Disable hypers in frost, yes, no or LV restricted? FORGOTTEN THREAD

Will never happen. Why would PWE care?

SylenThunder - Sanctuary wrote: »

I can start a toon on Friday afternoon and be 70 with farmed TT gear by Sunday night without using hypers or FCC. That's just on the regularly available quests and culti's.

How many actual hours spent actively playing? How much help received from your main account to one shot your quest mobs? I'll admit it has been quite some years since I did a regular run of PWI questing at noob levels, but back when I first joined, level 70 took about a month or more of marathon sessions. Granted you do get the Jolly Jones quests these days so you can afford gears and skills galore in a months time - I'm wondering how you manage to get a full set of TT 70 armors and be of level to wear them, all within two days of casual play (read as you work a full time job so can't play the game full time) without having help from your main toon to speed things along "quest style"

As a PvP player, it would not interest me in any way to have hypers disabled or restricted.

I used to support the level restriction but at this point I don't care much anymore.
Maybe I've just accepted the state of the game and maybe I lost hope that this game can ever be better.

I can't say that I don't enjoy it or don't like playing, there are things I still love in this game, but I'm not as optimistic as I used to be and maybe that's linked to v4liance leaving as well. There was a ray of hope and things were getting done or looked into while he was around. Now it feels like it's all forgotten.

Wickedbrew - Raging Tide wrote: »

Actually, FC is one of the main reasons I have all but quit playing PWI. Everyone now is so hell bent on levelling as fast as they can, that in wc, unless its. PK epeen war or QQ, its all WTB/WTS full room, heads, boss and heads, or mobs boss and heads. So many "lvl [20 to 70 people] looking for FC"

There is little help with lower level content and as I said on a previous thread, if you do find help its a bored high level. I am all for level/hyper restrictions in FC. It was great fun when it was disabled.

Okies, maybe we play at different times on the server, and you are just lucky enough to catch a bunch of WC spam for heads and big room.

I hardly ever see anyone asking for anything at all except a tank and cleric.

A year or so ago, I would have felt you had a point. Honestly, if I was new to PWI, I dont think I would have much choice but to either grind mobs endlessly, or try to figure out how to get the money to buy some heads.

Until about the first week in August, the server population was on life support. Its been breathing on its own for about a month. The amount of people looking to buy heads or big room is hardly a fraction of what it was a year and a half ago.

Funny, back then grinding FC with Hypers was the only way to get from 85-100.

When I first started playing, and first joined Miniathan 2 and a half years ago, one of the first things someone did was give me 2 Million and 5 Hypers. I didnt even know what the Hypers were for yet. b:chuckle

The only thing buying heads and big room now is someones alt, anyway. I see one or two people in WC when Im on, either looking to buy or sell FC. So many scammers these days seems like no one really cares that much about it anymore anyway.

I dont care either. Power-level your alts if you want. Whatever keeps you playing. b:victory

P.S. I DO see tons of people trying to sell anything they can item-wise, for as much as can. Not too many people seem to buying though. *shrugs*

Before mod close this topic, I think FC should be ONLY for players 85lvl-105lvl(lower can't enter). Lower lazy players get no game knowledge during this power lvling and GM/Admin good know it. It's ruin game, but good thing, if you have a main at 100+lvl and do niub char, so you know the game, in this case you can be allowed to lvling there. If this game will be depend on me, I'll do so much for fair play and balance all classes, but i can't
Turning off hypers in FC is a very bad idea, limited it for new players(to lvl85) will be cool.

qupidyn wrote: »

Before mod close this topic, I think FC should be ONLY for players 85lvl-105lvl(lower can't enter). Lower lazy players get no game knowledge during this power lvling and GM/Admin good know it. It's ruin game, but good thing, if you have a main at 100+lvl and do niub char, so you know the game, in this case you can be allowed to lvling there. If this game will be depend on me, I'll do so much for fair play and balance all classes, but i can't
Turning off hypers in FC is a very bad idea, limited it for new players(to lvl85) will be cool.

Here is where I disagree with some of what you said. If I remember correctly you have to be level 75 to start FC (don't remember exactly as its been a while), and FC is actually a great dungeon for learning how to play your character, squad dynamics, etc. Unfortunately there are some very viable classes that are shunned or under-utilized in FC like archers, wizards, psychics, mystics. All four types, when played well, can be an asset to a squad in FC.

The problem with FC is like any low level BH. You have a high level run it. Granted for FC low levels get the heads room in essence doing nothing to get there. They just enter, and run to that room Same as low level BH. High level kills boss, everyone else stands around, or occasionally plinks at it, but the high level kills all or most of the mobs to get to the boss.

The most fun I have had in this game is doing FB/BHs with correct levels, unwined, as well as a lower level FC run (75 to 85 up to lvl 90). Sure it might take a while, but people familiar with a full FC, that know their character, can make for a great time. Far too often though, you see in squad chat, various complaints from people level 80+ that have NO clue how to do a full FC (to heads room or holeen), because they have only bought the heads room.

It's like a particular demon sin on RT that is now R9 that when he was level 99 demanded a cleric for BH51 because all he did was FC and heard rankar and wyv were hard to kill. Sorry, but there are some really stupid players in this game.

Wickedbrew - Raging Tide wrote: »

Here is where I disagree with some of what you said. If I remember correctly you have to be level 75 to start FC (don't remember exactly as its been a while), and FC is actually a great dungeon for learning how to play your character, squad dynamics, etc. Unfortunately there are some very viable classes that are shunned or under-utilized in FC like archers, wizards, psychics, mystics. All four types, when played well, can be an asset to a squad in FC.

The problem with FC is like any low level BH. You have a high level run it. Granted for FC low levels get the heads room in essence doing nothing to get there. They just enter, and run to that room Same as low level BH. High level kills boss, everyone else stands around, or occasionally plinks at it, but the high level kills all or most of the mobs to get to the boss.

The most fun I have had in this game is doing FB/BHs with correct levels, unwined, as well as a lower level FC run (75 to 85 up to lvl 90). Sure it might take a while, but people familiar with a full FC, that know their character, can make for a great time. Far too often though, you see in squad chat, various complaints from people level 80+ that have NO clue how to do a full FC (to heads room or holeen), because they have only bought the heads room.

It's like a particular demon sin on RT that is now R9 that when he was level 99 demanded a cleric for BH51 because all he did was FC and heard rankar and wyv were hard to kill. Sorry, but there are some really stupid players in this game.

Well, I have no clue how to do a full FC either. There are many reasons for that, none of which have anything to do with knowing how to play my class or not.

No one ever goes beyond the heads. For a full 3 years of being on this Mystic and in countless numbers of random squads, no one EVER goes beyond the heads, lol.

FC is one of the few places my class is accepted or 'thought of' for squads. FC and RB (Delta) are basicly it - and ofc, the few rare occasions when there is a cleric shortage on the server.

FC was a great learning ground for me. Its where I first noticed my Healing Herb acting as an attack/target plant. Most of us learned a lot when p-leveling in FC squads (not talking about running heads, but am talking about using Hypers).

People talk about Snowy Village being active now. I never see it, not compared to what it used to be a few years ago. Its better off than the starter cities, but still practically a ghost town too.

SylenThunder - Sanctuary wrote: »

Was poking around, seems like there's a lot of new people posting so they can QQ about Anni, and then I remembered the last QQ thread where we were promised it would be looked into, and then has seemingly been forgotten since then.

Disable hypers in frost, yes, no or LV restricted?

It got closed for necro (which also disabled the ability to vote, unfortunately). Personally it's one of those threads that should still be open as the issue is still unresolved.

I mean, look at the results from having them disabled completely. Made the overall game much more enjoyable.

Thanks for actually taking the time to bring this back up. There are many things that could have changed here, very simple fixes that you all (and the other mods and I) have been trying to push, but it's becoming somewhat tiring to keep having 50+ page discussions about certain topics (hundreds of topics, to be honest) and only a few get changed. (and that's after years of asking... )

The irony of one mod making a thread and another one closing it before it had resolved.

HA! The funny thing is that I actually had to re-look at the thread to see that I was the one who made it. That is ironic.

Edit: Hey, I didn't close it! <

When I think of this subject, the only thing that really comes to my mind is.... all the other things that started happening in the world, like zhenning and BHing and questing and all the people you could find around doing things on the map and... things that people only dreamed of for this game in the state it's been in, that only managed to happen during the little time that FC was 'down'. And, well I think that kind of speaks for itself.

Veneir - Dreamweaver wrote: »

When I think of this subject, the only thing that really comes to my mind is.... all the other things that started happening in the world, like zhenning and BHing and questing and all the people you could find around doing things on the map and... things that people only dreamed of for this game in the state it's been in, that only managed to happen during the little time that FC was 'down'. And, well I think that kind of speaks for itself.

If that is true, and not just something people who want it are claiming, why is there hardly anyone doing FC right now?

Yes, people do have other options to level, like AFKing in RoR. Im not sure what that does for the game really, or how it helps anyone with skill and team dynamic issues - but then again, we dont see any big QQ threads over it either - which makes one wonder what the big deal about FC is even moar. *shrugs*

Oh wait! Hypers dont do nothing in there. Nao, I see. b:chuckle

SylenThunder - Sanctuary wrote: »

Was poking around, seems like there's a lot of new people posting so they can QQ about Anni, and then I remembered the last QQ thread where we were promised it would be looked into, and then has seemingly been forgotten since then.

Disable hypers in frost, yes, no or LV restricted?

It got closed for necro (which also disabled the ability to vote, unfortunately). Personally it's one of those threads that should still be open as the issue is still unresolved.

I mean, look at the results from having them disabled completely. Made the overall game much more enjoyable.

Oh yeah, I remember that thread. Shame it got closed before it could hit 1,000 votes. That's what the .ini petition got to before we were able to get it passed. But yes, I did see a lot more activity that week the hypers were disabled as well, was nice seeing people out in the world again. I still stick to my old vote of "level restrict FC" on that thread.

Euthymius - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Ah, I still remeber this...
Things were actually a lot more interesting while FF was down. Lots of lower leveled BH runs picked up again, and PV runs of many different ranges became more frequent. I even saw a lot more players questing around the 6x~7x areas too....
*sigh*
I'd love for FF/Hypers to be restricted to lv 75+, but if one of the best CMs we've had couldnt get it to happen, and with things being the way they are for so long, what are the odds of change...?

b:surrender

Asone - Raging Tide wrote: »

Oh yeah, I remember that thread. Shame it got closed before it could hit 1,000 votes. That's what the .ini petition got to before we were able to get it passed. But yes, I did see a lot more activity that week the hypers were disabled as well, was nice seeing people out in the world again. I still stick to my old vote of "level restrict FC" on that thread.

I agree with this 100%. I really see the FC problem as one of the bigger nails in the coffin for this portion of the game. Leveling did need to be sped up and things like PV, BH, Revamped Quests etc were the right way to go about it imo.

Krisnda wrote: »

Thanks for actually taking the time to bring this back up. There are many things that could have changed here, very simple fixes that you all (and the other mods and I) have been trying to push, but it's becoming somewhat tiring to keep having 50+ page discussions about certain topics (hundreds of topics, to be honest) and only a few get changed. (and that's after years of asking... )


HA! The funny thing is that I actually had to re-look at the thread to see that I was the one who made it. That is ironic.

Edit: Hey, I didn't close it! <

I'm also starting to feel this way about discussing FC. I feel like this is of vial importance of this game to solve, as it actively discourages older players from meeting the newer players. And then things like this happens: http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1626511 <---Only a lot of them do not ever come back. You simply cannot run a business that doesn't attract new customers and if they don't fix their new player problem this game really will be dead.

Brillance - Raging Tide wrote: »

I didnt almost contradict anything ---or--- nothing. I speak a southern dialect of American English. Its okay if you have no tolerance for cultures other than your own though. I dont mind --or--- care. b:chuckle

This a forum with international players, you're accent doesn't come through the written word. And in the written word, a double negative is a positive and will be interpreted as such by people who have no way of knowing your accent/culture. And that is all I shall say on this subject as I don't want to derail the thread with grammar ****'isms.