Disable hypers in frost, yes, no or LV restricted?

Whats the point getting into end game as fast as possible anyway without enjoying the lower lvl content?

Oh yeah, to buy gold and get end game gears....b:surrender

It would be nice not to have hyper babies anymore. I only found out about FC at about lvl 94, it didn't take me long to get to lvl 94, but still if i could do it old school anyone can. Its best to learn your class first before going to FC, the people who are the best players today are the ones who lvl'd old school though you do get your small population of hyper babies who actually can play. b:chuckle

I have done some thinking about the benefits of level restriction for FC hypering and realised that it might bring some valuable changes to the whole game culture.

Easy levelling brings no value to the character which implicates high level of crime, abuse and offensive behaviour even between high level characters.

It’s like pollution, the sooner we stop the more chances we have to succeed.
But less politics and let’s just all agree on one simple observation.

If you spent 2-3 years on your character, less likely you will do things that will get you blocked, shamed or banned than if you only spent 2-3 weeks. In the black list we have an option for screening players under certain level. I’m sure it’s there for a reason even though mine is set to (0)

I vote for level restriction in FC, but I would keep Oracles. It’s a pricy levelling and will do the same job as a hard levelling.

I just heard about this from my friend who still plays this game and we talk on FB quite often. I quitted PWI in 2011 because of power lvlers and because I wanted to lvl "normally" (with quests and BHs) but it was a pain to find party for these things because of power lvl. If they make hypers lvl restricted and stop (or at least slow) low lvl power lvling, I will definitely come back to play because this was one of my favourite MMOs and I miss the good old PWI from 2009. So... *fingers crossed*. c:

Why won't they just frigging restrict FCC already! b:infuriated It's quite obvious that the majority of players would love to see this game RETURN TO IT'S FORMER GLORY!! (Somewhat)


I hope you're seeing this Val, and I hope to Pangu that the devs are taking note of what these people want... b:angry

With the questmaster, **** tons of new dailies, and even a total quest revamp a while back...I say restrict it and restrict it harshly. Leveling has gotten A LOT easier without involving a single FCC into the mix. *Points to three level 70+ alts* 50-60 used to be the worst, and I barely broke a sweat on my latest jog through those levels. Just a few days really.

Not to mention these new Dreamchaser packs are making the early levels a lot easier to survive and breeze through. Not to mention that EVERYONE has had the opportunity to nab two free dreamchasers.

Descendus - Lost City wrote: »

Why won't they just frigging restrict FCC already! b:infuriated It's quite obvious that the majority of players would love to see this game RETURN TO IT'S FORMER GLORY!! (Somewhat)


I hope you're seeing this Val, and I hope to Pangu that the devs are taking note of what these people want... b:angry

*laughs* No, it should have been level-restricted a long time ago.
I feel that it was the right time to do it was when the first reports of glitch abuse were known.

Ah rule-breakers, the more you complain you are bored in game because you have reached lv 100+ entirely too fast (and probably spent a ton of cash in the process), the more I grin.

Besides, if the devs did take note and took the right decisions at every corner, this game would be one of the best around on the MMORPG market, as in indubitably stellar and still extremely popular/crowded. But you've got to face the facts... it did not end that way.

Toomaga - Heavens Tear wrote: »

The problem with this general arguement of hyper babies stated almost on a regular basis is there is absolutely no factual evidence to show who is a hyper baby or not right off the bat. I have run into players way before Pleveling became a craze and they were nubs, to this day they still play like a nub. Does this mean we should eliminate 'quest babies' toob:shutup?

In sum, levels mean nothing these days in this game.
Thanks for stating what I've been feeling about this game for years now.

I disagree with pretty much everything in this post.

prof wrote: »

Former glory, eh? You mean people actually want to come back to 2007/08 and farm frost gear? I'll go ahead and assume you've never done it. It's depreciated anyway.

It's "deprecated" (condemned or removed from effect), not "depreciated" (reduced in value).

This is a strawman. No one has advocated this, though you've not established the horror that would be involved if farming frost gear were to return.

prof wrote: »

As for this thread, I vote no. It would be unfair for any new players(though, I doubt there are any). Anyone who leveled with hypers and fc previous to this proposed "fix" would have a ridiculous advantage over anyone who didn't get a chance.

There's no "fairness" issue here. Most of us have had different opportunities, depending on when we started playing. Where is the fairness for those who leveled BEFORE hypering. It's a silly argument.

prof wrote: »

"Hyper Babies" - this is a silly nickname thought up by other inexperienced players.

That assertion is a dumb ad hominem with no basis in fact.

prof wrote: »

You learn nothing leveling in pve

This clearly identifies you as a pleveler. Of course you learn much in PvE. Those who skip it are the only ones who think otherwise. And how would they know?

But this points up a larger argument. Plevelers claim they know as much about playing their toons as do those who went through the experience of questing, playing and generally not being carried past the game. How could you POSSIBLY know that you know the things you've never experienced? You, of course, see your skill set as the ends of the universe. Those looking on from the outside, see the things you don't even know to look for. Those who have gone through the game, as it was intended, can recall specific things they learned from specific situations. How can someone who skipped through know what's out there?

prof wrote: »

... and all fresh level 100s lack experience. You cannot expect new people to know how to do things they've never done before. It is you people who cause the experience gap between newer and older players by never accepting them and teaching them the way it's meant to be done.

We DO teach players how things are done. We teach at level. Don't skip school and expect someone to give you all of the test answers at the end.

And, of course, no one is saying that brand new 100-level players should know all of the 100-level stuff. You knew that wasn't what we meant, didn't you? But they should know the things learned at level 75 and they should have improved themselves appropriately. A week ago, a level 98 BM asked me to help him do his 59 culti in the Valley of Disaster. [smh]

prof wrote: »

If you really want to re-balance this game, a new server would be required to do it. And by new, I mean an old server without all 09+ content.

Then everyone would simply race past to Nirvana, top out, get bored and quit. How will that help? Rebalancing isn't the issue. Stopping people from effectively starting the game at the high-end is the issue.

Kniraven - Lost City wrote: »

Will you guys please stop with the frost baby bullsht on both sides of this argument. The reasons they're ruining the game have nothing to do with player competence.

Players who are against pleveling and using this as an argument are just setting up a straw man for dipsh!ts to break down.

Go read some of my previous posts for the real reasons they should be removed.

It has everything to do with player incompetence and lack of understanding of procedure, protocol and propriety. Sorry you don't like this argument, not that this will make in difference in whether I argue it.

carlos2354 wrote: »

People should pay attention to GlenRoss. He actually knows what he's saying. Taking arguments in from both sides and effectively making it his own. Unlike others here who speak truly out of ignorance, twisting their words to make it sound smart. Not one of his post in this thread I read is dumb.
Kudos to you mista

I know! I love reading his posts in this thread. That much reason and rationality is so rare on the internets. b:dirty

Also, this is a necro.