%, going from 81 to 51 def lvls.

I may die a bit faster, but in most cases i'd die with jades too.

Transcend - Lost City wrote: »

Good points on +11/12 armors and +12 orns. Looks like I've got my work cut out for me b:surrender

I know how you feel. I'm "just" using G14 cube neck and R8 ring, but I'm bored with farming for coin.

Decus - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I know the feeling. It just gets to the point where you don't want to do it anymore ;-;

Think a lot of us are in this boat atm.

Deity all the way

G12 Turquoise clearly!

I gave up on the idea of being able to tank hits in PvP. I do quite enjoy glasscannon playing style.

It's kinda hard to say, I'd probably say that if you plan on being full buffed most of the time.. josd might make more sense, otherwise deity. Deity eas are still extremely squishy with full buffs, I generally prefer that venos pass these guys by and purge someone where it would actually make a difference. Josd archers are slightly more tanky and may at least attract a purge before dropping.

DarkSkiesx - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I like the extra survivability JoSD gives and wouldnt swap to deities.

Buffed charmed and spamming def charms I'm damn near unkillable without getting purged/ganked, in 1v1s its great, in NW its awesome, the only place I'd prefer deities would be TW where you're relatively safe in that you can simply fire a few shots and hit the s button to retreat behind your allies, rinse and repeat at max range, and BoA with immune.

No offence to anyone that is DoT/Deity but the only reason I would do it is if I got annoyed I couldnt easily kill a JoSD toon and I dont see the logic in sacrificing alot of survivability to kill a small percentage of toons that stick out to you as the 'ones that got away'.

I'd rather take slightly longer to kill someone/call an assist in mass pvp, and my philosophy in sharding has always been 'a dead EA is of no use to anyone' so always gone for survivability over extra killing power, a +12 r9rr bow isnt exactly a tickle deities or no deities.

Also I really enjoy having a faith genie and am too lazy to go for 105 right now so can live without AD but if I went deities, I would probably need to loose faith, which would be very annoying as its my go to skill when getting CC spammed by a group.

Thats my preference, others have their own and I'm not knocking it. A faction mate that I run NW/TW with is of the other school of thought and has a different playstyle that works for him and his deities.

I pretty much agree with this completely, but I build purely around TW. Deities are going to be a lot more useful to me in TW than jades are - as it is, when I'm being hit in TW I'm usually either being hit for little enough that my +10 self can get out of the situation pretty easily, or I'm being overkilled so much that jades would be of no help at all.

With my playstyle, I don't try to tank much anyway - run in, shoot things, and when you start getting hit, kite back. Rinse and repeat.

tl;dr
1v1: Jades > Deities
NW/Smaller-scale group PvP: Jades >= Deities (playstyle dependent)
TW: Deities >= Jades (playstyle dependent)

DarkSkiesx - Dreamweaver wrote: »

No offence to anyone that is DoT/Deity but the only reason I would do it is if I got annoyed I couldnt easily kill a JoSD toon and I dont see the logic in sacrificing alot of survivability to kill a small percentage of toons that stick out to you as the 'ones that got away'.

I'd rather take slightly longer to kill someone/call an assist in mass pvp, and my philosophy in sharding has always been 'a dead EA is of no use to anyone' so always gone for survivability over extra killing power, a +12 r9rr bow isnt exactly a tickle deities or no deities.

Josd LA is still less tankable than many other classes. Surely they die slower with jades than without, but question is how far damage of deity EA goes and if it outbalance jades' defence. I personally like survivability more, but if i was an EA...

FaceRolI - Sanctuary wrote: »

idk seems like a significant amount but not sure if its enough (for me). also not sure if im doing it right/left anything out mathwise.

Casters don't benefit that much of deity because of aps. Particularly wiz deals enough damage to be dangerous for most of targets and extra 30% can be dealt on def charm. While EA attacks way faster and those 30% per hit will be multiplied on its aps. Less time for its target to use charm or simply run. Plus huge crit rate.
Imo, deity is better for EA in mass pvp, since most target will die faster than they realise they are attacked. Yes, squishier, but extra deaths will be compensated by enemies who won't slip away b:laugh
In 1v1 maybe less effective though, depends on the opponent.

Honestly think a mixture of the two is best. Think now: you have the jades, and the deities. The jades spend, lets say, 66% of the times on the front lines. They kite back and deities move up the front, shoot a barrage, or use apoth or anything, do a **** ton of dmg, then kite back, and jades move up again. You keep the survivability roughly same while increasing overall dmg dealt... perhaps? In theory? o.o

Let me tell you a story about Deitys vs Jades...

Two full deity archers face each other on the battlefield. Knowing whoever draws first wins, they both quickly reach for their bows and take aim, when suddenly,





**both get one-shot by a drive-by BIDS.**



ggwp. ^.^

Apologies if what I said in that other thread offended you Heartz, I wasn't making fun of your or any other deity archers survivability. As you havent done the math allow me.

Assuming equal pdef mdef hp lvl buffs etc blah blah
According to the wiki.

if ( attack level > defense level ) then:
damage taken = damage delivered * ( 1 + ( attack level - defense level ) / 100 )
if ( attack level < defense level ) then:
damage taken = damage delivered / ( 1 + ( 1.2 * ( defense level - attack level ) / 100 )

Lets assume the person dealing the damage is the average r9rr running around with 130 attack lvls.

That gives the
JoSD build (95def lvls) a ratio of 1.35
Deity build (55def lvls) a ratio of 1.75
I.e. the deity archer will take 23% more damage

In terms of the offensive gains, vs an average r9rr with jones with lets say 40 def lvls
JoSD build (130 attack lvls) a ratio of 1.9
Deity build (170 attack lvls) a ratio of 2.3
I.e. a 17% damage increase.

Vs someone with Full JoSD i.e. 95 def lvls
23% damage increase

Now if I have f'ed up the math. Someone correct me.

So the question is, would you rather take 23% less damage or deal 17-23% more damage.

My thoughts were I have no issues with how much damage I do. You can only attack one person at a time, or aoe around them, whereas multiple people can attack you. Obvious statement right. Well that means if 4 people attack me I take 23% less damage from all of them, I'd pick that over doing 17-23% more damage to one person or a few around them.

Also going back to the statement about that 14k hit from the seeker, iirc I did say that that hit may have one shot me if I was unbuffed and that if you were caught with the same unbuffed hit it would definitely one shot you with or without the ele neck. Assume it hits me for 17k. You can do the math.

Heartz - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I don't care what the math is supposed to be, I care about the actual numbers in pvp. Those numbers are not correct lol. The attack gain I beleive is pretty close. Tested was 20% increase on josd targets. and 10% on no josd targets and about 10-15% on mobs. But damage taken is not 23% more for the 20 Josd I lost, but around 12-15 % with the sun and Deathproofs hits.

If you don't beleive me. ask The sun or Dp. it was with those two I tested when I switched.

most of those formulas comes pretty close and good as guideline, but not always entirely true. gotta see for yourself.

you dont care about maths? we dont care about your tests. unless you made your tests with around 100-1000 hits for damage dealt/damage received, it doesnt matter

marie10 wrote: »

you dont care about maths? we dont care about your tests. unless you made your tests with around 100-1000 hits for damage dealt/damage received, it doesnt matter

well i have also been deity for months now, and can still assure you, that math isn't right. I don't gain 23% more attack on josd targets and I don't take anywhere near 20% more damage either. and the attack lvls gain seem to cap at 0,3-0,4% pr atttack lvl, when youre 100+ more attack lvls than enemy got def.. and I say seem because I don't do math, so it's roughly numbers..

so many in this world takes facts as being the only right thing forever. "facts" are only right to they are proven wrong.

But it's fine, archers can stay JoSd, but decked out wizards can almsot ignore you then. Dot was not worth using, but deity is. too high ping or lack of skill, stay josd. if you play with few mistakes, good-medium ping and decked out archer, go deity. We're not tanks, we're meant to kill what we hit, josd is more support than a DD, if gears are equals.
I do see why people prefer josd, you can be lazy and kite less lol. trust me I know it.. was JoSd for so long too x.x.